Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Tumba » 05 Jul 2013 09:37

muraliravi wrote:Delhi's population is 12 million. And you say it has 10 million Bangladeshis. I know there are illegal bangladeshis in delhi, but ur number is way off. Anyway no more on that in this forum.



i think he means 10 million migrant labors from UP and Bihar + illegal Bangladeshis may be 1-2 million
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Postby harbans » 05 Jul 2013 09:39

^ Also VP Singh, Charan Singh and PVNR also..

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Postby Singha » 05 Jul 2013 09:55

all of them sharper and seasoned leaders than the unemployed prince of 10 janpath...

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Postby Murugan » 05 Jul 2013 10:09

Minhaz Merchant ‏@minhazmerchant 8m
NHRC: of 555 enc cases 2009-2013, UP 138, Manipur 62, Assam 52, WB 35. So 287 cases frm Cong & supporters. Guj? 8 cases

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Jul 2013 10:25

Why Congress could be pushing for early polls

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/why-c ... 30789.html

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Postby Pranav » 05 Jul 2013 10:26

Arjun wrote:
Pranav wrote:Kejriwal has been suggesting a framework for referendums, initiatives, Gram & Mohalla Sabhas, right to recall, right to reject, Jan Lokpal ...

Modi has also very recently advocated right to reject, which is a good thing.

Competitive politics will make others take up issues for which there is public support.

Gram and Mohalla sabhas - these are natural extensions of decentralization to the lowest level & Modi would be a supporter.

As for referendums, initiatives, Right to recall, right to reject, Jan Lokpal...All these are good and necessary concepts. The key lies in translating them from the conceptual level to level of detail. Depending on how this translation to details is worked out - each one of these could potentially also act as an instrument of subversion (like in the Jan Lokpal case in Gujarat). Therefore it is better that they be shepherded into the country by a government that one trusts (and the least untrustworthy today is the BJP).


Kejriwal does suffer from the NGO-itis disease, but he is forcing a debate on systemic issues which IMO need to be debated.

The govt should certainly be lead by someone who has a deep knowledge of international politics, with a historical perspective that spans several centuries. One recent statement by Modi -
“The MEA’s main job today is developing trade treaties, the era of spies and strategy has long gone,” he said during his talk.

Modi’s rejig plan for the Foreign Ministry

This view is quite incorrect ... national leaders must be aware of the kind of historical background that is discussed in the India and the New World Order thread

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Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Jul 2013 10:31

Finally, kudos to those who had hopes in NiKu doing the right thing. The JD)(U) appears to be well on the way to redeeming itself... at last.

JD-U terms Ishrat Jahan as 'Bihar's daughter'

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Postby Arjun » 05 Jul 2013 10:33

Morsi code and the Modi script

Strong signals that the Congress is likely to turn into a rogue organization and upend democracy in the country if it loses...

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Postby Arjun » 05 Jul 2013 10:52

Pranav wrote:Kejriwal does suffer from the NGO-itis disease, but he is forcing a debate on systemic issues which IMO need to be debated.

Fair enough...but he should have remained at the non-political level (like Anna) to force the debate. The debate has disappeared from the public eye since the time he converted into a political party.

The govt should certainly be lead by someone who has a deep knowledge of international politics, with a historical perspective that spans several centuries. One recent statement by Modi -
“The MEA’s main job today is developing trade treaties, the era of spies and strategy has long gone,” he said during his talk.

Modi’s rejig plan for the Foreign Ministry

This view is quite incorrect ... national leaders must be aware of the kind of historical background that is discussed in the India and the New World Order thread


I am more comfortable with Modi than with the Dynasty or Kejriwal in Foreign Policy...

1) Modi realizes the critical importance of trade in foreign policy. Once your economy and exports are strong - respect automatically follows. The Dynasty and Kejriwal definitely don't realize this, or even if they do this is not important to them.

2) If there actually exists deeper international intrigue at play like you suggest, Modi would cotton onto it after coming on board faster than the other alternatives would. You can see it in the way he deals with the Dynasty - which is the biggest instrument of subversion that this country has seen.

