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Postby srirangan » 13 Jun 2005 21:03

The Paris Air Show (Salon International de l'Aéronautique et de l'Espace, Paris-Le Bourget) is an international trade fair for the aerospace business. It is held at Le Bourget airport near

Paris, France every odd year, alternating with the Farnborough International Exhibition and Flying Display. The next show will be held 13th June–19th June 2005.

The Paris Air Show is a commercial air show, organised by the French aerospace industry's body the Groupement des Industries Françaises Aéronautiques et Spatiales (GIFAS) whose

main purpose is to demonstrate military and civilian aircraft to potential customers. It is one of the most prestigious in the world.

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Paris Air Show, 2005 - Exclusive Photographs, Coverage

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Postby MN Kumar » 13 Jun 2005 23:06

The official website for the airshow:

http://www.paris-air-show.com/

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Postby Arun_J » 14 Jun 2005 20:14

Why is HAL putting IJT on display at Paris-show? Dhruv has been in production for some time now and there is an export potential, but IJT will probably not have its operational clearance before 2007. And is there an export potential for IJT? Don't we have to replace our ageing Surya Kirans first?

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Postby George J » 14 Jun 2005 21:16

Arun_J wrote:Why is HAL putting IJT on display at Paris-show? Dhruv has been in production for some time now and there is an export potential, but IJT will probably not have its operational clearance before 2007. And is there an export potential for IJT? Don't we have to replace our ageing Surya Kirans first?


To create buzz, give it exposure, increase awareness, gain familiarity with the market, understand market needs, __________ (insert your favorite marketing creedo here)

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Postby Arun_J » 14 Jun 2005 21:38

To create buzz, give it exposure, increase awareness, gain familiarity with the market, understand market needs, __________ (insert your favorite marketing creedo here)


Then why not go all the way and display Tejas and Saras as well. IJT does not even have an official name yet. I don't why some people started calling it Sitara, but its not official. Is it?

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Postby JTull » 14 Jun 2005 21:53

Dhruv and IJT are HAL products, and consequently marketable commodities.

Saras/Tejas are being developed by research institutes, who have no comprehension about marketing. As soon as LCA enters production, I bet HAL will be showing it off world over.

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Postby Vick » 14 Jun 2005 21:58

It's funny that some people complain that Indian products don't get enough exposure while others complain that they are getting too much too soon.

I guess the moral of the story is that people love to b!tch.

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Postby enaiel » 14 Jun 2005 22:06

The same reason that M311, M346, Mig-AT, Yak-130, T-50 and Javelin are on display - because the jet trainer market is very hot right now! A lot of airforces have recently purchased modern fighters and are looking for modern trainers. We should be thankful that HAL is actually trying to market it's products! I'm more concerned that the switch to AL-55 will delay the otherwise fast tracked IJT development program. Anyone knows when the IJT is due for it's flying display?

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Postby Arun_J » 14 Jun 2005 22:11

Vick wrote:It's funny that some people complain that Indian products don't get enough exposure while others complain that they are getting too much too soon.

I guess the moral of the story is that people love to b!tch.


No arguments here - people do love to bitch. But my questions were hardly negative. Just trying to understand HALs strategy at the Paris show.

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Postby George J » 14 Jun 2005 22:26

Arun_J wrote:Then why not go all the way and display Tejas and Saras as well. IJT does not even have an official name yet. I don't why some people started calling it Sitara, but its not official. Is it?


Being a limited liability entity whose major shareholder is the GOI (hence PSU)...HAL needs to increase its visibility with its products IJT and ALH. ADA and NAL are essentially government owned research companies. Similarly ISRO is a govt owned R&D outfit of the DoS of the GOI, its marketing arm is Antrix (which is a PSU).

HAL the PSU has developed the IJT/ALH as its own independent product. Tejas/LCA's lead contractor is ADA and HAL is only a subcontractor and lead mfg contractor. Similarly NAL is the lead contractor on Saras and HAL will be the mfg. contractor.

Or as ADA itself puts it:
ADA of Department of Defence R&D is the nodal agency for the design & development of LCA. HAL is the principal partner in LCA Programme with participation of DRDO & CSIR Laboratories, Public & private sector industries and academic institutions.

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Postby Kartik » 14 Jun 2005 22:53

Of course the Sitara is the Official name of the IJT ! u think people just made up that name ?!! :evil:

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Postby Cybaru » 14 Jun 2005 22:55

http://www.zeenews.com/links/articles.a ... 32&sid=NAT

India's Jet Trainer makes first flight in foreign skies
Bangalore, June 14: India's indigenously designed and developed Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) has made its debut flight in foreign skies at an international air show.

