Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby Hari Seldon » 02 Nov 2013 10:54

Sarsanghachaalak MB on a roll here... reveals quite a bit on both the economy and phoren policy....

Bhagwat indicating a tempering of the Sangh's position on foreign investment by multi-nationals when he was asked about a potential clash between the Sangh's traditional position opposing foreign investment and the liberal economic policy framework being promised by the BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi. The Sarsanghchalak responsed saying, 'We have a vision but there is a reality about the way global trade and commerce is being organised at this time. Our view also evolves over time. But there is a need for balance. While FDI in some sectors is okay, why kill small traders. What can be done by small industry, why do we need big industrialists for that.'

While indicating a willingness to accept FDI in certain sectors, Bhagwat made it clear that foreign investment in education was a strict no go for the RSS. 'Education should not be commercialised. When foreign universities come in they start thinking of earning dollars. We cannot have content without culture. We must promote our own teaching practises without blindly chasing the West.'

Bhagwat also advocated an extremely hardline view on India's relations with Pakistan, one that could send alarm bells ringing in the foreign establishment corridors both in New Delhi and Islamabad. 'Government of India's policy on Pakistan is extremely meek. India should not have let Pak become a nuclear powered country in the first place. China controls what happens in its neighbourhood. Does it not? Why can't India do the same in its own neighbourhood?'

Bhagwat also stressed that Pakistan having nuclear weapons was no reason for India to continue to suffer attack after attack emanating from Pakistani soil. 'So what if they have nuclear weapons. Can they take on the joint opinion of the whole world. India should have deterrent power and a strategy to forcefully implement that power. Since the time Pakistan has been created they have been infiltrating terror and creating trouble for us. We should have had a strategy to ensure that they would not be abe to trouble us. They attack our camps and our government wants to meet their leaders. How can Pakistan even muster the courage to attack us. This government has failed miserably.'


Uh-oh moments indeed for more angrezi channel studio bugs...

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Postby SwamyG » 02 Nov 2013 10:59

People pray when all hope is lost. People also pray when there is a ray of hope, and they do not want the hope to disappear. Indians now are in the second case.

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Postby kapilrdave » 02 Nov 2013 11:04

Atri wrote:
prahaar wrote:Any thoughts ideas about a very essential question about gaining Sabka Saath?


क्षमा-दया-ताप त्याग मनोबल सबका लिया सहारा,
पर नरव्याध सुयोधन तुमसे कहो कहाँ कब हारा?

क्षमाशील हो रिपुसमक्ष तुम विनीत हुए जितना ही,
दुष्ट कौरवों ने तुमको कायर समझा उतना ही,

अत्याचार सहन करने का कुफल यही होता हैं
पौरुष का आतंक मनुज कोमल होकर खोता हैं

क्षमा शोभती उस भुजंग को जिसके पास गरल हैं
उसका क्या जो दंतहीन विषरहित विनीत सरल हैं?

तीन दिवस तक पंथ मांगते रघुपति सिन्धु किनारे,
बैठे पढ़ते रहे छंद अनुनय के प्यारे प्यारे.

उत्तर में जब एक नाद भी नहीं उठा सागर से,
उठी अधीर धधक पौरुष की आग राम के शर से,

सिन्धु देह धर त्राहि-त्राहि कर आ गिरा शरण में,
चरण पुजे दासता ग्रहण की बंधा मूढ़ बंधन में,


सच पूछो तो शर में ही बसती हैं दीप्ति विनय की,
संधिवचन संपूज्य उसीका, जिसमे शक्ति विजय की


सहनशीलता क्षमा दया को तभी पूजता जग हैं
बल का दर्प चमकता उसके पीछे जब जगमग हैं...

OR in words of Goswami Tulsidas - Bhay bin hoy na preeti..


+Infinite.

Prahar Ji,

I will give an example of NM to explain what Atri ji tried to describe poetically.

