Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Jun 2013 08:31

^^^ let say i can tell you where his ancestral home is where does his family stay
what relation is between his SHQ and her DILs that he favors one son over the other
that moi use to attend saakha where he would coach Lathi vidya that his CA is so and so
his Vakil is so and so what he likes to eat most as his breakfast who is his family dhobi etc. etc.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 27 Jun 2013 08:34

Sushupti wrote:
CBI to become autonomous?

Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/cbi- ... 85461.html

(Mis)Use CBI now and ensure it can't be used back at them when the tables turn ?

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 27 Jun 2013 09:09

what's this about "upper caste vote coming naturally to BJP"? if that were the case, BJP's tallies in recent UP elections would have been much better.

disha · Post by **disha** » 27 Jun 2013 09:14

ashashi wrote:
disha wrote: The news you follow is important, since you want to believe in your own stated opinion and would like to find proof that buttresses your opinion.
You are drawing too many conclusions. I did not comment on the article because I thought the article is self explanatory. I can see how that could lead someone to conclude that I am endorsing the content of the link. May be I should add the smilies in indicate my opinion in the future.

All the bolded you/your above are rhetorical you/your. It applies to "everyone" and not you "you". Should have written it as "we"., but would have lost the rhetorical flourish in my statement.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Jun 2013 10:44

sum · Post by **sum** » 27 Jun 2013 10:58

Sushupti wrote:Ishrat Jahan case: IB man to be arrested soon?

AHMEDABAD: The Prime Minister's Office has cleared the decks for the arrest of a senior Intelligence Bureau officer in a case which had brought the intelligence set-up in direct confrontation with CBI.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 789195.cms

WTF is going on with this country?

This is turning out worse than the worst nightmare scenario!!

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Jun 2013 11:13

Open invite to jihadis to target Modi. Sick.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 27 Jun 2013 11:28

niran wrote:
ashashi wrote:Good analysis of Bihar and UP eventhough the article completely ignores the development politics of Modi. Posting in full.

Thakurs (party president Rajnath Singh is himself a Thakur from UP)
correction Saar, Rajnath Singh is Bhumihaar i.e. lesser Thakur (the most PC word i can come up with)

Niran ji, You couldn't be more wrong. Bhumihars are not thakurs. Bhumihar is a subset of Brahmins. If you say Rajnath singh is not a Thakur, you might be right. But he is definitely not a Bhumihar. Check your facts.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 27 Jun 2013 12:27

Rajnath Singh is 400% Thakur only.
One of our relative (Seema Dwivedi) was elected MLA from Jaunpur seat, elders know Rajnath personally since his days when he was professor in a science college near Gorakhpur.

Rajnath being from "upper caste" is not going to help BJP as both Mayawati & Mulayam have adjusted themsleves to "TilaK-Taraju-Talwar" formula by distributing tickets to upper caste candidates in these areas.

Kalyan Singh+NaMo combination needs to be pushed-in for middle-lower caste votes such as, Kunmi, Ahir, Bhoonj votes.

Amit Shah should factor-in this caste matrix while deciding ticket distribution. Caste based Ticket allocation is key to success in UP.

niran · Post by **niran** » 27 Jun 2013 12:35

Caste in Eastern UP is more complicated than Duckworth's Lewis calculations
it will distract from the soul of this thread hence will digress.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 27 Jun 2013 17:07

I know personAlly tht RS is Thakur

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 27 Jun 2013 17:57

NDTV running a breaking news campaign, Indicating that Namo and Amit shah were aware of the ishrat Jehan encounter. They are claiming to have seen cell phone records indicating calls between DGP Vanzara and Amit Shah... Could this be the final assault on Namo ?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 27 Jun 2013 18:11

High risk strategy for congies, could backfire very badly.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 27 Jun 2013 18:23

Ab maza aayega.

Every time Modi needs a rallying point, congis hand it over on a platter. Now this is the mau ka saudagar moment for LS 2014. Wait and watch.

kumarn · Post by **kumarn** » 27 Jun 2013 18:26

no, final will be on some "revelations" relating to the "train"

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 27 Jun 2013 18:31

kumarn wrote:no, final will be on some "revelations" relating to the "train"

My only worry is that modi's enemies in the BJP who were ministers in the ABV govt may have some dossier that can manipulated and finally implicate him. Those sonia puppets must be working 24 hrs a day now.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 27 Jun 2013 18:39

Arjun wrote:Modi's blog on TOI !! Remembering Emergency 1975 - The victory of people's power!