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Postby Murugan » 05 Jul 2013 10:59

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 921679.cms

NEW DELHI: Intelligence Bureau (IB) chief Asif Ibrahim has formally complained to the home ministry against CBI, saying the investigating agency's "witch-hunt" against its officials in the Ishrat Jahan case was "disastrous for the morale of IB officers" and would harm the country's internal security.

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Postby harbans » 05 Jul 2013 11:15

I am more comfortable with Modi than with the Dynasty or Kejriwal in Foreign Policy...

1) Modi realizes the critical importance of trade in foreign policy. Once your economy and exports are strong - respect automatically follows. The Dynasty and Kejriwal definitely don't realize this, or even if they do this is not important to them.

2) If there actually exists deeper international intrigue at play like you suggest, Modi would cotton onto it after coming on board faster than the other alternatives would. You can see it in the way he deals with the Dynasty - which is the biggest instrument of subversion that this country has seen.


Arjun Ji you are absolutely correct and this is one very important aspect other parties assorted socialists, lefties across the spectrum don't get. A 8 T USD economy even if it spends 2% on defense, 0.5% on intelligence gathering operations in it's scheme of priorities spends 4 times the amount for defense and intel than a 2T USD economy spending 4% on defense and 1% on intelligence gathering operations. Modi obviously realizes these calculations soundly.

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Postby Pranav » 05 Jul 2013 11:18

Arjun wrote:
Pranav wrote:Kejriwal does suffer from the NGO-itis disease, but he is forcing a debate on systemic issues which IMO need to be debated.

Fair enough...but he should have remained at the non-political level (like Anna) to force the debate. The debate has disappeared from the public eye since the time he converted into a political party.

The debate can effectively happen only through politics.

If any major political party had taken up these issues strongly, then the movement might have remained non-political.

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Postby Sanku » 05 Jul 2013 11:33

Pranav wrote: then the movement might have remained non-political.


The movement is still non political, only the frauds who were not in for the movement but for the power have ridden on it and opted out after milking it.

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Postby Arjun » 05 Jul 2013 11:39

harbans wrote:Arjun Ji you are absolutely correct and this is one very important aspect other parties assorted socialists, lefties across the spectrum don't get. A 8 T USD economy even if it spends 2% on defense, 0.5% on intelligence gathering operations in it's scheme of priorities spends 4 times the amount for defense and intel than a 2T USD economy spending 4% on defense and 1% on intelligence gathering operations. Modi obviously realizes these calculations soundly.

True, Harbans ji...here's a recent report that validates how important economic growth is for the defence forces: Indian defence budget will hit hard modernisation of forces:

This year’s defence budget would seriously affect defence modernisation efforts. In actual terms the defence budget has been increased only by 5.3% over the last defence budget for 2012-13 which stood at Rs.1,93,407 crore. This was later cut down to Rs. 1,78,503 crore ‘due to economy being under pressure’. This amount is inadequate to meet even the continuing requirements of the defence forces. The annual inflation rate is moderately put at 7%. In addition, the fall of rupee against dollar makes the acquisition of equipment costlier. These factors make that the defence budget lower than the previous year’s defence allocation.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Singha » 05 Jul 2013 11:39

the forces of Mordor have emerged from the Black Gate and are on the move....a tieup with JMM in Jharkhand has been announced.
anyone with evil intent who has any grouse against rohan or gondor will join this alliance.

who can stand before the combined power of Saruman(MSM/sickular buddhijeebis) AND Sauron(10 janpath)?

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Postby Sanku » 05 Jul 2013 11:39

Hari Seldon wrote:Finally, kudos to those who had hopes in NiKu doing the right thing. The JD)(U) appears to be well on the way to redeeming itself... at last.


Hari ji -- you can name names, no one will mind. :lol: Yes I agree, that I am caught by significant surprise as to why would Nitish do something so suicidal.

May be is believes that UPA III is inevitable. We shall see.

