Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Jul 2013 08:31

spending should be balanced by benefits and outcomes and the balance sheet of indirect revenues.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 22 Jul 2013 08:42

viv wrote:
Agnimitra wrote:I notice a lot of overseas Indians are viciously anti-Modi. They slander and dismiss him as a demon at every public forum they get. .
I hope not, but what is your sample size?

pandyan wrote:Agnimitra - where did you hear that? last I checked, that is one group strongly behind Namo

Mostly AID/ASHA type desis and their extended social groups. But this is not just among overseas Indians, also among many at home. My sample size is limited and probably skewed.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 22 Jul 2013 09:40

SaiK wrote:people can be swayed in by performance alone.. if those middle class voters who generally do not vote, can be captured, then modi with his performance data can swing. nearly 35% vote base is what i am talking.

Does any of the Indian cities vote different from its surroundings. Chennai, Chandigarh, Banglore, Mumbai, Delhi, Kolkatta.

Indian middle class is too poorly distributed. A corollary of the lopsided urbanization. Both are related aspects. That is why they will not be able to affect the voting pattern of the masses. And that is why the urban areas see smaller voting percentages. People in urban areas do not believe that their votes will make a proportional difference. On top of that a lot of people in urban areas continue to hold votes in their rural villages.

Swinging the masses is more important then appealing to the middle class. Middle class is not suicidal, they are merely easily distracted. Considerable difference. I am rather confident that they are already listening to the NaMo message. The rural non middle class has to be properly approached.

TIFWIW

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 22 Jul 2013 10:05

SURAT: Even as the midday meal tragedy that took innocent lives in Bihar, 1.65 lakh children in Surat are being served fresh meals cooked within 6 hours using mechanized methods.

The important aspect is that the meal is freshly prepared every day and served piping hot in 372 primary schools of Surat.

"The work of serving a hot meal to children is going on from the past one year on public private partnership (PPP) basis." This scheme is run jointly by the grant of state government, Surat Municipal Corporation ( SMC) and Akshay Patra Foundation in the city.

Akshaypatra Foundation started supplying hot midday meals in June 2012 to 60,000 students which has now spread to 1.65 lakh students.

A central kitchen is set up at Bhagyoday industrial estate in Puna area of the city. "Automatic machines are used for making chapatis and cleaning wheat and dal," said a worker of the foundation.

In a radius of 60 km from the kitchen, the food is supplied in steel utensils. The kitchen uses 6,000 kg of vegetables, 2500 kg of pulses, 4500 kg of rice and 2500 kg of wheat flour to make chapatis daily.

"We have a special machine to clean rice and wheat that makes 40,000 chapatis in an hour, 3000 litres of dal in 45 minutes and cooks 100 kg of rice in 20 minutes," worker said.

Hot meals served to 1.65 lakh students in Surat daily

habal · Post by **habal** » 22 Jul 2013 10:06

Hari Seldon wrote:Are journos under sooo much pressure or is the 'social proof' in journalism ("everyone's doing it, so must be OK") this stifling? Time will tell, or won't, maybe.

If Narender Modi becomes Prime Minister, then all this journos will make 360 degree turn. And make fun of Rahul Gandhi and Sonia Gandhi. During NDA rule, one could rarely hear journalists speak out against NDA shenanigans, moral or immoral, just or unjust.

So inshort, journos are supreme opportunists. And 99.5% of India doesn't know of them nor do they value their opinions.
Maybe a few in Mumbai or a few in Delhi, but these types don't vote anyways.

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Jul 2013 10:07

Tomorrow's TOI headline: #BlowToModi, 1.65 lakh students were going hungry till last year.

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Jul 2013 10:16

Sri wrote:today's TOI is hitting Modi hard on declining spending in rural and urban areas. It is the top story on front page.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Gujarat-slides-in-both-rural-and-urban-spending-data-reveals/articleshow/21229651.cms

Of course it does. Apocraphically,

In 2005/2006, in a town in Guj. there was this guy who ordered and installed a "sunk in" jetted tub with both hot and cold water inlets. Of course it had inline water heaters to supply the hot water which was running of electricity. This is not very remote town, but till 1995 had real pigs feeding off the garbage in town square or finding dead animals in the town water supply with regular outbreak of cholera (as was told by the customer). The same guy has decided to send his kid to Singapore to be called "foreign returned" (so that he has better prospects in future marriage "market").

