Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby Prem » 04 May 2013 23:14

Sanku wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Don't miss it.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Amazing, unmissable indeed.


She brought in Ramta !! He should be made Congressi candidate for PM ship to fight with Modi.
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Postby Sushupti » 04 May 2013 23:17

“Next PM of India could be from extreme backward class”

Speaking at Bihar BJP’s extreme backward class state executive meeting, Deputy Chief Minister Sushil Kumar Modi said that the next PM of India could be from extreme backward class. He said current circumstances clearly suggest so.

Sushil Modi said that BJP has given respect to extreme backward class from day one. He gave example of Shivraj Sinh, Uma Bharti, Kalyan Singh and Narendra Modi as party’s leaders from extreme backward class.

He said the last decision on who should be made candidate for the post of PM will be taken by party’s parliamentary board, however the decision would be in favor of a leader who is most popular among party workers and among the people.

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/05/04/next- ... ard-class/

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Postby SwamyG » 05 May 2013 00:21

Has Modi said anything on Caste? I do not think in any of his recent speeches he refers to religion or caste. He has focused on growth and prosperity as a solution to the ills of the country. I am wondering his position on 800lb gorilla in the room.

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Postby RajeshA » 05 May 2013 00:26

India First: The 800lb gorilla in the room would be allowed to prosper and partake in the mainstream without any threat to life or property.

There would however be zero appeasement of or pandering to 800lb gorilla over and above this.

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Postby Pratyush » 05 May 2013 09:07

I am notso sureabout not use the cast of modi. I feel that this single factor has the potential of wiping the castist formulations of SP BSP combo. As such such it ought to be used.

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Postby Muppalla » 05 May 2013 09:41

Per few chaiwaalas, Modi is as good as PM candidate and will be announced anytime soon. Another news is that Bihar BJP will go alone. If Modi is declared, multi-billion dollar wealthy biz persons will all join election fray. Very interesting future :)

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Postby Hari Seldon » 05 May 2013 10:28

^^ Yup, moi too got subtle indications as to that outcome.

This month itself, NM gets appointed chair of the campaign selection committee. Next month, is officially declared BJP's (and not NDA's) PM candidate by Rajnath. The storm that follows will have JD(U) walking out and then (perhaps, hopefully) splitting up. Shiv Sena is asked to come to terms with the decision and with MNS having a role in the anti-UPA front. BJP goes it alone in the east - Odisha, Asom and WB. May tie-up with Sangma in Meghalaya perhaps, and with GJM in Darjeeling.

NM then lays out plan to campaign in MP and Rajasthan polls where, while he carefully avoids any mention of caste, others do it for him. The spillover effects from MP into UP and Bihar must not be underestimated.

Backward Caste consolidation must somehow be extended to Kerala and crucially, AP. I don't know how BJP will play those states at all and whether it should worry so much about them.

In response, we can (and likely will) see INC tying up formally or otherwise with BSP in UP and JDU in Bihar to combat the OBC/MBC messiah from the BJP. Interesting times ahead. Only.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 05 May 2013 11:10

tavleen singh in IE on dynastic sycophancy.

Sycophancy corrodes

Are Sonia Gandhi's sycophants coming home to roost? I ask the question not just because I was attacked on national television last week by one of her toadies, although I admit it gives me a useful peg. Said toady was Mani Shankar Aiyar and he was obnoxious to the point of being crass. But I understand his behaviour. His survival in politics depends on his unreserved, unquestioning devotion to the Gandhi family so he has to exhibit his loyalty any chance he gets.
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It is sycophants that Sonia has placed in high office who are really letting her down at a time when her government is being seen as beleaguered and incompetent. At the top of this list is the Prime Minister. The reason why he was given his job, not once but twice, was because his loyalty to the Gandhi dynasty was absolute. He could be trusted to take the blame for all mistakes and to give credit to the Gandhis for all things good. What neither he nor Sonia noticed was that when you are given charge of running a government, unquestioning loyalty is usually a serious handicap.

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Postby VikramS » 05 May 2013 11:10

Well the judge handling Jafri's plea has been transferred. So this might linger on for some more time.