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Postby Arjun » 05 Jul 2013 12:10

On the dot once again from Jagan: The Modi factor and the fake outrage over Ishrat Jahan

The Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) has done much to convince us that the Ishrat Jahan killing was a “fake” encounter. However, its charge-sheet in the case, and all the related developments, suggest that the agency’s autonomy is largely fake; that the UPA’s belated attempt to give the CBI a veneer of “autonomy” is intended to correct this impression and hence surely fake; and also that the “liberal” outrage over the encounter itself is fake.

All of this has happened not because of our “collective conscience” but because of a congruence of vested interests that feel threatened by the rise of one outsider to Delhi – Narendra Modi. If the man hadn’t existed, none of this would have happened. Fake encounters would have gone on as usual; the CBI would have been content to remain a “caged parrot”; the UPA would not even have dreamt of giving the CBI autonomy; the courts would probably not have taken note of the parrot’s true status; and “liberals” would not have appeared on TV expressing fake outrage over the encounter.

The truth is Modi makes us all insecure and uncomfortable. Not because of who he is, but because of who we are.

Over the last 11 years, the full resources of the state, the media, the courts and every possible investigative agency in the land have been put to work to get one man nailed. Has this ever happened in any case in independent India? Nah!


This is how the schema has worked. If lower courts can’t implicate or nail Modi, try the higher courts; if the higher courts can’t go too far, get another investigation started; if that doesn’t work, move the courts again to appoint a SIT; if the SIT’s report is not enough, try an amicus curiae; if that doesn’t work, try another SIT in another case; if that doesn’t work, try the CBI. And so it goes on and on.

The goal is simple: keep trying till you get the verdict you want. Make everyone feel guilty that our job as liberals is not done till one man goes to jail. Nailing Modi is the cure for a system we don’t want to change.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby munna » 05 Jul 2013 12:24

Singha wrote:who can stand before the combined power of Saruman(MSM/sickular buddhijeebis) AND Sauron(10 janpath)?


The Patriarch will and provide an acceptable leader who shall pass the pagnipariksha to deliver a 100% pure government.

1) He will give tickets to all "swacch chavi" folks (read cannot win elections)
2) He will destroy state leaders to promote "samoohik netratava" (read produce political pygmies)
3) To quote PB Mehta today "L.K. Advani: To the ornithologist Sudheendra Kulkarni, a sweet whistleblower. Everyone else has identified it as a dodo."

BJP is doomed onlee :rotfl:

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Postby Murugan » 05 Jul 2013 13:19

X posted from Internal Security

Hard Hitting Article by Ex RAW

http://www.sify.com/news/indian-politic ... fbdib.html

Col. Purohit of the Military Intelligence was implicated for his association with ‘Abhinav Bharat’, an organization labeled by the authorities as progenitor of so-called ‘Hindu Terror’. It is another matter that more than 50 officers of the army in the Court of Inquiry have vouched for the fact that he had kept all the relevant authorities in loop regarding his infiltration into the said organization. The officer also had very successfully infiltrated the Indian Mujahideen (IM) and was regularly invited by the Maharastra ATS to conduct lectures on IM and LeT. A fortnight before 26/11, Col Purohit was arrested. As a consequence the Military Intelligence of India was intimidated and paralyzed. Was it to facilitate the attack on Mumbai by the LeT?

Now there is an attack on the core of internal security, i.e. Intelligence Bureau of India. Its sin being that it provided ‘specific intelligence’ with regard to the plans by an itinerate module comprising four LeT terrorists, two Pakistanis and also an Indian woman Ishrat Jahan to kill the Chief Minister of a state of Union of India. It is another matter that this Chief Minister happens to be Narendra Modi. The dispensation in Delhi seems to convey ‘death to Modi, long live LeT’. The love or fear of LeT has impelled the quarters to consciously wreck the internal security apparatus of the country.

Even as the embers of the targeting of the IB fly in and outside the country, an Inspector of Punjab Police, Surjit Singh, has claimed that he has carried out 83 fake encounters at the behest of his bosses during the‘Sikh Freedom Movement’. The timing of the smote on the conscience and the moral churning process of this Inspector clearly indicates the identity of his benefactors. The ISI’s desperate bid to revive militancy in Punjab through its strategic arm LeT has been widely reported in the media. This seems to be yet another attempt by the ISI and LeT to destroy the security apparatus in Punjab so as to make uncontested in-roads.