So there is a shift in spending (or consumption) habits and the above data from TOI does not capture it.

disha · Post by **disha** » 22 Jul 2013 10:22

Agnimitra wrote:Mostly AID/ASHA type desis and their extended social groups. But this is not just among overseas Indians, also among many at home. My sample size is limited and probably skewed.

Is that Harsh Mander's AID? Both AID/ASHA types are full of self-hating dhimmis. They reflect their own prejudices on NaMo (or everything Hindu/Indian) and hate "them".

Is there a psychological word for this malady? That is I hate "X" (person or thing)., because I project the parts I do not like about myself on "X".

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 22 Jul 2013 10:44

AID/ASHA are the charities of leftist/secularist types. Ofcourse they will not like NM.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 22 Jul 2013 12:45

devesh wrote:any study or theory which has an obsession of spending==growth needs to be watched for its source. Entire West has been thrown into a deep hole based on that theory. now we have money printing to avert disaster.

Indian better not travel the same path. there has to be some accountability.

+1.

Too late I say. The slate needs to be cleared for this understanding to dawn on the people of the world.

Chandrasekhar · Post by **Chandrasekhar** » 22 Jul 2013 13:54

Narendra Modi missing from Shivraj Singh Chouhan's campaign posters

The posters that have been put up for the yatra has veteran leader LK Advani, party chief Rajnath Singh, Sushma Swaraj and Atal Bihari Vajpayee. However, a closer look reveals that Gujarat CM is nowhere to seen in the same posters.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 Jul 2013 13:55

All national BJP leaders but no Narendra Modi in MP CM's posters - http://ibnlive.in.com/news/all-national ... 37-64.html

Ujjain: Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan will launch his re-election yatra on Monday. But ahead of it, posters put up for the yatra include all national BJP leaders but not his rival Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi. The posters depict LK Advani, party chief Rajnath Singh, Sushma Swaraj and Atal Bihari Vajpayee....

This comes at a time when Narendra Modi is travelling around the country after being anointed as the BJP election campaign panel chief. In fact, BJP President Rajnath Singh has been all praise for Modi saying he is the only leader with 'national appeal'. ...

This even as Advani has been preferring Chouhan over Modi. Chouhan had last month also differed with Modi when he raised the Kedarnath temple rebuilding issue after the Uttarakhand floods. Chouhan had said the time was not right to discuss about reconstruction of the shrine in Uttarakhand destroyed in the flash floods. "The time is not right... There is no hurry in talking about the reconstruction of the Kedarnath temple. It will be taken care of by the Uttarakhand government," Chouhan had said.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 22 Jul 2013 14:00

well well the worlds leading poverty scholar does as ordered to retain his keep and "good offices" with GOI....

IBNLIVE:
Amartya Sen says he does not approve of Narendra Modi's governance model as he has not done enough to make minorities feel safe.
I do not approve of Modi's governance mode: Sen
'He hasn't done much to make minorities feel safe'

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 22 Jul 2013 14:23

Abhishek Sharma uvacha- Quoting Shri Krishna from here

This is a strange situation. The last king has been killed and the new king has not been selected. Anyone could have tried to occupy this throne by force, but I was referring to the process of electing a king. This land of Yadavs should be run like a republic. The head of this republic is called a king. Kansa appointed himself the king and took away all rights of the citizens. You guys did not protest. This was not just inappropriate. You were supporting injustice and cruelty. This nonchalance towards power and administration is not good for any society. Now we have to select a new king, but we can't show that carelessness again. The change of rulers is a rebirth of any state. Such times are important and decisive in the history of any country/society. A small mistake can hand over the power to a person who will sell the country and society for his personal interests.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 Jul 2013 16:07

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Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 Jul 2013 16:11

Cracks widen within Bihar BJP - http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1864124/r ... -bihar-bjp
Monday, Jul 22, 2013, 13:56 IST | Place: Patna | Agency: PTI

Cracks are widening within Bihar BJP with more party legislators coming in the open and alleging lack of inner democracy with one MLA openly vouching for Chief Minister Nitish Kumar saying he would serve as a better Prime Minister.

The voice of rebellion that started yesterday by party MLA from Hayaghat in Darbhanga, Amarnath Gami is growing shriller and more and more MLAs are venting anger against party affairs and particularly blaming senior party leader Sushil Kumar Modi for the sorry condition.