Every year, on Ashadhi Bij (the second day of month of Ashadh) a Rath Yatra of Bhagvan Jagannathji is carried out in Ahmedabad similar to that in Jagannath Puri (on same day). This yatra goes through entire old city which includes some core muslim areas. These area were considered mini pakistan before 2002. Whenever the yatra go through these streets there would invariably be problems. Stoning, throwing acid bulbs, spars were routine. After the godhra riots in A'bad many top leaders and police officers advised to not to do Raht Yatra in 2003. Modi did not budge. In fact he asserted on the importance of the yatra for that year and instructed officers to ensure a peaceful yatra. A day before the yatra when the route was to be inspected for security by police, modi joined them in their jeep. Then when they reached those 'sensitive' area he asked officers to stop the jeep and told them to stya in jeep. Modi got out of jeep alone and walked through the entire streets in full public view. This was no small deal at that time given the tension among the people and the fact that it was solely modi who was blamed for the riots. Then the next day the yatra concluded in unprecedented peace.

This was the same modi who as a CM worked most indiscrimatedly that the fruits of development were there to be reaped for muslims also. Now the situation is that every year when this yatra is held it receives welcome from the muslims of very same streets with huge hoardings saying "Muslim samaj Jagannath ji ka swagat karta hai (muslim community welcome Jagannath ji)" in Gujarati or Hindi. Sometimes they serve coldrink to the yatris as well. Similarly Hindus welcome muslim Tajia in their streets.

This is where I differ from MK's Modinama. She interviewed only muslims to investigate why riots stopped in GJ. They would obviousely blame it on VHP. However the reason was different. For the first time they saw Hindu retaliation. And on top of that a true Mard as a ruler. Add to that the fact that Hindus unanimously boycotted muslim shops. Most of muslims in GJ rely on Hindus for their business. They were hit where it hurts. They had to stop rioting.

Given the type of Mard modi is, if dynasty thinks he can be cowed down by threats to his life then they are making the horriblest mistake of their life. He would go down fighting rather than towing the line. If anything, these threats will make him more determined to realize his words in Udaipur... 'janta chun chun ke hisab legi'.

FYI: As a tradition of Jagannath yatra, CM sweeps the path of Bhagvan Jagannath's Rath ahead of it. Modi does that too.

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Postby Karan M » 02 Nov 2013 11:26

Hari Seldon wrote:Sarsanghachaalak MB on a roll here... reveals quite a bit on both the economy and phoren policy....

Bhagwat indicating a tempering of the Sangh's position on foreign investment by multi-nationals when he was asked about a potential clash between the Sangh's traditional position opposing foreign investment and the liberal economic policy framework being promised by the BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi. The Sarsanghchalak responsed saying, 'We have a vision but there is a reality about the way global trade and commerce is being organised at this time. Our view also evolves over time. But there is a need for balance. While FDI in some sectors is okay, why kill small traders. What can be done by small industry, why do we need big industrialists for that.'

While indicating a willingness to accept FDI in certain sectors, Bhagwat made it clear that foreign investment in education was a strict no go for the RSS. 'Education should not be commercialised. When foreign universities come in they start thinking of earning dollars. We cannot have content without culture. We must promote our own teaching practises without blindly chasing the West.'

Bhagwat also advocated an extremely hardline view on India's relations with Pakistan, one that could send alarm bells ringing in the foreign establishment corridors both in New Delhi and Islamabad. 'Government of India's policy on Pakistan is extremely meek. India should not have let Pak become a nuclear powered country in the first place. China controls what happens in its neighbourhood. Does it not? Why can't India do the same in its own neighbourhood?'

Bhagwat also stressed that Pakistan having nuclear weapons was no reason for India to continue to suffer attack after attack emanating from Pakistani soil. 'So what if they have nuclear weapons. Can they take on the joint opinion of the whole world. India should have deterrent power and a strategy to forcefully implement that power. Since the time Pakistan has been created they have been infiltrating terror and creating trouble for us. We should have had a strategy to ensure that they would not be abe to trouble us. They attack our camps and our government wants to meet their leaders. How can Pakistan even muster the courage to attack us. This government has failed miserably.'


Uh-oh moments indeed for more angrezi channel studio bugs...

link


wow. and our super comprehension man was telling us all that rss is full of fuddy duddy people who are too dumb to understand complexities of national strategy, economics, defense etc.

btw shows how screwed up things are that talking facts (pak shouldnt have gone nuclear, india needs to respond even so)... equal to alarm bells ringing in establishment ..

kudos mr bhagwat for calling a spade a spade, kudos.

