Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 May 2013 07:27

Is This The Party Of Indira Or Sonia Where You Can’t Question Leaders?’

Who else besides Advaniji are you upset with?

Sushmaji is a great disappointment. When many of us heard her in 1996 when she spoke in Parliament during the confidence vote, we had great expectations of her. But now she has left no reason for us to respect her. In Karnataka, they ask about the way she promoted the Reddy brothers. She patched up with Sonia Gandhi only because she would have also got into trouble along with the Reddy brothers. There should be a debate in the party on her whole role and activities.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?285610

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 29 May 2013 07:54

RoyG wrote:Modi WILL be projected. Amit Shah has already taken over UP campaign. Who the f*ck else is there who can pull in the votes?

Isn't it better to be a tall leader in the opposition, getting some rent and some crumbs and some publicity by paid media, than to be exposed as a zero under Modi's leadership.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 29 May 2013 10:25

Didn't SS also mentioned somewhere that some folks in BJP would be happy to see a candidate losing in hope of getting the ticket next time rather than let him/her win and occupy the seat during next election too.

Anyways the ground opinion (atleast in Delhi) is that both BJP and Congress makes money irrespective of who is in Power. So just because Congress is declared as Rome of Corruption doesn't mean that BJP is perceived as Milk white "unfortunately"

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 May 2013 10:25

In pictures: The past, present and future of Narendra Modi

http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2013/05/2 ... ndra-modi/

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 29 May 2013 13:32

More common-sensical moves from namo - will reduce smuggling, racketeering, organized criminality and all those things in a stroke.
Gujarat eases liquor norms, tourists to get permit on arrival at airport

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 29 May 2013 15:38

Scores and scores of congress cadre is joining BJP in Gujarat. It will be interesting to see if Dinesh Patel (Union cabinet minister) also joins BJP.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 29 May 2013 15:54

^^^
Onlee if the NDA wins 2014. Not before.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 29 May 2013 15:55

Hari Seldon wrote:More common-sensical moves from namo - will reduce smuggling, racketeering, organized criminality and all those things in a stroke.
Gujarat eases liquor norms, tourists to get permit on arrival at airport

Good move. Slowly and steadily the gates of the palace are being pounded and taken down.

Went to the gujurat tourism site to check if the permit is available online. Could not locate it. It seems that it is a physical form filing thing to be done at the airport.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 29 May 2013 18:31

Slowly the game of INC is unfolding in respect of INC. Blame MMS for everything "bad" and Sonia and Rahul for every thing "good" ( like stupid right to food act etc) See thig news item.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 328000.cms

The work under magnrega is provided at public money with no checks and balances and no pubic assets are being created by it and almost 200000 Cr lost in the drain. Yet this lady blames MMS. It is as if Sonia has no resposibility for things happening in the governament. Does Mafia thinks we are all stupid.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2013 19:59

Ram Jethmalani is hardly an asset. He did his utmost to ensure the laws remain the same both under Janata party (1977) and NDA (1998) govt. The guy is status quo stooge to keep the system in place. And to boot he has no scruples as he defends the worst criminals for he knows he is the system and wont pay the price.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 29 May 2013 20:27

ramana wrote:Ram Jethmalani is hardly an asset. He did his utmost to ensure the laws remain the same both under Janata party (1977) and NDA (1998) govt. The guy is status quo stooge to keep the system in place. And to boot he has no scruples as he defends the worst criminals for he knows he is the system and wont pay the price.

100% correct. As far as BJP internal game is concerned, Jethmalani was used by Advani and co to outst and screw gadkari. RSS hated him for that and for 1000 other issues. He knew that he needed some other pillar in BJP to remain relevant, so he started supporting modi. But modi never cared (and rightly so) for this unscrupulous piece of shit. Now RSS has forced advani and co to shut up and hence the jethmalani outster. Modi never goes public on things, so jethmalani is trying to gather support from modi to remain relevant.

The best thing modi can do (and has done this very well so far) is to be as neutral as possible in this whole rss-advani-gadkari tussle. His whole game is just to win the election and not embroiled in this useless factional war. Rajnath wants the same this time and that is why they are buddies now.

As far as BJP not declaring anyone, that is not going to happen. Rajnath openly said 2 things yesterday in the press

1. He is not in the race for PM post
2. BJP WILL announce a PM candidate soon

In my opinion, Jethmalani's exit is Advani's loss. RSS is slowly cutting the old man. They are smart enough not to put a PM nominee other than Modi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2013 20:39

Lets not see through prisms. I think RJ out is good as he makes outrageous statements with out caring for who it damages. So if he is true to form he can can't hurt.

