Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby SaiK » 25 Jul 2013 20:38

generally an over dramatic actor, but then have to give it to him for those days.. his performance of katta bomman is simply amazing.. he brought out the expressions and feel -- and will hurt you down to the core, how our own double-crossing b@$turds destroyed Indian-ness. you will shed tears for bharat and mr bomman.

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Postby Sushupti » 25 Jul 2013 21:19

Ram Guha and S Varadrajan says, on CNNIBN, that if Modi fights from Varanasi it will be communal but if he fights from Lucknow it will be secular :eek:

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Postby disha » 25 Jul 2013 21:44

Atish wrote:I said this 10 years ago and got abused in the choicest terms on BRF for this. I did more pathbreaking analysis every week at my job than Amartya Sen has done in his whole career (and I am not a particularly good analyst). If the fact that supply does not create its demand, the fact that Indians tend to be argumentative, and the fact that there is a distinction between law and justice (and justice is a good thing) are massive insights to you, then yes Amartya Sen is an intellectual giant. I knew these things with conviction at age 20 and suspected all this strongly by age 12. Could have written books ion these 3 topics by age 25 if I didnt think they are achingly obvious. What this a****** (and Amartya Sen's conduct in his financial matters and policy prescriptions make him deserve this epithet), has done is write books like this for the West where for the average college graduate emerging market economics and Indian civilization are a mystery and impressed the pants of them by stating well known facts with a Harvard and Cambridge stamps.

And since he is a Bong, Bengali chauvinism has adopted him as its latest poster boy, since Bengal has been singularly devoid of academic and scientific achievements lately, in stark contrast to its glory till the first half of 20th century.


Atish et al,

To Amartya Sen's credit (and from what I read and understood of his papers)., he somehow empirically proved that democracy does not cause famines but colonialism (or neo-colonialism) does. And he used Bengal famine as a case in point. This was path breaking since this has implications in Africa and South America, with tin-pot dictators stooges of neo-colonialism or cases like Rwanda.

And the above has implications for the way IMF and WB conducts their policy and their handlers in Europe and US.

So my CT is that he was "co-opted" by giving the Noble price in economics. In short, he was kicked upstairs and put into a glass house thus making him irrelevant.

So Amartya's Bharat-Ratna is justified. However Amartya wants to stay relevant (and not doll'ed up in a glass house) and is engaging in what we call as street-fights. That is like a highly decorated field marshal kicks up a storm by dabbling in a home assoc. fight.

His economics is socialist and he is entitled to his opinions and papers. Except he cannot push it down his opinions on a country and should learn to be an advisor when asked but not push down "gospels".

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Postby disha » 25 Jul 2013 21:46

Sushupti wrote:Ram Guha and S Varadrajan says, on CNNIBN, that if Modi fights from Varanasi it will be communal but if he fights from Lucknow it will be secular :eek:


If that is what they said, they just proved that they are idiots! Basically opened their mouth where not required and put their foot in their mouth publicly.

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Postby SaiK » 25 Jul 2013 21:46

wasn't given for his then sen (sane) rather now in-sen (insane)?

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Postby fanne » 25 Jul 2013 22:11

ho ho ppl still have doubts on suitability of some tv wallas

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Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2013 22:40

SaiK wrote:generally an over dramatic actor, but then have to give it to him for those days.. his performance of katta bomman is simply amazing.. he brought out the expressions and feel -- and will hurt you down to the core, how our own double-crossing b@$turds destroyed Indian-ness. you will shed tears for bharat and mr bomman.



My father took the whole family to see the picture when I was a kid. VPKB was my favorite for a long time. And SG was the Tamil actor for me.

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Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2013 22:41

Sushupti wrote:Ram Guha and S Varadrajan says, on CNNIBN, that if Modi fights from Varanasi it will be communal but if he fights from Lucknow it will be secular :eek:



If he wins in Lucknow, will Lucknow be called saffron?

Anyway are they the high priests of "psecularism' to designate folks?

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Postby RamaY » 25 Jul 2013 22:49

^ The more the secular-priests give such verdicts the better :mrgreen:

For some fun... From Faking News
With support of 65 MPs, Obama to fight next general elections in India
Washington, DC. After 65 Indian MPs involved him in domestic politics of India, US President Barack Obama is taking a keen interest in Indian politics and planning a more pro-active role.