The targets have been carefully selected i.e the Military Intelligence, the Intelligence Bureau and the state police forces, which includes the Gujarat Police, where nearly a dozen officers have been hounded and intimidated by the Center. The only officer who has found favour of the Center was the one demanding a Black Berry phone from a political party to settle political scores.

The common enemy of these agencies is the LeT. It is the same LeT (Markaz-e-Taiba), which has received Rs.61 million by the Punjab government in Pakistan as grant-in-aid in the current fiscal. The tragedy is that it is not only Pakistan establishment which grovels to the head of LeT, Hafiz Saeed, but the Indian establishment as well.

The love or fear of LeT has impelled the quarters to consciously wreck the internal security apparatus of the country.

Ishrat Jahan, a 19 year old girl from Mumbai was killed with LeT terrorists in Ahmedabad in an encounter on 15 June 2004. The family members in hindsight allege that Ishrat was abducted by the IB. It is queer that once she went missing her family members did not deem it fit to lodge an FIR with the Mumbai Police. Their inaction and silence on the issue can also be construed that the links with LeT run much deeper and wider.

The dispensation by attacking the Special Director of the Intelligence Bureau, Rajendra Kumar, has attacked the core of India’s internal security intelligence. All for whom, but the LeT! Mr Rajendra Kumar’s failing has been his being professional and conscientious. In that he acquired intelligence from ‘sources’, informed the higher-ups in Delhi, which includes his seniors and in-turn the Ministry of Home Affairs. His main failing however was that, in the process, he was not saving a Chief Minister but Narendra Modi. If he had acted in the same manner to save the life of some privileged ‘democratic-monarchs’ of the country, he would have been awarded Padma Vibhushan and in the case of highest monarch a ‘ Bharat Ratna.’ After all the same dispensation rewarded Mr Brajesh Mishra with Padma Vibushan for his Boston rescue operation of the ‘Yuvraj’. Readers with little research can know the truth.

Never before in the history of India, an IB or R&AW official was asked to submit before the CBI for interrogation on professional matters. Is it a ploy to unravel the entire intelligence framework of the country? This author who served with R&AW would have preferred to kill himself rather than submit to the CBI for interrogation of sensitive matters that are vital to Indian security interests. If this author was the head of the IB, the Special Director would have reported to the CBI over his dead body. The CBI has absolutely no competence to interrogate an IB and R&AW official on matters of internal and external security. By sheer level of politicization, the mediocre content of the job of the CBI, it is ill-equipped to deal with IB and R&AW officials.

If the CBI cannot be trusted with Arushi murder case or the Nithari case pertaining to Moninder Singh Pandher, what is its credibility! The whole world knows the truth in these cases sans the CBI. Can the Prime Minister at the current stage of his life cross his heart and vouch that he does not know the truth in these two cases? How has suddenly the CBI become the repository of the national conscience, which includes the IB and the R&AW?

The IB has been pitted against the CBI. In the case of blasts in Malegaon in 2006, the NIA has been pitted against the Maharastra ATS and the CBI. And earlier in Col Purohit’s case the Mahrastra ATS was pitted against the Military Intelligence. The effect of the orchestrated attrition is already beginning to tell.

This systematic destruction of India’s internal security apparatus is not only for vote-bank politics as most commentators are suggesting. Of course the Modi-phobia is a factor but not the sole reason.It has a larger dimension which is evident from the nervousness displayed by the dispensation with regard to ISI, Hafiz Saeed and David Headley. Do they know too much? Were they used to stage 26/11 to counter Jehadi terror by creating the specter of ‘Hindu Terror’? How does David Headley have the gumption to abuse Indian interrogators? Are the services of the ISI and LeT being obtained to influence vote-bank politics? Is the LeT and the ISI asking too much in return? These are questions which readers must ponder upon.

