Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 25 Jun 2013 04:31

ashashi wrote:
Muppalla wrote: He controlled Modi from becoming Bal Thakrey type talk and was instrumental in telling him not to get banned by Supreme Court due to utterances in that period of time.
We are talking 2012 elections, but Modi traded "hum panch, hamara pachees" type of rhetoric for development agenda several years even before 2007 elections.

presstitiutes blew this type of statements out of proprotions. he said it with context to the prevailing situation then.
Modinama series is a good start for the unknown.

he said during the refugee camps for muslims where there were lot of rapes etc and lot of other issues. I dont recall at present.

these were utilised by jholawalahs NGOs briagdes to run down the efforts of state admisntration- not to close down the camps.
he wanted to close down , create more conducive conditons for their return homes which was more safer than the camps which was the right thing to do.

the pressititues/congis naturally blanked the convenient parts.
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same with mian musharaff and ahmed patel statements.
he used repeatedly against musharraf- which should not be an issue at all.
but for ahmed patel he used sparingly at 1-2 places where he had given speeches etc - NaMo said it in front of muslims included.

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ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Jun 2013 04:51

Looking at how the rise of NaMo was handled appears

BJP has become party with differences instead of party with a difference.

And the persistence of elders in politics makes India

No Country for the Young.

Can thank the leadership for both the conclusions.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 25 Jun 2013 04:58

Sushupti wrote:Narendra Modi reacts to Congress's CBI threats

WOW!! Modi is really p!$$ed off.
Is it because of the he has some information about the impending CBI charge sheet?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Jun 2013 04:59

I won't be surprised if some here call UK calamity and BJP losing last election there as foresight of D4 gang.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 25 Jun 2013 05:01

presstitiutes blew this type of statements out of proprotions. he said it with context to the prevailing situation then.
Modinama series is a good start for the unknown.

A good politician never gives ammunition to the opposition. Modi hasnt give any ammunition to the press and congis in the last 7-8 years. Show how much he has grown as a politician.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Jun 2013 05:42

ramana wrote: BJP has become party with differences instead of party with a difference.

Superb.

Meanwhile Modi directly "talks" to CBI.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jun 2013 06:35

^or they internalizing the external difference projection. did they transpose their internal problems as positive external "with a difference" party? nothing will spring sudden.. the seeds must have been planted long time back, and the jail break happens only when a trigger happens or environment is conducive for it., like they say, it was always expected to pop when one some one really points the differences.

Modi was already different some eons back.. he only became more different. Advani remains (meaning with the hidden differences within himself), but appears to be less different now to many who expect him to take the non-irritant path.

The fact is, the ruptures are always good, to reveal the true inner-differences, and robustness of a party system.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 25 Jun 2013 06:39

Shivraj also seems to be somewhat unhappy -

"Madhya Pradesh will also take the responsibility of rebuilding the Kedarnath temple complex, but this is not the time to discuss about it," Chouhan said at the BJP headquarters. ...

"When the party and Modi ji is expressing genuine concern towards the building up of Kedarnath temple complex to carry forward ideological prism of Hindutva, Chouhan should have kept mum," said a senior Member of Parliament who refused to be identified.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shiv ... 85117.html

Previously (before Goa meeting) -

Shivraj Singh Chouhan ... calls L K Advani tallest leader - http://www.indianexpress.com/news/shivr ... DvsHF.dpuf

IMO Shivraj needs to go the extra mile to reassure cadres that he fully supports NaMo as PM.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Jun 2013 06:44

Namo sounded very scary in parts of that speech. Cbi people have to clearly make a decision now, because he makes it clear he will hunt down and not spare any of the paid congi hounds if he gets a chance later.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jun 2013 06:46

yeah.. he calls it congress bureau of inv.. interesting times ahead.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 Jun 2013 07:07

Singha wrote:Namo sounded very scary in parts of that speech. Cbi people have to clearly make a decision now, because he makes it clear he will hunt down and not spare any of the paid congi hounds if he gets a chance later.

I agree. They will have to pin something on him soon. He is preemptively charging the atmosphere to put pressure on Congress.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 25 Jun 2013 07:07

Pranav wrote:Shivraj also seems to be somewhat unhappy -

"Madhya Pradesh will also take the responsibility of rebuilding the Kedarnath temple complex, but this is not the time to discuss about it," Chouhan said at the BJP headquarters. ...

