Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 05 Nov 2013 20:18

Trouble.

The MSM channels are going wild with this story.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/gujarat/a ... 88080.html

A BJP MP, Dinu Solanki from Junagarh (Gujarat) has been arrested by the Caged Parrot for alleged involvement in the murder of RTI activist Amit Jethwa. Jethwa had apparently filed an RTI petition against illegal mining and lion poaching in Gir when he was assaulted and killed. Guj police had given Solanki a clean chit but Caged Parrot has seen fit to arrest him.

Will this be used to tarnish Modi? It looks like that process has already started.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 05 Nov 2013 20:42

Rudradev wrote:Trouble.

The MSM channels are going wild with this story.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/gujarat/a ... 88080.html

A BJP MP, Dinu Solanki from Junagarh (Gujarat) has been arrested by the Caged Parrot for alleged involvement in the murder of RTI activist Amit Jethwa. Jethwa had apparently filed an RTI petition against illegal mining and lion poaching in Gir when he was assaulted and killed. Guj police had given Solanki a clean chit but Caged Parrot has seen fit to arrest him.

Will this be used to tarnish Modi? It looks like that process has already started.

Koi Fayda nahi Rudradev ji,

MSM's image is so bad and Modi's image is so rock solid that, junta does not care 2 hoots about this. The people who care are anyway not going to vote BJP (they always find a reason not to)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Nov 2013 20:44

Yeah but msm will whip themselves into a orgiastic state with breaking news and nightly talk shows on ..does this end modi campaign? Modi loyalist arrested for murder!

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 05 Nov 2013 20:50

Shows state of MSM only. The same msm shows miracle of silence and ignorance even for serial bomb blasts at rally of BJP.

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 05 Nov 2013 20:59

Varun Gandhi in May 1st 2013 at Bareilly.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 05 Nov 2013 21:03

Sushupti wrote:INTERVIEW-Indian minister likens rise of PM candidate Modi to Third Reich

http://www.trust.org/item/20131105130235-jekkg/

Provides the perfect opening for BJP to respond by likening the Dynasty's mob rule to that of the British.

syele · Post by **syele** » 05 Nov 2013 21:05

BJP wins whopping 61% votes in India Today e-poll, Congress a measly 5%

In an attempt to gauge the mood of the nation in the run-up to the coming general election, the India Today Group has conducted what can easily be called the most comprehensive opinion poll ever done. Over the internet and over telephone, a total of 556,460 votes were cast and a whopping 61 per cent of these votes were in favour of the BJP. Congress got a measly 5 per cent of the votes.

If elections were held on the web, the India Today poll says the BJP will sweep most regions of the country. Digital voters who participated in the poll even wanted the inclusion of the BJP as an option in States where the party has no real presence. In such States, the percentage of votes that went to the ‘don’t want to vote’ category was more even than the total number of votes some parties received.

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/11/05/b ... 54589.html

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/soci ... 21267.html

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 05 Nov 2013 21:15

Goldman Sachs Also Bullish on Modi

Will the Loony Left now accuse Goldman Sachs of turning into communal fanbois ?

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 05 Nov 2013 21:16

Arjun wrote:
Sushupti wrote:INTERVIEW-Indian minister likens rise of PM candidate Modi to Third Reich

http://www.trust.org/item/20131105130235-jekkg/
Provides the perfect opening for BJP to respond by likening the Dynasty's mob rule to that of the British.

Something to consider.

"Third Reich", "Hitler" etc. don't mean very much to the Indian voter of today. India never suffered anything as a result of Hitler or the Nazis; if anything, their war on Britain brought us independence sooner. And besides it was all a very long time ago.

Apart from a very, very small fraction of deracinated Indian elite, therefore, these terms of abuse mean very little. They amount to name-calling and no more.

This is not true, however, of opinion in the West. There, "Hitler", "Third Reich" etc. are still anathema, still evoke an enormous emotive response, and still represent earth-shaking disaster.

So when Congis like Jairam Ramesh or Manish Tiwari persistently use these analogies... whom are they aiming at? Who is their intended audience?