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Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2013 11:29

jaswant singh has released a new book on the mistakes in indian foreign policy
http://www.flipkart.com/india-risk-mist ... cd2e880f58

India at Risk : Mistakes Misadventures and Misconceptions of Security Policy

Experience over sixty-six years of independence reveals that India has failed when confronted with challenges to national security, external or internal. The challenges have been comprehensive but the response consistently amateurish.

Why, asks Jaswant Singh. Is it on account of conceptual fault lines or fractures in governance? Both, says Jaswant Singh, ably laying bare the challenges, responses and the consequences of failing to reach the goal of credible defence and security in independent India.

Having directly handled the responsibility of managing a whole series of security-related challenges, Jaswant Singh provides a uniquely informed and illuminating analysis of the major challenges that India has faced over the last sixty-six years: the conflicts, the issues and the consequences that remain with us today. How does it look in the first quarter of the 21st century?

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Postby Pranav » 02 Nov 2013 11:53

People of Bihar reacting to Modi's visit -


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Postby Hari Seldon » 02 Nov 2013 12:02

^^ Nice... Bihar looks solid. <30 seats there will be disappointing, mussay...

Meanwhile niticentral has a running timeline on NM's Bihar visit here:

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/11/02/m ... 53843.html

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Postby prahaar » 02 Nov 2013 12:50

Atri wrote:
prahaar wrote:Any thoughts ideas about a very essential question about gaining Sabka Saath?


क्षमा-दया-ताप त्याग मनोबल सबका लिया सहारा,
पर नरव्याध सुयोधन तुमसे कहो कहाँ कब हारा?

क्षमाशील हो रिपुसमक्ष तुम विनीत हुए जितना ही,
दुष्ट कौरवों ने तुमको कायर समझा उतना ही,

अत्याचार सहन करने का कुफल यही होता हैं
पौरुष का आतंक मनुज कोमल होकर खोता हैं

क्षमा शोभती उस भुजंग को जिसके पास गरल हैं
उसका क्या जो दंतहीन विषरहित विनीत सरल हैं?

तीन दिवस तक पंथ मांगते रघुपति सिन्धु किनारे,
बैठे पढ़ते रहे छंद अनुनय के प्यारे प्यारे.

उत्तर में जब एक नाद भी नहीं उठा सागर से,
उठी अधीर धधक पौरुष की आग राम के शर से,

सिन्धु देह धर त्राहि-त्राहि कर आ गिरा शरण में,
चरण पुजे दासता ग्रहण की बंधा मूढ़ बंधन में,


सच पूछो तो शर में ही बसती हैं दीप्ति विनय की,
संधिवचन संपूज्य उसीका, जिसमे शक्ति विजय की


सहनशीलता क्षमा दया को तभी पूजता जग हैं
बल का दर्प चमकता उसके पीछे जब जगमग हैं...

OR in words of Goswami Tulsidas - Bhay bin hoy na preeti..


Thanks for the beautiful explanation. What is the source of the above?

kapilrdave wrote:Given the type of Mard modi is, if dynasty thinks he can be cowed down by threats to his life then they are making the horriblest mistake of their life. He would go down fighting rather than towing the line. If anything, these threats will make him more determined to realize his words in Udaipur... 'janta chun chun ke hisab legi'.

FYI: As a tradition of Jagannath yatra, CM sweeps the path of Bhagvan Jagannath's Rath ahead of it. Modi does that too.


A lot of NaMo's unreported work is stupendous, no wonder opposition needs to use different campaigns to besmirch his image. Now that he is in more spotlight, he needs to be more careful about his physical safety, which will obviously effect his freedom to operate. But his Bihar tour is an example of his fearless attitude (in terms of physical safety and in terms of making his political rivals feel uncomfortable).

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Postby kmkraoind » 02 Nov 2013 12:57

Kumar Ketkar meets Modi-Eyes Sudhindra Kulkarni's role in Team Modi

Veteran Marathi journalist and staunch Gandhi family loyalist Kumar Ketkar is in a mood to shift his age old loyalty,sources from Mumbai BJP claims. Ardent supporter of Sonia Gandhi and aggressive RSS and Modi basher Kumar Ketkar,secretly met BJP's PM in waiting Narendra Modi with BJP leader Shyam Jaju at New Delhi and conveyed his best wishes to Narendra Modi for 2014 general elections.This meeting was aimed at pressing for top berth in Modi's non political team at Delhi,if Modi becomes PM after next year general elections.