The occasion was the Paris air show 2005, the biggest of its kind in the world, which commenced in the French capital yesterday.

The spectators included Indian ambassador to France Dilip Lahiri, Secretary (Defence Production) Shekhar Dutt and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited Chairman Ashok K Baweja besides the international aviation community, Bangalore-headquartered HAL said in a statement.

HAL is displaying three products -- its flagship Dhruv helicopter, the IJT and work horse Cheetah re-engined to Cheetal configuration for superior performance. It is also displaying Dhruv and IJT in flying display.

The maiden flight of IJT was preceded by a display of Dhruv highlighting its performance. Dhruv participated in 2003 Paris Airshow, HAL said.

Earlier, French President Jacques Chirac visited the HAL display area, the statement added.

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Postby Jagan » 14 Jun 2005 23:07

Kartik wrote:Of course the Sitara is the Official name of the IJT ! u think people just made up that name ?!! :evil:


Yeah they did ;) The Sitara is not the Official Name of the IJT - Yet..

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Postby Arun_J » 14 Jun 2005 23:10

Kartik wrote:Of course the Sitara is the Official name of the IJT ! u think people just made up that name ?!! :evil:


It seems like it. Can you provide one HAL link where they call it IJT -Sitara?

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Postby Jagan » 15 Jun 2005 00:58

First picture of an Indian Participant from Paris

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/856798/M/

More: India - Air Force
More: Hindustan ALH Dhruv

More: Paris - Le Bourget (LBG / LFPB)
More: France, June 10, 2005

H278 Paris Air Show 2005

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Postby Jagan » 15 Jun 2005 01:10

Sorry tis was the first

http://legrandcharles.free.fr/2005_06_06/IMG_0001.JPG

Missed it as it was posted in the Misc Pictures thread.

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Postby Cybaru » 15 Jun 2005 02:38

India`s day out at Paris Air Show

Domestic airlines commit to buy aircraft worth over $7bn.

Domestic airlines companies — Jet Airways, Kingfisher and Paramount — grabbed the spotlight on the second day of the Paris Air Show, making commitments to buy over $ 7 billion worth of aircraft from Boeing, Airbus and the Brazilian aircraft maker Embraer.

Naresh Goyal’s Jet Airways today committed to buy at least 20 Boeing planes worth over $2.8 billion at list prices, including 10 wide-bodied 777s that it will use to boost international service.

Jet said separately it would buy 10 Airbus aircraft with options to buy 10 more in a deal worth about $1.5 billion. The long-haul planes will be delivered from 2006 through 2009.

With the induction of these 40 aircraft, Jet Airways will become one of the largest carriers in India. At the moment, the private carrier has 36 Boeing 737s, three Airbus A-340s and eight atr 72-500s.

Jet Airways Chairman Naresh Goyal told reporters the carrier’s commitment to buy these aircraft was “just the beginning”, adding that it was “looking very seriously” at Boeing’s newest plane, the 787 Dreamliner.

“We will put the aircraft into service on major markets like the US, North America, the UK, Singapore and other destinations,” Jet Airways Chief Executive Officer Prockschauer Wolfgang said.

Jet’s domestic rival Kingfisher Airlines said at the Paris Show that it planned to spend about $2.5 billion for “multiple wide-bodied aircraft” from Airbus.

The yet-to-be launched Paramount Airways has placed an order with Embraer to purchase five of its new-generation 170/175 series aircraft in a deal worth $ 138 million. This is the first deal of the Brazilian company with an Indian client as it seeks to break into new markets.

“Paramount Airways will be the first carrier in India to use the Embraer 170/175 aircraft, making it also the first of its kind commercial transaction in civil aviation between India and Brazil,” Paramount Airways Managing Director M Thiagarajan said.

Paramount, slated to commence operations in August, will be a full-service, low-cost airline, offering direct services to a number of secondary cities in India.

The carrier will offer an all-business class service on the first two Embraer 170 aircraft and a first and business class configuration on the next three Embraer 175 aircraft.

Paramount Airways is promoted by Paramount Group, a leading player in textiles, with interests in banking and a host of other activities. It will operate from its base in Coimbatore.

Noel Forgeard, president and CEO, Airbus, said: “Our ability to deliver aircraft early will also give Jet Airways the advantage of an early start.”

The deliveries of Boeing 777s will begin from the latter part of next year and the planes would be used for non-stop flights between India and the us.