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Postby Sanku » 05 May 2013 11:48

SwamyG wrote:Has Modi said anything on Caste? I do not think in any of his recent speeches he refers to religion or caste. He has focused on growth and prosperity as a solution to the ills of the country. I am wondering his position on 800lb gorilla in the room.


SwamyG, as I do not get tired of saying, none of Modi's positions, are different from BJP positions, you can take a look at any of his prior position and it is reflective of Sangh/BJP's position. If there is a difference I would be glad if I can be pointed to that so I can correct myself.

Yes I know that there is a perception that Modi's position is some how "stronger" or "better" than BJPs. However, I think that is due to the following reasons

1) His credibility is stronger due to performance in Gujarat.
2) His visibility is higher in media (and the he needs to thank the anti NaMo brigade for that)
3) The fact that BJP has soft launched him, and he is possibly the front runner for PM position in BJP adds all the more focus on him, raising his profile.

But apart from the above reasons, I do not think that he is different or away from sangh in any way. He is probably one of the most disciplined member of the cadre, and lives the ethos truly (it would be difficult for him to be taken credibly if he was not living up to the values that have been the making of his life) -- therefore, to know his position, it is sufficient to know Sangh/BJP position.

Of course he may be the best person to execute that proposition in the Sangh, which is good and which is what we would expect, but his position is not likely to be different from the RSS/BJP position.

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Postby kittoo » 05 May 2013 11:49

Guys can we start a campaign right now to get people, especially urban middle class, to vote in 2014? No matter who they vote for (hoping they would for BJP in most cases), just vote? It will be very crucial for BJP? Any ideas? Of course we all must get our family members and colleagues to vote, but we also need to do more than that.

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Postby amitvora » 05 May 2013 18:52

Question for you learned ones:

How will modi survive the Foreign influence in our elections? My reasoning is laid out below. Everyone knows that the current PM is the weakest and worst PM in Independent India's history. Foreign powers know this as well, including pakistan and China. To take maximum advantage of this scenario, it is in their best interest if the existing PM or party continues. They do not want to see a strong India (hence no strong person like Modi can be elected so their benefits stay) so they will do anything to make sure that Modi and BJP do not get a majority and get elected. They will pump in millions of dollars into India and buy votes for regional parties or for UPA (Christian fundamentalists already pour close to $1million a day into India). It has happened before (when our rulers were weak, the British and Muslim invaders were able to buy us out and ruled us for 250-500 years). I expect China to continue to take as much land as possible (or build infrastructure on the border with India to start a war. I expect Pakistan to create havoc in India by more terrorist attacks. The more unstable India is, more their goal of dividing and conquering India will happen. With current UPA administration, it is a possibility that it will happen.

Please think carefully on it. We have a history of foreigners ruling us when our rulers are weak. Will history repeat itself?

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Postby Supratik » 05 May 2013 19:23

Yes, there are vested interests who do not want a strong nationalist Govt. in India specially someone like NM. They tried to stop Vajpayee too. But that didn't stop NDA from coming to power.

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Postby Sushupti » 05 May 2013 20:21

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Postby Chandragupta » 05 May 2013 20:53

kittoo wrote:Guys can we start a campaign right now to get people, especially urban middle class, to vote in 2014? No matter who they vote for (hoping they would for BJP in most cases), just vote? It will be very crucial for BJP? Any ideas? Of course we all must get our family members and colleagues to vote, but we also need to do more than that.


As a start, shame everyone who hasn't voted & yet cribs. These are the people who will crib & usually say 'all party are corrupt' / 'sab sale chor hain' (everyone's a thief) / 'India ka kuch nai ho sakta' (nothing can happen in India). Tell them and tell them very vehemently that you consider people like them as the reason we are in this cesspool, preferably, with hurt & anger (both justified, of course) in your eyes.

Recently, at a casual interaction with one colleague, quite senior to me both in age & position, started rambling on the Karnataka elections and went on ranting till I very politely asked him who did he vote for in the previous elections. Turned out our man had never voted & feels very strongly about not voting. I then proceeded to give a very sound thrashing, almost to the point of being rude myself, blaming he & his likes for the rampant looting of India by INC. I simply asked him if he considered the 'loot' of 15 crores equal to a loot of '15000000' crore. They will take refuge by saying a thief is a thief, but once you start thrashing them by stripping the INC government naked, they do cower & surrender.