“I didn’t knew so many Indian parliamentarians have such a deep faith in me, I’m touched,” said a happy Obama after receiving the letter signed by 65 MPs from India, twice over a period of few weeks.

“Since the US constitution doesn’t allow a third term as a President, and Indian constitution doesn’t bar a foreign born person from fighting elections, I am planning to commence my political career in India,” Obama told Faking News. :mrgreen:

Obama couldn’t control his laughter when he was told that he’d be counted as one of the young leaders of India when he makes his political debut.
Obama further told that he was planning to project himself as a “secular” alternative to Narendra Modi. :P {Perfect Mix: Barak for Jews, Hussain for Muslims, Obama for Christians, Black for Dalits, ex-USA President for Media and wanna-be-amrikaan youth}

“Frankly I don’t know this secular-communal shit in Indian politics, I tried to read up but it’s all so mixed up,” Obama said, “But it appears that people are secular if they oppose Narendra Modi, so be it! I’ve already the support of 65 anti-Modi MPs.” :lol:

“I also have a Nobel Prize, so even Amartya Sen can’t oppose me,” he added. :rotfl:

Experts believe that Obama’s move could indeed create a major upset in 2014 general elections. Since Obama is amenable only to US Congress and not to Sonia Gandhi’s Congress, the current ruling party could start attacking Obama.

“Obama is reported to be keeping a small idol of Hanuman, and this information could be used by Digvijay Singh to claim that Obama was communal,” a political expert predicted.

BJP is confused as they don’t know how to react. While Obama’s presence could divide anti-Modi votes, there is a risk that Obama sweeps the elections and BJP could lose yet another election.

Sources further claim that recent visit by US VP Joe Biden was actually to find political allies for Obama. One of the electoral promises Obama could come up is to promise US visa to Indian professionals – something that could help him sweep elections in cities populated by IT professionals.

Among other strategies that Obama could adopt, is not to lose American accent even while speaking Hindi.

“Winning elections by speaking Hindi with an accent is not new to India. Someone did it before, Mr. Obama will do it again,” winked Obama’s personal adviser, who has finalized this retirement plan for the incumbent US President.


And a comment that suites the spirit :rotfl:
Just divorce Michelle, and marry Rahul Gandhi. Yes we can.

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Postby member_22872 » 25 Jul 2013 22:54

Anyway are they the high priests of "psecularism' to designate folks?

To me secularists trying to out do one another and each trying to define their own version of secularism and each wanting to prove they are the most sincerest and most 'secular' in oulook seems analogous to greener than greenest syndrome afflicting our neighbour.

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Postby ramana » 25 Jul 2013 23:15

I had some time to think about the lettergate.

I think it went like this.


Big idea is to show NM low/down by having US reiterate their visa refusal.

The INC political wing of Ind Muj decided to rope in useful idiots among the Indian MPs and wrote a letter to Ombaba asking to reject visa for Modi inorder to stall the effort of NRIs/US business interests who are pushing hard for this move. Some signatures were added without consent and some might have been gotten on false pretences. Like just sign this petition as otehr have signed it. Or sign this as no one will know about it.

The US wing of the INC/Ind Muj decided to show their numbers for 65 Indian MPs is a substantial number and released it in open in US.

Now those whose signatures were obtained on false pretences or forged (so far 9 MPs) are denying that they agreed to the letter. The contra is 54MPs agree by their silence that they did submit a letter!

The Speakers of both houses if they have ingerity should probe why the official letterhead was sued for such purposes. But so long as it Ansari(wants to be President after Pranab Mukherjee) or Meira Kumar(wants to be PM) it wont happen.

Hence some sort of hulla has to be raised to put the onus on how institiuions like Parliment are being absued and subverted. To add insult to injury the Speakers are unwilling to even probe the abuse.

Forgery is still a Indian Penal Code Crime.

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Postby SaiK » 25 Jul 2013 23:22

"On the contrary analysis" should begin with bjp.. like, if they (kangrez) prove and accept it is a forged signature, it would imply they don't mean to be against modi given US vija. If they did, then they did not forge it.. such engagement will tire their minds out, and enable people think how cheap-o are these kangrez men.