Meanwhile, the airline also informed the stock exchange that it wanted to commence flights to the United States and some other countries and increase the frequency of its operations to the UK.

India is all set to be one of the largest markets for aircraft makers. As per estimates by aircraft makers, India carriers — both government-owned and private — are expected to place orders for at least 200 new aircraft over the next 12 months. This is much more than the 175 airplanes that the seven Indian carriers own now.

But, this growth does not seem to be a short-term one. Airbus has upped its forecast of sales of new aircraft to Indian carriers to 400 from 220 by 2023. This will make India the third largest market for new aircraft in Asia, behind China (1,790) and Japan (640), according to Airbus’ Global Market Forecast 2004-2023.

Boeing, on the other hand, expects India to buy aircraft worth $35 billion in the next 20 years. The demand, according to Boeing, will mainly come from new carriers as well as from the government’s decision to allow Indian carriers to operate on international routes.

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Postby Harry » 15 Jun 2005 05:07

Jagan wrote:First picture of an Indian Participant from Paris

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/856798/M/

More: India - Air Force
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More: Paris - Le Bourget (LBG / LFPB)
More: France, June 10, 2005

H278 Paris Air Show 2005


That's the civil variant of the Dhruv. All civil Dhruvs have C/N prefix of DW. IAF Dhruvs have C/N prefix DS, hence the strange (maybe fake) S/N, H-278.

Incidentally, this would be the fourth civil Dhruv confirmed (others include DW-28,32 and VT-XLH)

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Postby Jagan » 15 Jun 2005 05:21

Harry wrote:That's the civil variant of the Dhruv. All civil Dhruvs have C/N prefix of DW. IAF Dhruvs have C/N prefix DS, hence the strange (maybe fake) S/N, H-278.

Incidentally, this would be the fourth civil Dhruv confirmed (others include DW-28,32 and VT-XLH)


The H27x numbers are the numbers assigned by the Paris show organisers.. See the picture of the IJT with its H-Number

Also there is a VT-HAM Dhruv which is DS-35.

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Postby Yerna » 15 Jun 2005 07:16

Jagan wrote:The H27x numbers are the numbers assigned by the Paris show organisers.. See the picture of the IJT with its H-Number

Also there is a VT-HAM Dhruv which is DS-35.


What is the DW 47 just above the landing gear?

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Postby Aditya G » 15 Jun 2005 11:00

What is the DW 47 just above the landing gear?

Construction Number or "C/N". Something like the chassis number in your car.

DW47 has to be a civilian prototype (wheeled landing gear), since N901 has a different nose job.

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Postby Jagan » 15 Jun 2005 12:24

aha, so probably DS-35 / VT-HAM has Skids... now i figure it out...

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Postby BhairavP » 15 Jun 2005 13:43

Aviation Week has freely downloadable PDFs of daily reports from the show.
Here: http://www.aviationnow.com/shownews/05paris/index.htm

The 2 PDFs are of Day 1 only. Day 2 has been added, but it is the same file as day 1, due to some oversight.

Interestingly, they have this to say about the Embraer Legacy aircraft being ordered by us:

The Indian Air Force takes delivery of five
Embraer Legacy corporate jets this year. These
are the first of the type to be fitted with selfdefense
systems, incorporating a missile radar
warning system and chaff and flare dispensers.
One of the Legacys will be used to transport
members of the Indian Cabinet, while the others
will be used by India’s border security forces and
senior military officers. First delivery is scheduled
for this month. The jets will take over
border control duties from aging Avro 748 turboprops.


EDIT : Pg. 26 - Interview with HAL Chairman Ashok Baweja.

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mean machine!!

Postby armish » 15 Jun 2005 15:01

guys u wanna check out this mean looking Dassault Rafale B of a bugger :evil:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/857194/L/

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Postby armish » 15 Jun 2005 15:20

this may not be the right forum but since Paris Air Show is on... but it might be worth asking or wondering if the French would throw in the Rafale in place of Mirage 2000 V if the Americanos put on the heat with their F-16 block 70 and latest F/A-18 jets for the MRCA.

The Rafale looked quite impressive in the pics that came out of PAris Air SHow.........................would be nice to see them flying in our colours........

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Postby armish » 15 Jun 2005 15:21

this may not be the right forum but since Paris Air Show is on... but it might be worth asking or wondering if the French would throw in the Rafale in place of Mirage 2000 V if the Americanos put on the heat with their F-16 block 70 and latest F/A-18 jets for the MRCA.

