Sir,
I do not care what the verdict is as long as justice is served. I am no great supporter of Ms. Gupta, only a proponent of objectivity.
Your comment regarding the media is true of course. Sunday Mid Day has a front page article on the lady in question and how her mother has traveled to be with her with various accusations flying thick and fast.
The entire article is very loaded against the AF and completely in line with Mid Day's (questionable) "journalistic tradition"
Thanks
Magazine and Media Watch/Review
Ya ure right. Mid Day is a tabloid and tabloids and sensationalization go hand in hand!Jaeger wrote:Sir,
I do not care what the verdict is as long as justice is served. I am no great supporter of Ms. Gupta, only a proponent of objectivity.
Your comment regarding the media is true of course. Sunday Mid Day has a front page article on the lady in question and how her mother has traveled to be with her with various accusations flying thick and fast.
The entire article is very loaded against the AF and completely in line with Mid Day's (questionable) "journalistic tradition"
Thanks
U.S. planning for the war it wishes for
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opin ... 51905.html
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opin ... 51905.html
However, as an article in Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine later revealed, the ground rules for the India exercise were designed to ensure a U.S. defeat.
U.S. jets were outnumbered by a 3-to-1 ratio. U.S. pilots were forbidden to use the long-range weaponry that in a real conflict would have given them superiority. Our F-15s were not equipped with up-to-date radar, were not equipped with modern missiles. U.S. pilots were confined to standard tactics, while their Indian counterparts were free to change at will.
The result was that rarest of things in warfare: Both sides won. The Indian air force now looks intimidating to its neighbors, and the Air Force has a sad, sad song to sing about its need for the F/A-22.
Last nail in ‘flying coffins’
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5922 ... 000000.htm
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5922 ... 000000.htm
Pilot error is the cause of 50 per cent of the IAF’s accidents, a bigger killer than technical defects. The committee has suggested changes in the training system.
Utter BullSh1t. The Indian radars were less powerful and capable than those in the F-15s to begin with. Both sides used equivalent AAMs. The US was free to change tactics. Their problem that they couldnt come up with any sufficient to change the result.sbangera wrote:U.S. planning for the war it wishes for
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opin ... 51905.html
However, as an article in Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine later revealed, the ground rules for the India exercise were designed to ensure a U.S. defeat.
U.S. jets were outnumbered by a 3-to-1 ratio. U.S. pilots were forbidden to use the long-range weaponry that in a real conflict would have given them superiority. Our F-15s were not equipped with up-to-date radar, were not equipped with modern missiles. U.S. pilots were confined to standard tactics, while their Indian counterparts were free to change at will.
The result was that rarest of things in warfare: Both sides won. The Indian air force now looks intimidating to its neighbors, and the Air Force has a sad, sad song to sing about its need for the F/A-22.
The numbers? The 3:1 includes the strike aircraft. Both sides exchanged roles, with F15s playing protector and agressor. They still lost.
The AWST article has substantial spin in it to take off some of the "H&d" issues faced by the Alaskan F-15s once the trouncing became public.
Which is why the IAF has Low Level transportable radars from Thales on order.sbangera wrote:Pak violated Indian air space thrice in 2005
http://in.rediff.com/news/2005/may/12jet.htm
As regards intrusion, lets be honest- Janes in the past had a hilarious interview with the PAF ACM at IDEAS 2004, wherein he admits Indian UAVs are snooping all over Pak and he is practically powerless to stop them.
The Searcher shoot down tomtommed by the PAF sent titters through the IAF, it had practically reached the outskirts of Lahore!
The older FLs/ MFs are being phased out. The IAF has substantial simulators on order for all fighters. The Hawks have been ordered and a HAL AJT is on order. In essence, this problem has been dealt with. Furthermore, IAF pilots fly among the "highest number of actual hours" vis a vis any AF worldwide as noted by none other than CAS rtd Krishnaswami.sbangera wrote:Last nail in ‘flying coffins’
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/5922 ... 000000.htm
Pilot error is the cause of 50 per cent of the IAF’s accidents, a bigger killer than technical defects. The committee has suggested changes in the training system.
Heres the relevant quote (paintive whine) from the Paki side regarding Indian UAVs.