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Postby Ashok Sarraff » 25 Jul 2013 23:25

Things look positive for BJP in UP and MP. Here are IBN CSDS predictions for BJP:

UP - 29 to 33 seats

MP - 21 to 25 seats

For UP report, click: http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/news/10427 ... picks=true

For MP report, click: http://khabar.ibnlive.in.com/news/104280/12/4

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Postby SaiK » 25 Jul 2013 23:30

The oomph that Modi as chief brings to BJP is actually the oomph that people want to realize what he has done for Gujarat needs to be repeated for other states. If Modi can create in his leadership, a plan for that in his manifestos, then securing more seats should not be a problem at all.

He has to begin is plan, and end up ensuring he has a solid plan for the country.

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Postby Sushupti » 25 Jul 2013 23:43

Arun Nehru passed away. With impending arrival of Modi in Delhi all those with Dynasty secrets falling like flies. For me the person who misled (as per secular-lib gangs of Delhi) Rajiv in opening locks of Ramjanmabhoomi temple.

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Postby Viv S » 26 Jul 2013 00:06

prahaar wrote:Irrespective of Chandan Mitra correctness in asking back the BR, after Sen has jumped into the political debate, he is not above examination. It is one thing to be an intellectual giving policy prescriptions as one deems fit but after making partisan public comments, BJP and every Indian citizen has every right to question him and his views (not limited by economics acumen of the person who is questioning).


Actually Chandan Mitra's correctness is the crux of the issue. Vina did not suggest that Amartya Sen's views were above reproach. Sen's opinions have been criticized before and they'll be criticized again. But demanding he be stripped of the Bharat Ratna is just plain nonsensical.

His economic arguments, whatever their merits/demerits may be, have broadly remained the same since 1999, his academic contributions have not been tainted (with say plagiarism for example) and he faces no charges of criminal conduct or otherwise anti-social behavior. And fact remains, he was not awarded the Bharat Ratna subject to maintaining a neutral political stance, nor was there any implied condition of neutrality.

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Postby Gus » 26 Jul 2013 00:08

karunanidhi has hastily denied any dmk MPs signing the letter and added for good measure, if any one did, there would be 'thakka nadavadikkai' (fitting action).

methinks, he is scared of modi setting the cbi without chains.

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Postby Viv S » 26 Jul 2013 00:14

Sushupti wrote:Rebellion in the ranks

Ultimately, the redoubtable RSS may still succeed in bringing Chouhan to heel with a mix of appeasement and threat, but the damage has well and truly been done already to the party, which now appears divided and dissidence- prone.

http://epaper.fpj.co.in/Details.aspx?id ... =111424843



Shivraj Singh Chauhan has maintained a low profile focused on his job, but he can't be 'threatened' and 'brought to heel' all that easily. His popularity with his electorate today arguably exceeds Modi's in Gujarat at his peak.


BJP gains, Modi’s popularity dips

The BJP's 2009 vote share in Gujarat could rise by seven percentage points were the general elections to be held now, even though Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s popularity has plunged five percentage points in his home state — 49 per cent to 44 per cent — since his government returned to power last December, and satisfaction with his administration slipped from 72 per cent to 64 per cent since July 2011.

But even as he has emerged in the public domain as the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate for 2014, the CNN-IBN-The Hindu Election Tracker poll shows two other party Chief Ministers find greater favour with the people of their own states. The level of satisfaction with Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chauhan’s government in Madhya Pradesh is 82 per cent and with Chief Minister Raman Singh’s government in Chattisgarh is 75 per cent. The satisfaction level with Mr. Modi’s government stands at 64 per cent. In a table of 18 States, Gujarat is tied at 7th place with Maharashtra, the poll found.

The approval ratings of the governments of Mr. Chauhan (CM since November 2005) and Mr. Singh (CM since 2003) stand at 64 per cent and 68 per cent respectively; for Gujarat, the corresponding figure is just 44 per cent, placing Mr. Modi ninth in a table of 18 Chief Ministers. And while the approval rating of Mr. Chauhan and Mr. Singh have gone up since July 2011 (when the CSDS had done another survey) by 14 and four percentage points respectively, Mr Modi’s has plummeted in the seven months since he returned to power for a third time in end-2012.

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Postby SwamyG » 26 Jul 2013 00:19

Atri wrote:Neoconverts like kishwar should be cautiously given importance, same as subbu swamy.