My suspicion about his agenda is from obesrving over the two govts. He did nothing to dismantle the bad laws when he could. His induction was to assure the rascals the system will be kept in place.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 29 May 2013 22:41

Going to give lot of Taqleef (grief) to Dynasty and its devotees in all parties including BJP.

Tender process for ‘Statue of Unity’ likely to start next month

http://deshgujarat.com/2013/05/29/tende ... ext-month/

Yogesh · Post by **Yogesh** » 29 May 2013 22:43

^^ Well ramana, it would be foolish to rule RNS out just yet- he is a master at jugad stuff (those familiar with GV politics would agree with this)..his terms when he had a free hand in working education minster/CM/union Agri min were pretty decent. Yes he may not be too suave (in-fact till late 90's was more jingoistic!!) JMT

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 May 2013 22:55

Yogesh,

Who is RNS? I was talking about Ram Jethmalani(RJ).

BhairavP · Post by **BhairavP** » 29 May 2013 23:01

RNS - Rajnath Singh.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 29 May 2013 23:06

CBI now trying to probe IB input wrt Ishrat Jahan case. They wouldn't be doing so if they thought Modi didn't have a good shot at PM. They will try to pin something on him and make him sit out of the race.

Yogesh · Post by **Yogesh** » 30 May 2013 01:01

Ramana,

oh ok.. I thought you were referring to what Bhairav pointed..agree RJ fellow has been too mercurial & nonsensical at times. Nonetheless what I said on RNS also to be kept in mind (he made some statement few days back that he is out of race or something like that) but I won't rule him out yet..

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 30 May 2013 07:56

RoyG wrote:CBI now trying to probe IB input wrt Ishrat Jahan case. They wouldn't be doing so if they thought Modi didn't have a good shot at PM. They will try to pin something on him and make him sit out of the race.

They want Modi's head no matter what. Ishrat or some hardcore terrorist ...

Wonder how they get away with scores of encounters in AP, MH, etc. No Indian even asks that question also...

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 30 May 2013 11:37

In a way CBI probing IB input is a good thing as, the IB is a central body. Any input from it automatically exonorates Amit Shah.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 30 May 2013 13:38

BhairavP wrote:RNS - Rajnath Singh.

It will be nice if posters can spell out the names rather than using shorthand. Many times, I read the posts and can't comprehend who is the person being talked about.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 30 May 2013 16:41

Let us not hope anything positive happens from CBI probing IB. Records etc can be created manupulated and removed in IB also. The main aim is to fix Namo. There may not be an arrest of Namo (are they that stupid??? I am not sure) with D4 keeping quite at critical period. But there will be some big paid media allegations and motivated "secular" and jhola agitations.

Let us hope they do not liquidate Modi. One can never tell.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 30 May 2013 16:53

^^ correct. There won't be any convictions based on cooked up evidence. It is just using paid media, they can make wild allegations. The paid media fiberals around the world keep repeating lies in every international forum to legitimize lies. The LeT terrorists and extortion become innocent victims.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 May 2013 19:06

Son of late Bhajan Lal and President of Haryana Janhit Congress Kuldeep Bishnoi after meeting with Modi.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 30 May 2013 20:43

Sushupti, Please add a short description of the video link. It doesnt help if blind link is posted. Thanks, ramana

disha · Post by **disha** » 30 May 2013 22:07

Sushupti wrote:

Short summarization: Haryana Janhit Cong. Leader (Mr. Bishnoi) met Modi and was pointing out that Modi is a legend in his own right and nation needs leader like him and he should lead the nation. He has become a mascot for developnment to the point where in villages of Haryana, they are asking for development as Modi did in Guj. His sons studying economics in London point out to him that India needs Modi as the leader to make it developed.

Personal note: 1. There is ample recognition that CONGis have failed, they want Modi. 2. Modi is trying to break through the "vote bank" barriers created by CONGis. 3. Modi is a recognized brand name for "development" (which is euphemism for bijli, sadak, pani, employment, opportunities, better governance).

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 30 May 2013 22:33

^^^, minor correction, he openly said everyone wants Modi to be the PM (a little different from leader, considering the confusion that this issue has created in all circles).

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 30 May 2013 22:37

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/congr ... 28879.html

Congress should stop misusing institutions like CBI: Modi

“Congress should see the clear writing on the wall. You will not succeed in capturing the country by misusing CBI. Stop misusing constitutional institutions like CBI,” Modi said at a function, where a large group of Youth Congress and NSUI workers joined BJP.

