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We are assuming that the Indian electorate is very advanced. It is not. Modi has to let others hammer home the message that he is a "pichara" i.e. backward caste. OBCs make up the majority of India according to Sachar committee report. If he has the OBCs, the FCs and a section of SCs he has a winning formula. The articulation of vision should be limited to the middle class. The caste card should be used to the hilt (there is no need to act shy if you want to win) and there should be some dal-roti vision to sell to the poor who make up the majority.
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KC Singh is on roll today.

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abhijitm wrote:
Pranav wrote:Modi should not tone down his aggression but should point out to ordinary Muslims and Dalits how they have been taken for a ride, by their own leaders and by Congies.
Pranav the sociology rule is that if the people do not have enough intelligence and intellect to understand what is 'taken for a ride' then you should also 'take them for a ride'. Got the drift?
People will respond if your offer them something higher in terms they can understand ...
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Sushupti wrote:Reporter didn't know what hit him.
If I am correct, the reporter name is Hindol Sengupta. I remember his report on some Bakistan visit where he went into full WKK mode. Something of the sort of how in Bakistan the meat is more carnal or some such crap. He wasn't some cub reporter getting blowback, he tried to be too clever by half and got screwed in return.
Found the link, read the WKKitis in full flow:

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns ... 429776.ece
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He is actually pretty good when it comes to one on one interviews. Check out his interviews with Arun Shourie and others. Doesn't interrupt and well mannered.

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^^ Yes, agree with you. My opinion was coloured by his other piece.
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saravana wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Reporter didn't know what hit him.
If I am correct, the reporter name is Hindol Sengupta. I remember his report on some Bakistan visit where he went into full WKK mode.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/columns ... 429776.ece
From the above link
And oh, here's the best thing. Indian rupee is worth almost double the Pakistani rupee, so everything is at a 50 percent discount. Naturally, I love Pakistan!
Mian Hindol caught the Lawhori Lowgic fever while having biryani on the smooth motorways in Pakiland. Like everything in India 60 times cheaper as compared in US because 1 $ buys you 60 rupees!?
And he's the associate editor of Bloomberg UTV!! :rotfl:
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err, the rupee has similar buying power in their respective countries. dollar is not the US equivalent of rupee. so he isn't completely wrong, imprecise may be, but not wrong.
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Book Review:


http://www.dailypioneer.com/book-review ... nigma.html

Unfolding Modi Enigma

The author, through a series of interviews with Narendra Modi and ground level assessment of his activities, has done well to unfold the mind of India's most popular but enigmatic political figure, writes Hari Jaisingh

NARENDRA MODI: The Man, The Times

Author: Nilanjan Mukhopadhyay

Publisher: Tranquebar, Rs 495


Beyond the geographical divide of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, rightly or wrongly, is viewed as a development enigma wrapped in a Hindutva riddle. Hindutva, nay Hinduism, is not a riddle. It is a straight time-tested enlightened philosophy of dharma and karma which gives you enough leeway to explore your own path to the truth and salvation. As for the Modi enigma-cum-riddle, it is kept afloat by the Left-oriented ‘secular-cum-socialist forces’ who continue to see him under the dark shadow of the 2002 post-Godhra violence in Gujarat when Modi was a year-old in the office of Chief Minister.

Politically, Modi-bashing suits power arithmetic of the proponents of old school of social engineering of caste-cum-religion-based calculations. That man could change through the learning process of one’s mistakes or that he could cast himself in a futuristic development mould to tackle harsh socio-economic realities hardly leave a mark on the Left-leaning custodians of India’s corridors of power for the years. They may also care two hoots for the fact that under the Modi regime, Gujarat has been free from communal riots for over 10 years.

True, Modi’s futuristic thrust is part of his political strategy. As for his development enigma, he has opted for a new social engineering that seeks all-inclusive faster economic growth to lure the new generation of professional Indians and semi-skilled middle class people cutting across caste, class, community and religious labels. What makes Modi stand out in the changed global environment is his assertion that the Government has “no business to be in business”. This openly puts the bureaucratised socialist theories and leaky welfare schemes on the mat.