Ah!!! I have said it twice already on BRF, one must watch out for Kishwar. Call me cynic, but Modi camp needs to work on handling a googly at the end of her "fact finding mission". Plan for the worse is what I say. As far as Swamy.....just keep him far away. He is a chameleon; and like the good old villains in movie say after eliciting information from a traitor "goli maar do saale ko. never trust a traitor". Mamta, BSY, JJ, Swamy....ityadi are a bunch of jokers (borrowing Mohinder Amarantha's words). Aag se keloge to jal jaoge.

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Postby Sushupti » 26 Jul 2013 01:01

Viv S wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Rebellion in the ranks

Ultimately, the redoubtable RSS may still succeed in bringing Chouhan to heel with a mix of appeasement and threat, but the damage has well and truly been done already to the party, which now appears divided and dissidence- prone.

http://epaper.fpj.co.in/Details.aspx?id ... =111424843



Shivraj Singh Chauhan has maintained a low profile focused on his job, but he can't be 'threatened' and 'brought to heel' all that easily. His popularity with his electorate today arguably exceeds Modi's in Gujarat at his peak.


BJP gains, Modi’s popularity dips

The BJP's 2009 vote share in Gujarat could rise by seven percentage points were the general elections to be held now, even though Chief Minister Narendra Modi’s popularity has plunged five percentage points in his home state — 49 per cent to 44 per cent — since his government returned to power last December, and satisfaction with his administration slipped from 72 per cent to 64 per cent since July 2011.

But even as he has emerged in the public domain as the BJP’s prime ministerial candidate for 2014, the CNN-IBN-The Hindu Election Tracker poll shows two other party Chief Ministers find greater favour with the people of their own states. The level of satisfaction with Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chauhan’s government in Madhya Pradesh is 82 per cent and with Chief Minister Raman Singh’s government in Chattisgarh is 75 per cent. The satisfaction level with Mr. Modi’s government stands at 64 per cent. In a table of 18 States, Gujarat is tied at 7th place with Maharashtra, the poll found.

The approval ratings of the governments of Mr. Chauhan (CM since November 2005) and Mr. Singh (CM since 2003) stand at 64 per cent and 68 per cent respectively; for Gujarat, the corresponding figure is just 44 per cent, placing Mr. Modi ninth in a table of 18 Chief Ministers. And while the approval rating of Mr. Chauhan and Mr. Singh have gone up since July 2011 (when the CSDS had done another survey) by 14 and four percentage points respectively, Mr Modi’s has plummeted in the seven months since he returned to power for a third time in end-2012.


CSDS poll is nothing but participatory psephology. But we all should be worried the way Varadrajan was singing in the praise of SSC. D4 and C-system have identified their next Niku.

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Postby RamaY » 26 Jul 2013 01:25

Congress's best case scenario

- Modi gets jailed on one or other pretext
- BJP wins next elections
- a compromised candidate becomes PM
- BjP keeps the omertà code in place. Die-nasty untouched.
- no action on BJP core ideas

People get disillusioned with BJP.

Congress gets to rule India for another generation (20yrs).

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Postby Viv S » 26 Jul 2013 01:46

Sushupti wrote:D4 and C-system have identified their next Niku.


Really?! Shivraj Singh Chauhan, a turncoat?

Yes he's a potential PM - a moderate performance by the NDA in 2014 would make him an ideal compromise candidate acceptable to the BJP, RSS, NDA and non-NDA potential allies. But given his record, its a pity that the prospect of India's most popular CM (he is that, whether you rubbish the poll or not) as PM contender worries people.

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Postby Sushupti » 26 Jul 2013 02:07

Viv S wrote:
Sushupti wrote:D4 and C-system have identified their next Niku.


Really?! Shivraj Singh Chauhan, a turncoat?

Yes he's a potential PM - a moderate performance by the NDA in 2014 would make him an ideal compromise candidate acceptable to the BJP, RSS, NDA and non-NDA potential allies. But given his record, its a pity that the prospect of India's most popular CM (he is that, whether you rubbish the poll or not) as PM contender worries people.


No dear, I ain’t ready with my judgement on SSC but he has become a ray of hope for C system against Modi. What he did in Ujjain was pretty deliberate and i can't figure out why he did that. I don't play eNAREGA tricks here of pitching SSC against Modi. Personally, I don't care about anyone's popularity, my criterion is whether you are on the side of C-system or against it.