I strongly believe it is aimed at the West. It is, in effect, a plea for Congress' Western Masters to intervene in the Indian democratic process and do whatever it takes to stop the rise of Modi. It is Western opinion that these "Hitler" pronouncements are intended to scare and goad into supportive action for the Congress; in a sense, it is very much like Musharraf threatening the US with "after me, the deluge."

The Congis, like the Pakis, are now negotiating with the West with a gun to their heads. It's a mark of the scale to which their desperation has now progressed. The West has already responded in some ways... Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager/Attack-Dog, Stephanie Cutter, has been advising the Rahul Gandhi campaign. I am sure the Wilsonians in DC are already looking at ways to foist Rahul like a Yeltsin upon India.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Nov 2013 21:21

"third reich" == "south asia nuclear war"
"congis" == "PPP/Nawaz/TSPA"
"India" == "TSP"

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 05 Nov 2013 21:29

Rudradev wrote: So when Congis like Jairam Ramesh or Manish Tiwari persistently use these analogies... whom are they aiming at? Who is their intended audience?

or..these people are just plain idiots and don't know what to come up with and go with the meme they have trying since 2002 - 'HES A FASCIST...HES A HITLER'..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 05 Nov 2013 21:38

99.99% of people in india (incl me) have no idea what fascist really means. I did read somewhere that mussolini and hitler were fascist but its a western construct alien to our language and terminology. all these western educated congi ministers and chelas are quite at home in london debates and paris salons vs anywhere outside lutyens delhi.

rajithn · Post by **rajithn** » 05 Nov 2013 21:42

Gus wrote:
Rudradev wrote: So when Congis like Jairam Ramesh or Manish Tiwari persistently use these analogies... whom are they aiming at? Who is their intended audience?
or..these people are just plain idiots and don't know what to come up with and go with the meme they have trying since 2002 - 'HES A FASCIST...HES A HITLER'..

The Congis seem to have lost a lot of the plot. Not all of it - they are too devious for that - but quite a lot. When they did not get traction for their squeals to go lighter on the "Shehzada" moniker for Raul Gandhi, this is the one of the ways the geniuses have thought of lashing out.

And as another poster said, "Hitler" and the "Third Reich" never made inroads into the social equation in rural India; for that matter, even with some of the urban centres. So this is ideally a screech for help to the western media to run with it - after all, there are still many Indians who think anything that comes from the "Gora" is God's writ. So with enough western coverage, they hope to sow seeds of doubts in these minds. My personal opinion is that this isn't likely to succeed.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 05 Nov 2013 21:43

In fact, the view in rural India is that Hitler was a great man (in the sense that he tried to bring his native country - Germany - forward), but somehow ended up on the wrong side of history. And to the rustic Indian mind (no offense meant in the use of the term "rustic"), working for your country's betterment and upliftment, and willing to fight for it (a world war, no less), is very very dharmic.

Edit: I've heard this view being expressed by my own classmates in school. And this was in a (kind of, but not really) elitist school in a major city in India.

disha · Post by **disha** » 05 Nov 2013 22:03

Rudradev wrote:Trouble.

The MSM channels are going wild with this story.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/gujarat/a ... 88080.html

A BJP MP, Dinu Solanki from Junagarh (Gujarat) has been arrested by the Caged Parrot for alleged involvement in the murder of RTI activist Amit Jethwa. Jethwa had apparently filed an RTI petition against illegal mining and lion poaching in Gir when he was assaulted and killed. Guj police had given Solanki a clean chit but Caged Parrot has seen fit to arrest him.

Will this be used to tarnish Modi? It looks like that process has already started.

We are seeing Junagadh through rose-tinted post-modernist western-liberal eyes. Take a step back, Junagadh was at one stage an important outpost of the Mauryan empire - some 2500 years back - in continuous flux (has Ranakdevi temple/occupied by Muslims etc). So over years, layers and layers and layers of class/caste/land/family/traditions/culture/religion/what-not has accrued.

Amit Jethwa and Dinu Solanki are both from Rajput clans and is generally seen as an internecine warfare between Rajputs. The local police is of course hand-in-glove and their main job is to ensure that this internecine war does not spill over to aam-admi. Aam-admi is amused by the internecine war and do not want their roji-roti to be affected by this nautanki.

