Aero India 2007 - Photo Thread

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Postby shiv » 09 Feb 2007 16:13

abhinav.sharma wrote:Can any one help me? I am using Macromedia Flash 8 player but I still cannot see LCA's vedio on Youtube please help.


Try the original on BR using Real Player
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3092

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Postby rakall » 09 Feb 2007 16:57

shiv wrote:
abhinav.sharma wrote:Don't no if anybody noticed but the mockup of LCH in Aero India this time seems to be significantly redesinged from previous one, and now it looks a lot more desinged for stealth.


The mockup was made by Tata Elxsi or Tata someone - I have a photo of that will post after watermarking.

I spoke to the HAL people there.

The LCH is a completely different animal from the Combat ALH that we saw in mock-up form in AI 2005.

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Shiv - i am not sure if people are confused betweeen WSI Dhruv & LCH or the LCH mockup now & the LCH mockup of AI03.

just to add to Shiv's post -- the WSI Dhruv & LCH will carry same armaments in the IA role.. obviously the IN version will carry depth charges & torps.

What sets LCH apart is the tandem arrangement where the backseater is the WSO (like the Su30) while the pilot concentrates solely on manuering -- very much required bcoz LCH is supposed to be a true attack helo operating in highly hostile environment.

Whereas WSI Dhruv is just an armed helo whose primary role will be to drop troops or an armed helo ground support duties.

Significant differences in LCH will be it high manueveribility, tree top height flights, very good armor protection (which WSI Dhruv lacks) and ofcourse, stealth.

On a sidenote, ARMY AVIATION

they have a stall in HallD.. they dont have a great display or dont give out any brochures/freebies - so it is less visited. But there are AA pilots lounging around -- it is worthwhile to chat them up., are quite friednly I spent 15-20mins with a Major & Lt.Col (test pilot) and it was nice listening to them.

they like ALH immensely -- vast improvement from from other Helos in the inventory. One of them said they already have a few glass-cockpit Dhruv's (someone please confirm if HAL has delivered any already) and it is a dream navigating in it using the moving map display. They have 20 spread over two sqds (though usual sqd strength is 15/sqn) and are gearing up for 200.

Mi25/35 upgrade has packed quite a punch.. "they are in a different league" in the test-pilots words. NVG has made a huge difference it seems -- they are exploiting it a lot in practice missions... And the stabilisation of the images acquired from El-op turret improved drastically..

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Postby Philip » 09 Feb 2007 17:24

The LCH is anything but "light"! It resembles considerably current attack helos.One cannot understand the huge size of the rear fuselage,quite disproportionate to the cockpit for the pilots,unless there has been an error in the scale of the mock-up! I pointed this out to Shiv,the huge size of the cockpit,meant for 6+ footers.

The two Russian attack helos shown at the very first air show,the Black Shark and Alligator KA-50/52,in my opinion have been the two most awesome helos displayed at any air show here.They really meant business from the massive armament carried and the armoured cockpits for the crew.They also had ejector seats for the pilots,if I remember correctly,with explosive bolts to detach the rotors before the ejection seats fired.Ejection seats fro the crew of attack helos is absolutely neccessary given the huge risks they take operating in a very hostile ground environment.Just look at recent Us casualties in Iraq,5 helos shot down and huge loss of life.The reports that India has given Russia a brief to design a new attack helo is reassuring guess that the LCH,LAH,etc. will be built in smaller qtys. for different scenarios.The recent Cobra deliveries to pak is a wake-up call for the Indian Army,which must possess several hundred attack helos,heavy or light for the battlefield,apart from others needed for liaison and recce duties.

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Postby Jagan » 09 Feb 2007 17:57

Ok chaps, i am back in hyd :( - Seetal and Kapil along with Sam are manning the stall at aeroindia

I will be updating the pictures we assembled at a faster rate now.


Sanjay Simhas pictures

Rehearsal Flypast - look out for the pics of Il-38s and the LCAs
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3626

Army Aviation Pictures
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3633
(some pics need rotating - will be done shortly)

Other updates

Sukhoi 30 and misc AI pictures from Seetal (temp url)
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3648

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=2735
The ladies album ;)

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Postby Igorr » 09 Feb 2007 20:20

SaiK wrote:this youtube mig35 video is all russian.. i do see the radar, and the russian language something about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuy4b_9g0kc

anyone russian?
They didnt say something new or even interesting about MiG-33 in that program of Zvezda Defence Channel. It is about the visit of the Russian DM in an Ru-Army unit near Moscow and the meeting with the soldier's relatives (first part) and his visit to Lukhovitsy MiG's manufacture in January 9. The pictures about it were already been here soon . You can see the MiG-29OVT display, MiG-35 on static and MiG-29K\KuB production line.

