Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 21 Mar 2013 07:48

^ not necessarily.

Modern (past 100 yrs) history is full of examples where the family/progeny of exiled corrupt leaders return as here's and get elected. Anyone remember Marcos family in Philippines?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Mar 2013 07:54

Now that we're all agreed that any connection between this morning's CBI raids on MK Stalin's residences (ostensibly to investigate illgal import of phoren cars, no, really!) and the DMK exit from the UPA is purely coincidental...

makes one wonder from where such brazen-ness comes. No its more than just a case of 'vinaash kaale vipreet buddhi' etc. Much beyond that....

I have to wonder what ace is hidden up INC's arce, err, sleeve... everything points to EVM magic only.... now, I'mmore worried than usual... Only.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 21 Mar 2013 07:58

^ HS garu

Some Telugu paper says INC is thinking of going for early polls. May be in nov/dec timeframe with MP! Rajasthan etc states.

Apparently they want to leave AP alone, not that it is kinda safe with YSJ in jail, TRS in confusion and TDP on the roads.

The local talk is that people are getting to like KKR for his snap at TRS in assembly last week. He told Harish Rao to "go take a hike, I wont spend a single rupee in T-area", when Harish made some irritating comments...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Mar 2013 08:04

RamaY garu, too many moving parts only... too chaotic to model and make sense of only...

Anyway, folks, it doesn't get more "official" than this at the party level, I guess...
Narendra Modi certain in BJP parliamentary board (Hindustan INC times)

Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi is almost certain to be the only new face — besides being the only chief minister — to figure in the BJP parliamentary board in the run-up to the general elections. Party sources said the decision to reserve a seat for Modi at the high table was made despite a section of the top leadership supporting Shivraj Singh Chouhan, CM of poll-bound MP. Finally, it was the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) that took a final call.
The sources said Singh might make Modi in charge of the election campaign committee once the election dates are announced.

Meanwhile, the new BJP chief is expected to unveil his team of office-bearers a day after the Holi festival. The list was discussed with RSS leaders in Jaipur on March 6, followed by a series of informal consultations.

The RSS blocked the nomination of former finance and foreign minister and Hazaribagh MP Yashwant Sinha as a party vice-president for publicly airing his views on past president Nitin Gadkari’s second term. Gadkari was backed by the RSS.

For the vice-president slots, the contenders are Uma Bharati, CP Thakur, SS Ahluwalia, Vinay Katiyar and Kalraj Mishra, among others.

Head of the campaign committee is a HUGE deal. Ticket distribution, candidate selection, campaign planning... all can do with NM's out-of-the-box thinking IMO. Even the few dozen odd seats being brought into play due to that is enough to neuter (alize) the Nitish type of self-important humbugs.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 21 Mar 2013 08:17

Poor Stalin, he must still remember the goons sent by Indira Gandhi, his limp would never make him forget that. I remember seeing some cartoons in a tamil weekly about some of the torture mechanisms, allegedly, carried out by IG regime.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Mar 2013 08:55

More evidence of dynasty SOPs implemented by dynasty SOBs - even in the information age, such brazen-ness...wow only...

For Kanimozhi, an ED chargesheet could mean a fresh jail term.

sala daal hi kaala hain.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 21 Mar 2013 09:12

^ Hari ji

Public is desensitized to that extent. They think they DmK goons deserve it.

The plus side is that when the termite are given same punishment the then govt will not see much public anger.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Mar 2013 09:16

^^ or may be cong wants DMK to regain lost ground on S/L issue. Lookalike the case of con arranged son-rise.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 21 Mar 2013 09:40

10 years is too long a time to project anything with Congress, given Sonia's old age and Rahul incompetence and the lack of any competent leader groomed nationally (in fear of competition). Only sycophants and attack dogs like that diggy and sushil shinde etc..