Yes, there are people in society who are concerned about all this illegal mining. And yes there are corrupt officials incl. IFS officers who are hand in glove to loot forest resources including lion poaching.

But then the above is not Gujarat but SauRashtra (100 nations)., which was always difficult to govern.

And after all the blow to Modi stuff and all that, just sit back and chillax. This things need enormous patience and time to come up with solutions that work. For example, slowly with Guj. tourism campaign, the lions of Gir are gaining prominence and from bottom-up/top-down people think this is worth saving. With increased tourism and better availibility of other jobs (it is easier to drive tourists around in a/c buses than breaking stones in mining), the costs of mining is going up and more people think that is an eye-sore. So yes, this will take actually a generational change or too. In the meantime for the chatterati - blowing to NaMo is easy.

PS: And the above is CongI politics at work, Saurashtra & Kutch are regions in flux - the fort of CongIs in Kutch has been breached by the development of Kutch, porbandar etc. is churning (Radadia - the gun welding gentleman) - if this continuous in a decade or two CongIs will be wiped out from N. Guj. Of course CBI is helping the CongIs and slowing the process down.

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 05 Nov 2013 22:04

sudarshan wrote:In fact, the view in rural India is that Hitler was a great man (in the sense that he tried to bring his native country - Germany - forward), but somehow ended up on the wrong side of history. And to the rustic Indian mind (no offense meant in the use of the term "rustic"), working for your country's betterment and upliftment, and willing to fight for it (a world war, no less), is very very dharmic.

Edit: I've heard this view being expressed by my own classmates in school. And this was in a (kind of, but not really) elitist school in a major city in India.

true.. India ko hitler chahiye, is an oft repeated and agreed upon line in most of the circles. And they never heard of holocaust (well, usne jews ko thik kiya is the most that is heard - and looked upon as essential thing with obvious reference towards the community which shall not be named under moderation rules). For average desibhai and behen - Hitler is synonymous to patriotism, development, good roads etc and one who fixed the angrez once and for all, giving us independence - this is the understanding of average Ramu in India. Heck, they even like him for Swastika and aryan and other Indic metaphors.

Faasivaadi (fascist) epithet is used for long - especially the janta-dal types and dalit-organizations equate it to high-caste domination. The term resonates with people only in that context. the OBC background of modi is going to break several sand-castles in 2014. It may or may not translate into seats in this election, but rest assured that the chakra of dharma has begun rotating in higher gear.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 05 Nov 2013 22:15

Mafia queen father was a fascist party member. Of course S Swamy says the father was Russian or something like that. Modi and Internet Hindus should propagate this actively.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 05 Nov 2013 22:26

problem is going personal to some extent is ok , after that it might back fire

stick to what matters to most indians, good governance , etc ,

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 05 Nov 2013 22:27

http://www.niticentral.com/2013/11/05/m ... 54386.html
Modi has brought optimism in market, says Goldman Sachs

The possibility of BJP’s Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi leading the nation after the next Lok Sabha poll has triggered optimism in markets following which Goldman Sachs has raised its investment stance on India, says a report published in Economic Times.

Revising its earlier estimates and opinion on India, global investment bank, Goldman Sachs has raised its investment stance on India to ‘Marketweight’ and increased the NIFTY index target to 6900, for 2014-end which implies nearly 9 per cent potential upside from current levels, the report said.

According to the global investment bank there is optimism in markets over political change led by BJP’s Prime Ministerial candidate Narendra Modi. Apart from the political scenario, external capital account pressures have moderated, atleast for now, says the bank.

This probably causes tremors in CONGi's pants

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 05 Nov 2013 22:36

Forget Fascism, most Indians even the educated elite don't know what Secularism means Witness our top politicians, the Tharoors, Kejriwals, Chidambarams. True secularism in India comes only with a UCC! That makes the BJP the only true secular party. Yet it is flawed to say Indians like Hitler. HItler is not admired in the way some have out above. People heard of Hitler as a strict disciplinarian. With rowdies mobilizing in colonies, and government officials harassing and pitching for bribes to get work done..common folks said some danda/ Hitler should be there to set things right. It's not any endorsement of Hitler but a casual too casual yearning for disciplining society that is expressed. I have asked and told a few who you used the term (village kinds) if they approved of the mass slaughter that he did, and they said no. People are not that stupid and nowadays i hardly find many except educated types approving of Hitler.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 05 Nov 2013 22:39