State BJP leaders Madhav Bhandari,Atul Bhatkhalakar and Vinod Tawade are opposing the move citing Ketkar's strong anti-RSS views and RSS bashing rhetoric. Also all three has apprised Modi of Ketkar's anti-Hindutva credentials. According to BJP sources Narendra Modi has not given any assurance regarding inducting Ketkar in his new team,but Ketkar was at least successfully sent filler in RSS-BJP circle by meeting Modi.

Divya Marathi editor Samar Khadas clarified that Ketkar is not going to be a BJP member,but he wants to contribute in Narendra Modi's nation building project by sharing his own huge experience in journalism and politics.As now Sudhindra Kulkarni has no say in post-Advani BJP,Kumar Ketkar is eyeing the important role in Modi's Media and policy wing.

But Ketkar must have clear many hurdles from Mumbai RSS,who has strong objections for Ketkar. Next Modi-Ketkar meeting is scheduled during Diwali,told Samar Khadas-a Ketkar right hand in Divya Marathi.


As I am saying, its not mere hedging, but out right jumping of rats from INC ship. Its time for NaMo to maintain balance of mood (do not become another semi-sickular or display overt aggression with imaginative strength). Till he gets power, he needs to strike a balance, once in power.....
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Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2013 13:30

he needs to adopt the persona of The Mule in Asimov's trilogy. a figure whom few or none have seen but provoking enough terror to make entire galaxies surrender without a shot being fired. he can inspire deep discomfort with that stare....

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Postby prahaar » 02 Nov 2013 13:34

Sudheendra Kulkarni is like Savarkar compared to Ketkar, that is how far below Ketkar is. I hope BJP not only keeps Ketkar away but makes sure that he gets back in good measure what he has been dishing out for decades. Who in BJP is actually proposing Ketkar's inclusion?

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Postby Supratik » 02 Nov 2013 13:42

There will be opportunists and saboteurs. The last thing we need is Nehruvites in an NDA Govt. like in Vajpayee's. NM should keep them at a distance and go after the more venal ones. KK is one of them.

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Postby chaanakya » 02 Nov 2013 13:44

Atri wrote:

क्षमा-दया-ताप त्याग मनोबल सबका लिया सहारा,
पर नरव्याध सुयोधन तुमसे कहो कहाँ कब हारा?

क्षमाशील हो रिपुसमक्ष तुम विनीत हुए जितना ही,
दुष्ट कौरवों ने तुमको कायर समझा उतना ही,

अत्याचार सहन करने का कुफल यही होता हैं
पौरुष का आतंक मनुज कोमल होकर खोता हैं

क्षमा शोभती उस भुजंग को जिसके पास गरल हैं
उसका क्या जो दंतहीन विषरहित विनीत सरल हैं?

तीन दिवस तक पंथ मांगते रघुपति सिन्धु किनारे,
बैठे पढ़ते रहे छंद अनुनय के प्यारे प्यारे.

उत्तर में जब एक नाद भी नहीं उठा सागर से,
उठी अधीर धधक पौरुष की आग राम के शर से,

सिन्धु देह धर त्राहि-त्राहि कर आ गिरा शरण में,
चरण पुजे दासता ग्रहण की बंधा मूढ़ बंधन में,


सच पूछो तो शर में ही बसती हैं दीप्ति विनय की,
संधिवचन संपूज्य उसीका, जिसमे शक्ति विजय की


सहनशीलता क्षमा दया को तभी पूजता जग हैं
बल का दर्प चमकता उसके पीछे जब जगमग हैं...



Atri Garu,

शत शत नमन .

You quoted from राष्ट्रकवि रामधारी सिंह 'दिनकर' ज्ञानपीठ पुरस्कार विजेता
And हुंकार is title of one of his poem and collections as well .


सिंह की हुंकार है हुंकार निर्भय वीर नर की।
सिंह जब वन में गरजता है,
जन्तुओं के शीश फट जाते,
प्राण लेकर भीत कुंजर भागता है।
योगियों में, पर, अभय आनन्द भर जाता,
सिंह जब उनके हृदय में नाद करता है।

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Postby chaanakya » 02 Nov 2013 13:47

नमो, नमो, नमो।

नमो स्वतंत्र भारत की ध्वजा, नमो, नमो!
नमो नगाधिराज – शृंग की विहारिणी!
नमो अनंत सौख्य – शक्ति – शील – धारिणी!
प्रणय – प्रसारिणी, नमो अरिष्ट – वारिणी!
नमो मनुष्य की शुभेषणा – प्रचारिणी!
नवीन सूर्य की नई प्रभा, नमो, नमो!