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Postby devesh » 26 Jul 2013 02:39

OK, Sushupti ji, stop turning everyone in BJP into anti-Modi/pro-C-system, please. all I've seen of Shivraj Singh Chauhan is that he is a diligent politician who has good instincts and ethics. let's wait before we turn everyone into a devil and paint ourselves into a corner with demons everywhere!! just a request from someone who has followed your posts with keenness. consider it, please.

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Postby ramana » 26 Jul 2013 02:58

The big fear seems to be that the elevation of Narendra Modi will throw out/undo the double colonization and is defacto reconquista.

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Postby Atish » 26 Jul 2013 03:00

disha wrote:
Atish wrote:I said this 10 years ago and got abused in the choicest terms on BRF for this. I did more pathbreaking analysis every week at my job than Amartya Sen has done in his whole career (and I am not a particularly good analyst). If the fact that supply does not create its demand, the fact that Indians tend to be argumentative, and the fact that there is a distinction between law and justice (and justice is a good thing) are massive insights to you, then yes Amartya Sen is an intellectual giant. I knew these things with conviction at age 20 and suspected all this strongly by age 12. Could have written books ion these 3 topics by age 25 if I didnt think they are achingly obvious. What this a****** (and Amartya Sen's conduct in his financial matters and policy prescriptions make him deserve this epithet), has done is write books like this for the West where for the average college graduate emerging market economics and Indian civilization are a mystery and impressed the pants of them by stating well known facts with a Harvard and Cambridge stamps.

And since he is a Bong, Bengali chauvinism has adopted him as its latest poster boy, since Bengal has been singularly devoid of academic and scientific achievements lately, in stark contrast to its glory till the first half of 20th century.


Atish et al,

To Amartya Sen's credit (and from what I read and understood of his papers)., he somehow empirically proved that democracy does not cause famines but colonialism (or neo-colonialism) does. And he used Bengal famine as a case in point. This was path breaking since this has implications in Africa and South America, with tin-pot dictators stooges of neo-colonialism or cases like Rwanda.

And the above has implications for the way IMF and WB conducts their policy and their handlers in Europe and US.

So my CT is that he was "co-opted" by giving the Noble price in economics. In short, he was kicked upstairs and put into a glass house thus making him irrelevant.

So Amartya's Bharat-Ratna is justified. However Amartya wants to stay relevant (and not doll'ed up in a glass house) and is engaging in what we call as street-fights. That is like a highly decorated field marshal kicks up a storm by dabbling in a home assoc. fight.

His economics is socialist and he is entitled to his opinions and papers. Except he cannot push it down his opinions on a country and should learn to be an advisor when asked but not push down "gospels".


The Bengal Famine was man made was well known and well documented when it happened and right after it happened. Its simply another way of saying "Supply does not create its own demand". That distribution of goods and services is a problem (apart from how to create them) is an axiomatic principle of economics. Westerners still think (and 50 years much much more so) completely CLUELESS about poor societies. Just like most of us are CLUELESS about tribal societies of Africa or South America. Any chap who has grown up there would be an expert to me and any information he brings would seem masterful. Think about stupid questions you have heard in the West from otherwise intelligent people about India. And as for his non Economics work - Unbelievable tomes of HUMBUG. He talks about NYAYA(Justice) and NITI(Law) and the distinction as some kind of archaeological or ancient Greek scholar. The only reason Amartya Sen is a wise man is because his chosen audiences are very very very stupid.

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Postby Sushupti » 26 Jul 2013 05:30

devesh wrote:OK, Sushupti ji, stop turning everyone in BJP into anti-Modi/pro-C-system, please. all I've seen of Shivraj Singh Chauhan is that he is a diligent politician who has good instincts and ethics. let's wait before we turn everyone into a devil and paint ourselves into a corner with demons everywhere!! just a request from someone who has followed your posts with keenness. consider it, please.