Pakistan looks to USA to fill UAV gap, JDW, 2002
Gen Khan added: "I think the West should be forthcoming in providing us with
that [UAV] capability because if nothing else it will help in preventing a
war." He argued that "most wars have taken place due to miscalculations" but
Pakistani forces "have not been able to judge [India's] intentions",
particularly those involving troop concentrations along the common border.
Gen Khan also complained that India "has a number of UAVs, I think it is
30-40, maybe more, and these are at the moment flying over our area".
Bloody beggars!
Pakistan looks to USA to fill UAV gap, JDW, 2002
Gen Khan added: "I think the West should be forthcoming in providing us with
that [UAV] capability because if nothing else it will help in preventing a
war." He argued that "most wars have taken place due to miscalculations" but
Pakistani forces "have not been able to judge [India's] intentions",
particularly those involving troop concentrations along the common border.
Gen Khan also complained that India "has a number of UAVs, I think it is
30-40, maybe more, and these are at the moment flying over our area".
Bloody beggars!
Interesting reading to links of articles from FORCE magazine
http://www.portalpcs.com/intel/viewtopic.php?t=1327
http://www.portalpcs.com/intel/viewtopic.php?t=1328
http://www.portalpcs.com/intel/viewtopic.php?t=1329
Includes an article on the SUkhoi-30MKI, an interview with the Army and Air Chiefs and a profile of the BSF Asst Cmdt Jiwan kumar who was killed recently by the BDR
http://www.portalpcs.com/intel/viewtopic.php?t=1327
http://www.portalpcs.com/intel/viewtopic.php?t=1328
http://www.portalpcs.com/intel/viewtopic.php?t=1329
Includes an article on the SUkhoi-30MKI, an interview with the Army and Air Chiefs and a profile of the BSF Asst Cmdt Jiwan kumar who was killed recently by the BDR
FWIW. Lead edit in the HTimes (subscripton):
http://hindustantimes.com/news/623_0,0012.htmNo defence
P RIME MINISTER Manmohan Singh's call to the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) to "redefine its approaches and restructure its capabilities" is long overdue. The country has showered a great deal of respect and money on the organisation since the mid-Eighties, but it has got back precious little to show for it.
Uncritical and downright wrongheaded media coverage leads to the DRDO getting credit for even missiles like the workhorse surface-to-air missile Trishul and Akash and the Nag anti-tank missile, which were to have entered service in 1993-94, and have not. In an era in which unmanned aerial aircraft play such a key role, all that the DRDO has to boast about is the Lakshya, a minor aerial vehicle used simply as a target for air-to-air missiles. The Nishant UAV is being kept alive through artificial life-support, as is the Arjun MBT.
The Pakistani missile arsenal, leaving aside the matter of how it was acquired, is at least a decade ahead of Prithvi and Agni. Hubris and the DRDO's own bureaucratised culture are to blame for this state of affairs, as well as its penchant for needless publicity and reinventing the wheel.
But don't blame the DRDO alone for this state of affairs. The user services, with the exception of the Indian Navy, have a huge, and for the country costly, inferiority complex when it comes to using Indian-designed equipment. Take the LCA, a great achievement for which the country has laid down Rs 5,000 crore investment so far. The IAF makes a show of being interested, but its equipment plans are aimed at strangling the programme.
The government must knock a few heads in the armed forces and get them to work with some sincerity with the DRDO to bring indigenously designed equipment into service. Our strategic defence is now based on nuclear weapons, and tensions with Pakistan and China have eased so there is a bit of a cushion. Equipment plans for the air force and the army based on imported systems should be delayed and even scrapped, to give indigenous programmes the needed impetus. Only by taking a tough stand on such issues will the country be able to get a return on the massive investments it has made on defence research.
JCage wrote:Utter BullSh1t. The Indian radars were less powerful and capable than those in the F-15s to begin with. Both sides used equivalent AAMs. The US was free to change tactics. Their problem that they couldnt come up with any sufficient to change the result.sbangera wrote:U.S. planning for the war it wishes for
http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opin ... 51905.html
The numbers? The 3:1 includes the strike aircraft. Both sides exchanged roles, with F15s playing protector and agressor. They still lost.