Apropos, I have composed some guide, how to download U-Tube video and save it. May be it could help for something here for saving a traffic:
1) For Opera browser users after looking video by standart way, please search for the cached video files in the follow folder: C:\Program Files\Opera\profile\cache4
It can be with .flv or .tmp extention. The big volume of the file and the arranging ichons by their date can help you to recognise, what you look for. For example, the video file about MiG-35 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuy4b_9g0kc ) has the name opr075AT.tmp and weight 10 597 kb.
2) Change the extension of the file to .flv if it's still has .tmp
3) Open with any .flv file player program, like RivaFLVPlayer ( downloading link RIVAurl
4) You can also play .flv media with any standart video-player after instalation of K-lite codec pack ( http://www.k-litecodecpack.com )
5) You can also convert your downloaded .flv file to any other video format with Total Video Converter http://www.effectmatrix.com/total-video ... /index.htm
6) If you cant allow for youself purchase the Total Video Converter, you can still crack it, althouth I strongly recomend dont do it, if in your country it's prohibited by law. Anyway I give you bro the link to an excelllent site that will help to desperados: www.astalavista.com
7) If you are still disgusted from Opera, I can only recomend using another link for downloading video from U-Tube: http://kej.tw/flvretriever, or search the folders, where other i-browsers keep their cached Internet stuff.

Enjoy!

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Postby ramana » 09 Feb 2007 22:52

Is there a picture of the name board of the airlaunched Brahmos? Looks like there is some info on that.

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Postby shiv » 09 Feb 2007 22:53

Some pictures and video clips added mpeg this time - downgraded for filesize.
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3088

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Postby Rahul M » 10 Feb 2007 00:09

ahem shiv,
mars

This gizmo is a sight that puts an invisible red laser dot on a target. The best part is that if the soldier does not want to raise his rifle, all he needs to do is hold it at hip level (or wherever), press a button (on the cord) to light up a visible red


why should it be invisible??
bit confuzzed only :-? anyone care to explain?? how is this diff from standard laser pointer put on guns??

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Postby JCage » 10 Feb 2007 00:58

Its visible only in the NVG..that way your enemy doesnt know hes been marked..but you can see it..!

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Postby Harry » 10 Feb 2007 01:31

Chexk out the new LCA pics at aeroindia.oeg,

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Postby JCage » 10 Feb 2007 01:38

Superb- the grey cammo suits it!

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Postby svinayak » 10 Feb 2007 02:40

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Postby hnair » 10 Feb 2007 03:00

Harry wrote:Chexk out the new LCA pics at aeroindia.oeg,


Excellent pics Harry! Those bunch of LCA picture are the best ones I have seen recently. And yeah she is a graceful bird in that low-vis color - not an ugly curve from any angle! Thanks for posting them 8)

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Postby Sumeet » 10 Feb 2007 04:05

Harry wrote:Chexk out the new LCA pics at aeroindia.oeg,


awesome pics man.

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Postby AshokS » 10 Feb 2007 04:45

Harry - Some of the best pics yet! Looks like the 400D did you well... 8)

Can you post exif info... also what lens kit did u use?

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Postby Lkawamoto » 10 Feb 2007 05:31

you lucky dudes and dudettes

any sign of saras?
any info or fly over or mock up?

pls infarm

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Postby shiv » 10 Feb 2007 06:13

Rahul M wrote:ahem shiv,
mars

This gizmo is a sight that puts an invisible red laser dot on a target. The best part is that if the soldier does not want to raise his rifle, all he needs to do is hold it at hip level (or wherever), press a button (on the cord) to light up a visible red


why should it be invisible??
bit confuzzed only :-? anyone care to explain?? how is this diff from standard laser pointer put on guns??


Unless you shoot - shining a visible red laser dot all over will give you away.

You can see a red dot on a target only through the scope/sight and that sight is mounted on the rifle. But for that the entire rifle (and sight) have to be raised to eye level firing position.

If, for example a soldier is holding his rifle at the hip and looking around he may see something that needs shooting at quickly - and the act of raising the rifle may take too much time.

For that reason all he has to do is to have a finger ready on the button on the cord. That produces a visible laser dot that can be pointed at the target from hip level. The naked eye visible laser dot is designed to illuminate exactly the same spot on the target as the invisible dot that can be seen only through the sight.

This thing gives an entirely new meaning to "shootin' from the hip"

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Postby shiv » 10 Feb 2007 06:59

I can see a grand total of exactly one photograph at Aero India.or and I am unable to see what everyone is gushing about.

Any url? I hoe the site is not one of those "Internet Explorer only" types :shock:

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Postby avvipin » 10 Feb 2007 07:08

Go to aeroindia.org and in the Event section on the right click on aero india 07. Should take you to photos. I am using mozilla firefox and it works. Great pics of LCA from Harry.