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Postby ramana » 05 May 2013 23:18

Bji, If we apply the Quigley model of seven stages of civilization to the idea of India we see that we are in the Age of Conflict of the model having passed through 1) Mixture: the idea of modern India was formed from the ashes of the Mughal paramountcy (advent of Turks to fall of Mughals ~450 years) 2) Gestation: the period that it took from fall of Mughals to Independence (rm 1750-1947 ie 200 years) 3) Expansion: Absorption of the princely states etc and unfortunate loss of periphery on West and East and South. Due to Vallabh bhai Patel this was very short.

We are in Age of Conflict. It started immediately with J&K invasion in 1947 and continues to date due to indecisiveness of the ruling dispensation.

It is marked by four
chief characteristics: (a) it is a period of declining rate of
expansion; (b) it is a period of growing tension of evolu-
tion and increasing class conflicts, especially in the core
area; (c) it is a period of increasingly frequent and in-
creasingly violent imperialist wars; and (d) it is a period of
growing irrationality, pessimism, superstitions, and other-
worldliness.


Invariably the periphery conquers the core in this stage and leads to Universal Empire(Stage 5). Followed by Age of Decay(6) and age of Invasion (7).

Our hope should be to increase the duration of the Stage Five and keep the others at bay.

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Postby krisna » 06 May 2013 00:27

NaMo as PM material
Ravi Shankar Prasad was heard telling someone on phone that the Prime Minister's Office had got a survey done according to which the BJP would get 250 seats in 2014, with Narendra Modi alone helping the BJP get 200 plus seats. At a press conference on Monday, Prakash Javadekar was talking about the JP moment of the BJP when someone asked him who their JP was. He looked the other way, saying "No comments." Later when another journalist asked him whether Modi was their JP, he stopped and said JP never became PM, indicating that Modi was the party's PM contender.

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Postby krisna » 06 May 2013 00:58

NaMO twitter
After 17yrs, #Congress gets Railway Ministry. Result is a scam ! Does anyone still have a doubt that Congress is the problem ? #Corruption


very astute observations from NaMo.

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Postby krisna » 06 May 2013 01:10

Gujarat Chief Minister’s latest blog post
This year’s book fair is on a larger scale. What I found special about the fair is a separate counter to donate books!Anyone who is visiting the fair can donate books at the counter. During my visit to the book fair, I had the privilege of donating a book on Sardar Patel.

The purpose of this endeavour is to create an atmosphere where books can reach those sections of society where they have either not reached at all or the reach has been slower than what it should be. This is a determination to share the joys of reading and the joys of education with the larger society around us. This effort goes beyond mere budgetary allocations or government programmes, it is about collectively doing something that will have a lasting impact on our society. It is about our values and culture.

I was very delighted to see kiosks for young children at the book fair. Time and again, I have always stressed on the need to inculcate the habit of reading among our youth. Technology and packaging can play a great role in this. We are slowly moving to an age where entire libraries will be available at the click of a mouse! I see a lot of youngsters reading e-books on their tablet computers, on platforms such as Kindle. This is a big opportunity for us and we must integrate technology in making books popular among our youth.

Along with technology, packaging can make an immense difference. Take the case of Panchtantra series. This series became very popular among youngsters because of integration of technology and effective packaging. Even Amar Chitra Kathas have repackaged themselves to strike a chord with youngsters, thus leading to a further rise in their popularity. Infact, in a time when video games draw youngsters more than books, we should think of creating such video games that draw youngsters to read and enjoy books.

There was another initiative that we tried in Gujarat to spread joys of reading. This initiative is the ‘Floating Books Programme,’ where a particular book is shared by a group of friends. Once a person finishes reading it, he or she passes it on to the others. This is both economical as well as increases participation.

Friends, I urge you all to take time off and visit the book fair. I specially urge my young friends to go there, to see the books to interact and encourage the authors and most importantly, to donate as many books as possible. Remember that you are not only donating a book but also giving a life to someone else, you are giving something that is an incarnation of Goddess Saraswati and something that will ignite a spark of curiosity and knowledge in the another mind.

Regards,
Narendra Modi


amazing man fit to be a truly emperor going by his numerous thought process over the years.
pray he becomes PM.

