Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby gakakkad » 10 Nov 2013 13:53

mahajan was very much alive in 2004..iirc he spearheaded the disastrous Yindia shining campaign..

2004 had a lot to do with the vagaries of Indian electoral politics..and disasters in Andhra/tamil nadu and maha...

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Postby Karan M » 10 Nov 2013 14:58

and how did mahajan, the guy in charge of bjp finances die..

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Postby Pratyush » 10 Nov 2013 15:02

He was murdered by his yonger brother, who inturn committed sucide.

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Postby Karan M » 10 Nov 2013 15:27

pretty convenient

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Postby negi » 10 Nov 2013 15:28

Chidambaram se apna kaam to hota nahin theek se terrorist ke sath hi ghoomega; secular jo hai.

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Postby chetak » 10 Nov 2013 15:33

Pratyush wrote:He was murdered by his yonger brother, who inturn committed sucide.


The younger brother had cancer and he died of that IIRC.

There are enough CTs floating about :)

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Postby chaanakya » 10 Nov 2013 15:58

NaMo is giving lessons in History and Geography to MMS .Full baboozle in progress. I would not even dare to point mistakes if he makes it. :twisted: Must be deliberate.


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Postby harbans » 10 Nov 2013 16:14

The ashes Modi got back in 2003 was of Shyam Kishan Verma..not Shyam Prasad Mukherjee. Slip of tongue for sure, but i doubt Diggie and Manish types are going to let this sort of thing go. NM too has to be a bit careful on the slip front.

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Postby negi » 10 Nov 2013 16:22

^ He corrected it in the end.

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Postby harbans » 10 Nov 2013 16:26

^ See from 57:15..where did he correct it?

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Postby Hari Seldon » 10 Nov 2013 16:32

Sri Narendra Moody is baiting kangressis into responding with finger-wagging corrections perhaps...

Will have the effect of turning the spotlight on the incident being mentioned (much like with the Sardar Patel controversy).

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Postby Arjun » 10 Nov 2013 16:35

He specifically corrected that slip. It's playing on the tv channels.

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Postby BhairavP » 10 Nov 2013 18:04

Went to a stand-up comedy show last night, Rohan Joshi and Aditi Mittal. Mr. Sanjay Jha was sitting in the audience, and the comedians took the UPA and Manmohan apart, with some very funny non-veg jokes.
Mr Jha's face was a sight to behold :twisted:

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Postby Muppalla » 10 Nov 2013 18:17

niran wrote:according to congress own internal survey, as of November 4 2013, congress 96 seats bhajapa 302 seats, basapa 17 seats sapa paltry 2 seats(that is the reason for 32000sq feet land to bhenji in lutyens dilli and sapa told to hang their cycle on their heads) Tmc 22, communists 9 ncp 3 rest is between the sena etc etc.
raj takeray already have a pact with NaMo and Oodhaw takeray, it will be revealed at opportune time.


Where do you get this number? I don't even think they have any chance to get such a number. 200 is super-duper max they can go. If they make right coalition partner across nation that includes BJD, Mamta then can get NDA to 300+ when INC gets a drubbing to 96. In addition, when congress goes less than 96, post poll BJP kitty will grow due to realignment of forces.

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Postby Muppalla » 10 Nov 2013 18:22

suryag wrote:Niranji bhajpa has this unique ability to snatch defeat from jaws of victory, they have done this in 2004 and repeated in 2009 so wont be surprised if it happens again


It is a very simple mantra. If BJP forces a straight contest between INC+ and itself this time we see a massive NDA victory. UP and Bihar are exceptions to this theory. Otherwise we will keep talking numbers and yes you could be right.

A lot of state units of BJP are pure junk. Modi's team needs to wipe them first and go with a strategy to ensure INC is lost. They have to seriously plot AP, Orissa(local BJP is spoiler). They have to finalize Karnataka, Maha, Haryana and Jharkhand. (Top BJP leaders are the spoiler)

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Postby chaanakya » 10 Nov 2013 18:34

harbans wrote:^ See from 57:15..where did he correct it?


He corrected it at 1:03:52 onwards.