Is there anybody like this guy who can even dare to sit like that

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... Q&dur=1117

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 21 Mar 2013 10:10

A Nitish Kumar model for India or a Modi model for Bihar?
A special status by any other name is still a dole. Nitish can’t offer it as an alternate to the Modi model
Sundeep Khanna

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 21 Mar 2013 10:11

Gus wrote:
Is there anybody like this guy who can even dare to sit like that

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt ... Q&dur=1117

Say what you might about IG too, but look at the expressions of BOTH the people in the picture -- regal, self confident, and assured. There is light on their faces.

What a come down for INC.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 21 Mar 2013 10:43

IE is sanitizing the news. As per SandeepWeb on twitter, he said he die but not allow Namo as PM.

U R Ananthamurthy opposes Modi as PM candidate

http://newindianexpress.com/states/karn ... 510105.ece

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 21 Mar 2013 12:22

ramana wrote:Dont forget NaMo made uncalled for remarks about ST's wife. So its personal too.

which one? He already had three!

Wikipedia wrote:Tharoor's first wife was Tilottama Mukherji, an academic from Kolkata. Later he was married to Christa, a Canadian working at the United Nations. After their divorce, Tharoor married Sunanda Pushkar in his ancestral home in Elavanchery village in Kerala's Palakkad district on 22 August 2010.

On Sunanda Pushkar

Career

She was sales director in a Dubai-based real estate company Tecom.
In April 2010, she had to relinquish a stake in the Kochi IPLteam estimated at Rs 70 crore, when allegations of corruption against her then lover Shashi Tharoor (Union minister at the time) created a furore.

Personal life

She belongs to a family of landlords and Army officers from Bomai, 8 km from Sopore in the Kashmir Valley, India. Her father is Lt Col (retd) P N Dass who retired from the Army in 1983. She has two brothers, one of whom works for a bank; the other is in the Army.She is a graduate of Government College for Women, Srinagar.

She is the spouse of well-known politician and former United Nations Under Secretary General Shashi Tharoor. This is her third marriage. Her first husband was Sanjay Raina, a Kashmiri. After that marriage ended in a divorce, she married a Kerala businessman Sujith Menon who then died in a road accident in 1997. She has a 19-year-old son, Shiv Menon, from her second marriage. Recently, on 30th Oct,2012, Sunanda Pushkar slapped a man at the Thiruvananthapuram airport allegedly because the man misbehaved with her. According to news reports, the incident took place when the couple arrived at the airport on Monday and were welcomed by a crowd of jubilant Congress workers. A local television news channel footage available on Youtube shows an angry Sunanda slapping a man in the crowd who had apparently touched her inappropriately.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 21 Mar 2013 12:57

Just thinking aloud.
Why can't BJP take a stance where Congress without Sonia and MMS is better for India than Congress with them? The proverbial back can be broken no?
Surely there are people there who would like to see their fortunes change and a little nudge and a push from BJP can help them .

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 21 Mar 2013 15:25

Neela wrote:Just thinking aloud.
Why can't BJP take a stance where Congress without Sonia and MMS is better for India than Congress with them? The proverbial back can be broken no?
Surely there are people there who would like to see their fortunes change and a little nudge and a push from BJP can help them .

Neela ji, this kind of strategy can be adopted only from a position of strength. Unless off course the one trying is Laloo. Sample this.

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Laloo : I want you to marry a girl of my choice
Son : "I want to choose my own bride".

Laloo : "But the girl is Ambani's daughter."
Son : "Well, in that case.... Yes."

Next Laloo approaches Ambani
Laloo : "I have a husband for your daughter."
Ambani : "But I don't want to marry my daughter."

Laloo : "But this young man is a vice-president of the World Bank."
Ambani : "Ah, in that case.... Yes"

Finally Laloo goes to see the president of the World Bank.
Laloo : "I have a young man to be recommended as a vice-president. "
President : "But I already have more vice-presidents than I need."

Laloo : "But this young man is Ambani's son-in-law."
President : "Ah, in that case.... Yes."