BJP MLA from Jale in Darbhanga Vijay Kumar Mishra came out in support of Gami.

"Injustice has been done with Gami who has been suspended from the party without show cause notice," Mishra told PTI today.

He said he is with Gami in this battle of justice.

BJP MLA from Moiuddinnagar in Samastipur Rana Gangeshwar Singh is more forthcoming.

Singh sang paens to CM Nitish Kumar and said if JD(U) gets 20-30 MPs in the 2014 parliamentary elections, he would definitely become Prime Minister.

Singh questioned "rigidity" of party on name of Narendra Modi and suggested party leadership to "change the player" so that Nitish Kumar could be brought back to NDA.

"I am openly with Nitish Kumar and can make any sacrifice for him," he told PTI.

Gami in the meantime said he has no repentance as he spoke the truth.

Narendra Singh, a senior minister in the Nitish Kumar government, claimed that "around 42 BJP MLAs and 17 from RJD are standing on the doors of JD(U)".

Good riddance!

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 Jul 2013 16:21

Rajnath Singh's tribute to Narendra Modi upsets other BJP leaders: sources - http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/rajna ... eststories

Stopping just short of naming Mr Modi as the prime ministerial candidate, the BJP chief said: "He is the one single leader with national appeal."

Sources say senior leaders LK Advani, Sushma Swaraj and Jaswant Singh are among those who have objected to their party president's comments, calling them "unwarranted", especially in the US.

Sources say Modi's critics in the party have pointed out that the appeal of leaders like Advani, a former deputy Prime Minister, and others who had won several Lok Sabha terms, cannot be underestimated.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Jul 2013 16:30

^ Wow. The NM juggernaut seems to be hitting air pockets. Expected. Expect UPA to pull out all stops and pull in all sops to widen the cracks within the BJP. As it is BJP is a party out of power, so its many members are not that well off anyway and can be easily swayed by inducements, seems like.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Jul 2013 16:47

^^ Oh please, NDTV has been playing this "schism within BJP" tune morning evening night desperately hoping for their fervent prayers to come true.

A day before BJP announced its team formation for 2014, NDTV was offering that the exercise was indefinitely postponed due to infighting.

So far it is all playing along a well scripted drama by all accounts -- to be able to go and piss of Nitish Kumar to force him to break the alliance means how much solid consensus exists within BJP right now.

NDTV will keep proclaiming its nonsense till a day before Modi becomes PM, and maybe even after, I dont think they will be able to ever accept the changed world.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Jul 2013 16:48

"As a citizen of India, I definitely don't want to see the Dynasty in power - with or without PM responsibility."

Now that Amartya Sen has started the trend of wearing his politics on his sleeve - Modi should suggest the above as the motto for every Indian.

(Added later - would be better if this comes from a third-party "intellectual" type, not Modi).

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 22 Jul 2013 16:54

Chouhan has a severe case of the Nitish disease -

Chouhan says Advani BJP's supreme leader

At a time when Narendra Modi’s rising status as the BJP’s face for the 2014 Lok Sabha polls is the talk of the town, Madhya Pradesh chief minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan said that party patriarch LK Advani is the supreme leader of the BJP.

“Advaniji is our supreme leader, Advaniji and Atalji. I say this and everyone in the party says this,” Chouhan said in an interview at Ujjain, “He is our mentor. Many like Shivraj Singh have been mentored and nurtured by him.”

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India-new ... 96470.aspx

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 22 Jul 2013 17:06

There is no doubt that NaMo is not yet as tall as either LKA or AB. He has to earn his position. Even though NM's current popularity is higher than LKA or AB, he has not yet achieved the successes of LKA+AB duo. There is a high chance he may be able to do that, IFF (IF and only IF) the party stands united and focused in the next elections.

If NM brings home a BJP tally of 200, he would have earned his place with LKA, AB. For all NM's success, let us not forget the foundation from where he is firing has been built with LKA+AB+others. Calling LKA as the Supreme leader of BJP does not reduce NM's prominence in any way.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 22 Jul 2013 17:21

prahaar wrote:There is no doubt that NaMo is not yet as tall as either LKA or AB. He has to earn his position. Even though NM's current popularity is higher than LKA or AB, he has not yet achieved the successes of LKA+AB duo. There is a high chance he may be able to do that, IFF (IF and only IF) the party stands united and focused in the next elections.