I haven’t seen ever in my life S Varadrajan of Hindu ever saying anything good about any BJP/RSS person. When i saw him on CNN/IBN praising SSC it means something. My comment was about C-system plans, intentions and in their view next for D4 membership, not about SSC loyalty. That's why I said i am holding my judgement on SSC. Saving grace is that he still has lots of respect and devotion for RSS which is standing like a rock with Modi. But still i can't understand that Annat K is there on posters in a cow belt election and that of Chief of central election committee missing.
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Postby Kakkaji » 26 Jul 2013 05:35

Amartya Sen is to economics what Arundhati Roy is to literature. They both earned money, fame, and awards by peddling, to clueless westerners, their 'insights' about India's poverty and the rottenness of Hindu culture.

Once they won awards in the west, they became icons for the p-sec left liberals of India. Now they both think they are experts on what India's problems are and how to solve them. They are both charlatans IMHO.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 26 Jul 2013 05:42

Heh. The "I told you so" BRF curvaciousness is all here onlee...

Aditi restaurant lights a fire that spreads far and wide...

Gujarat restaurants plan to name dishes after UPA scams

VADODARA: Get ready to bite into a piping hot "2G ka samosa" or a toasted "Coalgate sandwich" because restaurants in Gujarat may soon serve your favourite dishes with a dash of politics.

Members of the Gujarat Rajya Hotel Federation (GRHF) have decided to stand up for Mumbai eatery Aditi Restaurant that was forced to shut down by Congress workers on Monday for criticizing the UPA government in its bills. (The eatery had re-opened on Tuesday.) Members of the federation are planning to name some of their dishes after the scams that have surfaced during the UPA regime.

Hotelier and GRHF member Ashwin Gandhi has discussed the proposal with other federation members. "Naming food and drinks after scams is an apt reply," Gandhi told TOI. "Every citizen has the right to express his views." The GRHF has over 6,000 members across the state.

The controversy in Mumbai had been sparked after Aditi Restaurant started issuing bills which had a message at the bottom of the printed receipt that read, "As per UPA govt eating money (2G, coal, CWG scam) is a necessity and eating food in AC restaurants is a luxury."

Southern Gujarat Hotel Association vice-president Sanat Relia expressed his support for the GRHF proposal. "Bofors, 2G and other scams would appear on our menu once the proposal is approved," he said from Surat. "We made several efforts to convince the Centre to remove the new service tax, but to no avail. Such a protest may help."

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Muppalla » 26 Jul 2013 06:25

Sushupti wrote:
devesh wrote:OK, Sushupti ji, stop turning everyone in BJP into anti-Modi/pro-C-system, please. all I've seen of Shivraj Singh Chauhan is that he is a diligent politician who has good instincts and ethics. let's wait before we turn everyone into a devil and paint ourselves into a corner with demons everywhere!! just a request from someone who has followed your posts with keenness. consider it, please.


I haven’t seen ever in my life S Varadrajan of Hindu ever saying anything good about any BJP/RSS person. When i saw him on CNN/IBN praising SSC it means something. My comment was about C-system plans, intentions and in their view next for D4 membership, not about SSC loyalty. That's why I said i am holding my judgement on SSC. Saving grace is that he still has lots of respect and devotion for RSS which is standing like a rock with Modi. But still i can't understand that Annat K is there on posters in a cow belt election and that of Chief of central election committee missing.


It means nothing and the analogy is complete wrong. The media and anti-nationals are desperate to invent non-existing enemies. Until SSC becomes a sycophant of Modi they will indulge this stuff. I request to not fall into this trap. Probably both Modi and SSC may be having a good laugh over drinks(if they drink).

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby fanne » 26 Jul 2013 07:12

ya you can see how desperate are they, wanting SSC and RS to revolt and stop ascendancy of NM.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Hari Seldon » 26 Jul 2013 07:21

A bollywoodpecker who likely can't win an Assembly seat on his own in his home state meanwhile wants to eat the caek and have it too...

Shatrughan Sinha says wrong to see his utterances as 'anti-Modi'
Shatrughan Sinha


The BJP leader on Thursday said he did not violate party discipline and stuck to his remarks.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby abhishek_sharma » 26 Jul 2013 09:54

The UnReal Times
A reading comprehension exercise for a 5th grader in a school text book (Don't know which Board). The student's answers and the teacher's markings are Unreal though *wink*

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Viv S » 26 Jul 2013 10:28

Sushupti wrote:I haven’t seen ever in my life S Varadrajan of Hindu ever saying anything good about any BJP/RSS person. When i saw him on CNN/IBN praising SSC it means something.