à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£ · Post by **à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£** » 21 Mar 2013 16:19

Modi's speech (in english) at the Big Tent:
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/i ... odi/269159

New Modi Catchphrase: IT + IT = IT (Indian Talent + information technology = India Tomorrow)

nkumar · Post by **nkumar** » 21 Mar 2013 16:52

Hari Seldon wrote:
eklavya wrote:How does Modi even get past Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley, etc. in his own party, let alone convince NDA allies to serve in a government lead by himself?
Let's say he does. Of course, feel free to disagree only.
Arjun ji, interesting dhaga and thoughts. Kindly build on further, moi will follow in earnest.

Hari Seldon bhai, is there a way to get in touch with you? Can you ping me at nkumar422 at gmail? Kinda important.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 21 Mar 2013 17:49

Gus wrote:10 years is too long a time to project anything with Congress, given Sonia's old age and Rahul incompetence and the lack of any competent leader groomed nationally (in fear of competition). Only sycophants and attack dogs like that diggy and sushil shinde etc..

Don't underestimate the enemy. NDA did. Vajapyee did.

CON woman is not just a person. She represents Divide and Rule policy. Put one caste against another, one religion against another's, one region against another.

No one looks at development and all. I saw some thing on TV and I want it tomorrow. What do I need to do?

Which is easy to attract people? Easy and freebies vs hardworking and patience.

The scum DIEnasty is a master of making people servants with freebies.

Lt them be out of power. The SCUM media will put Priyanka and Rahul, how they love poor people, every meeting of theirs televised 24x7.

Do you remember Burka's interview of priyanka in the midst of 2009?

Do you remember how suckdeep sardesai drooling over Priyanka's sari, indira nose etc.?

The PAID scums have a lot tricks to pull before the election and after the election.

Modi should know the dangers of these DIEnasty scums. They have to be totally wiped out patiently by finding all the evidence of scams, force foreign Govt. to bring back all the scam money methodically.

We need to restore the democracy and democratic institutions. The fight from MAFIA embedded in media and legal system (even chief justice is part of it) and erase it totally. Will need more than 10 years.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 21 Mar 2013 17:53

AN ddo not forget Mafia in influentional NGO and Babus from MOD. When George Fernandes gave a free hand hand to them for emergency purchases for Kargil what did they do. They ordered coffins for 1 crore each and gave all the info to media and INC to hand an undefendable issue on a platter to the INC. These links and Mafia's should be tackled.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 21 Mar 2013 19:01

ramana wrote:Dont forget NaMo made uncalled for remarks about ST's wife. So its personal too

NaMo made these in the context of HP elections carefully. Thr whole talk of his is in youtube.

MSM twisted it to suit its agenda of demeaning NaMo. Many in SM and Madhu Kishwar have written on this.

ST for his talent has been on upswing in congi circles when he made those stupid comments on NaMo after this event. He has had success going after NaMo.

he was made to eat his own words and in fact deleted his own twitter comments when twitterati took on him.

of course paid media true to its nature never showed these aspects.

I have posted the Madhu Kishwar article and many others including his deleted twitter ones.

overall good man, bad politician, good diplomat in international circles supporting India in the worst party.
He is neck deep in trouble, will not quit the party as his career will be over.
pathetic to see him nowadays.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 21 Mar 2013 19:56

Gujarat’s power companies shine despite UPA malevolence

What Narendra Modi does, the Congress undoes. What Narendra Modi proposes, the Centre disposes and when Narendra Modi talks, the UPA keeps its eyes and ears wide shut. This is what conventional wisdom suggests. However, the NaMo paranoia seems to have reached extraordinary heights in the last few months. Be it 24 Akbar Road, 10 Janpath, 12 Tughlak Road or South Block the fear of Modi’s rise is absolute. Sadly, this unwarranted hatred for Modi has led to severe collateral damage where the real victims are none other than the people of Gujarat. Due to petty hatred toward an individual, the Congress and the UPA have time and again brought insult to an entire State.