The AWST article has substantial spin in it to take off some of the "H&d" issues faced by the Alaskan F-15s once the trouncing became public.
I won't be surprised if this crap gets proliferated into the next mainstream aviation mag and every jealous illiterate starts to believe it.
My uncle's father's cousin's brother's mother's aunt's sister's 5th cousin also revealed that the radars in IAF jets were removed and that the IAF battled the USAF using only guns and IRST. In addition, the USAF had an invisible AWACS directing their F-15s which were simulating AIM-54 Phoenix and APG-77 radars.
What a pathetic bunch of shameless losers.
The Pakistani missile arsenal, leaving aside the matter of how it was acquired, is at least a decade ahead of Prithvi and Agni.
Bwahahaha Hindustan Times shows how DDM *it* is..after pompously declaring.."Uncritical and downright wrongheaded media coverage"...
What an absolutely dumb statement!
Do these gents even know the technological difference between India's missile program and the hobbled together Paki one?
The quality and design of each and every component in our missiles, from the INS to the OBC, to the propulsion...
Its hardly a coincidence that while our journalists are experts on everything, from sociology to technology...the awaam in DRDO and ISRO, having clawed their way up via RECs, IITs etc..need pointers on technology from Binori Madrassa and a starving dictatorship led by a lunatic Kim Jong Il.
Do these gents even know the ancillary industries, the depth of industrial expertise that goes into an Agni vis a vis a join everything together, hope it shooots kind of crap the Pakis have purchased?
They make these kinds of popmpous, absolute statements and wonder why their "learned editorials" are not taken seriously by anyone, either in GOI or DRDO.
The rest of the article is quite reasonable. But by making these absurd statements in the beginning, they tarnish any hope of having their words taken seriously!
Times of India could not choose a better title ,could they ?
Britspeak crashes flying Indians' pride
Britspeak crashes flying Indians' pride
This breaking news is from UNI.
"Red Alert" at Kochi international airport from "intelligence reports" about a threat from the LTTE.CISF officials at the airport said that checking was intensified and visitors banned from entering the airport.
This alert comes very soon after revelations about the LTTE's "air force" and the threat to India and Sri Lanka from it.The LTTE's airstrip is also supposedly large enough to handle hijacked aircraft.It is worth noting that Sri Lankan Airways has regular flights to Kochi.Our Foreign Minister,Mr.Natwar Singh expressed India's concern at the latest developments not too long ago and anticipated even more light aircraft being acquired by the LTTE.The statement by the Norwegian "peace" monitors that they would flee the scene if the LTTE's air wing is put out of action by either India or Sri Lanka,indicates that some serious action may be on the cards,either individually or jointly by India and SL.The LTTE's massive rearmament- it now possesses a "navy" and an "air force",has been undertaken right under the noses of the Nowegians,who have been accused by Sri Lanka and India of turning a blind eye to the LTTE's ceasefire violations of child recruitment,arms smuggling and the setting up of new bases at strategic places in the north and east including Trincomalee.Norwegian complicity hs made it possible for the LTTE to acquire these arms throuh the Norwegian tactic of regular threats to quit as "peace" interlocutors,brining the ceasefire to an end.
It is now inevitable that another round of war between the LTTE and the SL govt. looms,possibly bringing India into conflcit with the LTTE yet again.
"Red Alert" at Kochi international airport from "intelligence reports" about a threat from the LTTE.CISF officials at the airport said that checking was intensified and visitors banned from entering the airport.
This alert comes very soon after revelations about the LTTE's "air force" and the threat to India and Sri Lanka from it.The LTTE's airstrip is also supposedly large enough to handle hijacked aircraft.It is worth noting that Sri Lankan Airways has regular flights to Kochi.Our Foreign Minister,Mr.Natwar Singh expressed India's concern at the latest developments not too long ago and anticipated even more light aircraft being acquired by the LTTE.The statement by the Norwegian "peace" monitors that they would flee the scene if the LTTE's air wing is put out of action by either India or Sri Lanka,indicates that some serious action may be on the cards,either individually or jointly by India and SL.The LTTE's massive rearmament- it now possesses a "navy" and an "air force",has been undertaken right under the noses of the Nowegians,who have been accused by Sri Lanka and India of turning a blind eye to the LTTE's ceasefire violations of child recruitment,arms smuggling and the setting up of new bases at strategic places in the north and east including Trincomalee.Norwegian complicity hs made it possible for the LTTE to acquire these arms throuh the Norwegian tactic of regular threats to quit as "peace" interlocutors,brining the ceasefire to an end.
