SaiK: sounds like rahul mehta is making his own rank - one rank - one post!
. who is stopping you mr mehta to post more?
The anti-RM-elements are the ones who are stopping me. When anti-RM-elements run of questions, and answers, their favorite vibe is "RM is hijacking the thread" etc etc .
hum unke iljamo se parashan ho narak mei chale gaye
hume badnaam karne woh wahan bhi aa gaye
Sometimes their allegations looks like accusing a fish of hijacking whole ocean !! But they are more numerous and so I have to stay low to protect myself. And so in such bhakti-threads like this, one post per day by me is enough.
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Rahul Mehta : From all I see, in may-2014, NaMo will simply open all gates for MNC-owners and Missionaries. The MNC-owners and Missionaries will make sure that their slave-judges dont throw any stay orders. And so there will be rapid industrialization as well as large scale spread of services like health, education etc all within just a few years. That will raise prosperity etc. The aftermath will be SoKo-2 or worse Philippines-2 . Lets see what comes in may-2014.
nageshks : RM-ji, Let me posit a counter theory before you.
1. We survived 200 years of British and 60 years of Congress without a great deal of conversions. I hope that you will agree that the missionaries have had no limits on their power thus far. NaMo is unlikely to be any worse than the Congress. If just a few years more years of missionaries are sufficient to destroy Hindu civilisation, then it is doomed anyway. No civilisation that cannot stand on its own legs against the world will survive.
2. Hindu civilisation has been standing firm for thousands of years, against hundreds of invaders of all stamps. And you have the effrontery to pretend that 10 years of NaMo will simply destroy this vast civilisation, as if it is a house of cards. How do you propose NaMo and missionaries will convert Hindus to Christians? Will they bring back the inquisition? Well - let me remind you, we survived even that without any great effect. Will they re-institute the policies of Aurangzeb? I have news for you - the Congress has already done that and we have survived without any great damage. Will they emulate Timur-i-Lang and demand that Hindus convert or die? Do they have enough bullets to kill a billion of us?
3. RM-ji, you insult the intelligence and the integrity of the average Hindu with your claims. They will no more succumb to the wiles or bribes of any missionaries or MNCs of today, than they did to that of their predecessors who ruled us until 70 years ago. They will not change their religion for NaMo or for anyone else.
If you have no faith in the Hindus, and if you believe that all that is needed for them to give up their way of life is for the MNCs and their missionaries to appear, then perhaps you should specify your reasons why you harbour such a poor opinion of the Hindus.
Word "survival" needs aexamination. Once Hindu civilization was from border of Iran to Phillipines. And now 50% has been lost. And between 1700-1947, we lost Pakistan and Bangladesh as well i.e. Hindus were forced to flee from those areas. And before our own eyes in past 60 years, we lost half the Kashmir and half the Asam, in terms of demographic changes.
We survived British attempt to Christianize India because of frictions between jews-protestents-catholic and frictions between UK-France-Germany-USA-Italy. Because of these frictions, after 1860, all MNC-owners in Europe decided not to help Missionaries. So Missionaries became handicapped. The frictions ended in 1950, and so after 1950 , MNC-owners agreed to help Missionaries en-masse. And SoKo has been their first major achievement. IOW, Missionaries didnt get help from MNC-owners between 1860-1950 , and now they are getting it. So its a whole new ball game now. Just because we survived them till 1950 and till 2010 doesnt mean we an survive them now. (MNC-owners + Missionaries) are some 10 times stronger now and they are united now.
Anyway, you seem to agreeing that "NaMo would indeed open all gates for MNC-owners and Missionaries to enter into India". So we disagree only on after effects. You seem to say that Indics can thwart them under existing laws. Well, we cant. The existing legal setup over Devalayas makes Devalaya weak compared to Churches aided by MNC-owners . And I havent seen any draft from NaMo to reduce advantage Churches have or to strengthen Devalaya. So with jun-2014, as MNC-owners and Missionaries entries increase in India, Devayala's receding back will increase.
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SwamyG:... yes temple to me is less important than access to toilets for people. Hindus are strong enough to take care of their temples and can build temples better and holier than any one else.