The author of the book under review has put in Herculean efforts through a series of interviews with Modi and ground level assessment of his activities to unfold the mind of India’s most popular but enigmatic figure of politics today. Journalist-cum-author Nilanjan Mukhopadhyay provides us both depth and substance from the question-answer sessions he had with Modi at Gandhinagar and other places. Knowing Modi’s sensitivities on certain matters, he patiently waited for the right time to raise certain simple but loaded questions with a view to presenting the reading public as comprehensive and objective account of the man who is seen by saffron sections of society and their sympathisers as India’s new man of destiny.

One must compliment the author for exploring several unknown aspects of Modi’s psyche and his career growth — from a six-year-old village boy of Vadnagar in Mehsana district selling tea to help out his father. He belongs to the family from the caste of Ghanchis listed among the Other Backward Castes (OBCs). “The traumatic and often dark childhood has obviously weighed on Modi’s mind.” He abandoned his family and wife in search of his ‘goal’ that took him to the doorsteps of the RSS as an errand boy for his seniors. The rest is all part of his multidimensional “meteoric rise” in post-Godhra Gujarat and a hat-trick Gujarat victory for the BJP at the 2012 hustings. At the BJP’s recent Goa conclave, he was anointed as the party’s head for the 2014 election campaign. This assignment has brought him to the centre-stage of national politics.

The exit of Bihar’s Nitish Kumar and the subsequent split within the BJP-led NDA coalition umbrella have thrown up the biggest political challenge for Modi. Today he is at the crossroads. If he is able to deliver the minimum expected success for his party in the 2014 parliamentary poll, there would be no stopping the game-changer who is both admired and hated in an equal measure across the country.

The author is of the opinion that “it is very lonely at the top for Modi... Political isolation is not new for Modi; he cut his teeth within the RSS fold and when he was in search of an identity to one who was clear about his goals, he also came face to face with challenges which made him alter his persona at different stages and in most cases by genuflecting to his seniors”.

Mukhopadhyay holds that Modi is not “very comfortable with the idea of coalitions and thinks some of his initiatives can herald the return of single-party governance”. The author is right. However, to achieve this goal is not going to be easy for Modi in the country’s existing political complexities. This is where the real challenge lies for the Gujarat Chief Minister.

The author once asked Modi how he looked at the coalition era. Modi replied that he was seized of the matter. He was of the view that “by compulsory voting this problem will get resolved”. This is too simplistic an assessment. The compulsory voting issue can only be a long-term proposition. Modi surely has a reputation of being a ‘doer’. The question here is: What will be the cost of his compulsory voting proposition?

The author recalls Modi often telling him that in politics “there are no full stops except those ordained by destiny”. Mukhopadhyay regrets that “towards the end of writing the book, my interactions with Modi dwindled”. But, he says “the completion of this biography could not put a full stop in my quest for unraveling the enigma of Modi”.

Good luck to the author. Today there is natural curiosity as well as anxiety in sections of society about how Modi would conduct himself at the Centre if he becomes the Prime Minister. Well, going by his public declarations, he is expected to work for scam-free governance, faster decision-making mechanism, and open economy for growth-and-employment generation. That’s fine. The points of anxiety are: Would Muslims feel comfortable with him? Then what about the uplift of the poor and the have-nots who require special assistance for their legitimate march forward?

Modi is yet to fully reveal his development cards. For a final answer we will have to wait for the 2014 verdict. My reading of Modi is that he has the ability to explore new paths to silence his critics. As for his style of functioning, he is surely not an Atal Bihari Vajpayee. He will have to check his autocratic tendencies. Perhaps he will learn some lessons from the life books of Vajpayee and LK Advani.