"When the party and Modi ji is expressing genuine concern towards the building up of Kedarnath temple complex to carry forward ideological prism of Hindutva, Chouhan should have kept mum," said a senior Member of Parliament who refused to be identified.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shiv ... 85117.html

Chouhan is right. Modi should not talk on behalf of only Gujarat anymore. I am sure he will grow into the new role in the next few weeks/months.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 25 Jun 2013 07:10

I don't think he can otherwise until he is named a candidate.

nawabs · Post by **nawabs** » 25 Jun 2013 07:16

Pranav wrote:Shivraj also seems to be somewhat unhappy -

"Madhya Pradesh will also take the responsibility of rebuilding the Kedarnath temple complex, but this is not the time to discuss about it," Chouhan said at the BJP headquarters. ...

"When the party and Modi ji is expressing genuine concern towards the building up of Kedarnath temple complex to carry forward ideological prism of Hindutva, Chouhan should have kept mum," said a senior Member of Parliament who refused to be identified.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/shiv ... 85117.html
Previously (before Goa meeting) -

Shivraj Singh Chouhan ... calls L K Advani tallest leader - http://www.indianexpress.com/news/shivr ... DvsHF.dpuf

IMO Shivraj needs to go the extra mile to reassure cadres that he fully supports NaMo as PM.

This is the same Shivraj who, as soon as he could, had made it clear that Modi is the No 1 leader and he lies at No. 3 spot. I don't think he needs to make it any more clear. As for his offer to reconstruct Kedarnath temple(if it is true), why do we need to see it as rebuff to Modi's offer? Should the MP Gov. start limiting itself from taking any welfare initiatives just for the sake of making sure Modi's preeminence in the BJP as shown by Media is maintained? Because the media will continue to hunt to show divisions between BJP camp. So it's better to work with a positive mindset than be at defensive everytime media makes a noise. It is good to see that BJP Govs are taking such steps and offering help. What matters, at the end, is Shivraj knows that his time will come later and he has already made it clear.

Sealing everyone's mouth in BJP (except Kulkarni types) is not going to elp in the face of media which will see that action to as discontent against Modi. Work positively, that's all I want to say.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 25 Jun 2013 07:29

Prasad wrote:I don't think he can otherwise until he is named a candidate.

The fact he is leading a national election campaign is reason enough for him to talk on behalf of the entire nation. If Modi needs to separate himself and BJP from the congress, then he should talk on behalf of BJP.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 25 Jun 2013 07:37

ashashi wrote:WOW!! Modi is really p!$$ed off.
Is it because of the he has some information about the impending CBI charge sheet?

Pissed off indeed. The CBI henchmen of congress better think twice. When the time comes they might not be able to run away with their families to foreign countries along with the termite queen and her family. Modi is not the type that forgets or forgives (not traitors anyway).

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 25 Jun 2013 07:41

Think about the other angle.. pinning down modi to gujarat onlee discussion. sope, CBI option is the best option for them now.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Jun 2013 10:46

Pranav wrote:Shivraj also seems to be somewhat unhappy -
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Yeah everyone is fighting everyone else in BJP, didnt you get the note that Congress has circulated internally?

There was an attempt to show Parrikar vs Modi (after Parrikars clear cut endorsement that too)

Once your heart is set of creating FUD --> you can pick up anything and flog it to death as a issue of differences.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Jun 2013 10:59

ashashi wrote: You are confusing roles of BJP office bearers..

No I am informing you on the concept that there are office bearers in BJP and what their roles are, till now, you were not even aware what AJ did in Gujarat. So please don't try and claim otherwise.

Also you want to give the credit for Guj victories to Modi and blame 2009 solely on AJ, now while that is convenient to a particular world view, it makes no logical sense in general.

AJ is indeed one of the best strategist and back room people in BJP and that is seen in a string of victories, of course 2009 was lost when he was main back room person, but that hardly means that he is bad back room person, if he was so, he would not be put it, so Pramod Mahajan and Arjun Jaitely are both feted and maligned for being uber wheeler dealers. Which was the original point that you did not know who or what AJ was.

Modi has been both a back room boy and a mass leader and unlike AJ in 2009, will also be the "face" of the campaign, so comparison of 2014 Modi with 2009 AJ is invalid, since AJ roles was only back room, but Modi is going to go beyond.

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 25 Jun 2013 11:14

N V Sundaram ‏@nurani49v 9m
Information filtering out from Guptkashi that #Pappu was greeted with "Rahul Gandhi Murdabad"

from twitter.

Sagrawal · Post by **Sagrawal** » 25 Jun 2013 11:46

M Joshi wrote:N V Sundaram ‏@nurani49v 9m
Information filtering out from Guptkashi that #Pappu was greeted with "Rahul Gandhi Murdabad"

from twitter.

OT, I hope someone capture the video on their mobile phone and uploado on youtube.

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 25 Jun 2013 16:21

@DrManishKumar1
"Rahul Gandhi Murdabad" is only thing that can be heard in Guptkashi. Ppl protesting against Rahul in Guptkashi. Let see what happens next?