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Postby Karan M » 10 Nov 2013 18:36

BhairavP wrote:Went to a stand-up comedy show last night, Rohan Joshi and Aditi Mittal. Mr. Sanjay Jha was sitting in the audience, and the comedians took the UPA and Manmohan apart, with some very funny non-veg jokes.
Mr Jha's face was a sight to behold :twisted:


More details please. :D

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Postby chaanakya » 10 Nov 2013 18:39

Khooni Panjaa comments is brought before ECI by congis but they forgot about Maut Ka Saudagar comment of SG.

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Postby harbans » 10 Nov 2013 19:18

He corrected it at 1:03:52 onwards.


Thanks Chaanakya ji! He had finished his speech and sat down. Got up again and corrected it. Great..doesn't leave the Diggies with ammo on this. PS: Was watching the speech live and when the error came about i shot off the error to NM..hoping he would correct it. TV channel switched off after the Bharat mata ki jai. Si was not aware of the correction.

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Postby BhairavP » 10 Nov 2013 19:32

Karan M wrote:
BhairavP wrote:Went to a stand-up comedy show last night, Rohan Joshi and Aditi Mittal. Mr. Sanjay Jha was sitting in the audience, and the comedians took the UPA and Manmohan apart, with some very funny non-veg jokes.
Mr Jha's face was a sight to behold :twisted:


More details please. :D


Oh, it started off with how Haryana has so much female foeticide, that there is no pu**y left there now, until Manmohan Singh walks in to Gurgaon that is!
The rest is pretty much unprintable.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 10 Nov 2013 19:34

BhairavP wrote:Went to a stand-up comedy show last night, Rohan Joshi and Aditi Mittal. Mr. Sanjay Jha was sitting in the audience, and the comedians took the UPA and Manmohan apart, with some very funny non-veg jokes.
Mr Jha's face was a sight to behold :twisted:


bah, sanjay jha is beyond shameless. doubt it would've rattled him any.

Am reminded of some psec shootia from the stand-up community lamenting a few months ago that urban young audience is not taking namo jokes in right spirit and is actually boo-ing on some of his crack-oh jokes only.. :((

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Postby sunnyP » 10 Nov 2013 19:46

Muppalla wrote:
niran wrote:according to congress own internal survey, as of November 4 2013, congress 96 seats bhajapa 302 seats, basapa 17 seats sapa paltry 2 seats(that is the reason for 32000sq feet land to bhenji in lutyens dilli and sapa told to hang their cycle on their heads) Tmc 22, communists 9 ncp 3 rest is between the sena etc etc.
raj takeray already have a pact with NaMo and Oodhaw takeray, it will be revealed at opportune time.


Where do you get this number? I don't even think they have any chance to get such a number. 200 is super-duper max they can go. If they make right coalition partner across nation that includes BJD, Mamta then can get NDA to 300+ when INC gets a drubbing to 96. In addition, when congress goes less than 96, post poll BJP kitty will grow due to realignment of forces.


Do you think they will also need Maya to make up the numbers? I fear so. Having 2 megalomaniacs/narcissists in Mamta/Maya in the 'alliance' will make governing tough - I hate coalition politics.

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Postby Singha » 10 Nov 2013 19:56

what are the intentions of Patnaik in Orissa? is he a firm INC supporter, or looking to bargain with whoever stands the best chance post elections?

MB has said nothing about INC or BJP for a while..indicates she may be willing to bargain with the winner for the best economic pkg.

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Postby Santosh » 10 Nov 2013 21:04

MB enjoys a good rapo with NaMo. IIRC in one of the recent rallies he praised MB. Lets wait and watch. Is she part of UPA2 or did she withdraw support already?

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Postby Shanmukh » 10 Nov 2013 21:32

Santosh wrote:MB enjoys a good rapo with NaMo. IIRC in one of the recent rallies he praised MB. Lets wait and watch. Is she part of UPA2 or did she withdraw support already?


She is not part of UPA2. She has already moved away.

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Postby Yagnasri » 10 Nov 2013 22:04

MB has 35% muslim vote to get. She is pamparing to Muslim fellows in a big way. She may support on issue based basis or may try 3rd front drama. I do not know what Varun is going there. He is under the radar now for many weeks. Any low flying ground attack runs under way? I do not know.