The author has done an excellent job. Kudos once again to Mukhopadhyay for giving us an absorbing account of the politician who might be a trend-setter in India’s much-needed change. That would indeed be Modi’s crowning moment for being the leader with a difference.

The reviewer is former editor, The Tribune
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Supratik wrote:We are assuming that the Indian electorate is very advanced. It is not. Modi has to let others hammer home the message that he is a "pichara" i.e. backward caste. OBCs make up the majority of India according to Sachar committee report. If he has the OBCs, the FCs and a section of SCs he has a winning formula. The articulation of vision should be limited to the middle class. The caste card should be used to the hilt (there is no need to act shy if you want to win) and there should be some dal-roti vision to sell to the poor who make up the majority.
I do not fully understand the concept of 'advanced'; because even in Western democracies - that are considered to be 'advanced' people vote on emotive issues. For example Obama had to run around claiming he was not a Muslim - it did not matter if was a Muslim or a Christian or an atheist. America is still not 'advanced' to vote an atheist into office. The point is no country is 'advanced' when it comes to voting.

So are we saying, it is okay for Modi to not differentiate between Hindus and Muslims; but then he should differentiate between Hindus to get votes? Rising tide lifts all ships - small and big. It is a good time to unite Indian citizens, there is a person who can do that.
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There is little hope for India as long as the Congress remains in power.

http://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/ ... s_issuing/
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^^ Which is why NM declares in his address to BJP karyakartas in Talkatora, Delhi earlier this year that "removing the Congress from power is priority number 1" and "the country is ready to root out the Congress".

Meanwhile, while "conventional" political paties spend money to rent crowds for their rallies... NM scripts a different game in Mana Bhagayanagaram Hyderabadu this coming Aug 11...

BJP to cash in on Modi's speeches by charging Rs.5 as ticket price for his rallies

Sufficiently provocative headline or what? Buried somewhere in the story is the fact that the money is meant for UKD floods relief. Cong counting fully on excitable numbskulls reading only the lame headline and ejack-ul-lating to confusions, err conclusions....

Meanwhile, this li'l snippet did catch my eye...
Over the next few days, the party plans to put up hoardings in all villages in districts around Hyderabad. The idea is to get representatives from all villages in Telangana region to listen to Modi. The state BJP is banking on a combination of Telangana slogan, Hindutva and Modi appeal to do well in the ten districts of Telangana in the 2014 elections. Having promised to deliver on Telangana within months of coming to power at the centre, the BJP hopes the Modi factor will help it do better than the other political parties who also are riding the Telangana bandwagon.
{Yawn. SOP stuff I reckon. Areas around my locality have seen bus stops enveloped in NM posters past few days, BTW...}

The BJP will next take Modi to Rajahmundry in East Godavari district to woo the farmers. And if the Hyderabad experiment turns out to be a success, the BJP would have sown the seeds for a new way of campaigning.
Wah. Takes b@lls of steel to head to costa after showing T-vadis T-dreams just the day before.... wonder how this will pan out. Good that NM is not allowing the mercurial CBN a free run in his catchment. CBN is welcome to try his luck, likewise, in Guj, of course....
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Karan M wrote:There is little hope for India as long as the Congress remains in power.

http://www.reddit.com/r/india/comments/ ... s_issuing/
Maybe that was what ConP wanted to achieve:
The CBI-IB conflict threatens to unravel India's internal security . IB has stopped verifying and issuing terror related alerts after the other central agency embroiled its officers in Ishrat Jehan case. State governments are getting only that intelligence which Multi Agency Center (MAC) receives via other agencies. A senior official in Home Ministry confided that the Ministry has not received IB's intelligence briefing on terror related activities since last month.
"Tum apni chhuriyon par tez dhaar lagaana taaki halaal hone wale jaanwar ko takleef na ho......"

"You sharpen you blades very well, so the animal to be halaaled doesn't suffer much."