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Postby RajeshA » 06 May 2013 01:59

Control over Modi by the foreign powers would be through the allies, and hence it is of utmost importance that BJP gets maximum seats and the allies simply do not have any leverage over BJP or Modi.

Secondly in order to prepare for the general elections, it is very important that BJP goes around spreading one message: the people should take everything that the parties are offering in terms of goodies, but they should go and vote NDA, and if asked they can say they voted UPA. BJP needs to spread this message starting right away!

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Postby VikramS » 06 May 2013 03:53

kittoo wrote:Guys can we start a campaign right now to get people, especially urban middle class, to vote in 2014? No matter who they vote for (hoping they would for BJP in most cases), just vote? It will be very crucial for BJP? Any ideas? Of course we all must get our family members and colleagues to vote, but we also need to do more than that.


Well start by your friends in college. Start posting regular messages on Facebook.

Crux should be dont blame the system when you are a part of the system and do not exercise your right.
Even if 50% of voters can be bought, the other 50%, can negate their vote.

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Postby RajeshA » 06 May 2013 04:15

Run-up to India's next General Elections starts off right after the Karnataka election results are announced.

It is time for BJP to start becoming more cohesive. There isn't going to be too many open purges but some people in BJP would not remain that powerful after the loss in KA and thus have less of a role in the selection of candidates. Others like NaMo and Rajnath Singh would be playing a more prominent role. But there is going to be not much infighting. That is because basically people have accepted that Modi would be the PM nominee with the crowning still left to be done.

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Postby Pranav » 06 May 2013 06:22

BJP leaders still have hope of getting pelf without NaMo as PM -

At a press conference on Monday, Prakash Javadekar was talking about the JP moment of the BJP when someone asked him who their JP was. He looked the other way, saying "No comments." Later when another journalist asked him whether Modi was their JP, he stopped and said JP never became PM.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/buzzword ... -200-seats


People have hope in Narendra Modi, but leader can be named later: Uma Bharti

In 1977, the Janata Party was formed and got such a huge majority without a declared leader. So Congress should not think it will gain and the BJP's prospects will get hurt if a leader is not projected before elections.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opi ... 904763.cms

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Postby Sushupti » 06 May 2013 07:32

Can you believe this guy is in BJP? No wonder BJP is in $hit hole for last 10 years.

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Postby RamaY » 06 May 2013 07:35

^ didn't get it. Can you pls give some insight?

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Postby Sushupti » 06 May 2013 08:23

RamaY wrote:^ didn't get it. Can you pls give some insight?


Read the replies to his tweet

https://twitter.com/SudheenKulkarni/sta ... 9721263106

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Postby RamaY » 06 May 2013 08:32

Thanks...

Wasn't following the developments. Looks like this is the background.
Hezafat's call for an anti-blasphemy law is aimed at a group of bloggers, online activists and authors they have called "atheists" and accused of denigrating Islam and Mohammed. Online activists who had a pioneering role in organizing the Shahbagh sit-in have denied they are atheists.

The bloggers launched a sit-in campaign at Dhaka's Shahbagh Square in February, demanding a ban on Bangladesh's largest Islamic party, Jamaat-e-Islami. They have also called for the death penalty for Jamaat-e-Islami leaders convicted of war crimes charges that date back to 1971, when Bangladesh won its independence from Pakistan. The party opposed independence.


I have a feeling that SK wanted to lay an TwitIED and it went Prematured-kaboom, like some of paki soosai vests :rotfl:

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Postby vivek.rao » 06 May 2013 08:57

CBI Bansal and Aswin kumar is a precursor to replace MMS with Rahul or some one like Anthony or even Ahmed Patel

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Postby Arjun » 06 May 2013 09:12

Marten wrote:NaMo's presence in BLR made no difference to the result. He should not have shown up here even if it meant giving up on the state.
Unfortunately, MSM will now spin it as a RaGoo victory over NaMo.

I do know this post belongs to the elections thread, but this one is specific to the adjustment made by NaMo to appear in KA. Big error in judgment, imo.

Can we desist from fruitless speculation until the results are declared and analyzed ?