While the readers do so, their benchmark should be the fact that if Ajmal Kasab had not developed cold feet and caught alive, all preparations has been made to label 26/11 as act of ‘Hindu Terror’. Books to this effect were pre-written and the choice of the Chief Guest decided. Till today nobody has questioned as to how an unconstitutional authority was indirect communication with the Maharastra ATS Chief Hemant Karkare, and eliciting sensitive security details. If this politician cannot explain this he should be treated like any other terrorist.

For matters of national security the relationship between all the intelligence organizations of the States and the Center is both vertical and horizontal. Flow of intelligence is not only from top to down but in the reverse order too. Moreover, there is lateral sharing as well. The multiplicity of agencies has its benefits in terms of overlap, corroboration and coverage. By targeting the IB, the Military Intelligence, the state security apparatus of Gujarat and the previous Maharastra ATS, the dispensation has intimidated the entire intelligence network of India. India is now an open and defenseless target. The traitors as of now have prevailed!

No intelligence official now will provide or share information with the same degree of sincerity and patriotism. The Indian intelligence community is now a scared community. Nationalism and patriotism have become criminal attributes. Things have gone so anti-national that the most sensitive information was being leaked by the CBI pertaining details of Ishrat Jahan case and there were media houses, flaunting documents which should have been only for the consumption of Prime Minister and the Home Minister. The Pakistan or the ISI connection of some of these news channels and journalists is too well known.

Ishrat Jahan and her associates were nothing but tools of proxy war by Pakistan. Anybody with a modicum of understanding of terrorism will understand that the role of Ishrat was to act as suicide-bomber, as revealed by David Headley. There are any number of such modules waiting to strike. Rajiv Gandhi too was eliminated by eliciting the services of one such suicide bomber through the aegis of LTTE. This could not have happened without unsuspecting facilitators within.

Indian should realize that this is an era of proxy wars. A civilized country to retain its civility has to fight with uncivilized ‘proxy soldiers’, the kind of Ishrat Jahan. In this proxy war, which is also referred to as ‘intelligence wars’, the role of intelligence agencies is predominant. In dealing with such adversaries, there are methods, which have been used in the past to bring back civility, whose peace dividends people of India including the politicians, the civil activists and the vocal media continue to enjoy. One such region is the Punjab province of India. The dispensation at the behest and blackmail of external enemies has by design destroyed the entire internal security apparatus assiduously built over the years for the LeT and vote-bank politics.

India now stands exposed. Whenever there is the next blast or terrorist attack don’t expect too much from Indian intelligence framework. It stands intimidated and unraveled. It will be extremely difficult for the Indian security apparatus to recover from this wreck.

The ISI and LeT has won!


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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Murugan » 05 Jul 2013 13:30

anybody has this info in detail

LeT/JuD put a page claiming "Ishrat" as their own..

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Postby prahaar » 05 Jul 2013 13:54

Did anyone see the EBOOK Ad in FirstPost peddling "Drugged Kidnapped and Murdered Ishrat Jahan"? Has our media stooped so low? Jagan claims to be a decent new media promoter, yet his website is promoting such "BOOKs". Shameful.

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 05 Jul 2013 14:14

Rahul shouted & abused out of Guptkashi, man is saying "up here family after family has been wiped out and you have so much force following just one man", "Send force up here to help villages...." .

Look at expression of scared rahul:


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Postby Neela » 05 Jul 2013 14:43

Murugan wrote:X posted from Internal Security



While the readers do so, their benchmark should be the fact that if Ajmal Kasab had not developed cold feet and caught alive, all preparations has been made to label 26/11 as act of ‘Hindu Terror’. Books to this effect were pre-written and the choice of the Chief Guest decided. Till today nobody has questioned as to how an unconstitutional authority was indirect communication with the Maharastra ATS Chief Hemant Karkare, and eliciting sensitive security details. If this politician cannot explain this he should be treated like any other terrorist.


Anyone has insights into this?

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Postby Arjun » 05 Jul 2013 14:48

Neela wrote:
Murugan wrote:X posted from Internal Security



While the readers do so, their benchmark should be the fact that if Ajmal Kasab had not developed cold feet and caught alive, all preparations has been made to label 26/11 as act of ‘Hindu Terror’. Books to this effect were pre-written and the choice of the Chief Guest decided. Till today nobody has questioned as to how an unconstitutional authority was indirect communication with the Maharastra ATS Chief Hemant Karkare, and eliciting sensitive security details. If this politician cannot explain this he should be treated like any other terrorist.