हम न किसी का चाहते तनिक अहित, अपकार।
प्रेमी सकल जहान का भारतवर्ष उदार।
सत्य न्याय के हेतु
फहर-फहर ओ केतु
हम विचरेंगे देश-देश के बीच मिलन का सेतु
पवित्र सौम्य, शांति की शिखा, नमो, नमो!

तार-तार में हैं गुँथा ध्वजे, तुम्हारा त्याग!
दहक रही है आज भी, तुम में बलि की आग।
सेवक सैन्य कठोर
हम चालीस करोड़
कौन देख सकता कुभाव से ध्वजे, तुम्हारी ओर
करते तव जय गान
वीर हुए बलिदान,
अंगारों पर चला तुम्हें ले सारा हिंदुस्तान!
प्रताप की विभा, कृषानुजा, नमो, नमो!

- रामधारी सिंह ‘दिनकर’

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Postby VikramS » 02 Nov 2013 13:55

NaMo should use people like Ketkar to convince fence sitters.
But they should not exert any influence beyond Trophy psuedo-liberals.

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Postby Lilo » 02 Nov 2013 14:07

These congi court jesters are giving me a tummy ache

Congress blames Modi for rise in onion prices
TNN | Nov 2, 2013, 03.37AM IST

NEW DELHI: Congress's offensive against Narendra Modi took an interesting turn on Friday with Union law minister Kapil Sibal blaming the high prices of onions on BJP's PM candidate while also asking him to explain where he finds huge finds from for his rallies.

Sibal said the country suffered a shortage of onions as the Modi government had handed over huge tracts of land in Kutch, which accounts for a big part of the onion crop, to the Adani group. "Those onions used to come here," Sibal said, focusing on the alleged responsibility of the Gujarat government even though he also talked about the role of hoarders. :rotfl:

The day also saw finance minister P Chidambaram suggesting that the Gujarat CM needed to improve his understanding of economics. "It is good that he is taking interest in economics. As he takes more interest, he will learn more, Prof. Chidambaram said in response to a question from reporters.

At a function he held to mark the launch of his personal website, Sibal said Modi was distorting facts and was running away from addressing the media, even as he invited him for a debate over UPA's performance in comparison to that of the NDA.

.......

Taking exception to Modi's telling people to rid the country of Congress, Sibal said, "Why to free the country from Congress? What has the Congress done? And today, I challenge Modi for a debate on any issue on any platform and in any language, be it Hindi, English or Gujarati. I challenge him to decide the day, the subject, place and language so that all is clear."

He further said, "He( Modi) will not be able to do so because he has not held any press conference yet then what will he debate with me. Have you heard him in any press conference? He just goes and delivers his speech from the podium. He has no vision. :lol: I challenge him to debate on all those issues."

Accusing Modi of dishing out lies, he said, "If someone wants to be the PM, he must give alternate vision for foreign policy, for education."
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Postby chaanakya » 02 Nov 2013 14:13

Seebail is a third rate politician who has spent his whole life licking gandhy family. What he says even Gandhys don't take seriously so why should we?

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Postby Rahul M » 02 Nov 2013 14:39

kapilrdave wrote:FYI: As a tradition of Jagannath yatra, CM sweeps the path of Bhagvan Jagannath's Rath ahead of it. Modi does that too.
the tradition is that of the king of odisha royal dynasty sweeping in front of the rath. the CM may or may not but that's not the tradition.

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Postby panduranghari » 02 Nov 2013 14:51

kmkraoind wrote:Kumar Ketkar meets Modi-Eyes Sudhindra Kulkarni's role in Team Modi

Veteran Marathi journalist and staunch Gandhi family loyalist Kumar Ketkar is in a mood to shift his age old loyalty,sources from Mumbai BJP claims. Ardent supporter of Sonia Gandhi and aggressive RSS and Modi basher Kumar Ketkar,secretly met BJP's PM in waiting Narendra Modi with BJP leader Shyam Jaju at New Delhi and conveyed his best wishes to Narendra Modi for 2014 general elections.This meeting was aimed at pressing for top berth in Modi's non political team at Delhi,if Modi becomes PM after next year general elections.