In case LeT and JeM killers are crossing over to kill modi and amit shah their path should not be obstructed in anyway by IB and other sister agencies. :x
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^^What we don't know is whether IB is dumb enough to fall for what the INC wants. Doubt synasty has a great fan in the IB at this time.

How do we know IB is not "informally" passing on relevant info to state govts that actually listen to what IB says, eh? Just saying... only.
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muraliravi wrote:
The game is being setup for congress-bsp alliance. Congress has full (i mean absolute total control over mulayam, his family and his full party). They can use him to show as if he is pulling down govt if they decide to go for early polls. But more importantly they will make him issue statements like this so that he repels mullah vote from SP. In the process he may lap up some hindu minded vote. But the game is push all mullah vote in UP as mush as possible (even more than in 2009) towards congress. Then congress will ally with maya. A dalit-muslim alliance in UP is about 40% of the vote and not even Namo power infinity can crack that.
mulla Yadav has mulla's vote from around western UP onree, the region where Azam Khan come from and that is the onree reason Azam Khan is a minister instead of guest in a gray bar hotel, kangi had to donate kazi of Red Mosque to SP so that
SP gathers vote in the UP Vidhan sabha/ Vidhan parishad election remember 4 family members got tikit and saar make no mistake kazi lal mosque is a kongi he does not fart without headquarters orders let alone his family members contesting election on SP tikits. SP is already in Kongi pakits, BSP supremo is cunningly cunning she is waiting to ascertain the wind direction on one side one of her most trusted aide(BSP has onree aide no member) is singing odes to NaMo and then getting public reprimand from supreme leader, all this is drama, in BSP not even a fly utters a word without behenji's orders. this time around all parties have realized that it will be between t
the under 35's and over 35's regardless of worshiping mode or class under 35's are around 65 percent they are itching to go they have the requisite education they are watching how their parents or they themselves add water to milk so that every family member gets a sip while they watch dilli sarkar loot and make no mistakes saar no one i repeat no one likes to take his/her BPL card and que for 5 kgs of cheap grains this is the future with kangress and NaMo has promised them there won't be the need for BPL card all shall shop in Malls the public has realized this at least people from UP,Punjab,Bihar and Chattisgarh can't say about the rest.
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BJP stunned, Sinha scrambles

Advani — now wedded to “secularism”— bounced off a note of caution to Yashwant Sinha, his acolyte. In a newspaper article that appeared today, Sinha wrote that the “more” Modi spoke, the more his baiters will create controversies and try and deflect people’s attention from the UPA’s “misgovernance and corruption”. “It will be criminal negligence on our part to allow them to get away with it.”

Hours after Sinha’s piece — seen in some quarters as veiled criticism — appeared, the Congress fired at Modi. Sinha hastily spoke to a channel in which he tweaked his earlier submissions and said: “Modi is the most popular leader not just in the BJP but also in the country. He is an asset. Under his leadership, the BJP will do well.”

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130716/j ... 121920.jsp
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the INC Is trying to distract attention from the failings of Yuvraj by having a set of people take daily shots at Modi in turns.

who is the INC PM candidate? one day digvijay says its not Yuvraj, next day he retracts and says it is.

MMS has not publicly ruled out a 3rd term, saying merely "we will cross that bridge when we come to it"

ideally the INC would like some dhristarashtra like MMS to lord over the burning kingdom while shakuni mama types flit around doing what they please and Yuvraj can continue on his 5 foreign vacations a year and "rebuild the youth congress"
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dont think yuvraj is keen for that post, it might be MMS as he is now well trained by the raja matha
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People are actually paying to see Modi in Hyderabad...

Modinomics: Pay Rs 5 to attend Narendra Modi's rally in Hyderabad
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just like "jihad" is a unifying tent and umbrella for all shades of islamics to unite under a cause or for special elites to control vast and disparate faithful around the world, "secularism" performs the same big tent role in India - a arena for all warlords to gather, divide up their land grants and framework to operate under the italian led sultanate's overall control.