If NM brings home a BJP tally of 200, he would have earned his place with LKA, AB. For all NM's success, let us not forget the foundation from where he is firing has been built with LKA+AB+others. Calling LKA as the Supreme leader of BJP does not reduce NM's prominence in any way.

Some say Modi was the prime strategist behind Advani's Rath Yatra of 1990. If that is true - NaMo is as tall as LKA/AB if not taller.

Not questioning Shivraj Chouhan here - just providing an 'academic' perspective to your post.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 22 Jul 2013 17:27

Use Your Ghatotkachas And Indra Shaktis Wisely

Huh?

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 22 Jul 2013 17:32

Arjun wrote:
prahaar wrote:There is no doubt that NaMo is not yet as tall as either LKA or AB. He has to earn his position. Even though NM's current popularity is higher than LKA or AB, he has not yet achieved the successes of LKA+AB duo. There is a high chance he may be able to do that, IFF (IF and only IF) the party stands united and focused in the next elections.

If NM brings home a BJP tally of 200, he would have earned his place with LKA, AB. For all NM's success, let us not forget the foundation from where he is firing has been built with LKA+AB+others. Calling LKA as the Supreme leader of BJP does not reduce NM's prominence in any way.
Some say Modi was the prime strategist behind Advani's Rath Yatra of 1990. If that is true - NaMo is as tall as LKA/AB if not taller.

Not questioning Shivraj Chouhan here - just giving your post some 'academic' thought.

The brainchild behind the whole Ram Janmabhoomi movement was someone from RSS, Advani was the political face of it. Modiji did great work, not belittling his work. NM had also accompanied MMJ from Kanyakumari to Lalchowk for flag hoisting. My point was that LKA+AB lead BJP to achieve 180+. If/when NM takes BJP to 180-200-more, there will be numerous young-Modis who would have performed not differently than NM in his young days.

Cong(I) has lost this charming renewal loop. In early 90s, I had started appreciating Cong(I) as a young RSS supporter, since there were almost nobodies (by birth) like PVNR, Kesri, etc. In a big country like India, we should not be uncomfortable with a bevy of leaders considered as top leaders (this is not addressed to you Arjunji, a general statement).

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 22 Jul 2013 17:34

people are propping lka only to show their kujlee at modi....they are not opposing modi because they wanted advani. if advani died today, they will find somebody else to prop.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 22 Jul 2013 17:38

Gus wrote:people are propping lka only to show their kujlee at modi....they are not opposing modi because they wanted advani. if advani died today, they will find somebody else to prop.

Or maybe,just maybe there are too many people invested in LKA and their proximity to power centers are endangered by the presence/rise of Modi.

BTW, twitter was abuzz with how Arun Jaitley helped Congress kith and kin through some court cases and did not charge a fee!

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 22 Jul 2013 18:04

Hari Seldon wrote:Use Your Ghatotkachas And Indra Shaktis Wisely

Huh?

Take a bow, Atri ji.
Believe you were the first and foremost to talk of these aspects.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 22 Jul 2013 18:12

krisna wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:Use Your Ghatotkachas And Indra Shaktis Wisely

Huh?
Take a bow, Atri ji.
Believe you were the first and foremost to talk of these aspects.

Interesting !! Thanks.. Yes, I was..

Although my premise was slightly different and on larger scale.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Jul 2013 18:17

krisna wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:Use Your Ghatotkachas And Indra Shaktis Wisely

Huh?
Take a bow, Atri ji.
Believe you were the first and foremost to talk of these aspects.

Accurate, expect the bit about why Modi's foes are wasting their weapons. The reason is not Rajnath Singh (he is merely the face) -- it is LKA. LKA is to canny a politician to waste his powers so easily. He would have patiently bid his time post elections, and just not have BJP name a explicit contender.

He chose to do his little sooside so that NiKu could be drawn out, and if he had to muddy the waters, he would be forced to do early rather than late.

Advani's little nautanki was to force NiKu to move now than later.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 22 Jul 2013 18:38

Wow...Atri u had posted on simlar lines many pages back.
Apart from Mahabharata, the article also reminded me of tactics of Russian Sniper Vassily Zaitsev in Battle of stalingrad.
Lets see whats the bait that will draw pappu out.

manju · Post by **manju** » 22 Jul 2013 18:55

You mean like what DeveGowda did to Kumarswamy in Karnataka. DeveGowda, I think resigned from JD (S) at that time because he said he was p ssed with his son Kumarswamy

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Jul 2013 19:06

manju wrote:You mean like what DeveGowda did to Kumarswamy in Karnataka. DeveGowda, I think resigned from JD (S) at that time because he said he was p ssed with his son Kumarswamy

Yes, I did not realize this parallel existed, but that is a good example.