The Rafale looked quite impressive in the pics that came out of PAris Air SHow.........................would be nice to see them flying in our colours........

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Postby marimuthu » 15 Jun 2005 15:26

armish wrote:this may not be the right forum but since Paris Air Show is on... but it might be worth asking or wondering if the French would throw in the Rafale in place of Mirage 2000 V if the Americanos put on the heat with their F-16 block 70 and latest F/A-18 jets for the MRCA.

The Rafale looked quite impressive in the pics that came out of PAris Air SHow.........................would be nice to see them flying in our colours........


Not a question of they offering. It is very costly plane which we cannot afford to get and maintain.

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Postby Harry » 15 Jun 2005 19:39

Aditya G wrote:What is the DW 47 just above the landing gear?

Construction Number or "C/N". Something like the chassis number in your car.

DW47 has to be a civilian prototype (wheeled landing gear), since N901 has a different nose job.


Sigh..repeat - DW = Civilian version and DS = IAF version. Not all Naval versions have the radar nose (and sensor fit) either and are difficult to distinguish from CG Dhruvs.

DS-35 would be an IAF variant with skids but with civilian reg??

BTW Some IN Chetaks such as IN-479 also have search radar (Bendix King RDR1400)

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Postby Jagan » 15 Jun 2005 20:00

And what exactly are the differences between the 'IAF version' and the 'Civilian Version' other than the Skids Vs Wheels arrangement? Going by the info we have it does look like DW = wheeled and DS = skids. A picture of DS35 / VT-HAM with Skids will help this theory.

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Postby Vick » 15 Jun 2005 20:03

The IAF version has an emergency fuel dump system which the civ version lacks.

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Postby Jagan » 15 Jun 2005 20:05

Vick wrote:The IAF version has an emergency fuel dump system which the civ version lacks.


What about the Navy , Army and CG ones?

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Postby Vick » 15 Jun 2005 20:07

I think all the mil versions have the fuel dump system.

Added later: The IN and CG versions will fer sure have the dump system.

Added even later: The black hose under the fuselage is the hose used to dump the fuel.

While the civvie version doesn't have that black hose.
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Postby SuryaP » 15 Jun 2005 20:20

Vick wrote:The IAF version has an emergency fuel dump system which the civ version lacks.


Are you sure.

The fuel dump system is incorporated when the Max. landing weight is much less than the Max. Takeoff weight. This way, in case of an emergency soon after takeoff, the fuel is dumped to have a safe landing weight.

These should be same (atleast proportionally) for both Mil. and Civilian versions.
or
Are you confusing the pressure (re)fueling system with the fuel dump system?

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Postby JaiS » 15 Jun 2005 20:43

IJT COMLETES 100 FLIGHTS


The second prototype of indigenously designed and developed Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) scripted a perfect century at the Paris Air Show yesterday in the form of its 100th flight. IJT’s landmark achievement not only gave a visual treat to the aviation enthusiast but also nailed Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) supremacy in major aircraft development programme. This was IJT’s maiden participation in any international air show.

The 100th flight also dished out a double delight to the Indian contingent at Paris after French President Jacques Chirac visited the HAL stall admiring India’s advancement in aviation on the inaugural day.

HAL Chairman Shri Ashok K Baweja met the industry giants like EADS, Airbus, Boeing, Dassault Aviation and Sukhoi to discuss emerging business opportunities in the aviation sector. The Paris Air Show has given HAL an ideal platform to identity innovative business models and explore joint ventures to promote global business possibilities. Shri Baweja also briefed the international media on HAL’s high-profile projects including the Light Combat Helicopter, the Combat Air Trainer and the production of Light Combat Aircraft among others.


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Postby Harry » 15 Jun 2005 21:14

Jagan wrote:And what exactly are the differences between the 'IAF version' and the 'Civilian Version' other than the Skids Vs Wheels arrangement? Going by the info we have it does look like DW = wheeled and DS = skids. A picture of DS35 / VT-HAM with Skids will help this theory.


The civil version has been cleared to a lesser AUW of 5350 kg. The Military version alone has a fuel dump system. The civil version is simply not permitted to have one.

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Postby rsingh » 17 Jun 2005 03:24

Going to air show on Friday :D

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Postby NRao » 17 Jun 2005 07:47

Being Paree and all, I would have liked to see some "ads" on the IJT - you know, toot the horn of HAL, et al. Cute as it looks.

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Postby Aditya G » 17 Jun 2005 11:11

what are those small intakes on the HJT-36?

have they taken Su-30s canopy!! :eek:

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