I will be digressing here but someday, in appropriate dhaga we need to closely introspect on the events that led to the emergency. I am not sold on the theory that IG, the sanest and shrewdest politician (IMHO) tried to became a dictator. This so called Arab spring, Syria, Libya and the emergency...I see some similarities.

1971, a blue-eyed munna of the west was battered and shattered by India, credit largely to IG. 'The Great Game' was threatened. IG was pain in the neck. I am not sure how much and till what level India was infested and did IG use emergency as a desperate attempt to regain control?...I don't know. But I think the things do not add up and I am curious.

OT here anyway.

Yogesh · Post by **Yogesh** » 27 Jun 2013 19:05

@ NDTV report- this talks with lotsa "alleged/suggest" prefix - evidence, informaed.. lets see what comes next!! regarding train thing- it will come sooner or later for new found sicukular friend. Bee Jay Pee needs to preempt at this front..

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 27 Jun 2013 19:15

Congress has no way to arrest or cut modi to size. They have no plans of doing such hara-kiri. They know it will backfire and they just cant do it, he has an air tight case on his side. They may at best succeed in troubling some of his aides. Now the crux is simple here:

They want modi to move away from his trajectory of campaigning on the basis of development and a new vision for India. They want to pull him back to old territory of "Terrorism, appeasement", push him to do negative campaign (at present he is moving in the right direction of speaking, congress is bad, this is what BJP will do). They essentially want to derail him and achieve 2 things

1. Divert his focus, change his campaign tactics and mode
2. Consolidate muslim vote even more especially in regions where they are in competition for muslim vote.

My guess is Modi will outsmart them squarely.

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 27 Jun 2013 19:16

For Branalysts:

NDTV report: Did Narendra Modi, Amit Shah know of the Ishrat Jahan encounter in advance? (text and video)

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/did-n ... eststories

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Jun 2013 19:33

Now the psy ops to implicate Modi and Amit Shah for killing of Ishrat Jahan begins. If Congress isn't successful they have only three options left. Outsource hit job to jihadis or naxalites, rig elections, and declare emergency under the pretext of preventing saffron fascists from coming to power. There is no way everybody who forms part of the corrupt anti national architecture in this country can flee. When they are pushed into the corner they will do whatever it takes to survive.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 27 Jun 2013 19:35

Ashok Sarraff wrote:For Branalysts:

NDTV report: Did Narendra Modi, Amit Shah know of the Ishrat Jahan encounter in advance? (text and video)

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/did-n ... eststories

Geedar ki jab maut aati hain to wo Modi ki taraf bhaagta hain

Dumbass cons haven't learnt yet

Ashok Sarraff · Post by **Ashok Sarraff** » 27 Jun 2013 19:39

I was thinking that this is a "Yashaswi bhava" type of evidence that the Congress/its minions used to implicate Savarkar for Gandhi's assasination. Of course the evidence was thrown out by the court. But I wonder whether there's any further evidence in this case.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 27 Jun 2013 19:44

Who cares for evidence. Spread the lie far and wide and at least a few are bound to believe. Causing enough confusion to reducing naMo's vote share.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 27 Jun 2013 19:49

I dont think democaracy is an option anymore

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 27 Jun 2013 19:49

Pratyush wrote:Who cares for evidence. Spread the lie far and wide and at least a few are bound to believe. Causing enough confusion to reducing naMo's vote share.

GOI and Media credibility is at negative levels, not even low positive. The more they throw on modi, the more free popularity he will get

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Jun 2013 20:05

When Congress has lost everything, they are free to do anything.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 27 Jun 2013 20:07

The evidence basically is some fellow making an allegation that somebody said that they had got clearance for something or the other from some "white beard" and some "black beard".

So there are many very weak links in the chain.

It is possible that some attempts will be made through judiciary. Judge in Lashkar case is daughter of Congress CM of Himachal.