“Today people have lost faith in Delhi… In coming days we have by-elections in the state and next year there will be general elections. Congress will pay the price for its misdeeds then,” he said.

Bye-elections to four Assembly and two Lok Sabha seats in the state would be held on 2 June.

“I am warning you. Stop harassing your opponents by threatening to put them behind bars. You may have the power to harass, but we have ability to sustain such harassment,” Modi said.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 31 May 2013 00:16

disha wrote: Short summarization: Haryana Janhit Cong. Leader (Mr. Bishnoi) met Modi and was pointing out that Modi is a legend in his own right and nation needs leader like him and he should lead the nation. He has become a mascot for developnment to the point where in villages of Haryana, they are asking for development as Modi did in Guj. His sons studying economics in London point out to him that India needs Modi as the leader to make it developed.

Personal note: 1. There is ample recognition that CONGis have failed, they want Modi. 2. Modi is trying to break through the "vote bank" barriers created by CONGis. 3. Modi is a recognized brand name for "development" (which is euphemism for bijli, sadak, pani, employment, opportunities, better governance).

This is pretty important development. Janhit cong is what BJP is planning to go for an alliance in Haryana. Sushma is going to Haryana to make her Haryanvi mark and had addresses couple of rallies with HJC. Inspite of all that he cameout in support of Modi.

It started with BJD and then SAD and then to Raj T and them one by one are joining Modi bandwagon. JJ has already expressed her preference to Modi.

The folks remaining are UPA, Nitish, Advani and Sushma.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 31 May 2013 11:20

Modi and the fear of an unappetising choice
The temptation to vote for prosperity and good governance must be tempered by the imperative to keep India united and secular

This Gurucharan Das dude has been such a disappointment -- he is singing like a Congress canary.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 31 May 2013 16:08

http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130531.htm

The people of Surat motivated and supported Asthana to build a command and control centre equipped with the state-of-art technology partly imported from Israel and the United States to improve surveillance in the city, to improve safety of its 50 lakh people and have better traffic management.

The command and control room, active 24X7, was inaugurated by Modi in January. A visit to the centre is a unique experience with its state-of-the-art 280-square-foot video wall, bought from Delta Displays, for the first-ever 'safe city project' in India. The video wall is powered with next-gen LEDs beaming video images from the CCTV network spread all over the city.

Today Surat has 104 cameras at 23 locations, mainly at entry and exit points, at the airport, railway stations, bus stands, main markets, and at all main traffic junctions. The spots were decided after the survey by a private agency. What is shot in real-time by the high-tech cameras with high density resolutions, provided by Verint Systems, is visible constantly on the huge wall.

The tender was won by Surat-based Innovative Telecom & Software, which is expected to implement the five-phase project which will see deployment of 5,000 surveillance cameras at more than 500 locations to cover 150 square km of city. It is a fine example of police-public-private partnership.

The historic city handles more than 85 percent of rough diamonds in the world providing employment to more than 5 lakh people and generating a turnover of over Rs 80,000 crore.

The first phase, which was to be completed in 12 months, was done in four months to save money. The command and control room has an ultra-modern fire protection system and steps have been taken against power and software failures. The IBM server has storage capacity of 240 terra bytes.

Under the project, Surat city will have 2D city mapping to help in case of fire, provide physical security and also to measure the water levels, and in case of a disaster, help excavation plans.

The entire exercise is designed to be battle ready if a Mumbai-type terrorist attack takes place in Surat. The command and control system area has one special designated room for emergency conferences. The room has a screen which will provide real time footage for the decision-makers of elite anti-terror forces in case of an emergency.

Asthana says, "It's a very good tool in hands of my men." The detection of traffic violations has increased manifold. More than 600 chalans are sent monthly by reviewing the video footage. Once the review of footage gets streamlined, the Surat police is expected to send ten times more chalans for traffic violations. In fact the chalan goes to the violators with the photos taken by the cameras.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 31 May 2013 17:01

After Gujarat, Modi fan club makes inroads into UP

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 31 May 2013 17:14

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 766807.ece

Modi sets tongues wagging in U.P.

a senior Congress leader said his party was looking to cash in on Muslims, who are “currently disenchanted with the Samajwadi Party [SP].” With the direct entry of Mr. Modi, the leader believes, Muslims would polarise much more fiercely to ensure a Congress win at the Centre. Notably, in the recent past, in U.P., while the Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) and the SP engage in a two-way tussle for power in the Assembly elections, in the general election, the Congress manages to win as many seats as them.