Regarding Fascism there is no Indianized version as such. It's just that..a dictator who doesn't go by any script. No true Indic will have any regard for such systems. The Indic one is a script crafted by Dharma. Any appreciation towards fasicsm or admiration is another Western import. But the root was getting some discipline into Indian society. Not making it some slaughterhouse as done by Hitler and Mussolini.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Nov 2013 22:40

so can we coin iHindus or iYindoos before apple patents them?

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 05 Nov 2013 22:44

harbans wrote:Regarding Fascism there is no Indianized version as such. It's just that..a dictator who doesn't go by any script. No true Indic will have any regard for such systems. The Indic one is a script crafted by Dharma. Any appreciation towards fasicsm or admiration is another Western import. But the root was getting some discipline into Indian society. Not making it some slaughterhouse as done by Hitler and Mussolini.

which precisely makes use of all such metaphors by congress folks useless in Indian context.

I agree - disciplinarian is a better word to explain why indians speak of hitler. heck, rightly, britishers are hated more for obvious reasons in India.

I think they should slowly start speaking lalong the lines of INC being modern angrez - they already have begun saying cong mukt bharat which is eerily similar and a small step away from becoming fully blown congressiyo bharat chhodo..

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 05 Nov 2013 22:45

Rudradev wrote:
Arjun wrote:INTERVIEW-Indian minister likens rise of PM candidate Modi to Third Reich

http://www.trust.org/item/20131105130235-jekkg/
Provides the perfect opening for BJP to respond by likening the Dynasty's mob rule to that of the British.
Something to consider.

"Third Reich", "Hitler" etc. don't mean very much to the Indian voter of today. India never suffered anything as a result of Hitler or the Nazis; if anything, their war on Britain brought us independence sooner. And besides it was all a very long time ago.

Apart from a very, very small fraction of deracinated Indian elite, therefore, these terms of abuse mean very little. They amount to name-calling and no more.

This is not true, however, of opinion in the West. There, "Hitler", "Third Reich" etc. are still anathema, still evoke an enormous emotive response, and still represent earth-shaking disaster.

So when Congis like Jairam Ramesh or Manish Tiwari persistently use these analogies... whom are they aiming at? Who is their intended audience?

I strongly believe it is aimed at the West. It is, in effect, a plea for Congress' Western Masters to intervene in the Indian democratic process and do whatever it takes to stop the rise of Modi. It is Western opinion that these "Hitler" pronouncements are intended to scare and goad into supportive action for the Congress; in a sense, it is very much like Musharraf threatening the US with "after me, the deluge."

The Congis, like the Pakis, are now negotiating with the West with a gun to their heads. It's a mark of the scale to which their desperation has now progressed. The West has already responded in some ways... Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager/Attack-Dog, Stephanie Cutter, has been advising the Rahul Gandhi campaign. I am sure the Wilsonians in DC are already looking at ways to foist Rahul like a Yeltsin upon India.

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SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 05 Nov 2013 22:46

did the word kangrez came from kala angrez?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 05 Nov 2013 23:02

Everytime they say Elections is between Congress and RSS, one should reply that the election is between BJP and the 7M Alliance comprising Mullahs, Missionaries, Macaulayists, Maoists, Mafia, Media and MNCs.

Or more like 1M vs 7M, Modi vs the Rest!

#7M_CONgress

negi · Post by **negi** » 05 Nov 2013 23:04

^ M se ek aur cheej hai sarkar . Omkara to dekhe hi hoge

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 05 Nov 2013 23:08

^example mahesh bhatt and md azharuddin

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 06 Nov 2013 00:18

Need to augment iHindus vocabulary with DIE.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 06 Nov 2013 00:22

We've had experts who said 'Modi is darkness at noon, Priyanka is brighness at night.'