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 25 Jun 2013 16:23

Dr. Manish Kumar ‏@DrManishKumar1 4h
Reports of Blue Breeze Chopper Charter Service charged Rs 2lac/person & Rs 1lac/ deadbody in uttarakhand: owner of the Company Robert Vadra.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 25 Jun 2013 16:46

https://twitter.com/Ramprasadjetty/stat ... 56/photo/1

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Jun 2013 16:48

High praise for NaMo from Sangma

Narendra Modi is like Atal Bihari Vajpayee minus secular credentials: P A Sangma

"Modi has tremendous capacities and will power to transform... he is a good administrator but the only drawback is his non-secular credentials," he said. "His qualities resemble (Atal Bihari) Vajpayee. He has proved his abilities in Gujarat but when it comes to lead the nation, if at all BJP-led NDA comes to power in 2014, it will be a great challenge for him...he will be more concerned about good governance," Sangma told PTI in an interview.

On 2002 Godhra riots haunting Modi, Sangma said, "When country can forget the demolition of Babri Masjid, people will also forget the Godhra riots." "India has enormous capacity to absolve crises," he said on the Babri issue.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 25 Jun 2013 17:13

Pushpesh Punt and Shankar Prasad tear down Congress and Abhishek Manu Sanghvi. Words like disgusting and ambulance chaser are used to describe Congress. Finally, people are opening their eyes. Debate starts at about 20 min mark.

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/401511/wat ... aubey.html

M Joshi · Post by **M Joshi** » 25 Jun 2013 19:00

What re the chances of NAMO contesting for LS from Raibareilly or Amethi?

jagga · Post by **jagga** » 25 Jun 2013 19:31

Wow onlee, Doesn't look like normal sarkari office in India. Modi is amazing. Apologies if posted earlier.
Swarnim Sankul-I: Narendra Modi's Rs 150 crore office

In April, Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, moved into a new office in the capital Gandhinagar. Built at a cost of Rs 150 crore and spread across 35,000 sq ft, the four-storey building has been unofficially dubbed as "North Block", not in the least because of Modi's prime ministerial ambitions.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 25 Jun 2013 19:38

jagga wrote:Dr. Manish Kumar ‏@DrManishKumar1 4h
Reports of Blue Breeze Chopper Charter Service charged Rs 2lac/person & Rs 1lac/ deadbody in uttarakhand: owner of the Company Robert Vadra.

Behold, the real 'Maut Ka Saudagar'

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 25 Jun 2013 19:56

A 10-Step Program for India’s Economy - Jim O'Neill on Bloomberg

Jim O'Neill is the person who coined the term BRIC. He is giving Burnol movements for Sickular Gang aka SG.

Last week, I made a quick visit to see the chief minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi. He’d asked me to give a presentation on how India could realize its still-enormous potential. I went through points I’d first discussed in a paper I co-wrote with Tushar Poddar in 2008: Ten Things for India to Achieve its 2050 Potential. It’s striking to me that, five years later, our recommendations don’t need revising. (They do need elaborating, and I’ll get into more detail in an updated study and further columns. Modi and I are planning a conference of experts before the end of this year.)

I’ll state no opinion on Modi’s chances of becoming prime minister after next year’s general election -- it has been announced that he’ll lead the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party’s campaign. He’s a controversial figure. Detractors call him a sectarian extremist. I will say this: He’s good on economics, and that’s one of the things India desperately needs in a leader.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 25 Jun 2013 20:59

Gujarat CM forced to act by home folks

But, aides say, he was forced to act more by the deluge of appeals to his office from relatives of hundreds of Gujaratis who were stranded than by any impulse, as his critics say, to hog the limelight.

Also, they said the "Rambo" tag was a media creation than any spin doctoring by his officials or social network fans.

However, it’s also true that in any crisis, Modi has found people in his state besiege him or his office for quick help - whether it involved those stranded in war-torn Libya in February 2011, Gujaratis held hostages in Lakshadweep in October 2011, or diamond merchants languishing in a jail in South China's Shenzhen city. After which, the Gujarat CM was seen swing into action, moving to free them.

"That is his image and people frantically call up for help," said an official. "This time, those stranded in Kedarnath shrine and other places which are high on any Gujarati religious schedule called up.

After the Somnath temple, it is the most sacred place for Gujaratis. Also, Gujaratis make up for at least 25% of at least three lakhs who vist the four dhams every summer. As his nature, Modi does not sit back and wait for things to happen at an official level. He always follows it up in person to prevent any foul-up."

Modi got the first spate of distress phone calls and alerts on his social media on June 17 late night. By next day, Modi instructed help to be organised in Dehra Dun and his government's control rooms came up in Ahmedabad, Delhi and Dehra Dun where a batch of Gujarat officers sent. Local BJP unit was also sounded to help people.