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Postby Pranav » 06 May 2013 09:14

Marten wrote:NaMo's presence in BLR made no difference to the result. He should not have shown up here even if it meant giving up on the state.
Unfortunately, MSM will now spin it as a RaGoo victory over NaMo.

I do know this post belongs to the elections thread, but this one is specific to the adjustment made by NaMo to appear in KA. Big error in judgment, imo.


Hard to say, surveys conducted by the "Chanakya" agency a couple of months back were predicting 140 seats for the Congress ... he may have managed to moderate the margin of the defeat.

And not going to KA at all would have also led to complaints.

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Postby member_20317 » 06 May 2013 09:41

Chandragupta wrote:Recently, at a casual interaction with one colleague, quite senior to me both in age & position, started rambling on the Karnataka elections and went on ranting till I very politely asked him who did he vote for in the previous elections. Turned out our man had never voted & feels very strongly about not voting. I then proceeded to give a very sound thrashing, almost to the point of being rude myself, blaming he & his likes for the rampant looting of India by INC.



Happens all too often. I relish it, mithe-mithe mein halal karne ka chance! A few years back I came across a narration of a Ganesha-Mamaasur sangram where Ganesha gets the upper hand merely by throwing flowers at his opponent, who cannot take the sweet smell of the flower. But in any case you have to realize that all people are at a different stage of their self-exploration. Reserve the megadeath for the Decepticons. No point delivering it to minors. A lot of people have had no option simply because they have had only one type of education. This is measurable within BRF too, where 'BRF is ahead of the curve' is a motto, as in 'whats the motto with you'.


Ok now that the KA elections are likely to hand out the results that were expected, seems like time to move ahead and politely but firmly, ask LKA to accept either retirement or chairman emeritus. And get the new team for KA prepared for the general elections. Whatever the jaati samikaran, KA is morely likely to return Kongis in the general elections. Time to do some fire fighting there. Hope NM gets to sit with Yeddi after the elections and both BJP and Yeddi get to see some reason. Both these guys can still save the general elections.

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Postby Sanku » 06 May 2013 09:59

^^ Yeddi has by now created huge amount of bad blood within local BJP, I don't see how he can be accommodated, his ego was what in the first place ensured that BJP was breaking up withing 1-2 years of his taking power.

BJP should look for other solutions, getting Kumarswamy in their fold might be a better idea, at least with a alliance.

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Postby Virendra » 06 May 2013 10:03

Come to think of it, Modi didn't blast the Govt. too harshly on the Chinese incursion issue.
He knew that with the public opinion against the Govt. on beheadings, Jail killings, scams and then incursion; Con-gress would definitely come up with a peaceful compromise with 'Uncle Chang'. :)
He didn't want to look like a trigger happy fanboy.

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Postby Neela » 06 May 2013 10:13

Marten wrote:NaMo's presence in BLR made no difference to the result. He should not have shown up here even if it meant giving up on the state.
Unfortunately, MSM will now spin it as a RaGoo victory over NaMo.

I do know this post belongs to the elections thread, but this one is specific to the adjustment made by NaMo to appear in KA. Big error in judgment, imo.

Pranav is right . NM not making his appearance in KA would have had its own implications.
As for MSM - they have lost their relevance just like every other Govt institution and most people know it.
Take for e.g B Raman - he now says that #pappu is more popular in south. Easy to say ( for sycophants) but need not necessarily be true .
Fact is in KA, BJP bungled big time and are paying for it.
In fact I can do my own spin and say corruption was a issue in KA and hence BJP lost.Therefore things do not bore well for CONgress in 2014.
Nice to hear that but need not be true

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Postby Yagnasri » 06 May 2013 10:47

Cross post from Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections:

EC has already told that paper trail is not possible in 2014 general elections. It is not required to manupulate all the EVMs. Tamper selectively and you will win. We need to remember the win and lose % is many times is very small. You need to "manage" to the extent of that %. Diggiraja did this in one election to rule MP for 5 more years. It was horrible rule and no one knows how he has won. In the end it was found that starting to voters list every thing was "managed". It did not work the next time though and he lost and INC never recovered in MP. This time I am told they are trying their level best there.