It is now inevitable that another round of war between the LTTE and the SL govt. looms,possibly bringing India into conflcit with the LTTE yet again.
From Tribune India
War plans sale: defence experts demand probe
Vijay Mohan
Tribune News Service
Chandigarh, May 31
Even as the Defence Ministry and the Army today launched an inquiry to look into Gohar Ayub Khan’s allegations that an Indian brigadier had sold the Army’s 1965 war plans, the defence community is raising two prominent questions. The first being why are the allegations coming so late and the second is, given the nature of allegations coupled with incorrect facts, whether it is it a deliberate attempt by the Pakistani establishment to create mischief.
Defence experts, nonetheless, called for a thorough probe without any prejudice to ascertain facts and present the correct picture of what may have then transpired or absolve the Army of any blame. The repercussions of the allegations, if true, would have to be viewed with grave concern.
Gohar Ayub Khan, whose father Field Marshal Ayub Khan was the Pakistani dictator during the 1965 Indo-Pak war, had yesterday alleged that an Indian brigadier, who rose to a senior position, had sold war plans for Rs 20,000 to fund his wife’s hobby of canning fruits and vegetables.
Senior officers discount the Pakistani industrialist-turned-politician’s claims on the grounds that there had been no Indian “Grand Plan” which could have been leaked. Also, to be noted is the success with which Indian formations were able to cut across the International Border (IB) and Pakistan’s inability to achieve tactical or strategic gains during the conflict. Officers have also termed it as a publicity stunt for his forthcoming autobiography and are unwilling to lend credence to the theory that a brigadier would take the risk for the “petty” reasons cited.
The most glaring inconsistency in Gohar’s statement is that Pakistani forces ran into trouble while crossing the Beas. Beas is about 50 km from the IB and though Pakistani plans envisioned crossing it, they reached nowhere near it. “Pakistani forces could not proceed beyond Khem Kharan, where their armoured division was decimated by Indian formations,” Major-Gen Rajendra Nath (retd), a military historian said.
In fact, the only place along the entire western frontier where they made an initial gain was in the Chhamb Sector where they had themselves planned an offensive, and had moved their armoured division well in advance he added.
Pakistan’s 1 Armoured Division and the 11 Division had launched an attack in this sector, but were checked by the 4th Infantry Division, which had taken up defensive positions after falling back. Indian Army’s 7th and 15th Infantry Division, which were part of 11 Corps, were tasked to advance up to the Ichhogil Canal, Pakistan main defence line. “These divisions reached their objectives and some units were even able to go beyond,” General Rajendra Nath said. “Had Pakistan known about Indian plans, this may not have been the case,” he added.
Terming the whole thing to be unlikely, Col Bimal Bhatia, a retired Military Intelligence officer, said he was of the opinion that if the allegations turned out to be true, the question was that of repercussions on Indian security later on. “If true, the establishment would have to determine how the alleged mole could have been used for other purposes,” he said.
Colonel Bhatia, like several other officers, did not discount the possibility of the allegations being a mischievous ploy to demoralise the other side. “This is a known game played by intelligence agencies,” he said. “Such things become the topic of discussions, which create doubts about security and integrity,” he added.
In fact, an intelligence source said a brigadier who had held the post of Director, Military Intelligence, in the 60s and had subsequently moved up the ladder, had travelled to the United Kingdom in 1967 and was known to have relatives there. An intelligence officer said that this particular piece of information, was perhaps being used by Pakistan to lend authenticity to its claims, as was often done by world’s two biggest intelligence agencies during the cold War.
According to Mandeep Bajwa, a city-based defence analyst, Gohar’s earlier statements and sentiments have given him a very low credibility. “He is known to have strong anti-India feelings. He never forgave India for denying victory to Pakistan, which led to the downfall of his father,” he said. “Gohar was then establishing himself as an industrialist and his father’s defeat resulted in heavy financial loss and lowering of prestige, which is why he throws up such allegations,” he added.