Well, I told you 50 times, and will need to write 51st times. We Tridevalayavaadies are in now way reducing rate at which sanitation improves in India, as NaMo or you allege. There is NO trade-off between D and S. And Hindus cant build Tridevalaya in jun-2014 unless PM = NaMo hands over the three plots to Hindus in jun-2014. And other than handing over of plot, Hindus never asked for any money etc to build Tridevalaya. So your statement that "Hindus are strong enough to take care ..." is non-applicable. If NaMo = PM refuses to give three plots in jun-2014, Hindus cant build Tridevalaya there.
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Rahul Mehta: From all I see, in may-2014, NaMo will simply open all gates for MNC-owners and Missionaries. The MNC-owners and Missionaries will make sure that their slave-judges dont throw any stay orders. And so there will be rapid industrialization as well as large scale spread of services like health, education etc all within just a few years. That will raise prosperity etc. The aftermath will be SoKo-2 or worse Philippines-2 . Lets see what comes in may-2014.
Arjun: 1) Suggest you look for commitments from the BJP as a party rather than from Modi only. In any case, the Manifesto as you might be knowing is the place to look for commitments from a party prior to election - and it is in the process of being prepared. One commitment that is already public that you can google - is that BJP would expand the scope of the Anti-Conversion Law to make it all-India. This is in connection with your point about missionaries.
2) As regards MNC-owners. I have respect for your abilities in logic - but your knowledge of economics does not seem high. Opening up of trade (in other words globalization) is very important for India to both (i) maximize growth rate and (ii) start taking a leadership role in global comity of nations. Globalization involves both MNC-owners coming into India and Indian MNCs spreading wings globally. It is Congress that has always emphasized the first part over the last decade whenever it talked of globalization, and it is Modi who has been the first leader to stress equally on the second part (which is my area of interest as well). Ultimately - things need to be monitored to ensure that the second part takes precedence over the first - which is an executive balancing act that we are yet to see. But Modi is the ONLY leader so far who has even talked about the need for Indian products and services to dominate globally.
1A. Pls see the the DRAFT of anti-conversion law in Gujarat All it says that if and when one converts, he has to register before District Collector. There is nothing against conversion. Now, I am not demanding any law against conversion either, but citing hope that 2-bit anti-conversion law can thwart missionaries is false hopes, and that false hope is what BJP has been giving to VHP all these years. The Missionaries have a key advantage that they have huge plots on which they pay no taxes. The plot ownership needs to be put on net. Which is why I have proposed a law-draft that would make ALL land-ownership in India public on net. Next is to tax wealths and incomes of ALL religious trusts minus Rs 100 (or Rs X) per year per follower they have . In addition, we need law-drafts to remove structural weaknesses in the way Devalaya are managed. I have given law-drafts I propose for all these in my book. NaMo cant deliver any of these is as now is hopelessly dependent on MNC-owned mediamen as well as MNC-owners for investments. And his dependence on MNC-owners will worsen after may-2014 when he becomes PM.
1B . Well, I was hoping to see some DRAFTS of laws NaMo would print in jun-2014 in his speech or some appendix on his websites. But I never see any drafts. All I see is pictures and videos and some speech-text, but no drafts. The BJP manifesto also never had any drafts. Amd it is unlikely that they will ever have any draft. The task of "re-making draft" is most likely to remove RJB , KJB and KV and add points that MNC-owners want, and make it appear as if crowd added them. Crowd-sourcing in absence of a verifiable SMS log is just as illusion.
2. MNC-owners get several tax benefits. eg if and when MNC-owners invest via Mauritius, they pay zero taxes. So this puts Indian companies at huge competitive disadvantage and so they are suffering losses and are being take over one after another. The argument given for tax benefits was that "we need dollars". We, we never needed any dollars. All we needed to do was to reduce petrol consumption (most of is spurious) and reduce petrol imports. And we needed to improve local engineering skills in automobiles\electronics\pharma by improving courts, so that we dont need to import vehicles\medicines\electronics. The dollars came and disappeared in importing petrol, vehicles and electronics. Now it
looks unlikely that NaMo will stop preferential treatment to MNC-owners or Mauritius route or and looks highly unlikely that NaMo will improve courts. So India will keep importing electronics\vehicles\medicine or foreign companies will make in India, in both cases, we Indics will keep losing.
