Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 30 June 2022

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Biggest Ever BrahMos Deal? Indian Navy To Get 200 Extended Range Missiles Worth Rs 15,000 Crore
https://swarajyamag.com/defence/biggest ... 5000-crore
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Rakesh wrote:
Biggest Ever BrahMos Deal? Indian Navy To Get 200 Extended Range Missiles Worth Rs 15,000 Crore
https://swarajyamag.com/defence/biggest ... 5000-crore
13 March 2023
200 missiles - that puts it at $12.5M/missile.

I presume this includes a whole bunch of other equipment and not just missile.
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On the same subject, the ToI report by Rajat Pandit says,
A 800-km range variant of BrahMos has also undergone its maiden test
Most likely the January 2022 test.
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There was also some Twitter chatter about 800 Km Brahmos being tested already. Great news, if true.

Hope large #s of Pralay are also inducted. Much cheaper compared to Brahmos, longer range & larger payload. These 2 can serve as the key components of our conventional deterrence
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Total defense production in the country is about $10 billion. And someone's claimed half of that is for Brahmos.

Government sets target of achieving defence manufacturing worth Rs 1.75 lakh crore by 2024-25
https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 605266.cms
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VSHORADS: Man Portable Air Defence Missile Meant To Plug Gaps On LAC With China Tested
https://swarajyamag.com/defence/vshorad ... ina-tested
14 March 2023

VSHORADS tested twice. Its being compared to OSA-AK.

Is it fully man-portable, Stinger/Igla style or is it tripod or light vehicle mounted? Do we know the specs for this missile?
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Twin tests of very short-range air defence system 'successful'
BHUBANESWAR: India on Tuesday conducted twin successful trials of indigenously developed very short-range air defence system (VSHORADS) from a defence test facility off the Odisha coast paving its way for induction in the armed forces.

Designed and developed by DRDO, the man-portable air defence system was flight tested in quick succession from launching complex III of the Integrated Test Range (ITR).

Defence sources said the flight tests were carried out from a ground-based man-portable launcher against high-speed unmanned aerial targets, mimicking the enemy aircraft. The approaching and receding aircraft were successfully intercepted, meeting all mission objectives.

VSHORADS is meant for neutralising low-altitude aerial threats at short ranges. It has been designed and developed indigenously by Hyderabad-based Research Centre Imarat (RCI) in collaboration with other DRDO laboratories and Indian industry partners.

Having a strike range of up to six km, the missile weighs around 15 kg and is capable of effectively engaging aerial targets with low infrared signature. It comes with a lightweight man-portable launcher and boasts a highly proven success rate.

A defence scientist said the missile is a new generation integrated system with high precision and unbeatable range that uses unjammable features to deceive the enemy.

"The fully digital and heat-seeking missile can meet the requirements of all three wings of the armed forces. It can be easily transported and operated from the ground, vehicle, building or ship by one soldier," he said.

The missile incorporates many novel technologies, including dual-band imaging infra-red seeker, a miniaturised reaction control system and integrated avionics. The propulsion is provided by a dual-thrust solid motor.

Secretary of Department of Defence R&D and DRDO chairman Samir V Kamat said the two consecutive successful flight tests have proven the operational effectiveness of the missile system.

Defence Minister Rajnath Singh complemented DRDO and industry partners. He said the missile equipped with novel technologies will give further technological boost to the armed forces.

The missile was first test fired in September last year. It will be inducted into the armed forces after a few more developmental trials.
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This is amazing, good replacement for Igla and hopefully we can intergrate this on LCH /helicopter platforms, and we can also develop an IIR CCM for IAF aircraft and SAM,s like Python 5 Spyder system.
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In the video, we can see that the missile gets gas-ejected from the launch tube and subsequently the motor ignites at a safe distance. Acceleration is superb!

There was an infographic on Twitter from Oct 2022 that the missile was 20Kg in weight, 2m long & tripod mounted (see below). Perhaps 20 Kg could be for missile+launcher. Even so, its 5 Kg heavier than Igla or Stinger and also longer. So, its likely not shoulder fired.