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Postby sudarshan » 10 Nov 2013 22:12

NaMo's "errors and slips" may be along the lines of this old story, which has as its actors Israel/Palestine, India/Pakistan, or whatever is the story-teller's fancy. The story may not even be true, but is very illustrative.

With India/Pakistan: the Indian envoy to the UN stands up and says - "'In 7000 BC (or whenever), when Parasurama was in Kashmir, he put down his axe and went to take a bath. When he returned, he found that his axe was gone. A Pakistani had stolen it! This is how treacherous these Pakistanis were, even 9000 years ago.'

The Paki envoy jumps up and hollers: 'what rot! The story is an obvious fabrication. There was no such thing as Pakistan then. Pakistan only came into being in 1947 AD.'

The Indian envoy smiles and says: 'now that we've established that, let us continue the discussion on Kashmir, India, and this fledgling entity called Pakistan which is only 60 years old.'"

Get the picture?

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Postby Yagnasri » 10 Nov 2013 23:15

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/m ... 335368.ece

Plan to sell national interests are in full swing. Mafia gets Us support. Check Hegal Paki lover is going to visit India. Is one ot the deal items is to remove Modi one way or another.

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Postby member_20292 » 11 Nov 2013 00:07

nageshks wrote:
consequently, their interest in us will be only predatory.

So, I think we should just drop the charade and make the relationship between India and US transactional. US, on a civilization level, will never be an Indian ally. Anyone who expects that is only fooling himself.



1. a lot of people here have lived or live in the US. The US is about transactional, 'matlabi' relationships.
So, this should not surprise us.

2. We can get our way too, from them, and we do. So, it goes both ways.

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Postby mayo » 11 Nov 2013 02:19

Talking about deliberate slips, will it help, if Modi ji were to go out in one of his speeches and say that if the black money were to be brought back, every Indian will get 1000x(real_amount)? He should make it a very large number (say 5lacs each home). How even though the number used will be wrong, Congress will be in knots if they try to correct him. What will Congress say? That the real mount is 0.5lac and not 5lacs?

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Postby muraliravi » 11 Nov 2013 02:24

Narayana Rao wrote:MB has 35% muslim vote to get. She is pamparing to Muslim fellows in a big way. She may support on issue based basis or may try 3rd front drama. I do not know what Varun is going there. He is under the radar now for many weeks. Any low flying ground attack runs under way? I do not know.


The WB muslim pop is barely 26-27% (25% in 2001 census), WB usually has high voting % from all groups, so i dont expect muslim voter % to exceed 28-29% at max. Again that does not mean she is not courting them, i am just saying. And moreover, this % already includes all illegal bd's also, since our census anyways counts residents, not citizens.
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Postby sudarshan » 11 Nov 2013 02:40

mayo wrote:Talking about deliberate slips, will it help, if Modi ji were to go out in one of his speeches and say that if the black money were to be brought back, every Indian will get 1000x(real_amount)? He should make it a very large number (say 5lacs each home). How even though the number used will be wrong, Congress will be in knots if they try to correct him. What will Congress say? That the real mount is 0.5lac and not 5lacs?


Maybe not. When Modi comes to power, what if each Indian holds him to his word, and expects to receive 5 lakhs per home?

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Postby SaiK » 11 Nov 2013 03:23

putting the blackers behind bars, and make all taxes been filed is enough money to pay 5 lakhs for all. it can come via tax reductions or no income tax at all as dr ss says.

i'd want to ban tax for RE sector, and make it flat 4% transaction fees on the original . no cash transaction allowed.. no cash taken into bank without producing source of income - validate no cash txn.

RE inflation will come down, and middle class will get affordable homes.. poor people can move into middle income zone.

if one starter to kill corruption is the RE switch. kill that deamon! and even a ripple effect will be seen by reduced rowdyism as well... it all starts from RE sector

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Postby panduranghari » 11 Nov 2013 03:34

Banning cash transactions? that's egjactlee what mafia family handlers in US want. Will the next suggestion be make GOI promise loans for mango Abdul to buy pwoperdee? This socialist stuff has NOfuture in the brave new world that's being ushered in by the cabal.