Madhu Kishwar ?? : Modi’s biggest contribution is the marginalisation of VHP and the RSS and their divisive agendas. He consistently addresses six crore Gujaratis, this includes all minorities. In fact, in this election VHP lumpen and RSS have provided foot soldiers for Congress candidates. The open alliance of VHP, RSS with the Congress party against Modi itself testifies that Modi has risen above divisive agendas and come to occupy centre stage. It is for “secularists” to say what implications it has for the Congress party.
Karan M : Basically she has created her own vision of Modi, same as many others.
Exactly. NaMo never gives any law-drafts of what changes he will bring and keeps his talks vague. And his sponsors pay mediamen to project him as strong, tall etc. And so every hapless guy/gal who is looking for a kalki starts thinking that NaMo is agreeing with his agenda and NaMo in jun-2014 will print law-drafts that he wants. eg I see many who think that NaMo will ban reservation in jun-2014, because they heard NaMo somewhere praising merit !! And I see many saying that NaMo will repeal all anti-family laws in jun-2014, and I also also hear many say that NaMo will print UCC in jun-2014. And till sep-2013, I used to see people claiming that NaMo will build all three Devalaya before jul-2014 !! Essentially, each one has "MyNaMo" in his mind, and no one has clue of "real NaMo" is .
I would request all NaMo-bhagats to write down the law-drafts that they think NaMo will print in jun-2014. And then compare with fellow NaMo-bhagats. I think that they will discover huge gaps and even outright contradiction between each others' "MyNaMo". The gap exists because the bhagat-groups never dare to ask and never get a chance to ask NaMo in open what laws he will print.
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How Sardar's Patel's statute of unity and NaMo plea to donate iron will drain forex
NaMo has asked people to donate iron to make Sardar Patel unity statue. Iron costs Rs 30 per kg or so. The whole drive of setting up 200+ collection centers across Gujarat, putting staff there, giving receipts to the iron donors, and then transporting the iron to site will make iron cost ten times more. So why collect iron like this? Well,
the goal to collect iron is create emotional bonding between donor and statute that will come up and so increase number of visitors. Each person who has donated iron is now more likely to visit the statue. All this would have been good, but each time someone visits the Sardar Patel statue, the profit of the foreign company which is making the statue and run tourism there will increase. And so forex commitment on India will increase !! It will be quite sad day for us Swadeshi, that when the statue comes up, we will have to urge people NOT to visit that statue as it increases the forex burden on India !!!
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Against rallies and why ordering MPs via SMS is better option
Now moment I write against rallying, banner holding, slogan shouting etc, the resident anti-RM-elements will accuse that "see, I never objected against rallies till date, and now when NaMo is making successful rallies, I anti-rally". Well , I have been anti-rally since long, and proof -
http://rahulmehta.com/301.htm . This book has been frozen since dec-2012, and you can search on or "rally" and every sentence will prove that I have been anti-rally since long. To give one example,
. The pseudo-recallists also oppose the proposal that activists should send orders to PM via SMS and instead put them on time-wasting activities like slogan shouting, candle burning, rallying etc and thus drain away their energies. The pseudo-recallists like The Anna and Arvind Gandhi aim to take less-informed Recallists to dead end and kill RTR movement. (see section-13.18 for details). Pseudo-recallists are biggest obstacles for us true-Recallists.
..... It is necessary that activists directly send orders to PM\CM via SMS etc and not waste their time and energy in slogan shouting, rallying, daily prayers, singing patriotic songs again and again, candle burning, election campaigning to elect demi-Gods etc. The activist leaders such as Sonia Gandhi, Advani, Yechuri, Mayawati, Anna and Arvind Gandhi oppose the proposal activists should directly send orders to PM\CM via SMS. They insist on time and energy wasting activities only.
So I have been anti-rally since long. Not because of bomb blasts -- for that I only blame the enemy. But because they are waste of activists' energy.