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Postby shiv » 10 Feb 2007 07:22

This is one of the most beautiful pics I have seen - (from Allan Mathias)

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=4043

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Postby Surya » 10 Feb 2007 08:38

Some more pictures of Garud troopers please

Close ups like Shiv took of the paras

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Postby Jagan » 10 Feb 2007 08:39

Surya wrote:Some more pictures of Garud troopers please

Close ups like Shiv took of the paras


Surya,

Plenty of them coming your way soon :)

-Jagan

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Postby shiv » 10 Feb 2007 09:08

Added a short video clip of the Saras:
http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=3925

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Postby Jagan » 10 Feb 2007 10:35

about 50 new pics from Vijay S Reddy

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=4134

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Postby SriKumar » 10 Feb 2007 11:48

On page 2 of the pics. above, there's one that says 'Shiv Aroor visits BR'. Was that actually so? If so, was there any free and frank 'exchange of views' on his recent coverage of DRDO?

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Postby JCage » 10 Feb 2007 13:23

So no photoboards for us to dig into but:

See this:

Exhibit A: OFB 125mm rounds.

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=2989

http://media.bharat-rakshak.com/aero/ma ... temId=2992

Exhibit B:

Round on the left:
http://www.drdo.org/products/fsapds.htm
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/am ... /lc/26.htm

So the question is, which is the round on the right? Is it this:

From Business standard, 2006 about HAPP, Trichy

According to Bhasin, the factory, after inheriting a special technology from Israel military industries, has been engaged in the production of the third generation anti-tank projectiles, Finns Stabilised Armour Piercing Discarding Sabots, which could penetrate 125 mn to 300 mm thick armours of the enemy tanks and make them de-mobilised.


But the new OFB round is identical to the WITU round from Poland.

Images:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3852/t ... nds9ju.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/359/ ... sds2jj.jpg

But then we see the OFB website, yet another hitherto unknown 125mm APFSDS round!

http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/am ... /lc/37.htm

And then the most interesting part, we go back to Polish APFSDS manufacturers

http://www.zps.com.pl/

Check under "Oferta" and special products (words similar to the same) & the 1st link, and you'll see both the OFB linked round, and the new round displayed at AI-2007. Small image, here.

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An IMI link is yet possible-IMI is stated to have supplied the penetrators for the "Pronit" APFSDS as well, to Poland, but this new round (as displayed in AI-2007 by OFB) was previously believed to be developed in Poland alone.

Fun, fun, fun.

And to add to the fun, DRDOs 125mm Mk2 APFSDS has also cleared user trials.

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Postby Harry » 10 Feb 2007 19:33

Thanks all, for the feedback. Check out the reward in the LCA thread. :twisted:

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Postby Harry » 10 Feb 2007 20:25

AshokS wrote:Harry - Some of the best pics yet! Looks like the 400D did you well... 8)

Can you post exif info... also what lens kit did u use?


I used the standard Canon 90-300 mm lens. Requires a steady hand. Used the auto and ISO800-1/2500.

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Postby A Sharma » 10 Feb 2007 21:31

Harry thx for all the pics.
Is it the paveway on darin-II jaguar?
When can we see LCA trainer?
Thx again

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Postby Zynda » 11 Feb 2007 00:40

Great work guys...all of you who have visited AI07. Thanks for all the pics. Harry, your pics are excellent as usual. Can we expect a detailed report from you like AI-05?

Shiv, superb videos of Tejas & MiG-OVT. Awesome :D

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Postby Vishy_mulay » 11 Feb 2007 02:56

I stumble upon few video links of Aero India 07 on defencenews.com by Scott Mahaskey. Don't know the whether they have been posted on the tread. if they are apologies in advance.
http://www.defensenews.com/aero/video.php?id=29
http://www.defensenews.com/aero/video.php?id=35
http://www.defensenews.com/aero/video.php?id=26
The Suryakiran video is breathtaking loved it :D
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Postby rkhanna » 11 Feb 2007 02:58

About the LCH... I came across this.. dont know if it has already been discussed.. but the LCH looks hell of a lot like the Russian KAZAN Ansat Ansat-2RC Armed Recon Helo.

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Better pics of it here.
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Maks2005/Helicopters/index.html

Also Ironically. the 2RC Version of the ANSAT is derived From Transport Helo.. Like the LCH is derived from the ALH Program..

Here is a Pic of the Transport ANSAT.

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Looks hell of alot like our beloved Dhruv doesnt it?

interesting.. Do we see a Russian hand in our helo projects or am i getting ahead of myself.

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Postby avvipin » 11 Feb 2007 03:07

Idon't see much similarity. LCh looks a little like tiger from front but thats it.

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Postby Ananth » 11 Feb 2007 03:27

Thanks all guys for their pain and efforts to keep us up2date with developments at AI 2007. Kudos to BR team for excellent management.

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Postby A Sharma » 11 Feb 2007 03:28

ALH got help from MBB.

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Postby svinayak » 11 Feb 2007 03:50

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Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi with Air Chiefs from different countries pose for a photographer before the programme "International Aerospace Power Seminar and Aero India 2007", in New Delhi.
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