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 06 Nov 2013 00:27

RajeshA wrote:Everytime they say Elections is between Congress and RSS, one should reply that the election is between BJP and the 7M Alliance comprising Mullahs, Missionaries, Macaulayists, Maoists, Mafia, Media and MNCs.
Or more like 1M vs 7M, Modi vs the Rest!
#7M_CONgress

Not Seven But 8.9, Dont Forget Maino and Money Laundering MCs..

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 06 Nov 2013 00:28

N Ram's article against Modi on hindu op ed. anyone read it? same crap repeated over and over again.

syele · Post by **syele** » 06 Nov 2013 00:29

Congress failed to decide who in BJP should be their PM candidate. Now it is trying to define what BJP's name should be, RSS or Nazi Party.

Even this will fail.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 06 Nov 2013 00:54

Congress set to drag Narendra Modi into direct fight on BJP's core issues

Under relentless attack from Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, the Congress is busy reworking its strategy to counter him.

The party has now decided to engage the Gujarat chief minister on contentious issues of Article 370, uniform civil code and Ram temple at Ayodhya along with foreign and economic policies.

The BJP maintains it will scrap Article 370, which accords special status to Jammu and Kashmir, from the constitution, enforce a uniform civil code for all citizens of the country irrespective of their religion and construct a grand Ram temple at Ayodhya if it comes to power at the Centre on its own.

The BJP’s
opponents question its silence on these issues when it led a coalition government (the National Democratic Alliance) at the Centre from 1998 to 2004.

In power, the Hindu nationalist party had set aside these issues and worked on an NDA agenda for governance.

So far, Modi has maintained silence on these issues and also said that poor Hindus and Muslims must fight poverty and not each other.

He also has talked of “India First” being his party’s primary objective in all its approaches to solve the country’s ills.

Modi’s aggressive campaigning has forced the Congress to constantly review its strategy to counter him.

From completely ignoring him in its campaign for Gujarat assembly elections last year to now directly engaging him on these controversial subjects, the Congress hopes to push Modi to take up Hindutva issues so that the BJP’s bid to project itself anew is thwarted.

“We’ll put questions to him through the media and other forums. Let him spell out his stand on these issues,” said a Congress strategist who did not want to be named.

On foreign policy, the Congress would look to corner Modi by asking him to state his position on whether India should hold dialogue with Pakistan or not.

The Congress attack on Modi, according to indications, could begin after the declaration of results of coming elections in five states.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/ ... 47522.aspx

negi · Post by **negi** » 06 Nov 2013 00:55

harbans wrote:We've had experts who said 'Modi is darkness at noon, Priyanka is brighness at night.'

Raat ka bada pata hai in salo ko.

Btw kaun bola ye ? Abhishek Manu Singhvi ?

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 06 Nov 2013 01:17

Rahul Gandhi should challenge Narendra Modi to a televised debate on national issues.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 06 Nov 2013 02:41

Jhujar wrote:
RajeshA wrote:Everytime they say Elections is between Congress and RSS, one should reply that the election is between BJP and the 7M Alliance comprising Mullahs, Missionaries, Macaulayists, Maoists, Mafia, Media and MNCs.
Or more like 1M vs 7M, Modi vs the Rest!
#7M_CONgress
Not Seven But 8.9, Dont Forget Maino and Money Laundering MCs..

Jhujar ji,

Twitter says only 140 chars. What to do? FWIW, Maino comes in both Missionaries and Mafia and other categories also. MLMC are Mafia!

But why not? Let Modi go up against 100 Ms!

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 06 Nov 2013 03:08

KJoishy wrote:Rahul Gandhi should challenge Narendra Modi to a televised debate on national issues.

Issues are state of mind onlee saar !!
Poor RG has not mentioned NaMo in any of his monologues but then other than mommy, daddy and Dadi-ma, who else he has mentioned in his monologues.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 06 Nov 2013 03:11

Goldman Sachs upbeat on Indian economy, and upgrades India. Why? Because it is expecting a political change."Modi-fying our view" is the title of a new report, calling Modi as an agent of change.
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2013 ... h-on-modi/

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 06 Nov 2013 06:14

KJoishy wrote:Rahul Gandhi should challenge Narendra Modi to a televised debate on national issues.

Forget that. I am having withdrawal symptoms since there has been no more 25k mosquitos bit me sort of stuff. Had become used to one such set of comments every week.