It means he has an unmatched breadth of appeal. He has arguably the fewest enemies among his peer group. Shivraj Singh Chauhan has been a member of the RSS for over 40 years, yet Muslim support for him in MP is probably over 50% today(35% vote in 2008 if memory serves). This when most BJP leaders are aiming merely to avoid minority votes consolidating against them, or banking upon a counter-polarisation. Its a mix of good politics and effective governance that has swung that for him; no one can accuse him of being pseudo-secular.

My comment was about C-system plans, intentions and in their view next for D4 membership, not about SSC loyalty. That's why I said i am holding my judgement on SSC.


Making allusions is not 'holding judgement'.

Saving grace is that he still has lots of respect and devotion for RSS which is standing like a rock with Modi.


The corollary to that is that the RSS will have no objection to his candidacy either, should such a situation arise.

But still i can't understand that Annat K is there on posters in a cow belt election and that of Chief of central election committee missing.


Like I said, his standing is a result of both performance as well as good politics. Why should he not aim to consolidate his minority votes, moral implications be damned (assuming that was the idea). Unlike Nitish Kumar he's not threatening to quit, and no one's going to be lining up to complain when he delivers as many seats in the LS to the BJP as Modi, if not more. He's politely supported Modi in all his public statements but he can't be faulted for running affairs in his domain as per his best judgement.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SwamyG » 26 Jul 2013 10:37

If Chauhan is that good, it is to be welcomed. The more good leaders BJP can project the better for the party and the country. So hopefully, more people get inspired by these leaders and focus on improving the lives of people. Having 5 or 6 CMs like this in the country is good thing in the short run, in the long run - the more the merrier.

The last decade has been the Dark Ages for 21st Century India, good leaders will change the future......welcome more onlee.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Hari Seldon » 26 Jul 2013 10:39

BJP may announce "conditional PM candidate", sources say...

The condition will be that if BJP secures 185+ seats then NM becomes PM candidate from the BJP side. If BJP tally is <185 then PM candidacy will be re-opened. If tally falls below 170, NM is again Leader of opposition.

That way, NM fans around the country can be motivated to put in their best whereas the anti-NM camp inside the BJP can be trusted not to sabotage chances too much. Or so I hope.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Hari Seldon » 26 Jul 2013 11:37

This Chouhan is doing things right. Though his sudden upsurge in profile among the media types that have saffron-allergy is weird, admittedly...

Chouhan's Madhya Pradesh steals Congress’s direct benefit transfer thunder (TOI)

NEW DELHI: As the Centre stitches together its plan to roll out the direct benefit transfer (DBT) scheme, BJP-ruled Madhya Pradesh seems all set to achieve full coverage of some benefits through the scheme.

The DBT scheme has been touted as a game-changer for the ruling Congress party in the lead-up to the general elections in 2014. Ironically, a BJP-ruled state seems to have taken the lead to roll out the benefit plan.

"We have achieved 100% rollout on DBT on MGNREGS (Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Guarantee Scheme) and Rs 350 crore has already been paid," Aruna Sharma, additional chief secretary (panchayat and rural development department) and development commissioner told TOI.

The state has achieved the milestone through its electronic financial management system. Through its Samagra Samajik Suraksha Mission, the Shivraj Singh Chauhan government has been able to map families in all its 53,000 villages and has identified 7.5 crore beneficiaries.

The programme of transferring pension through this system is already in place in 15 districts and more areas would be added soon. Sharma said more benefits such as health, housing, scholarships would be moved to beneficiaries through the DBT scheme soon. The system would also be linked to Aadhaar, she added.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby apoorv » 26 Jul 2013 12:21

Some panelists said that Samajwadi Party and INC may form a covert or overt alliance in UP to contain BJP's reemergence. I have also seen people claiming that INC and BSP will team up. In both the cases BJP may not increase its seats much if there is no wave in its favour.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Manish_Sharma » 26 Jul 2013 13:04

^For both the combos
a.) cong + sp
b.) congh + bsp

it'll be sp or bsp who stand to lose partnering congress. Congress doesn't have much to lose in UP anyway. But for maya and mulayam, UP is all they have if they don't get enough seats for Loksabha they're in big trouble.


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