The latest episode is a report in the Economic Times (March 20), which states that the Power Ministry cancelled a function at the last minute to felicitate top ranking power distribution companies after a record four companies from Gujarat made it on top of the list. It is said that only one utility from Congress ruled Maharashtra made it to the top ten, putting the Power Minister in an awkward position in front of his political bosses.

ET writes that ICRA and CARE were the agencies that did the ratings and they were deeply impressed by the performance and finances of the utilities in Gujarat, giving it an A+. Companies from other States either got A or B+. Thus, the Power Ministry had a situation where there were four discoms with A+ and all four were from (you guessed it right) Gujarat!

Sources, both in the Centre and in Gujarat informed me that an invite for the function to be held on March 19 was sent out to the various power companies and key functionaries. The Minister himself stressed on the importance of the ratings, saying that it would be a realistic picture of the distributing units and will enable companies and the government to weigh their strengths, weaknesses and given innovative ideas for better performance. So, despite so many expectations from the ratings and so much faith in them, poor Mr. Scindia had to cancel felicitating top performing discoms. After all, did he want to be seen embracing a ‘communal’ State? Did he want his prestige cut to size in his home State, which faces elections later this year as his move could anger Digvijay Singh and Kamal Nath?

In any case, Gujarat’s success in the energy sector is more than well-known. I recall that one of the first things Modi did when he took over the reigns of Gujarat was to revolutionise the power sector. Like other States, Gujarat had its frequent share of power cuts and irregular power supply but after Modi taking over that is all passé. Officials in the Gujarat Government tell me that with initiatives such as the Jyotigram Yojana, the Government has been able to deliver on a lot of other benefits such long distance education and enabling better usage of technology in the working of the Government.

If you think this is for the first time the people of Gujarat have been at the receiving end of the UPA’s shallow attitude only due to their vengeance against Modi you must think again! This is neither the first and nor will it be the last.

Another example of the same behavior comes with regard to the 20-Point Programme. As many would be aware, this is an initiative started by a Congress Prime Minister, the late Indira Gandhi. An extremely healthy practice of rating the schemes, which include rural housing projects, water supply programmes, afforestation etc has been underway for years. The only ‘glitch’ — the States ruled by NDA shone in these ratings and Gujarat consistently figured on top in these ratings! Now, instead of continuing these rankings and perhaps telling their own Chief Minister to perform, what the Centre conveniently did was to stop the rankings altogether. So much for transparent evaluation and performance!

Even the slightest instance on Gujarat excelling puts the Centre in the tightest of spots. Take another example, that of Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission (JNNURM). This story too has a predictable script. Data from the JNNURM reveled that Gujarat tops the list of the maximum projects completed in Phase 1 of the JNNURM. Gujarat completed 42 of the 71 projects and fared impressively with 81% fund utilisation. To put things in perspective, Congress ruled States of Maharashtra completed only 20 out of 80, Andhra completed 20 out of 52 and Rajasthan 4 out of 13!

Once this data came out, the Centre was confused — shall we allocate funds on the basis of performance or population? If it is performance, it would be an implicit acceptance of Gujarat’s strides whereas if it is on the basis of population we will again have a situation where funds are either lying unused or they are being mismanaged, like in other States. With elections round the corner and the volatile situation in Maharashtra, the Centre decided against awarding performance instead focusing on politics. In his humourous style, Modi took a dig at the Centre by Tweeting, “Gujarat’s focus on execution excellence & outstanding performance in JNNURM puts UPA in a quandary yet again!”