War plans sale: defence experts demand probe
Vijay Mohan
Tribune News Service
Chandigarh, May 31
Even as the Defence Ministry and the Army today launched an inquiry to look into Gohar Ayub Khan’s allegations that an Indian brigadier had sold the Army’s 1965 war plans, the defence community is raising two prominent questions. The first being why are the allegations coming so late and the second is, given the nature of allegations coupled with incorrect facts, whether it is it a deliberate attempt by the Pakistani establishment to create mischief.
Defence experts, nonetheless, called for a thorough probe without any prejudice to ascertain facts and present the correct picture of what may have then transpired or absolve the Army of any blame. The repercussions of the allegations, if true, would have to be viewed with grave concern.
Gohar Ayub Khan, whose father Field Marshal Ayub Khan was the Pakistani dictator during the 1965 Indo-Pak war, had yesterday alleged that an Indian brigadier, who rose to a senior position, had sold war plans for Rs 20,000 to fund his wife’s hobby of canning fruits and vegetables.
Senior officers discount the Pakistani industrialist-turned-politician’s claims on the grounds that there had been no Indian “Grand Plan” which could have been leaked. Also, to be noted is the success with which Indian formations were able to cut across the International Border (IB) and Pakistan’s inability to achieve tactical or strategic gains during the conflict. Officers have also termed it as a publicity stunt for his forthcoming autobiography and are unwilling to lend credence to the theory that a brigadier would take the risk for the “petty” reasons cited.
The most glaring inconsistency in Gohar’s statement is that Pakistani forces ran into trouble while crossing the Beas. Beas is about 50 km from the IB and though Pakistani plans envisioned crossing it, they reached nowhere near it. “Pakistani forces could not proceed beyond Khem Kharan, where their armoured division was decimated by Indian formations,” Major-Gen Rajendra Nath (retd), a military historian said.
In fact, the only place along the entire western frontier where they made an initial gain was in the Chhamb Sector where they had themselves planned an offensive, and had moved their armoured division well in advance he added.
Pakistan’s 1 Armoured Division and the 11 Division had launched an attack in this sector, but were checked by the 4th Infantry Division, which had taken up defensive positions after falling back. Indian Army’s 7th and 15th Infantry Division, which were part of 11 Corps, were tasked to advance up to the Ichhogil Canal, Pakistan main defence line. “These divisions reached their objectives and some units were even able to go beyond,” General Rajendra Nath said. “Had Pakistan known about Indian plans, this may not have been the case,” he added.
Terming the whole thing to be unlikely, Col Bimal Bhatia, a retired Military Intelligence officer, said he was of the opinion that if the allegations turned out to be true, the question was that of repercussions on Indian security later on. “If true, the establishment would have to determine how the alleged mole could have been used for other purposes,” he said.
Colonel Bhatia, like several other officers, did not discount the possibility of the allegations being a mischievous ploy to demoralise the other side. “This is a known game played by intelligence agencies,” he said. “Such things become the topic of discussions, which create doubts about security and integrity,” he added.
In fact, an intelligence source said a brigadier who had held the post of Director, Military Intelligence, in the 60s and had subsequently moved up the ladder, had travelled to the United Kingdom in 1967 and was known to have relatives there. An intelligence officer said that this particular piece of information, was perhaps being used by Pakistan to lend authenticity to its claims, as was often done by world’s two biggest intelligence agencies during the cold War.
According to Mandeep Bajwa, a city-based defence analyst, Gohar’s earlier statements and sentiments have given him a very low credibility. “He is known to have strong anti-India feelings. He never forgave India for denying victory to Pakistan, which led to the downfall of his father,” he said. “Gohar was then establishing himself as an industrialist and his father’s defeat resulted in heavy financial loss and lowering of prestige, which is why he throws up such allegations,” he added.
Surprise, Surprisehttp://www.iht.com/getina/files/251670.html
You mean to say the same article where he was offering up pices of India, like a cheap fire-sale...Aditya G wrote:Ajai Shukla of NDTV has joined Indian Express. Read a very good piece on Siachen written by him.
