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http://www.deeshaa.org/2013/06/19/the-r ... #more-9432
Courtesy - Atanu Dey
Not willing to let things alone to chance, the Congress names every conceivable public welfare scheme, roads, ports, schools and other institutions with the name of a Gandhi. Around 4,000 of them so that even the most uninformed voter knows one thing for sure: the name Gandhi is the fountainhead of all that is great and good in the land.
It is a matter of branding. I call it the “McDonalds Effect.” In an unknown place, where one does not know the quality of the restaurants, the safe bet is to grab a quick bite at a McDonalds. There must be better eating joints around but you just don’t know. Given limited information and risk aversion, the prudent thing is to go with the familiar.
So the strategy for the Congress is simple and elegant. Keep the voters ill-informed. Easily achieved since most of their voters are illiterate. Then add “Gandhi” to everything. Daniel Kahneman calls it the “priming effect.” At the polling booth, driven by risk aversion and limited information, the voters choose the party that has a Gandhi face attached to it. Of course, they have to make sure that the face appears in every campaign billboard in every corner of the country.
The person whom the Congress most fears is Shri Narendra Modi. Why? Because only he spells the undoing of the Gandhi-Maino dynasty and by extension the Congress party. The Congress worthies know this and know it only too well. Many people mistakenly believe that the BJP is the Congress’s mortal enemy. Not so. It’s one man: Narendrabhai Modi who is enemy numero uno.
The change that India needs. That’s precisely the problem that the Congress sees. The distress that India has today is entirely due to the Congress. (Of course, there is a root cause which leads to the Congress as a consequence. I will have to put that off for a future post.) So the Congress has to go if India has to prosper. So India’s prosperity is antagonistic to the Congress: you can either have the Congress or you can have a prosperous India but not both.

For the head honchos in the Congress, the choice is clear: if for it to survive, India has to suffer, so be it. For me, for India’s prosperity, I will do what I can to give the Congress and its leaders a quick burial. I wish the BJP had the same goal as I have.
Repetition is a powerful device for persuasion. Successful religions use it all the time. One particular world religion uses it five times a day. One simple idea repeated five times a day by its adherents convinces them that it must be true even though there is no evidence for the truth of the assertion. The Congress understands that idea, the BJP does not. The Congress and the Islamists are natural allies for this reason — but not only for this reason, as I will argue later.
In the next bit I will also explain why focus matters. The short form is this: the Congress’s target is one single individual, while those opposed to the Congress have multiple targets. Paradoxically, the more scams the Congress perpetrates, the less the damage the Maino-Gandhi clan suffers. Like in a chess game, the sacrifice of a few pawns or rooks is no big loss if the end-game depends on whether the king survives.

In this game, the Maino has to lose for India to win.
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NaMo spoke of so many issues that the nation is facing and here paid media is only reporting burqa. As usual Cong and all others are trying to steer this campaing as secularism vs communalism, whereas the real issue is lack of governanace and vision.
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^^^ This is good only. Misgovernance-Phisgovernance, Corruption-Pharapshan, Vision-Phision are not going to win election for BJP. Communism will. Jai ho.
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That is what Yashwant Sinha said. The more he talks, more will be the controversy.
But what use if a man like him is kept quiet. I wonder why the Congress keeps quiet when the Owaisis talk. That too, when the latter have nothing to offer on development. Only khayali pulaos of some fictional 'Golden Mughal Era'.
The times are seriously weird. Nobody wants to highlight what is useful, because it is boring.
What is sensational will be picked up by both hands. A question keeps crossing my mind.
Do we as a society really care for what is right and development/governance friendly or are we only baking our bread in the stove of sensational news? Is it just a matter of entertainment for us until we switch to some movie channel on the TV or get the bus we want to board?
Media shows what sells. Why is this crap selling?
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Virendraji, on what basis did you transfer the quality of reportage on to the larger public that has NO influence regarding the content that is peddled by the news media?

If you look at actual income figures, ALL, I repeat ALL news channels are not making enough money to even have a decent stock price. All that they are doing is generate revenue by Govt doles, questionable investments, etc. They are not mega profit making machines, which they should have been if their content was priced so high i.e. high ad spend.