Rampy · Post by **Rampy** » 27 Jun 2013 20:08

Sagar G wrote:
Ashok Sarraff wrote:For Branalysts:

NDTV report: Did Narendra Modi, Amit Shah know of the Ishrat Jahan encounter in advance? (text and video)

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/did-n ... eststories

If you see the report its all Alleged this alleged that... some eye witness here and there this is all Media verdict against modi and shah to garnet vote... same stiry like 2002 where they had 10000s of eye witness but none came out. Most hilarious is white dadhi and black dadhi ... why on earth cops have a code to talk between them

It was Raj minister first its late for him, so now shah(UP obvious) and Modi

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 27 Jun 2013 20:58

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 27 Jun 2013 21:19

Modi parochial, hints Sinha

Hmm, respect for YS is fast fading...He should have realized how his statement would be spun by the media.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 27 Jun 2013 21:30

Cho says - I had invited both advani and modi for 2012 tuglaq annual function and at that time advani was supportive of modi. Don't know what happened later for advani to act like this.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 27 Jun 2013 23:27

Fantastic madhu kishwar interview..Must watch for everyone here..

Part -1

Part -2

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 27 Jun 2013 23:32

Arjun wrote:Modi parochial, hints Sinha

Hmm, respect for YS is fast fading...He should have realized how his statement would be spun by the media.

You are still giving him benefit of doubt? From his quoted statement, its very clear what he meant. He should be sidelined or kicked out as soon as possible. Any way he is good for nothing.

There are many reports where it is mentioned that Gujrat rescue team rescued every one they could. In-fact we have people from state like Bengal have posted thank you note. Forget about from different states, it will be hard for any one to even leave behind a person from another country. It is so disgusting to hear such an absurd logic.

Jealousy has very strong stink which is hard to hide.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 28 Jun 2013 00:16

IMO there should be a clear line of succession within the Parivar ... if the leader (NaMo) is for some reason unable to carry on, then it should be clear who will take over.

IMO Rajnath Singh has been performing well recently ... he could become the PM-designate if Modi is not able to make it for any reason.

The important thing is to not allow Maino-friendly forces within the BJP to grab the leadership.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 28 Jun 2013 01:08

R_Kumar wrote:
Arjun wrote:Modi parochial, hints Sinha

Hmm, respect for YS is fast fading...He should have realized how his statement would be spun by the media.
You are still giving him benefit of doubt? From his quoted statement, its very clear what he meant. He should be sidelined or kicked out as soon as possible. Any way he is good for nothing.

There are many reports where it is mentioned that Gujrat rescue team rescued every one they could. In-fact we have people from state like Bengal have posted thank you note. Forget about from different states, it will be hard for any one to even leave behind a person from another country. It is so disgusting to hear such an absurd logic.

Jealousy has very strong stink which is hard to hide.

He is a "Janta-Dalia" basically NIKU type. Anti-RSS trait is in his DNA.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jun 2013 01:26

Jealous is fine. He is peddling lies. TOIlet was the first one to report the lie about 15K Gujaratis evacuated. No one questioned whether all were Gujaratis. They only questioned if 15K evacuation is possible! Even on this Forum.

And the lie gets used by idiots to express their anti-Modi feelings.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Jun 2013 01:46

NVS at Newsinsight.net

Second Patel

The second Patel
Narendra Modi will be a rare Indian prime minister.
By N.V. Subramanian (26 June 2013)

New Delhi: Given the manner of motivated opposition he faces, a leader other than Narendra Modi would have abandoned the mission to bring personal ideas of growth, development and governance to the nation. But the Gujarat chief minister is made of sterner stuff. After a day and more of taunting by the Congress party, ally Shiv Sena and the mainstream media about his decidedly apt, undeniably brilliant and much-needed humanitarian outreach during the Uttarakhand tragedy, Narendra Modi has emerged on top once again. In the unfortunate business of political one-upmanship which is, however, inevitable as the general elections approach, Modi has scored one other time over the vast and venal Congress poll machinery, announcing a compensation package from the Gujarat government for the Indian Air Force personnel who died in a helicopter crash in calamity-hit Uttarakhand. This counts for more than the pro forma recompense committed by the Uttarakhand government. It is this sort of proactivity that India direly needs as it stares down the abyss of politico-economic collapse, and this presents the country a clear alternative from the lazy, narcissistic, non-performing, visionless and empty-headed dynasticism represented by Rahul Gandhi, who was allegedly on an European holiday through the worst days of the Uttarakhand crisis, and returned only after his absence provoked adverse national comment. Good luck to Sonia Gandhi’s Congress and the United Progressive Alliance as Rahul Gandhi leads with such capabilities as he has the ruling establishment to the coming polls. But, meanwhile, what keeps Modi going despite the huge odds he faces from his own Bharatiya Janata Party, the opposition Congress and the media that would crush another man? India keenly seeks the answer for one who will be the next prime minister.