"Can the empty spaces of Siachen provide a model of cooperation and co-ownership that could later be applied to the Kashmir valley? A tantalising thought!"
Interesting thought, though this same gent has not offered any such sharing plan for Pakistani land...
Got the latest issue of Vayu.
Definitely one of the better issues and it is certainly a keeper in my view. I have not read it in detail, but on first scan the Highlights:
-A painting of the Hawk in IAF colors presented by the RAF (Good one)
-A 2-page article on the Mi-24 Upgrade Program - by Himanshu Chauhan/BR (Congrats Himanshu!)
-A fantastic article on Operation Cactus, the mission to maldives by Gp Capt Anant Bewoor.
Definitely one of the better issues and it is certainly a keeper in my view. I have not read it in detail, but on first scan the Highlights:
-A painting of the Hawk in IAF colors presented by the RAF (Good one)
-A 2-page article on the Mi-24 Upgrade Program - by Himanshu Chauhan/BR (Congrats Himanshu!)
-A fantastic article on Operation Cactus, the mission to maldives by Gp Capt Anant Bewoor.
Paging Arun S. You may want to take action against FORCE/PSG for stealing your Dhruv pic,
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45179
Hes also extensively ripped off ACIG. JCage, you may also want to do the same.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=45179
Hes also extensively ripped off ACIG. JCage, you may also want to do the same.
A year or so ago "Autocar" magazine ran a "road test" review of the Arjun with lots of interesting facts.
They have done it again. the have done a piece on the ALH Dhruv and it is super.
Now to think of a way of getting you all a copy of autocar so you can all read it for yourselves . .
They have done it again. the have done a piece on the ALH Dhruv and it is super.
Now to think of a way of getting you all a copy of autocar so you can all read it for yourselves . .
Last edited by shiv on 14 Sep 2005 21:37, edited 1 time in total.
Well..Manne wrote:Saar,
No "Autocar" in abroad onlee. What to do...
Cross post from the misc pictures thread
Kakarat wrote:posted by George J in Key Publishing Ltd Aviation ForumsSome dude/dudette in India was kind enough to PDF the AutoCar India Dhruv Story. Here is a link to it: http://rapidshare.de/files/5169681/autocar-alh.pdf.html
I got BBC to change the Pakistani fart about highest rescue in the world.
They changed the Puki hype. Most significantly
"It is believed to be the first time such a rescue has been carried out successfully at such a high altitude." was changed to
"It is believed to be one of the few successful rescues carried out at such a high altitude."
See email transcript below:
From: NewsOnline <newsonline@bbc.co.uk> Mailed-By: bbc.co.uk
To: axxx.sxxxx@xxxx.com
Date: Aug 15, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]
Dear Mr Arun S,
Thank you for your comment. I will cross-check and make the necessary corrections.
Best wishes
Sanjoy Majumder
-----Original Message-----
From: To: axxx.sxxxx@xxxx.com
Sent: 10 August 2005 08:14
To: NewsOnline Errors
Subject: Feedback [NewsWatch]
COMMENTS: Refer to an error in your article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4137160.stm
Your following statement is un-informed:
"It is believed to be the first time such a rescue has been carried out successfully at such a high altitude."
Please be advised that the Indian Air Force currently has the world record on high altitude rescue. Rescuing 3 injured IAF climbers from an altitude of 23240 ft. A feat for which the pilot was awarded a "Peace Time Gallantry Awards" by the IAF and a World Aviation body in 2004 recognized the pilot for the most significant feat.
Reference: http://www.protonriver.com/library/air/alloute.php
Quote: An IAF Cheetah helicopter created a new world record by landing at 23240 ft on the Kamet glacier in Garhwal Himalayas in a dramatic rescue of three critically injured climbers. These missions were flown on 11 th , 12 th and 13 th May 2004 in severe turbulent conditions and in the face of jet speed winds. It was the first time that Cheetah helicopters had landed at such altitudes on snow covered mountain slopes and both the pilots had to unmask their oxygen cylinders to carry out the operation.