The demography they cover is abysmal with zero feedback loop -which results in lower viewership.
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Sushupti wrote:I posted this in Internal security thread on Strategic forum. Don't miss General Bakshi and ex-RAW RSN Singh

:eek:

Hari om, Shri RSN Singh is a super brave son of Bharatmata, my pranaams!

Everyone should see this video from 1:10:00 , he is opening pigvijay and ConParty's conspiracy to implicate hindus in 26/11 itself and malegaon was done to make people believe that yes hindus can do such things. Samjhauta also is con-work as they alleged RDX was got from army depot, only to find out later that army doesn't have RDX :rotfl:

He is also predicting custodial death of Purohit and Pragya.
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Yashwant Sinha is one of the Namonia sufferers. If LKAs resignation had been accepted, as it should have been, YS too would have found some other means to occupy himself.
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Pranav wrote:Yashwant Sinha is one of the Namonia sufferers.
Whether he is or he is not is irrelevent....question is - does it make sense for BJP to turn the focus back on Congress misdeeds or does it serve Modi's purpose to keep the focus on himself ?
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The fact that congis are corrupt and are misgoverning is a given, EVERYONE knows it. So, harping on the same thing again and again is not gonna give BJP anything new. They did this in 2009 and we saw what happened. We can argue that it was not done enough, but for heavens sake, its not like people are ignorant of these facts. The thing BJP must do is give an believable alternative to congis. Someone who is not filthy corrupt like the congis. This is where NaMo comes in. He is most certainly not like the congis and he has visible achievements to his name. So, he must be given as much coverage as possible. He must be visible as an alternative to the congis to EVERYONE. Constant news hour debates on him do help in that directions, so does front page hysterics. People trying to lift the focus off of Modi are just like those "well-wishing" media persons advising Modi to apologize. The focus should be on Modi and people must hear of congi corruption and the filthy congi royalty from his mouth. This way we kill two birds with one stone. Frankly, I would love it if people forget there is any leader in BJP besides Modi. It is not like the rest of them inspires a whole lot of confidence in national electorate.
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how about both..there's nothing mutually exclusive about the two. one can be a natural corollary to another.

"congress sucks. i am better"

a lot of people don't get into details of all the scams and how it actually hurts him at a personal level in terms of his day to day life. they would rather look at a person, and vote for that person instead of getting too much into details of governance.
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On Burkhe (Not of secularism) Pakistanis' Take on Burkha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfZOMce7hik
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Hmm!!!
1990 में अयोध्या में कारसेवकों पर गोली चलवाने का अफसोस है, बोले सपा मुखिया मुलायम सिंह


http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/mulayam- ... 36111.html
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Indian Army can be expected to have RDX in its stocks. OFB does make and use it even if supplies it only in untamperable packaged form. Then there would be RDX captured from Jihadis.

The point is with Intel guys this is possible but there are other equally likely (for us outsiders) possibilities. Best is we either not deal with it or clearly put things in context. After all in such a large country people do loose it at times but it is neither state policy nor is it a fiqh for the majority to have trains bombed.
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Sushupti wrote:Hmm!!!
1990 में अयोध्या में कारसेवकों पर गोली चलवाने का अफसोस है, बोले सपा मुखिया मुलायम सिंह


http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/mulayam- ... 36111.html