Will be good to get validation of the actual specs of the missiles that were tested today

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... 1094048768 --->

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This missile is an excellent candidate for building a Desi Avenger type system. When it's mounted on a Tata 2.5 ton load vehicle. 8 Missiles ready to fire

Avenger Missile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TWQ-1_Avenger

Tata 4*4 LPTA 713

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Prem Kumar wrote:In the video, we can see that the missile gets gas-ejected from the launch tube and subsequently the motor ignites at a safe distance. Acceleration is superb!

There was an infographic on Twitter from Oct 2022 that the missile was 20Kg in weight, 2m long & tripod mounted (see below). Perhaps 20 Kg could be for missile+launcher. Even so, its 5 Kg heavier than Igla or Stinger and also longer. So, its likely not shoulder fired.

Will be good to get validation of the actual specs of the missiles that were tested today
Man portable tripod indicates something like the RBS-70 system. Expect it to be something that 1 soldier can operate but with the entire system carried by 2.

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1.5 mach is slow speed. Is that target speed maybe?
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Pratyush wrote:This missile is an excellent candidate for building a Desi Avenger type system. When it's mounted on a Tata 2.5 ton load vehicle. 8 Missiles ready to fire

Avenger Missile
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TWQ-1_Avenger

Tata 4*4 LPTA 713

https://www.tatamotors.com/product/defe ... s-lpta713/
Back when the Light Specialist Vehicle competition was in early stages, TATA had proposed an Igla carrier version of their LSV.
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https://www.pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetai ... ID=1907642

Reference to Long Range Stand-Off Weapon (LRSOW) to be designed and developed in India for fitment aboard SU-30 MKI. Wonder what this is? Is it the new name for Rudram-2 or 3?

AoNs for lots of indigenous systems, which is great news! Hope these translate into orders. But there definitely seems to be more sense of urgency now than before

But these, being AoNs, won't help the situation where the Armed Forces will likely return a huge chunk of unspent money by end of March. Hope to see more news in the coming days for actual orders
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I think its a new system.
The two you mentioned have names.
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Am wondering if LRSOW is in the Rampage class ?
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Tender for integrating Gaurav Precision Guided Glide bombs on the Su-30MKI has been issued.
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Prem Kumar wrote:The 2nd target of MRSAM was killed in a dive-mode, which makes me think that it was a high-altitude target (simulating an aircraft or an AShM in the High part of the trajectory).
Dive mode means, missile fired for target at 60 to 100 % of full range.
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nam wrote:Source: https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/16 ... 7790790656

Any one wants to postulate what is that bump around the seeker region on Astra? It is too small for an IR inlet.

Is it an inlet for air to cool the AESA seeker? I don't if there are more than 2 bumps, but if it is only 2, one could be inlet, another is the outlet.

The previous shown Astra never had any such bumps. This seems to be the new iteration and the fact that it is around the seeker, could only mean something new was added to the seeker area.

Publicly it is only known to change a traditional KU seeker to AESA.

Edit: Or potentially a way to inject coolant for liquid cooling? It doesn't make sense to provide such an obvious inlet for doing this, as the BVR could be opened up and coolant replaced.
Incoming air at high supersonic speed is extremely hot
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If LCA can have one big ASTRA in a single pylon. Can a SU carry at least 2 or 3 ASTRA in double or triple Compartamos'd in one pylon.
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Those bumps are conduit covers for cabling and we see the tubing run along.
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RoyG wrote:1.5 mach is slow speed. Is that target speed maybe?
MANPADs are mostly for countering Heli and CAS -- both of which are low and slow.

Also, it would appear that VSHORADS is trading max speed for increasing the range and the warhead size.

Igla-S
Range: 5.0 km
Ceiling: 3.5 km
Max speed: Mach 1.9
Warhead: 1.17 kg

VSHORADS
Range: 6.0 km
Ceiling: 3.5 km
Max speed: Mach 1.5
Warhead: 2 kg
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Indian firm, Data Patterns, develops BrahMos check equipment
https://www.ajaishukla.com/2023/03/indi ... elops.html
23 March 2023
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Avid wrote:
RoyG wrote:1.5 mach is slow speed. Is that target speed maybe?
MANPADs are mostly for countering Heli and CAS -- both of which are low and slow.