State BJP leaders Madhav Bhandari,Atul Bhatkhalakar and Vinod Tawade are opposing the move citing Ketkar's strong anti-RSS views and RSS bashing rhetoric. Also all three has apprised Modi of Ketkar's anti-Hindutva credentials. According to BJP sources Narendra Modi has not given any assurance regarding inducting Ketkar in his new team,but Ketkar was at least successfully sent filler in RSS-BJP circle by meeting Modi.

Divya Marathi editor Samar Khadas clarified that Ketkar is not going to be a BJP member,but he wants to contribute in Narendra Modi's nation building project by sharing his own huge experience in journalism and politics.As now Sudhindra Kulkarni has no say in post-Advani BJP,Kumar Ketkar is eyeing the important role in Modi's Media and policy wing.

But Ketkar must have clear many hurdles from Mumbai RSS,who has strong objections for Ketkar. Next Modi-Ketkar meeting is scheduled during Diwali,told Samar Khadas-a Ketkar right hand in Divya Marathi.


As I am saying, its not mere hedging, but out right jumping of rats from INC ship. Its time for NaMo to maintain balance of mood (do not become another semi-sickular or display overt aggression with imaginative strength). Till he gets power, he needs to strike a balance, once in power.....


These turn coats and " a dhabba on Marathi manoos" like kumar ketkar, s kulkarni should be dropped. BJP should cultivate new media people who are without baggage. Heck if the NaMo team wants a true desh bhakt who can speak queens English to give a sock to the likes of Karan Thapar there are many NRIs writing for niticentral who could do a better job.

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Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2013 15:27

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Postby Pratyush » 02 Nov 2013 15:31

Patna blasts: How Modi scored over Nitish in Bihar again

Meanwhile in Bihar. It is sad to see the level of venality being displayed by the Ruling dispensation.

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Postby Atri » 02 Nov 2013 15:41

kapilrdave wrote:Every year, on Ashadhi Bij (the second day of month of Ashadh) a Rath Yatra of Bhagvan Jagannathji is carried out in Ahmedabad similar to that in Jagannath Puri (on same day). This yatra goes through entire old city which includes some core muslim areas. These area were considered mini pakistan before 2002. Whenever the yatra go through these streets there would invariably be problems. Stoning, throwing acid bulbs, spars were routine. After the godhra riots in A'bad many top leaders and police officers advised to not to do Raht Yatra in 2003. Modi did not budge. In fact he asserted on the importance of the yatra for that year and instructed officers to ensure a peaceful yatra. A day before the yatra when the route was to be inspected for security by police, modi joined them in their jeep. Then when they reached those 'sensitive' area he asked officers to stop the jeep and told them to stya in jeep. Modi got out of jeep alone and walked through the entire streets in full public view. This was no small deal at that time given the tension among the people and the fact that it was solely modi who was blamed for the riots. Then the next day the yatra concluded in unprecedented peace.

This was the same modi who as a CM worked most indiscrimatedly that the fruits of development were there to be reaped for muslims also. Now the situation is that every year when this yatra is held it receives welcome from the muslims of very same streets with huge hoardings saying "Muslim samaj Jagannath ji ka swagat karta hai (muslim community welcome Jagannath ji)" in Gujarati or Hindi. Sometimes they serve coldrink to the yatris as well. Similarly Hindus welcome muslim Tajia in their streets.


:D are you talking of jivapura area?

Remembered Jan' 1993 when "saaheb" rode standing in an open gypsy through Behrampada in Bandra with an unsheathed sword in his hand. Anand Dighe did the same in kalva-mumbra region.