The game is being setup for congress-bsp alliance. Congress has full (i mean absolute total control over mulayam, his family and his full party). They can use him to show as if he is pulling down govt if they decide to go for early polls. But more importantly they will make him issue statements like this so that he repels mullah vote from SP. In the process he may lap up some hindu minded vote. But the game is push all mullah vote in UP as mush as possible (even more than in 2009) towards congress. Then congress will ally with maya. A dalit-muslim alliance in UP is about 40% of the vote and not even Namo power infinity can crack that.
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^^^ Agreed. INC+BSP combo is unbeatable. We're dooomed only. Perhaps things have to worse, much worse, before they can get better, who knows...only.
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What is it that makes people think that MSY can pull hindu votes. Considering the BSP and INC are trying for it.
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Hari Seldon wrote:^^^ Agreed. INC+BSP combo is unbeatable. We're dooomed only. Perhaps things have to worse, much worse, before they can get better, who knows...only.
Modi is picking up momentum. This cannot be discounted. The problem is INC and BSP really have nothing to offer after many years of misrule. All they can do is last minute populist measures like FSB.
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Pratyush wrote:What is it that makes people think that MSY can pull hindu votes. Considering the BSP and INC are trying for it.
Even if he cannot pull hindu votes, still inc+bsp is about 40% vote if he pushes muslim vote to inc.
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RoyG wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:^^^ Agreed. INC+BSP combo is unbeatable. We're dooomed only. Perhaps things have to worse, much worse, before they can get better, who knows...only.
Modi is picking up momentum. This cannot be discounted. The problem is INC and BSP really have nothing to offer after many years of misrule. All they can do is last minute populist measures like FSB.
Boss, do you think the muslims who vote for inc or the dalits who vote for bsp care for good rule. It is all vested interest vote.
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I think we need to hear far more from other BJP leaders criticizing Congress & the Dynasty....in the days in between Modi speeches. They seem to have gone silent - at the same time when every pipsqueak in the Congress and its allies has gotten active.

For the next several weeks, also makes sense for Modi to focus on development and exposing Congress follies & steer clear of 2002 and other 'secularism'-type issues - which is where the Congress hopes to lure him to.
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BJP need to find solution to integrate dalits and other Hindus in the mainstream. That combination would be unbeatable. It has started in Maharashtra with the alliance of BJP, Shiv Sena and RPI. This needs to be extended in North India.

BJP must find a way to unite all Hindus of all caste and ethnicity. It was beyond the capability of ABV or LKA. Lets see if the new gen leaders can do the magic. Why there is no Dalit wing in BJP? Or is there?

The problem with BJP is not that they are Hindu Nationalist. The real problem is they are perceived as Upper Class (Brahmin!?) Hindu Nationalist.
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Even if he cannot pull hindu votes, still inc+bsp is about 40% vote if he pushes muslim vote to inc.[/quote]

Why would he want to kill his own political chances?

CBI is not enought for this. Hes has to think in terms of post 2017. If he gives up on his muslim vote bank. Then he has nothing. In reserver, when the next assembly election takes place.

Makes no sense.
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Mulayam will not sign his own party's and Family's death warrant by allowing the Muslims to slide towards INC/BSP. He will be reduced to < 10 seats if this happens and he will just be ignored. Other Scenarios we need to look at seeing if SP is split into 2 halves one going the NDA and other with INC (the Scindia formula) Father with INC and Son with NDA, how would that turn out... I have not see the CM raise his voice on any issue against the NDA
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abhijitm wrote:BJP need to find solution to integrate dalits and other Hindus in the mainstream. That combination would be unbeatable. It has started in Maharashtra with the alliance of BJP, Shiv Sena and RPI. This needs to be extended in North India.
Valid point.

But it is not always necessary to have alliances, the BJP should go for Dalit vote directly.

Secondly the same strategy can also apply to Muslims ... if BJP can get a significant chunk of the Muslim vote in Guj, then it should also aim for Muslim vote in North India, but without relying on Mullahs and regressive elements.

Thirdly, BJP is not tapping the anti-corruption vote very effectively (and IMO there is an anti-corruption vote-bank too).
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Some polarization is inevitable. We focus so much on breaking up muslim vote and we concentrate less on getting hindu vote. Hindus have to step up to the plate and rely on themselves if they want this country to pursue a sustainable development path and compete with East Asia and the West. Amit Shah is no idiot. Muslim outreach should be there but we shouldn't bend over backwards for these guys. They'll come around when they see that Hindus are being assertive and that development benefits all. Modi should focus on slowly raising the heat and every now and then throw the media a doggy bone to chew on to increase his popularity. RSS now seems to have an agenda in keeping the ideological base of the party alive and pressuring rogues and Congress drones to keep quiet.
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Pratyush wrote:Even if he cannot pull hindu votes, still inc+bsp is about 40% vote if he pushes muslim vote to inc.
Why would he want to kill his own political chances?

CBI is not enought for this. Hes has to think in terms of post 2017. If he gives up on his muslim vote bank. Then he has nothing. In reserver, when the next assembly election takes place.