End of QUOTE
also see:
http://www.mounteverest.net/story/Where ... 2005.shtml
Quote: Also in 2004, in rescue missions on May 11, 12 and 13 an IAF Cheetah helicopter landed at an altitude of 23,240 feet on the Kamet
glacier in the Garhwal Himalayas to rescue three critically injured climbers. Wing Commander S K Sharma and his co-pilot Flt Lt A B Dhanake managed to successfully take off from the glacier with an increased pay-load of 70 kg. Sharma and Dhanake flew the rescue missions on May 11, 12 and 13 in severe turbulent conditions and in the face of jet speed winds. (End of QUOTE)
I can attest to the above from my brother who was commanding a nearby helicoptor unit in Kashmir during the time. This feat was widely reported in press in India and abroad.
Further please see
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=259139
and
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/phpBB2/vi ... hp?p=72741
BTW my brother pre-surveyed the site for this landing that was to become a world record. I had the privilage to meet the pilot in Feb 05 during the Aero-India 2005 show in Bangalore.
Please edit your report accordingly.
Thanks & Best regards
-Arun Sxxxxx
Ph:+xxxxxx
They changed the Puki hype. Most significantly
"It is believed to be the first time such a rescue has been carried out successfully at such a high altitude." was changed to
"It is believed to be one of the few successful rescues carried out at such a high altitude."
See email transcript below:
From: NewsOnline <newsonline@bbc.co.uk> Mailed-By: bbc.co.uk
To: axxx.sxxxx@xxxx.com
Date: Aug 15, 2005 7:35 AM
Subject: RE: Feedback [NewsWatch]
Dear Mr Arun S,
Thank you for your comment. I will cross-check and make the necessary corrections.
Best wishes
Sanjoy Majumder
-----Original Message-----
From: To: axxx.sxxxx@xxxx.com
Sent: 10 August 2005 08:14
To: NewsOnline Errors
Subject: Feedback [NewsWatch]
COMMENTS: Refer to an error in your article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4137160.stm
Your following statement is un-informed:
"It is believed to be the first time such a rescue has been carried out successfully at such a high altitude."
Please be advised that the Indian Air Force currently has the world record on high altitude rescue. Rescuing 3 injured IAF climbers from an altitude of 23240 ft. A feat for which the pilot was awarded a "Peace Time Gallantry Awards" by the IAF and a World Aviation body in 2004 recognized the pilot for the most significant feat.
Reference: http://www.protonriver.com/library/air/alloute.php
Quote: An IAF Cheetah helicopter created a new world record by landing at 23240 ft on the Kamet glacier in Garhwal Himalayas in a dramatic rescue of three critically injured climbers. These missions were flown on 11 th , 12 th and 13 th May 2004 in severe turbulent conditions and in the face of jet speed winds. It was the first time that Cheetah helicopters had landed at such altitudes on snow covered mountain slopes and both the pilots had to unmask their oxygen cylinders to carry out the operation.
End of QUOTE
also see:
http://www.mounteverest.net/story/Where ... 2005.shtml
Quote: Also in 2004, in rescue missions on May 11, 12 and 13 an IAF Cheetah helicopter landed at an altitude of 23,240 feet on the Kamet
glacier in the Garhwal Himalayas to rescue three critically injured climbers. Wing Commander S K Sharma and his co-pilot Flt Lt A B Dhanake managed to successfully take off from the glacier with an increased pay-load of 70 kg. Sharma and Dhanake flew the rescue missions on May 11, 12 and 13 in severe turbulent conditions and in the face of jet speed winds. (End of QUOTE)
I can attest to the above from my brother who was commanding a nearby helicoptor unit in Kashmir during the time. This feat was widely reported in press in India and abroad.
Further please see
http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=259139
and
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/phpBB2/vi ... hp?p=72741
BTW my brother pre-surveyed the site for this landing that was to become a world record. I had the privilage to meet the pilot in Feb 05 during the Aero-India 2005 show in Bangalore.
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From Jane's Intelligence Review
October 2005 Issue
Article on Cruise Missile Technology Proliferation
Amongst the usual yada, yada, yada, it identifies I quote, " the
'usual suspects' - China, Iran, North Korea and TSP " as " starting
to exchange cruise missile engineering in the same way that
ballistic missile capability was shared in precious decades". I am
quite sure this is news to all of us!