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Postby harbans » 02 Nov 2013 15:43

Imagine what made Rampukar Singh, police inspector, decide that Imtiaz should be taken into police custody. Singh asked the prime accused in the Patna serial blasts case to produce whether he (Imtiaz) had any licence to carry bombs, if he had one he should produce that to proclaim his innocence. Since Imtiaz failed to produce any such document, he was arrested for unauthorised carriage of bombs. This is no internet joke. This is mentioned in the FIR, filed on the basis of ‘self-statement’ of Rampukar Singh, police inspector-cum-SHO, GRP, Patna Junction, as recorded on Platform No 10 at 11.25 am on 27 October. The officer’s statement is reflection of the state of preparedness and ability to deal with a terror strike situation in the Bihar police.


http://www.firstpost.com/politics/patna ... 08073.html

This is the result of the dhimmification of Institutions in dealing with terrorists. Shinde's message to take it easy if minoriteis involved helps. The cop arresting IMtiaz i am sure was making sure his backside is well covered.

Ref Cartoon PS: Kureel couldn't resist the small fart symbolism for Rahul. :D

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Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2013 15:50

Kureel is pretty devastating as usual.

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Postby archan » 02 Nov 2013 16:00

They are showing a recording of NM's phone call to a victim's wife. He couldn't visit her as they couldn't land due to bad weather. It truly is touching. He assured to take care of her and her 2.5 yr old daughter. Right when they're about to end the call, she starts speaking Gujarati. Modi asks her how does she know the language. She says nevermind that but now you're my father and have to take care of us. I've never heard any politician connect so well with the people. Marketing or whatever, looks like it's working.

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Postby shravan » 02 Nov 2013 16:27

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Postby vishvak » 02 Nov 2013 17:24

VikramS wrote:NaMo should use people like Ketkar to convince fence sitters.
But they should not exert any influence beyond Trophy psuedo-liberals.

If you look at Kashmir model, few Pandits are used as presentable in media to make secular mask plausible in public and to overlook taqiya of ethnic cleansing barbarism. The pandits fighting for cause for Kaashmiri Pandits are nowhere to be found in MSM.

As and when secularism spreads such models may be implemented so it is better to be careful.

Another point is mention of Sardar Patel is done wrt Nehru dynasty, or mention of NaMo is only as due to mismanagement problem. After end of barbaric colonial times, such problems should not have occurred. So also NaMo/BJP/NDA has record of good governance by their own and in presence of pseudo secular misinformation campaigns.
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Postby RoyG » 02 Nov 2013 17:27

kmkraoind wrote:Kumar Ketkar meets Modi-Eyes Sudhindra Kulkarni's role in Team Modi

Veteran Marathi journalist and staunch Gandhi family loyalist Kumar Ketkar is in a mood to shift his age old loyalty,sources from Mumbai BJP claims. Ardent supporter of Sonia Gandhi and aggressive RSS and Modi basher Kumar Ketkar,secretly met BJP's PM in waiting Narendra Modi with BJP leader Shyam Jaju at New Delhi and conveyed his best wishes to Narendra Modi for 2014 general elections.This meeting was aimed at pressing for top berth in Modi's non political team at Delhi,if Modi becomes PM after next year general elections.

State BJP leaders Madhav Bhandari,Atul Bhatkhalakar and Vinod Tawade are opposing the move citing Ketkar's strong anti-RSS views and RSS bashing rhetoric. Also all three has apprised Modi of Ketkar's anti-Hindutva credentials. According to BJP sources Narendra Modi has not given any assurance regarding inducting Ketkar in his new team,but Ketkar was at least successfully sent filler in RSS-BJP circle by meeting Modi.

Divya Marathi editor Samar Khadas clarified that Ketkar is not going to be a BJP member,but he wants to contribute in Narendra Modi's nation building project by sharing his own huge experience in journalism and politics.As now Sudhindra Kulkarni has no say in post-Advani BJP,Kumar Ketkar is eyeing the important role in Modi's Media and policy wing.

But Ketkar must have clear many hurdles from Mumbai RSS,who has strong objections for Ketkar. Next Modi-Ketkar meeting is scheduled during Diwali,told Samar Khadas-a Ketkar right hand in Divya Marathi.


As I am saying, its not mere hedging, but out right jumping of rats from INC ship. Its time for NaMo to maintain balance of mood (do not become another semi-sickular or display overt aggression with imaginative strength). Till he gets power, he needs to strike a balance, once in power.....


Modi isn't stupid. He is one of many in the corrupt media who are hedging their bets. Modi won't spare him unless he is open about his shady dealings with the Congress. He probably has some secret recordings that he has already turned over. We should watch the actions of naxalite sympathizers and prominent NGO persons. Their actions can give us some clues on what's in store for us in this coming election. I had mentioned something like a great exodus taking place of politicians, arms dealers, mediaand NGO persons, etc if Modi becoming PM is imminent.