These three examples very clearly show the heights the Congress can reach when it comes to settling political scores against Modi. It is an extremely unhealthy sign that when personal animosity takes the shape of discriminating against an entire state, for no fault of their people. After losing the Gujarat elections repeatedly, a Congressman asked me, “I do not know why we never get it right.” After reading about these and several other instances, I think the Congress should have easily found the answer.

geeth · Post by **geeth** » 21 Mar 2013 19:58

Let us please ignore this Sasi Taroor guy. He only represents the deracinated nair/menon Macaulytes of Kerala, of which Sir C. Sankaran Nair is their saint. Even today his lineage is intact, by way of Shiv Sankar Menon. See the influence these guys have in GOI, whether Kangress, BJP or Commies or socialists. This is because, their family members are spread across the spectrum of Indian politics. Or else, Shiv Sankar Menon would not have been able to jump above 4-5 of his seniors and become the foreign secretary. Any odd nair / menon guy not within this closed circle will not make it to important position. Their network is so strong (Particularly the Ottappalam/Valluvanadu Gang).

The beauty is that they can change colour like camilion, depending upon the political hue of the day..red, green, saffron or anything. They will continue to survive, because their forefathers have invested heavily first with the british system and after the independence, with the Kangress desi-goras and to an extend Commies.

No need for any Nair/Menon of this forum feel offended, and don't stamp me as a casteist.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Mar 2013 20:00

I had posted a few days back. they are commissioning small solar power plants with the panels placed on covers over the narmada canals. that way evaporation is also cut.

small but creative and honest solns.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 21 Mar 2013 20:04

वरुण wrote:Modi's speech (in english) at the Big Tent:
http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/i ... odi/269159

New Modi Catchphrase: IT + IT = IT (Indian Talent + information technology = India Tomorrow)

Excellent speech.

NM explained how technology helped the political class to reach out to masses and in some times changed the political process itself.

He also explained how the technology can be a performance monitoring tool for political class.

Termite family is asked to stop seeing internet as a threat and as a tool to curtail people freedoms.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Mar 2013 00:19

The NaMo Mantra: Why Indians respond to it

Tavleen Singh analyses Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s presentation at the India Today Conclave and what it indicates of his agenda

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/03/21/t ... 57886.html

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 22 Mar 2013 00:24

geeth wrote:Let us please ignore this Sasi Taroor guy. He only represents the deracinated nair/menon Macaulytes of Kerala, of which Sir C. Sankaran Nair is their saint. Even today his lineage is intact, by way of Shiv Sankar Menon. See the influence these guys have in GOI, whether Kangress, BJP or Commies or socialists. This is because, their family members are spread across the spectrum of Indian politics. Or else, Shiv Sankar Menon would not have been able to jump above 4-5 of his seniors and become the foreign secretary. Any odd nair / menon guy not within this closed circle will not make it to important position. Their network is so strong (Particularly the Ottappalam/Valluvanadu Gang).

The beauty is that they can change colour like camilion, depending upon the political hue of the day..red, green, saffron or anything. They will continue to survive, because their forefathers have invested heavily first with the british system and after the independence, with the Kangress desi-goras and to an extend Commies.

No need for any Nair/Menon of this forum feel offended, and don't stamp me as a casteist.

What utter tosh! With the exception of the first sentence!

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 22 Mar 2013 04:10

Sushupti wrote:The NaMo Mantra: Why Indians respond to it

Tavleen Singh analyses Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s presentation at the India Today Conclave and what it indicates of his agenda

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/03/21/t ... 57886.html

WOW! Anybody heard this whole thing? Is there a text version of this?

She says "It would be great to get an Indian PM who is Indian". She means who thinks Indian. Does not mean Italian vs Indian

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Mar 2013 08:38

Bharat Karnad weighs in on Namo: Narendra Bhai vs. Rahul Baba

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 22 Mar 2013 08:50

vijayk wrote:
Sushupti wrote:The NaMo Mantra: Why Indians respond to it
She says "It would be great to get an Indian PM who is Indian". She means who thinks Indian. Does not mean Italian vs Indian

Sheee is talking in BR Bhasha? Like us , she is tired of Fuddu Tamasha by Congress Maccacca.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Mar 2013 09:01

Even the India-baiting semi-racist khanomist rag is seeing the light these days, seems like... asks and reviews what Sonia G has achieved in 15 years.
Tryst with ~~destiny~~ dynasty
Ensoi.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 22 Mar 2013 10:29

^^^ That's a good one. India's tryst with destiny turned out to be a tryst with dynasty

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Mar 2013 10:49

Hmm, is the Economist drawing inspiration from this thread by any chance ...http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 2#p1387542?