Rallies are colossal waste of activists energy. May be 200 years ago, they were needed as they were ONLY means to prove numerical strength and see\hear a person. But today, with SMS and DVDs, they are not needed at all. To listen to the leader, dispatching DVDs of lectures pre-recorded in studio to crores of voters will be cheaper than asking lakhs of voters to come at at one place. And then those who wish NaMo (or Mr X) to be PM, can order his MP via SMS and send copy to BJP server which can show on net. That will prov numerical strength in more objective way. Take anyleader -- be Anna or ArKe or NaMo or RaGa or NiKu . Even if rally-attendee is not paid to attend rally, then also costs of transport, logistics etc will be at least Rs 100 to Rs 300 per person or may be more. The police expenses are additional. Plus if speech several hours before and after speech is lost. Even one hour is worth Rs 20 per day, then also Instead, if DVD is sold or given free to each person, it would cost only Rs 10 plus Rs 10 for shipping. And one DVD can be watched by many.
And rally is a good proof of numbers, but ordering MPs via SMS is far far better proof of numbers. And SMS costs only 10 paise !! If 10 lakh can attend rally, then perhaps 10 crore can send order to MP via SMS to make NaMo (or XYZ) PM today.
Do the math of transport costs, money value of time spend by rally attendees , police costs, lost rent of ground and subtract costs of DVD + SMS.
The money saved could have been spent to improve sanitation (ouch, now that would really hurt all NaMo-bhagats real bad, no?) . But Bhakti has always been more important than S. Its just that a new God has come, and so his Bhakti is more important than Bhakti\Devalaya of Ram, Krishna and Shiv.
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IMPORTANT : added later
nageshks wrote:What interests me is the opinion of all these Muslim clerics wrt NaMo. Two years ago, all of them were collectively baying for his blood. Not a single Muslim leader could be found to defend NaMo. Now, some of them are quietly slipping to his side. The question is why. If anyone believes that these clerics appreciate NaMo's administrative skills, I have a bridge to sell him. We can rule that out. So why now? is it because they can read the writing on the wall, and would rather not be on the wrong side of the power equations? ....
The reasons is NaMo's dumping Tridevalaya issue. It is quid-pro-quo. And is it is NOT muslim vote bank. This whole muslim vote bank is 82 > 15 maths, that only someone with 4 digit IQ can understand. The reason is
saud funded media and saud funding. I have explained it here at "303:055: Leaders are NOT after muslim votes, but are after Saudi money, Saud funded tv-channels; Solution? RTR-Doordarshan-CEO" at
https://facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151576497521922
The Saudi-funded channel give positive or less-negative or quasi-negative-but-effectively-positive coverage etc when you do a favor to saudi agenda. That was the reason why LKA worshipped Jinha - not muslim votes but Saudi money.
The positive approval form some Mullah's for NaMo or less negative opposition means that news-media associated with will now give support to NaMo.
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The next agenda item on Saud as well as Missionary is
1. giving reservation benefits to SC who convert to Islam and Christianity
2. not canceling reservation of ST who convert to Islam
3. not canceling reservation of certain Muslim OBCs
4. giving reservation for muslims
And lets see what stand NaMo takes on these issues. He wont fall for (4). But he may agree to conitinue (2) and (3). And lets see how (1) goes.
Let me explain. As of today, if a Hindu SC\OBC converts to Islam/Christianity, then he loses reservation benefits. But if an ST converts to Islam/Christianity, he continues to get reservation benefits !! And certain OCBs get reservation benefits. The RSS-apex and BJP-apex have kep defeaning silence on this. But bigots like me are asking all activists of India including RSS\VHP\BDal\BJP-activists to pull collars of their leaders in public and demand cancellation of reservation to all non-Hindu SC\CT\OBC. (Hindu = Hindu + Sikh + Jain + Buddhists). We abuse RSS etc activists big time when they dont make this demand before their leaders in public. Dhimmi is one of the most polite words we use for them. And btw, demand is NOT new. It has been in my manifesto since 2003 , ever since I came to know about it !!
Sharad Yadav had moved a law-draft in Rajya Sabha to extend reservation benefits to SC\OBC who convert. BJP had opposed it then and so bill lied low. Now lets see what NaMo does.
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