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 Nov 2013 05:01

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People Attending #HaryanaShaktiRally were Given LiquorBottles @KanchanGupta @DrShobha Delhi #BJP4Delhi @KiranKS #NaMo pic.twitter.com/2Y9nl6Cxx5

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 Nov 2013 05:43

Biting the hand that feeds: India's small towns favour opposition




Sun, Nov 10 15:59 PM EST
By Krishna N Das and Shyamantha Asokan

KASBA BONLI, India, Nov 11 (Reuters) - Kasba Bonli is a newly prosperous market town in the northern Indian state of Rajasthan and it should be a perfect advertisement for the ruling Congress party's pro-farmer policies. Instead the buzz in the bazaar is for the opposition.

In just a few years, handouts for farmers by Congress have helped turn the once-deprived village into a thriving retail centre, selling everything from glittery bangles to satellite dishes.

The Congress party-led government pours at least $20 billion a year into rural India in addition to free education and health and cheap food. Cheap fertiliser, seeds and electricity, 100 days of guaranteed paid work a year and new rural roads have given farmers cash to spend.

These funds have helped create an emerging middle class, mostly in semi-urban and small towns, which one estimate has put at almost a quarter of India's 1.2 billion people.

But many in this new middle class believe the next step up the income ladder will come when the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Narendra Modi, its candidate for prime minister and currently the chief minister of neighbouring Gujarat state, will be in power. That bodes ill for Congress ahead of a general election that must be held by May.

Farmer Raghuvir Meena, who voted for Congress in the last state polls, bought two new tractors over the past few years and nearly doubled his farming area, attributing the prosperity to better farming techniques and seeds. He sent three of his four children to college to train as teachers. Now he wants to get out of farming and this time Modi has his vote.

"Modi's track record in Gujarat has excited the youth. Even I would love to see BJP come back to power, for my kids, for their jobs," he said, juggling phone calls on his mobile.


Modi is widely seen as a business-friendly reformer who has attracted investment and bolstered economic growth in Gujarat, providing jobs to many.

For Congress this trend in the small towns is the latest in a series of reverses. It is already battling slowing economic growth, perceptions of poor governance, several corruption scandals and the growing popularity of Modi.

For decades, Congress relied on its pro-farmer policies giving it rural votes. Then, at the last election in 2009, it gained wide support in cities during a period of fast economic growth to win a second consecutive term in office.

However, the urban goodwill is fast eroding because of corruption and a sense of policy drift, while its base constituency of rural poor is shrinking.

"It's a new phenomenon. It's not something that we have been used to in the past," said Jairam Ramesh, India's rural development minister, of the demographic shift.

"Very often experience shows that beneficiaries of programmes instituted by one party end up voting for the other political party," he said. :rotfl: (He can't understand why they can't eat one FULL roti pet bhar ke and vote for CONGis as ordered by Shahazada)

MODI'S ALLURE

Beyond the commercial bustle, Kasba Bonli has little to offer to the groups of twenty-somethings who loiter on motorcycles in the dusty market, unable to find work.

Often the first graduates in their families, these young men say they want industries and professional jobs rather than more handouts, and they look to Modi for providing such opportunities, not Congress.


Modi has attracted companies such as Ford Motor Co, Maruti Suzuki and Tata Motors to Gujarat, the state he has governed since 2001.

But he is also seen as a polarising figure. Critics of Modi, a Hindu nationalist, say he didn't do enough to stop religious riots on his watch in 2002 that killed at least 1,000 people, mainly Muslims, although the allegations have never been proved. Others say that despite fast growth, his state is a laggard on social and poverty indicators.

That's not the impression held by Mateem Khan, a frustrated 22-year-old Muslim resident of Kasba Bonli with a lowly data-entry job at the local office for one of the handout schemes, the only skilled work he could find.

"Look at what he has done for Gujarat, there's hardly any unemployment in the state," said Khan. Kasba Bonli's 18,000 people are about half Muslim and half Hindu.