Also, it would appear that VSHORADS is trading max speed for increasing the range and the warhead size.

Igla-S
Range: 5.0 km
Ceiling: 3.5 km
Max speed: Mach 1.9
Warhead: 1.17 kg

VSHORADS
Range: 6.0 km
Ceiling: 3.5 km
Max speed: Mach 1.5
Warhead: 2 kg
More comparable would be Mistral in size and range. It has a higher speed and warhead. What was the point in the dual thrust? I don't see any advantages.
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RoyG wrote:
Avid wrote:
MANPADs are mostly for countering Heli and CAS -- both of which are low and slow.

Also, it would appear that VSHORADS is trading max speed for increasing the range and the warhead size.

Igla-S
Range: 5.0 km
Ceiling: 3.5 km
Max speed: Mach 1.9
Warhead: 1.17 kg

VSHORADS
Range: 6.0 km
Ceiling: 3.5 km
Max speed: Mach 1.5
Warhead: 2 kg
More comparable would be Mistral in size and range. It has a higher speed and warhead. What was the point in the dual thrust? I don't see any advantages.
Acceleration, not top speed = quick reaction against pop up threats
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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/3 ... 2023-03-25

Jaisalmar is near the border. Misfired missiles are surface to air. Something got hit may be..
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RajaRudra wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/3 ... 2023-03-25

Jaisalmar is near the border. Misfired missiles are surface to air. Something got hit may be..

As per Google Maps, it is 50 km form IB
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Reports said SA-6 missiles.
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Misfire happen.

I have seen a number of ATGMs misfire.

System malfunction could be for any number of reasons - production quality / end-of-life / SOPs not being followed.
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I assume personnel that handle desi missile are well trained because of frequent testing. Artillery and armour regiments must also practice live firing at their respective ranges.

How often are these legacy systems actually test fired, rather than just do simulated firing?

Obsolescence doesn't explain unintended firing. These missile regiments definitely have some issues, either with basic training, practice or discipline.
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Kersi wrote:
RajaRudra wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/3 ... 2023-03-25

Jaisalmar is near the border. Misfired missiles are surface to air. Something got hit may be..

As per Google Maps, it is 50 km form IB
Yes, may be pakis would have sent drone to watch over the exercise and got blown over. Thats what i thoight about this misfiring.
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RajaRudra wrote:https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/3 ... 2023-03-25

Jaisalmar is near the border. Misfired missiles are surface to air. Something got hit may be..
As usual Indian media's clickbait and misleading headline.
Worse still nobody on this August forum care to read the report before posting.

There was no misfire it was a technical glitch which can happen to any system.
T
he missiles of range between 10 to 25 kilometres were being test fired by experts in the Army but deviated from its path due to a technical fault.
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In other news, BDL successfully tested Amogha-III ATGM yesterday. Apparently the seeker is from Tonbo Imaging.

Not sure whether the IA is interested
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Prem Kumar wrote:In other news, BDL successfully tested Amogha-III ATGM yesterday. Apparently the seeker is from Tonbo Imaging.

Not sure whether the IA is interested
:lol:
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Prem Kumar wrote:In other news, BDL successfully tested Amogha-III ATGM yesterday. Apparently the seeker is from Tonbo Imaging.

Not sure whether the IA is interested
These are all vying for a Make 2 program under which IA intends to acquire a minimum of 2330 missiles and 100 launchers. The BDL Amogha - 3 will compete vs DRDO's MPATGM and VEM's AsiBal.
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Thanks. Is the Army looking for a truly man-portable version like Spike/Javelin or tripod and/or vehicle mounted ?
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Quite similar to Spike LR.
Missile weight and CLU weight, each max permissible, 15kg.
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Indian firm, Data Patterns, develops BrahMos check equipment
https://www.ajaishukla.com/2023/03/indi ... elops.html
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