The Godhra carnage and the ensuing riots were a sort of baptism of fire for Narendra Modi. He had few political friends in that period, and whilst the central BJP could insulate him to an extent, he had to fight his own battles for survival, get his name cleared, transform Gujarat, and persevere at elevating to the Centre. There have been other men who have prospered in adversity and Narendra Modi positively flourished in it. He was boosted by the fact that he is unusually determined and a born manager. He does not need a Harvard MBA to make a success of the Indian economy where Palaniappan Chidambaram has so spectacularly failed. (The rupee fell to its lowest today.) Besides, he had the guiding vision of Sardar Patel which gave him a substitute for the Nehruvian path. In that sense, he personifies an important break from a sixty-year-old narrative which put Nehru on top and stunted the other notables of the freedom movement. In that stream of consciousness, too, he represents the most anti-Nehru-Gandhi national-level politician since, perhaps, George Fernandes’ heydays, and going earlier into history, Jayaprakash Narayan.

Taken all together, Narendra Modi typifies a paradigm shift. Without question, the young are with him not being trapped in false constructs such as secularism which only serve to keep Muslims in fear and bondage and for abuse as votebanks. There are masses of voters who are no longer young and feel oppressed by the corrupt Congress regime at the Centre. Price rise is uncontrolled and pushing the poor and the salaried middle class to the edge of panic and despair. The United Progressive Alliance is directly responsible for their plight. These conditions were also available for the Bharatiya Janata Party’s victory in 2009 but its prime-minister candidate was unsuitable. It is rare in India for a state to become a better model of growth and development than the Centre and to earn universal plaudits, which is what makes Narendra Modi different from other chief ministers. And because he is a chief minister making a shift to the Centre, he is seen as an interloper, a busybody and an outsider. And it is since he is an outsider that he will gain the high table. Modi is unstoppable.

The unsubtle way to look at Modi is as a self-made businessman, one of those early pioneers who have toiled in the swamps for greatness. He has no family eminence to speak of. He has risen in politics the hard way, and not chosen the easy track of identity politics that his intermediate caste background permitted him. He is not, therefore, Laloo Prasad Yadav or Nitish Kumar or Mulayam Singh Yadav or even Mayawati, although Dalit empowerment needs special attention as India modernizes. He is probably in the rare league of politicians such as Jayalalithaa Jayaram who are masters of their own fate. So Narendra Modi will not be satisfied by half-measures. He will change the way India works, and whilst opponents may exult about his likely downfall that way, the opposite will happen, as it did in Uttarakhand, where the administrative machinery geared up to the challenges he had set.

Does it mean Narendra Modi has no human foibles? He wouldn’t be human if he didn’t. But he is a quick learner. And like Arjuna in the Mahabharata, his eye is fixed on the moving target. That is the quintessence of leadership. He is the campaign chief for the Bharatiya Janata Party and he will work on multiple fronts to get the party to power. Narendra Modi cannot be distracted from the goals he has set for himself and for India, and never have they fused so organically in one person in a long while. If his detractors in the BJP, among the allies and in the Congress think he is easy prey, they cannot be more mistaken. For a man who has survived the last eleven years of most shameful partisan politics, nothing is impossible. For a people to run market economics in their bloodstream, Gujaratis know when they have a winner. Sardar Patel was one of their greats. Without family ties, Narendra Modi is his political descendant.

What more can India ask for?

Tad too eloquent?

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 28 Jun 2013 06:03

Political interference harms good governance: Modi

Modi said, “Institutions cannot be people centric. We have made things centered around people…if one family goes away this will happen…but is this our nation? The need is to institutionalise ideas and good practices. We should create network of institutions. A person may be there or not but the framework must remain.”

This is what we need. I know its not his original idea. This is the backbone of US system. But it doesn't matter whether its his original or not as long as great ideas are being implemented. If he can just do this, he will be be remembered as the greatest leader of modern India.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Jun 2013 06:30

is there any footage or photos of the "80 innovas, 25 buses and 4 boeings" that Guj govt was supposed to have sent?
I have not seen any.

surely with the national media camped in the region and in delhi it should have been able to cover, it was not a secret.

the MSM seems to have been strictly instructed to impose a blackout on that op, other than the TOI article which slipped through before the Eye of Sauron caught it.