Another example on similar lines is MSY telling Akhilesh that his

government was not performing.

Many can play this game.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 22 Jul 2013 19:12

Sorry saars me not buying this LOL purush is chanakian theory

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 22 Jul 2013 19:25

Azam khan calls uttarakhand hindus "kutte ke pille" (dog's children) :

I'm peppering this again and again on timesnow and indiaTV channels facebook pages, but no response in last 2 hours.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 22 Jul 2013 19:29

Its an dated article in which A. Sen advices Tony Blair only to accept Christian faith schools, not other faith schools, now lecturing on NaMo. Sen is nothing but fifth columnist.

Only Christian faith schools are acceptable: Amartya Sen

Christian schools "are perfectly acceptable" but other faith schools "are a big mistake and should be scrapped if the Government wants to encourage a unifying British identity," Sen said in an interview to Daily Telegraph.

Claiming that the faith schools have been set up since the Government wanted to give them parity with Christian institutions, he said, "I am actually absolutely appalled."

Sen, who has come from Harvard, is on a Britain tour delivering lectures on how religion is being used to pull this country apart and to encourage inter-communal violence.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 22 Jul 2013 19:29

Mahendra wrote:Sorry saars me not buying this LOL purush is chanakian theory

Not selling Mahdi. Gyan is always free, people decide what to pick themselves.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 22 Jul 2013 20:08

prahaar wrote:There is no doubt that NaMo is not yet as tall as either LKA or AB. He has to earn his position. Even though NM's current popularity is higher than LKA or AB, he has not yet achieved the successes of LKA+AB duo. There is a high chance he may be able to do that, IFF (IF and only IF) the party stands united and focused in the next elections.

If NM brings home a BJP tally of 200, he would have earned his place with LKA, AB. For all NM's success, let us not forget the foundation from where he is firing has been built with LKA+AB+others. Calling LKA as the Supreme leader of BJP does not reduce NM's prominence in any way.

Prahaar Ji, Challenger always looks out of league. His shortcomings exaggerated, his strengths looks like they need honing. They always look brash and seldom worthy. But at back of your mind when you are making these calculations you kinda feel that if and only if situation is perfect, things are in place and team is together the challenger can win. If this happens then you know that you are quietly rooting for him.

Niether NM nor RG have to peak now. Time will come.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 22 Jul 2013 20:38

prahaar wrote:
Arjun wrote:There is no doubt that NaMo is not yet as tall as either LKA or AB. He has to earn his position. Even though NM's current popularity is higher than LKA or AB, he has not yet achieved the successes of LKA+AB duo. There is a high chance he may be able to do that, IFF (IF and only IF) the party stands united and focused in the next elections.

If NM brings home a BJP tally of 200, he would have earned his place with LKA, AB. For all NM's success, let us not forget the foundation from where he is firing has been built with LKA+AB+others. Calling LKA as the Supreme leader of BJP does not reduce NM's prominence in any way.
Some say Modi was the prime strategist behind Advani's Rath Yatra of 1990. If that is true - NaMo is as tall as LKA/AB if not taller.

Not questioning Shivraj Chouhan here - just giving your post some 'academic' thought.

The brainchild behind the whole Ram Janmabhoomi movement was someone from RSS, Advani was the political face of it. Modiji did great work, not belittling his work. NM had also accompanied MMJ from Kanyakumari to Lalchowk for flag hoisting. My point was that LKA+AB lead BJP to achieve 180+. If/when NM takes BJP to 180-200-more, there will be numerous young-Modis who would have performed not differently than NM in his young days.

Cong(I) has lost this charming renewal loop. In early 90s, I had started appreciating Cong(I) as a young RSS supporter, since there were almost nobodies (by birth) like PVNR, Kesri, etc. In a big country like India, we should not be uncomfortable with a bevy of leaders considered as top leaders (this is not addressed to you Arjunji, a general statement).

Moropant Pingley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moropant_Pingley

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 22 Jul 2013 20:43

Does Amartya Sen have Indian citizenship? He speaks in London, works and lives in Harvard and preaches in New Delhi.