member_26147 · Post by **member_26147** » 31 May 2013 23:30

ranjbe wrote:Swamyji's arguments make sense in theory. However, it is not the principle of having dynastic rule that is being questioned, it is the qualifications of the dynasty itself. Any dispassionate reading on the Nehru-Gandhi clan brings up the following facts:
Motilal was the patriach and also the most successful of the clan, in the sense that although he was not educated in Western institutions, but was a very successful lawyer and became rich.
Motilal wanted Jawaharlal to join the ICS. He was sent to school in England (Harrow) in order that he get a head-start. Jawaharlal got a lower-second class degree from Cambridge, and knew he would never pass the ICS exam. More academically gifted (and poorer) cousins of his, such as RK Nehru and Kaul went to Allahbad University to get their first degree, and then took a loan to go to England, where they passed their ICS after getting first-class degrees from Oxbridge. Jawaharlal came back as a lawyer and was unsuccessful in his practice, before he joined politics.
Indira failed to pass her entrance exams to Oxford.
Rajiv tried to get a bachelors degree in Cambridge and then Imperial College. He failed in his efforts. He decided to become a pilot and then became PM, because what else, he was the Yuvraj. Sanjay was so poor in his studies that college was never an option for him.
Sonia had a high-school diploma and went to England to improve her English. She worked as an 'au pair' girl and waitress to support herself. She met and married Yuvraj and her fortune changed.
Current Yuvraj went to St. Stephen's on an athletic scholarship (?), then to a 'no-name' college in Florida. However, he defintely has a Masters degree from Cambridge (Cambridge is sure of this; as they are sure of Benazir's degree) in developmental economics (whatever that means).
One admits that academic skills are not prerequisite for being a successful politician. However, the degree of mediocrity in this family for generations makes one ask the obvious question: Where would they have been had they not being born where they were? What if Jawaharlal had been SDRE rather than TFTA? What if Sonia was a Nigerian instead of a gori, gori Italian? and so on, and so on...

Bravo! Thanks and Kudos for this post! The same applies to most elected representatives and the argument then becomes: Is India really democratic? If so, why do these people get elected? Why do people in India vote for scraps like a piece of blanket or a meal or two? Why don't they think about the future and how to improve it? Why do they give up so easily?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 01 Jun 2013 01:51

Twitter: #ModiFyingIndia

Today there was a concert by the group!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 01 Jun 2013 04:18

FAKE SETUP for FAKE GANDHI in Maharashtra.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 01 Jun 2013 09:09

Spoken with a person from Delhi with "inside knowledge" of the pariwar and Modi will be PM candidate and only timing is the question. That is all. Let us hope nothing changes from now to then.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 01 Jun 2013 10:13

Narayana Rao wrote:Spoken with a person from Delhi with "inside knowledge" of the pariwar and Modi will be PM candidate and only timing is the question. That is all. Let us hope nothing changes from now to then.

If the anti-Modi camp succeed in delaying, their bargaining position will improve, because it will be too late for any political reorganization prior to 2014.

So best strategy for Advani & Co is to dither until say Jan 2014, at which point of time the brute majority on the parliamentary board can be used to shove Modi aside. Then it will be too late for Modi to do anything.

Thus for Advani & Co, delaying Modi means more than half the battle is already won. They just need to keep making some encouraging statements from time to time to give feeble-minded pro-Modi people some hope, and bide their time till early 2014. Most folks are happy to avoid confrontation and are only too eager to believe anything that will give them some hope.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 01 Jun 2013 10:40

pranav,

Why is a self-professed AAP fan like your noble self concerning yourself with the sh1tty nitty gritty of the communal fascist beejaypee? Heck, you seem to be more urge-ingly and urgently pro-modi than most on a pro-modi dhaga ... what gives, I wonder....

Sincerely,
Hari

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 01 Jun 2013 10:57

Pranav wrote: If the anti-Modi camp succeed in delaying, their bargaining position will improve, because it will be too late for any political reorganization prior to 2014.

So best strategy for Advani & Co is to dither until say Jan 2014, at which point of time the brute majority on the parliamentary board can be used to shove Modi aside. Then it will be too late for Modi to do anything.

Thus for Advani & Co, delaying Modi means more than half the battle is already won. They just need to keep making some encouraging statements from time to time to give feeble-minded pro-Modi people some hope, and bide their time till early 2014. Most folks are happy to avoid confrontation and are only too eager to believe anything that will give them some hope.

All of the above is pure conjecture from Pranav.
As far as internal BJP happenings goes - Pranav knows nothing.
What he has failed to do is to have a disclaimer written - which is what normal honest people do. Without such a disclaimer, I personally would classify his post as devious & fraudulent. This is in line with AAP's members who are dishonest and opportunists.