1947 came and went and we are still far from freedom. the british did a tremendous job that MKG, JLN and various broken down royals and sikulars & mansandars were left firmly place to decide our nation's path and people like SP and SB were heckled and marginalized.
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A really hard hitting piece by s gurumurthy in the indian express about all this nazi/fascist/hindunationalist terminology being thrown about.

newindianexpress.com/opinion/Aurobindo-Vivekananda-and-Gandhi-too-oxymorons/2013/07/16/article1685661.ece
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SwamyG wrote:BJP on principle should not have to go for any specific group - be it Mulisms, Christians, Hindus ityadi - let alone Dalits. Modi has several items in his vision that benefits all citizens. So as far as winning elections go, BJP has to point out how that vision will benefit all sections of people. And this needs to be hammered down the throats and minds. Focusing on Dalits is === to appeasement of Muslims.
This vision etc goes well into your mind when you have something to eat and some time to think. Try to lecture a bunch of hungry discriminated dalits on vision and imagine what reaction you will get. This ignorance is one of the major reason why BJP lost in 2004. You give vision to college students and middle class, but you must promise 'do wakht ki roti' and 'aatmasanmaan' (food and dignity) to poors, there your 'vision' will not be even comprehended. khali pet dimagh nahi chalata hai. Lets try and experiment selling 'vision' to our maids, kamwali bai living in urban city and if successful we can then think of how it can be sold to the poors and dalits in villages, towns.
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MMS is 80? 81?

a shankar dhayal sharma as PM..
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MMS still is living and would like to continue as PM. Another term is likely with all our people happy in their state of affairs. So, I would not be surprised if he is back. :)
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abhijitm wrote: Lets try and experiment selling 'vision' to our maids, kamwali bai living in urban city and if successful we can then think of how it can be sold to the poors and dalits in villages, towns.
have you yourself done that?saar, you will be surprised, moi have a very large family which means a huge quantity
of what you call maids, kaamwaalese and poor who work the house the orchards and the land, this time it those poor and kaamwalese and maids who are were trying to canvass for NaMo thinking since moi lives in videsh must not be well versed in day to day politikal landscape.
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^ impressive. My maid who is a widow, lives on borrowed money, has paralysed 20+ yrs old son whom she cant treat, live in rented slum, usually sleeps half hungry doesnt care about this.
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^^^ and you allow her to sleep half hungry?!?
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Afte "Hindu nationalist" statement from NaMo, perhaps attacks on Modi will grow.

As a kind of organizational expertise that NaMo/BJP has shown during NaMo's elected times as CM of Gujarat is simply superb.

However an organizational behavior from Hindu as Hindu nationalist would give all kind of heartburns to those who claim sole legitimacy for organization and deride others for exactly the same. How this plays out will be interesting.
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niran wrote:^^^ and you allow her to sleep half hungry?!?
there are hundrends of thousands of like her, probably millions. what do you want me to do, adopt her? I can feed her family some times but not every day. There is no such thing as free lunch. If i had a business i could have employed her but that is not a case. Though you feel sorry for them after certain limit you are helpless. We need a leader who can strike a cord with them and give them a hope and provide basic needs, not for free but with proper social development. It is difficult to convince a person of national issue when his/her problem is how to earn food for tomorrow.
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If you just count people below and near poverty line, most of them have similar social problems.
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no, you are not expected to feed everybody. just the ones who works in your home. its not like they eat rich. 500 rs extra is all it takes for the maid's kid to eat (at ration shop rice prices) and i gladly give her that extra, compared to the wage given by neighbors.
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SwamyG wrote: I do not fully understand the concept of 'advanced'; because even in Western democracies - that are considered to be 'advanced' people vote on emotive issues. For example Obama had to run around claiming he was not a Muslim - it did not matter if was a Muslim or a Christian or an atheist. America is still not 'advanced' to vote an atheist into office. The point is no country is 'advanced' when it comes to voting.