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 22 Mar 2013 11:28

OT but since this came up and I feel that this Sashi Tharoor/Pushkar couple is an interesting mix. Both come from states where Hindus have been persecuted and are threatened with fading into oblivion. They still belong to secular camp, these both? Talk of ostrich syndrome.

member_20292 · Post by **member_20292** » 22 Mar 2013 11:33

Thing is this. That along with millions of socialist masses, who have been brought up on Nehruvian ideas of socialism....one has to co exist in India. Thus ...if you are well educated and have talent to spare...it is tough to rough it out in stifling Indian conditions with cut throat competition and work here.

Added to all of that, is the fact that the common man does not see the error of his ways and votes thoroughly and comprehensively for socialist governments. Indian people are not through and through capitalist, even as they are traders by nature. Capitalism requires more of a spirit of expansionism.

Indian voting patterns are along the lines of Brazil, Venezuela and Greece.

China on the other hand, looks all set to be another South Korea. They have the national will, and the ability to tighten their stomachs, suck it up and move in a predecided manner. Their patterns are decidedly capitalist and materialist, and they look set to create some of the best economies of the 21st century. India will initially be something on the lines of Venezuela, then Brazil as it goes up on the gdp per capita scale, then Greece. I don't see India escaping the middle income trap.

On an individual basis, to create personal wealth, it is far easier to emigrate and work in richer countries like America.

habal · Post by **habal** » 22 Mar 2013 11:59

rajithn wrote:What utter tosh! With the exception of the first sentence!

Hogwash. That is the word you should use.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 22 Mar 2013 18:08

Theo_Fidel wrote:So lets try this again.
What is the Moditva position on
- Equality of women
- Ending the sex ratio violence
- Freeing women to join the working population

In the India Today Conclave, NaMo was more than forthright on this issue. He said, that we could double our GDP growth if we allow women to join in. He told about certain schemes in Gujarat which are being carried out be women and how they are managing thousands of crores of money.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 22 Mar 2013 18:19

Theo_Fidel wrote:So lets try this again.
What is the Moditva position on
- Equality of women
- Ending the sex ratio violence
- Freeing women to join the working population

What about malnutrition?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 22 Mar 2013 18:24

He is setting up cyber security cell in each district

Yogesh · Post by **Yogesh** » 22 Mar 2013 18:49

RajeshA wrote:
Theo_Fidel wrote:So lets try this again.
What is the Moditva position on
- Equality of women
- Ending the sex ratio violence IMO most of the voilenece happens because of women's complete economic dependency on the men - at least this is situation in rural area of GVs and I do not think otherwise in case of south of Vindhya...
- Freeing women to join the working population
In the India Today Conclave, NaMo was more than forthright on this issue. He said, that we could double our GDP growth if we allow women to join in. He told about certain schemes in Gujarat which are being carried out be women and how they are managing thousands of crores of money.

Fair Value shops (aka PDS- food grains..) - idea was that women understand the meaning of what goes with family when therer is no food grain and no choolha is burned ..

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 22 Mar 2013 21:03

Theo_Fidel wrote:So lets try this again.
What is the Moditva position on
- Equality of women
- Ending the sex ratio violence
- Freeing women to join the working population

Theo, Honestly I did not expect this from you.
Waiving registration if women owns the property: => Economic empowerment.
http://english.globalgujaratnews.com/ar ... n-gujarat/

Female Security Stats
http://www.tsmg.com/download/reports/We ... _India.pdf

Gujarat is one of the safest place for women.