Anyone has insights into this?

The reference is probably to Digvijay Singh.

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Postby Murugan » 05 Jul 2013 14:51

Neela wrote:
Murugan wrote:X posted from Internal Security



While the readers do so, their benchmark should be the fact that if Ajmal Kasab had not developed cold feet and caught alive, all preparations has been made to label 26/11 as act of ‘Hindu Terror’. Books to this effect were pre-written and the choice of the Chief Guest decided. Till today nobody has questioned as to how an unconstitutional authority was indirect communication with the Maharastra ATS Chief Hemant Karkare, and eliciting sensitive security details. If this politician cannot explain this he should be treated like any other terrorist.


Anyone has insights into this?


It is Doggy Raja

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Postby Arjun » 05 Jul 2013 14:55

Neela wrote:While the readers do so, their benchmark should be the fact that if Ajmal Kasab had not developed cold feet and caught alive, all preparations has been made to label 26/11 as act of ‘Hindu Terror’. Books to this effect were pre-written and the choice of the Chief Guest decided.

This is absolutely true....In fact there were active attempts to link Modi himself as a perpetrator of 26/11. There's even an ex-Admin of BRF who played his part in perpetrating the worst kind of calumny.

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Postby kish » 05 Jul 2013 15:06

prahaar wrote:Did anyone see the EBOOK Ad in FirstPost peddling "Drugged Kidnapped and Murdered Ishrat Jahan"? Has our media stooped so low? Jagan claims to be a decent new media promoter, yet his website is promoting such "BOOKs". Shameful.


SinN-IBN has controlling stakes in FirstPost. Jaggi as a journalist is still patriotic, even today he has written an excellent piece on "Ishrat Jahan".

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby James B » 05 Jul 2013 15:48

KJoishy wrote:Have we ever had a PM who was a CM before that?

I think Namo will be the first one.


PV Narsimha Rao

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Postby panduranghari » 05 Jul 2013 16:13

Pranav wrote:This view is quite incorrect ... national leaders must be aware of the kind of historical background that is discussed in the India and the New World Order thread


India has no historical baggage. The historical baggage that India has is the artificial construct of deracinated Indians. I remember one talk of Rajiv Malhotra when he spoke about how MEA officers in SE Asia did not understand soft power concept

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 05 Jul 2013 16:30

Arjun wrote:

Over the last 11 years, the full resources of the state, the media, the courts and every possible investigative agency in the land have been put to work to get one man nailed. Has this ever happened in any case in independent India? Nah!



Exactly any lesser human would have had a nervous breakdown by now, this video shows how skilfully Modi has outwitted "the full resources of the state, the media, the courts and every possible investigative agency" :



If after all this Modi doesn't get to PM's chair than naagriks of Bharat will find this a very very disappointing event. :evil:

Hope we won't see tahriri square like events happening in lutyen's delhi.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Jul 2013 16:34

Interesting view from a twitter operative... Claims the ishrat drama was planned precisely to divert attn from the FSB ordinance which is the real deal - will fetch INC both votes and notes for the coming polls.

>>Shahnawaz Hussain ‏@ShahnawazBJP 3h
1st Congress bypassed Parliament. Now is it bypassing President? Why did food minister hold a PressConf before President signed Ordinance.

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Postby Muppalla » 05 Jul 2013 16:52

Sanku wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:Finally, kudos to those who had hopes in NiKu doing the right thing. The JD)(U) appears to be well on the way to redeeming itself... at last.


Hari ji -- you can name names, no one will mind. :lol: Yes I agree, that I am caught by significant surprise as to why would Nitish do something so suicidal.

May be is believes that UPA III is inevitable. We shall see.