On references to Brahmos, the article says that the missiles
"significance lies in its very high speed and intelligent behaviour ".
It further more states, I quote, " each missile has been designed
to operate as part of a salvoed attack, with a datalink net between
the inflight missiles updating them on target co-ordinated plus the
status of the other weapons in the attack ".
The article also states I quote " Western Intelligence agencies
believe it may also have a low-probability of intercept (LIP)
'stealthy' radar option available to it, adding to its chances of
reaching the target ".
NPO Mash. The Russian CO-manufacturer, is said also to be
working on a version with a new multi-spectral seeker for terminal
guidance for a fully fledged land-attack variant. The article does
not believe that the range of 300km as stipulated by the MTCR is a
complete measure of this missile's absolute capability vis-à-vis
range.
P.S. The article confirms what we already know Hong
Niao=Baburi, of TSP and also alleges that South Africa has sold
from its Danel family both Raptor and MUPSOW systems to TSP
October 2005 Issue
Article on Cruise Missile Technology Proliferation
Amongst the usual yada, yada, yada, it identifies I quote, " the
'usual suspects' - China, Iran, North Korea and TSP " as " starting
to exchange cruise missile engineering in the same way that
ballistic missile capability was shared in precious decades". I am
quite sure this is news to all of us!
On references to Brahmos, the article says that the missiles
"significance lies in its very high speed and intelligent behaviour ".
It further more states, I quote, " each missile has been designed
to operate as part of a salvoed attack, with a datalink net between
the inflight missiles updating them on target co-ordinated plus the
status of the other weapons in the attack ".
The article also states I quote " Western Intelligence agencies
believe it may also have a low-probability of intercept (LIP)
'stealthy' radar option available to it, adding to its chances of
reaching the target ".
NPO Mash. The Russian CO-manufacturer, is said also to be
working on a version with a new multi-spectral seeker for terminal
guidance for a fully fledged land-attack variant. The article does
not believe that the range of 300km as stipulated by the MTCR is a
complete measure of this missile's absolute capability vis-à-vis
range.
P.S. The article confirms what we already know Hong
Niao=Baburi, of TSP and also alleges that South Africa has sold
from its Danel family both Raptor and MUPSOW systems to TSP
I got the latest issue of Vayu Aerospace Review today. Its a good issue - a brief synopsis of articles are as follows:
Darin II Jaguars : Coverage of the Darin II handing over ceremony to the IAF with some details of HAL's current ops and achievements.
IAF at 73 : Article on the IAF force and Air Defence capabilities. latter article by Dr SBM.
Its for the History buff that this issue is catered for. They carry a series of articles on the 40th anniversary of the 65 Air War. They include
Tank Busting : An article on the initial days of ops by Air Marshal Trilochan Singh.
Pathankot Strike : first person account of the raid by Air Commodore Sajjad Haider of PAF
Nur Khan : The PAF CAS' recent revelation that the 65 War was entirely Pakistans fault
Chalees Saal Baad : [Shameless Plug] A review of the India-Pakistan Air War of 1965 by U-know-who-already.
Vultee Vengeance in the IAF : An article on the Vultee Vengeance in the IAF in WW2, with some good photographs - including a rare photo of the first crest of the No.8 Squadron.
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Darin II Jaguars : Coverage of the Darin II handing over ceremony to the IAF with some details of HAL's current ops and achievements.
IAF at 73 : Article on the IAF force and Air Defence capabilities. latter article by Dr SBM.
Its for the History buff that this issue is catered for. They carry a series of articles on the 40th anniversary of the 65 Air War. They include
Tank Busting : An article on the initial days of ops by Air Marshal Trilochan Singh.
Pathankot Strike : first person account of the raid by Air Commodore Sajjad Haider of PAF
Nur Khan : The PAF CAS' recent revelation that the 65 War was entirely Pakistans fault
Chalees Saal Baad : [Shameless Plug] A review of the India-Pakistan Air War of 1965 by U-know-who-already.
Vultee Vengeance in the IAF : An article on the Vultee Vengeance in the IAF in WW2, with some good photographs - including a rare photo of the first crest of the No.8 Squadron.
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