So are we saying, it is okay for Modi to not differentiate between Hindus and Muslims; but then he should differentiate between Hindus to get votes? Rising tide lifts all ships - small and big. It is a good time to unite Indian citizens, there is a person who can do that.
The US being an older democracy and developed country is "relatively more advanced" than India. What you say is good in theory. However, on the ground this is how things work in India at this stage. So if you want to wrestle the pig you have to get dirty.
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abhijitm wrote: This vision etc goes well into your mind when you have something to eat and some time to think. Try to lecture a bunch of hungry discriminated dalits on vision and imagine what reaction you will get. This ignorance is one of the major reason why BJP lost in 2004. You give vision to college students and middle class, but you must promise 'do wakht ki roti' and 'aatmasanmaan' (food and dignity) to poors, there your 'vision' will not be even comprehended. khali pet dimagh nahi chalata hai. Lets try and experiment selling 'vision' to our maids, kamwali bai living in urban city and if successful we can then think of how it can be sold to the poors and dalits in villages, towns.
Valid point ... the message has to be communicated in terms people can understand ... can the Kaamwali understand that the reason she lives such a pathetic life is because of loot.

But the BJP cannot make that argument very strongly because it also has skeletons to hide (albeit much smaller than Congie skeletons).

In MP there is a famous IAS couple with assets of hundreds of crores who are still living in government provided accommodation. The hubby was apparently a big honcho handling arms deals in Vajpayee's Defense Ministry.

As an aside, it would be better to discuss with neighbours' domestic employees rather than one's own. One should not bring politics into one's relations with one's own employees ... one could be accused of unfairly taking advantage of employer status.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Gus wrote:no, you are not expected to feed everybody. just the ones who works in your home. its not like they eat rich. 500 rs extra is all it takes for the maid's kid to eat (at ration shop rice prices) and i gladly give her that extra, compared to the wage given by neighbors.
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That much I make sure I do for folks who I have personally come in contact with. Of course, for the multitudes, a systemic solution is needed to be found.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Gus wrote:no, you are not expected to feed everybody. just the ones who works in your home. its not like they eat rich. 500 rs extra is all it takes for the maid's kid to eat (at ration shop rice prices) and i gladly give her that extra, compared to the wage given by neighbors.
Paying regularly more than the market rate because you feel sorry for somebody is not a healthy economics. So, yours is the privileged one, thats all. Otherwise to how many other people you are willing to pay more?
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abhijitm wrote:
Gus wrote:no, you are not expected to feed everybody. just the ones who works in your home. its not like they eat rich. 500 rs extra is all it takes for the maid's kid to eat (at ration shop rice prices) and i gladly give her that extra, compared to the wage given by neighbors.
Paying regularly more than the market rate because you feel sorry for somebody is not a healthy economics. So, yours is the privileged one, thats all. Otherwise to how many other people you are willing to pay more?
Think of it as paying for yourself - how much are you willing to pay for the comfort that somebody so closely associated with you is not sleeping hungry at night? Rs 500? Would you feel uncomfortable seeing their face in the morning if you knew they had slept hungry?
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I occassionally ask my maid to do some extra cleaning and pay handsomely for that. Thats all I can do. But the actual problem is far severe.
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Any idea about % of minority votebank in UP? Official or unofficial? Is it 75-25, 60-40 - anything?

The govt is not releasing demographic figures even when the whole govt runs on public money.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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A maid who sleeps half hungry would surely be miffed that the gobermint is more concerned about minorities and secularism than people like her innit?
Surely she would identify with someone who comes from a humble background who promises to make life better for everyone innit?

Anyway, Modiji is smart enough not to compromise on his core support group. By constantly attacking the congress brand of secularism he is doing exactly that. Modiji only needs to talk about hindu nationalism, he doesnt even have to utter the words Ram Mandir to get the same kind of reaction that Loh Purush would get in his heydays.

It goes without saying that his track record wrt development speaks for itself. I think he will deliver 200 seats
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