Sanku ji, remember Ram Vilas Paswan who resigned as minister in NDA and went out all the way and them became minister in UPA-1. This dalal giri is the hallmark of all the lohiites of Bihar. Laloo, Paswan and the new entrant Nitish. George Fernandez is also same. They show off as though they have some ideals but in reality they are all just anti-national with desperation for power. If INC+JDU happens then don't be surprised if Laloo makes some conciliatory remarks about BJP and Modi.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Muppalla » 05 Jul 2013 17:00

Arjun wrote:Morsi code and the Modi script

Strong signals that the Congress is likely to turn into a rogue organization and upend democracy in the country if it loses...


This is no different than what happened in Algeria in 80s. I also suspect this could be tried on India by INC. However, the chances are very low as I don't think Congress has all the institutional support. With one or two Army generals, one or two SC judges and few intel folks you cannot achieve subversion of constitution. INC today does not have the means to crush the revolution if the government agencies revolt. The top who sides with INC will all be putsch-ed.

If Modi wins - all they have is to take a flight and settle in Swiss, Italy and other rouge nations of Europe.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby muraliravi » 05 Jul 2013 17:07

niran wrote:
muraliravi wrote: Here is the link for my numbers, i got it right of ECI website. Can you give me any link.

http://eci.nic.in/eci_main/archiveofge2 ... ummary.pdf

Here is census 2011 total delhi (NCT) population

Link: http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011-prov ... elhi_9.pdf

See slide 8, it is 16.7 million for full of National capital territory (UT)

BJP will do better if it digs into the real reasons for such a huge gap in vote share against congress.


Saarji your's is the guestimated figure, mine comes from the number of people present in the ration card and the kilos of Sugar and Liters of kerosene sold per month for the link you should be high enough to be able to access FCI's data or active enough to file an RTI.


C'mon sir give me a break. ur talking like ur some RAW officer. It is the ECI that says that in 2009 there were 11.7 million registered voters in Delhi. The damn census of India 2011 says NCT pop is 16.7 million. How are my numbers guesstimates. Anything beyond that u must be hallucinating. I mean you say Delhi has 41 million voters and ECI says 11.7 million in 2009. So ECI just gives out voter id's to 41 million people and enters only 11.7 in its database :) . This is like saying India's population is 3.5 billion. If you are to be believed, delhi has 41 million voters and that means at least 55 million population. So same pop as Gujarat in 1480 sq. ft of area.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Pranav » 05 Jul 2013 17:15

panduranghari wrote:
Pranav wrote:This view is quite incorrect ... national leaders must be aware of the kind of historical background that is discussed in the India and the New World Order thread


India has no historical baggage. The historical baggage that India has is the artificial construct of deracinated Indians. I remember one talk of Rajiv Malhotra when he spoke about how MEA officers in SE Asia did not understand soft power concept


The world has a lot of historical baggage, and it is not possible to remain unaffected.

In fact, as a soft state, controlled by a mentally colonized and corrupt class, India is one of the worst affected.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Muppalla » 05 Jul 2013 17:17

Arjun wrote:
Neela wrote:While the readers do so, their benchmark should be the fact that if Ajmal Kasab had not developed cold feet and caught alive, all preparations has been made to label 26/11 as act of ‘Hindu Terror’. Books to this effect were pre-written and the choice of the Chief Guest decided.

This is absolutely true....In fact there were active attempts to link Modi himself as a perpetrator of 26/11. There's even an ex-Admin of BRF who played his part in perpetrating the worst kind of calumny.


That whole article when written by ex-RAW, it is getting traction. Several similar analysis by BRF members are laughed off as CTs by respectable maharathis of this forum.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Pranav » 05 Jul 2013 17:20

Arjun wrote:
Neela wrote:While the readers do so, their benchmark should be the fact that if Ajmal Kasab had not developed cold feet and caught alive, all preparations has been made to label 26/11 as act of ‘Hindu Terror’. Books to this effect were pre-written and the choice of the Chief Guest decided.

This is absolutely true....In fact there were active attempts to link Modi himself as a perpetrator of 26/11. There's even an ex-Admin of BRF who played his part in perpetrating the worst kind of calumny.


Actually there was narrative of "Deccan Mujahedin" that had been prepared.


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