Makes no sense.[/quote]

He will keep getting the muslim vote in assembly and congress will get it in lok sabha. It worked like that in 2009 LS and 2012 assembly. Will continue on.
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abhijitm wrote:The real problem is they are perceived as Upper Class (Brahmin!?) Hindu Nationalist.
are we talking class or caste? matter of fact, converting our caste system to class system is the way to go forward. everyone of the billion planet must pay attention here.

nip that racist/castist hindu from the administration and governance. can modi do it? he will get noble prize. the answers are simple, but the solution is not.
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Modi should not tone down his aggression but should point out to ordinary Muslims and Dalits how they have been taken for a ride, by their own leaders and by Congies.
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^ should focus on Dalits. Muslim votes is a mirage, at least for now.

What if BJP openly endorse and supports quota. What would be the repercussion on their existing votes?

First of all this quota system is a failure. The difference in supply and demand is so huge that nobody has been benefited or harmed with or without quota. Non BJP parties very well know that. It is only a facade of vote bank politics. Whats the harm BJP fully support it, unless they fear of losing the existing votes.
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the other way, is make the rubber meet the road. this quota system can't be broken.. caste can't be broken, but class can be introduced.

high class institutions
middle class institutions
lower class institutions

budget, planning, infrasructure is split on these. so, it does not disappoint say in the edu and jobs, people who are really high class (remember this is not caste.. a dalit could be high class performer), are given separate edu... and measured differently.

like ranking not based on money, but purely needs. we have to also demolish this rich-middle-poor divide.
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Pranav wrote:Modi should not tone down his aggression but should point out to ordinary Muslims and Dalits how they have been taken for a ride, by their own leaders and by Congies.
Pranav the sociology rule is that if the people do not have enough intelligence and intellect to understand what is 'taken for a ride' then you should also 'take them for a ride'. Got the drift?
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Modi should publish a manifesto on Bahujan/SC/ST socioeconomic development for 2014 elections. Should declare
1. Inorganic growth i.e. short team benefits by quota
2. Organic growth i.e. long term benefit by granting special 0% interest loans for SCST small scale entrepreneurs, and such other schemes.

BJP must promote entrepreneurship in bahujan samaj. The problem is Bahujans are too much involved in low level labor tasks that it is becoming extremely difficult to raise their socioeconomic bar.

Lets see if this sells.
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The Alphabet chart should have Q for Quattrochi the original scam guru for INC first family.
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No debate on any media channel regarding this fellow despite his death.
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BJP on principle should not have to go for any specific group - be it Mulisms, Christians, Hindus ityadi - let alone Dalits. Modi has several items in his vision that benefits all citizens. So as far as winning elections go, BJP has to point out how that vision will benefit all sections of people. And this needs to be hammered down the throats and minds. Focusing on Dalits is === to appeasement of Muslims.

Quite often in a company, team leaders will motivate their teams in variety of way. One of the ways I have seen is some kind of stroking the ego leading to believe the team is some how better than others (rightly or wrongly). This no doubt motivates the team, but then creates friction between other teams. In the long run, friction between teams is unhealthy.

I hope BJP says "Boss, I do not differentiate you people. I will create opportunities for ALL of you to prosper, so please use it."

Modi is indirectly involved a massive social engineering that is good for the country. People have began to sense - some rejoice and some whine. It is not time to play vote-bank politics. No wooing and cooing for groups. No special schemes for dalits, muslims, brahmins, UCs, LCs, OBCs ityadi. Modi has enough supporters for him to now go and say things straight.

BTW, BJP does have minority cells - which should be disbanded.
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Kuchh logo ko aaj pata chala hoga ki Karsevako par goliya bhi chali thi...
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Arjun wrote:
sooraj wrote:Meanwhile, here's what Congress MP Shashi Tharoor tweeted on the episode.
"Modi says we "hide behind the burqa of secularism". Preferable, surely, to the khaki shorts of intolerance&hatred that he now tries to hide?"
This is a lightbulb moment: Has Modi finally found a fitting retort to that perennial Leftist epithet of 'chaddiwala' with 'burqawali' ?
Also it is good strategy by Namo to raise the communal boggy himself and secular media being engaged, rather than Congress bringing Ishan types cases to prove the same.
this way congress's agenda to appease Muslim vote is intact and Namo can do his job
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