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Postby vishvak » 02 Nov 2013 17:35

Modi should offer important positions only to deshbhakta. Pseudo seculars can let shady dealers within peripheral distance or worse. Like how some shady arms dealers and compromising fixers were within close circle of Rajiv, Indira, etc.
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Postby RoyG » 02 Nov 2013 17:38

vishvak wrote:Modi should offer important positions only to deshbhakta, pseudo seculars can let shady dealers within peripheral distance or worse. Like how some shady arms dealers and compromising fixers were within close circle of Rajiv, Indira, etc.


This isn't about letting him in. He won't be doing much journalism after Modi is PM. This is about sparing him a jail sentence.

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Postby vishvak » 02 Nov 2013 17:47

So pseudo seculars can infiltrate with Sardar Patel's model of secularism instead of Nehruvian one! NaMo must be careful about this!

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Postby SwamyG » 02 Nov 2013 17:51

Offering condolences is one thing, but televising phone talks is simply not good. It has left a very bad taste in my mouth. Did Mo Team do this, or was this media nautanki. I would have preferred Mo Team to have urged no cameras.

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Postby RoyG » 02 Nov 2013 17:57

SwamyG wrote:Offering condolences is one thing, but televising phone talks is simply not good. It has left a very bad taste in my mouth. Did Mo Team do this, or was this media nautanki. I would have preferred Mo Team to have urged no cameras.


Either way Modi has so much momentum behind him that it becomes a non-issue. The media and Congress will come across as attacking the victims if they take issue with it.

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Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2013 18:19

RoyG wrote:
vishvak wrote:Modi should offer important positions only to deshbhakta, pseudo seculars can let shady dealers within peripheral distance or worse. Like how some shady arms dealers and compromising fixers were within close circle of Rajiv, Indira, etc.


This isn't about letting him in. He won't be doing much journalism after Modi is PM. This is about sparing him a jail sentence.


heh heh well said. :rotfl:

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Postby fanne » 02 Nov 2013 18:29

This is in Singha speak, probing attack, how adjusting Modi will be. If he can live with Kelkar, then perhaps he is ABV types and should be allowed, else....
Modi should also play this game. There is no point giving answers in black n white

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Postby RajeshA » 02 Nov 2013 18:43

SwamyG wrote:Offering condolences is one thing, but televising phone talks is simply not good. It has left a very bad taste in my mouth. Did Mo Team do this, or was this media nautanki. I would have preferred Mo Team to have urged no cameras.

No Sir!

This is wrong sensitivity!

If riots happen in Gujarat, plight of minority community is aired 24x7. And this causes bad taste!!!

If somebody has died as a Shaheed and achieved "Veergati", there is absolutely no need for secrecy or keeping it low-key. The world should become aware of the family and their sacrifice. Their story has to be told. Narendrabhai is simply the medium here!

It is wrong to think that sensationalizing the affair would do injustice to the gravity of death in the family and somehow demean the sentiments of the family. If the dead is a martyr, then whole country becomes the family and there is no need for privacy among the "extended family members"!

Those who died, deserve to be known by their countrymen! There should be no shame in owning up somebody who died resisting Adharma!

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Postby Singha » 02 Nov 2013 19:13

culturally "private grief" is a western black coat and tie subdued funeral thing..with people paying their respects wearing dark sunglasses in the funeral home and the long slow procession with blinking lights to the burial ground.
if you have ever been to indian funerals its not like that.....I have been to quite a few starting from newborn babies to my own father. and here in the south there is even a drummer and a bunch of drunk looking youths dancing ahead of the procession for reasons I have yet to explore. for sure death is not a hugely pvt thing here.

atleast the family might stand to get a quick compensation since the Niku govt will now have to stand by its commitments.

and make no mistake this file MUST be re opened if regime change happens and the real culprits soundly thrashed and punished. until then the souls of the dead and the goddess of justice will not find lasting peace.

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Postby Gus » 02 Nov 2013 19:16

if the family itself is fine with this..then what is the need to get a bad taste in the mouth.

Singha - the drums and dance is just a way of announcing to the people that so and so has passed. imo, it is common in cities, esp chennai. not so in other tn places.

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