Aides said on June 19 when Modi was in Delhi to attend a Planning Commission meet, distress appeals shot up, which forced him to speak to his counterpart, Vijay Bahuguna.

Modi followed up his telephonic talk with a letter to the Uttarakhand CM expressing his "appreciation" for the Bahuguna government's efforts to rescue people. Modi informed him that "a large number of people of Gujarat needed help. My officials are in touch with officers of Uttarkhand."

He announced Rs. 2 crore aid to the state, which was later supplemented by gift of another Rs. 3 crore, for relief operations.

As distress calls mounted alarmingly for the next three days, Modi informed the Uttarkhand CM that he was coming to Dehradun to oversee Gujarat government arrangements for the rescued people.

After an aerial trip to see the extent of devastation, Modi offered his government's experience and help in the restoration of the centuries-old Kedarnath shrine, which was later, of course, turned down by Bahuguna.

As details of stranded Gujaratis began to pour his office back home, Modi offered to organise some private helicopters for Uttarakhand's rescue efforts, which were politely turned down by Bahuguna.

Meantime, his aides made got five aircraft and a number of buses and vans to be ready to evacuate people who are rescued by the Uttarakhand administration and to return to Ahmedabad.

"No Gujarat chopper was involved in any rescue bid," said the aide.

"Our efforts were only to take our people back to Gujarat after they brought from the upper reaches. At no stage, we made any claim before the media that we saved 15,000 people. Our vehicles also brought back many people from other states too...Where's the question of spin doctoring?" he asked

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 Jun 2013 21:07

Gujarat phone tapping spikes to 90,000 cases, intrigues central intelligence agencies

Press Trust of India : New Delhi, Tue Jun 25 2013, 19:22 hrs

Obtaining CDRs by any enforcement agency to track movement and activities of suspected persons and entities is a very common practice in the country, but what has surprised many in central agencies was the unusually high number of CDRs over a very short period.

Gujarat Police has obtained nearly 90,000 telephone call data records (CDRs) of people and entities in three months beginning January this year, raising eyebrows in central intelligence agencies about what is going on in Chief Minister Narendra Modi-ruled state to necessitate tapping.

The unusually high number of CDRs of individual and entities were obtained by Gujarat Police citing various cases against them and for investigation purposes, official sources said.

Obtaining CDRs by any enforcement agency to track movement and activities of suspected persons and entities is a very common practice in the country, but what has surprised many in central agencies was the unusually high number of CDRs over a very short period.

"We are not sure how much information Gujarat Police got from the CDRs but it was strange that such a large number of call data records were obtained in a very short period of time," an official said.

Meanwhile, the Centre will soon operationalise the Central Monitoring System (CMS) which will put an end to all unauthorised tapping of telephones.

The CMS, which enables security agencies to monitor phones and internet communications of suspected persons, will ensure that monitoring of phone calls, text messages and internet use of citizens will be done only by government agencies after taking due permission from designated authority.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gujar ... s/1133637/

Modi is doing his homework when it comes to the central governments nefarious designs. When intelligence and police officials are being penalized for stopping jihadis he has to be especially careful.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 25 Jun 2013 21:25

From twitter :
Shivagiri Mutt Sanyasins called Modi to save them

Modi is damned if he does, damned if he does not!

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 25 Jun 2013 21:36

Neela wrote:From twitter :
Shivagiri Mutt Sanyasins called Modi to save them

Modi is damned if he does, damned if he does not!

Damned by whom? The main stream media circus? Come on now, who takes them seriously anymore. He cannot be damned if he does what he must.

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 25 Jun 2013 21:58

just watched a kangaroo court on ndtv. vinod sharma (editor of HT?) with a big smirk on his face was telling that bjp should not force nitish too much, because he was the rail minister during 2002. if he opens his mouth then international community and human right wallahs will get involved. further, to cover his stinking a** he said that he is not alluding to anything, just wants to raise a question. the reference is obvious. this seems to be a new line of attack against modi...his team should watch out.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 25 Jun 2013 22:27

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 26 Jun 2013 07:59

niran · Post by **niran** » 26 Jun 2013 08:23

M Joshi wrote:What re the chances of NAMO contesting for LS from Raibareilly or Amethi?

earlier NaMo was supposed to fight from Sultanpur UP then almost all BJP state units began outdoing eachother for NaMo to contest election in their state, shocking everyone (NaMo included) hence
it is any one guess.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 26 Jun 2013 09:05

shivagiri mutt is already saved. how many times they need to be saved?

apoorv · Post by **apoorv** » 26 Jun 2013 11:10

Modi’s Himalayan miracle

TOI article saying Modi is feku.