Karnataka - BJP raise is was systamatic and done over period of time and not some sudden waive in 2009. So BJP will remain relevant in Karnataka for some time to come. We also have to remember that there is no anti Congress party with presense in Karnataka now other than BJP. So people who want to vote against or vote out INC in the state has to vote for BJP. Deve Gowda do not have presence in most of the places. Hence we need not write of BJP in the state. % of votes for INC increased 1%. Hence this time there is no pro INC vote. Just BJP lost its 34% vote due to division and lost.

Delhi BJP gang of Anantha Kumar ( he was bood in the meetings in Bangalore and may not win MP seat next time) Sushma Swaraj and LK Advani are resposible for Karnataka lose and need to pay price. No one is saying that they should have kept Yaddi but at the same time every welwisher of BJP warned them to treat Yaddi well and keep him in good humour. They were not ready to do that and are now lost of state for BJP.

One more thing - Karnataka since 1977 voted against national treand so INC in Delhi may be on its way out by that treand.

End Cross post.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Hari Seldon » 06 May 2013 11:41

After the KA loss, time for NM-Rajnath to formally take over the reins of power in the BJP and sideline the trio of LKA-SS-Anant Kr responsible for the party's breakup in the state.

The KA results following the HP result where a corrupt Virabhadra came to power clearly shows that corruption is not an issue in the polls. Good governance can be. however.

Seems EC needs 4-6 months to prepare for general elections. SO earliest INC can call for polls is around October 20134 after dissolving parl post monsoon session. However, I don;t see *any* reason why INC will want to going for early polls. They won the polls in 2009 and that is a full 5 year license to loot after all. No?

The corruption cases in a suddenly spine-enabled CBI against sitting UPA mantris reeks of suspicion. It seems more like an oust-=MMS campaign than anything else. Can only hope MMS fights back slyly, in the interest of self-preservation. Only.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Sanku » 06 May 2013 11:49

Hari Seldon wrote:After the KA loss, time for NM-Rajnath to formally take over the reins of power in the BJP and sideline the trio of LKA-SS-Anant Kr responsible for the party's breakup in the state.

The KA results following the HP result where a corrupt Virabhadra came to power clearly shows that corruption is not an issue in the polls. Good governance can be. however.


There is no central issue, no one issue will win or lose polls, it is battle of trenches.

Also the reason why BJP failed in Kkta was because BJP was never strong enough in Kkta, it was cobbled together by BJP through less than good means to create a structure based which was fragile, unfortunately instead of handling that, Yeddi let it break up through his ego.

The blame for breaking BJP in Kkta is Yeddi and Yeddi alone, the credit, through however shady means, of getting a BJP in power belongs to Sushma Swaraj/Advani and others in Delhi -- unfortunately, as this shows, nothing Delhi can do will work if there is no strong local party structure.

The challenge of BJP central structure (and this is where Nitin Gadakari was excellent) -- is to build up the party, ward by ward, district by district and state by state. That is the only solution.

Being dependent on one person, even if Na Mo is just a very very bad idea.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Sushupti » 06 May 2013 11:53

Sanku wrote:^^ Yeddi has by now created huge amount of bad blood within local BJP, I don't see how he can be accommodated, his ego was what in the first place ensured that BJP was breaking up withing 1-2 years of his taking power.

BJP should look for other solutions, getting Kumarswamy in their fold might be a better idea, at least with a alliance.


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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Sanku » 06 May 2013 11:57

^^

If he was embarrassed by SS (supposedly) when did Yeddi show traits of a CM initially? For the first day in office while swearing in ? And how about rest of the Kkta BJP which was up in arms against his high handed ways, within a year?

In any case he WAS made the CM through Delhi and the money from Ramulu-Reddy, he is a politician, there are better ways to work around difficult situations than fight with everyone while indulging in corruption yourself.

I dont get the "sympathy" for a person who has single handedly back-stabbed his entire team?

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby merlin » 06 May 2013 12:25

Marten wrote:NaMo's presence in BLR made no difference to the result. He should not have shown up here even if it meant giving up on the state.
Unfortunately, MSM will now spin it as a RaGoo victory over NaMo.

I do know this post belongs to the elections thread, but this one is specific to the adjustment made by NaMo to appear in KA. Big error in judgment, imo.


Wont be much of a leader if he shies away from a fight now, will he? At least not in my book.


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