Four banks, 15 private schools, and one private college have sprouted up in the town since 2008, said Ramkishan Gurjar, head of the village council that governs Kasba Bonli. Motorcycle and tractor showrooms have come up over the past three years.

Many local farmers now clutch mobile phones they use to chat to traders about crop prices. Roads have been built to a dozen surrounding villages, helping bring crops quickly to market and consumer goods flowing the other way.

It's a pattern repeated across the country, with swollen villages becoming small towns, creating a demographic group of relatively better off semi-urban voters that barely existed a decade ago, social scientists and politicians say.

Rural consumer spending grew by 36 percent, higher than the 33 percent rise in urban areas, between 2009 and 2012, according to government data.

A national census in 2011 found that 14 percent of India's urban population of about 400 million lived in these towns, double that of a decade earlier. Boston Consulting Group calculates 24 percent of Indian households are now found in small towns.

MAKING HEADWAY

Modi has directly addressed this demographic shift, catering speeches to the new constituency and promising urban amenities such as around-the-clock electricity and broadband internet connections to communities similar to Kasba Bonli.

Opinion polls suggest he is making headway. In a recent Nielsen survey of two largely rural states, Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, that contain a quarter of India's population, Modi emerged as the most popular candidate for prime minister.

In Rajasthan, the state in which Kasba Bonli lies, the Congress and the BJP are neck and neck in the villages with support from 46 percent of voters each, according to a July poll by the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies (CSDS), a think-tank.

However, in towns of less than 100,000 people, which fall under the semi-urban category, BJP scored 56 percent to Congress's 40 percent.

India electoral mathematics is complicated, taking in local issues as well as caste and religion, making it hard to forecast results. But Rajasthan and four other states hold provincial elections over the next month, which will provide a pointer to how far Modi's popularity extends and how Congress may fare in the national election.

"If you look at people in the (semi-urban) category, they have benefited from education and reservation policies for lower castes. But increasingly our surveys show that, as people get more educated and affluent, the possibility of them voting for the BJP is much higher," said Sanjay Lodha, who co-ordinates CSDS' polls in Rajasthan.

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Postby sudarshan » 11 Nov 2013 06:26

vivek.rao wrote:Image

People Attending #HaryanaShaktiRally were Given LiquorBottles @KanchanGupta @DrShobha Delhi #BJP4Delhi @KiranKS #NaMo pic.twitter.com/2Y9nl6Cxx5


Missed the punchline it seems. They were given liquor and TOLD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO A MODI RALLY. Unless my Hindi is a lot worse than I think it is.

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Postby Sushupti » 11 Nov 2013 07:56

Here is a secular educated M, no different from frothing in the mouth Mullah.

UPA to spend more on scholarships for minorities

Zoya Hassan, a professor of Political Science in Jawaharlal Nehru University in an recent article said: “The Muslim vote bank thesis has gained a fresh lease of life due to the Narendra Modi phenomenon. In the 2014 polls, Muslims will put out all stops to block Modi from reaching 7 Race Course Road (the PM’s residence)”.


http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/ ... 49601.aspx

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Postby Rahul Mehta » 11 Nov 2013 08:00

Dear All,

NaMo used to put transcripts of his speeches at http://narendramodi.in/speeches/ . But since 1-oct-2013, ever since he made landmark Sb4D statement, NaMo has ordered his staff NOT to put transcripts there. I checked just 1 minute back, and last speech was 26-sep-2013 . IMO you all must ask NaMo to put FULL text of his transcripts in at least Hindi, English and also in other languages. Even a small person like me gives all proposals in writings before making YT video. People like me smell CT when a person only makes videos and doesnt give anything in writing. Because people avoid giving statements they speak in writing because they want to evade cross-checks.

Now I am looking for speech where NaMo said that when he becomes PM , black dollars of Indians in foreign banks shall arrive in India and every Indian will get 2 lakh rupees !! :eek: :shock: . Can anyone give me youtube link and hour:minute when he made this statement? Or does anyone know what was his exact statement?

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There is tons of black wealth in India hoarded in plots and mineral mines, and 90% of which can be unearthed in 4 months by merely printing 30-40 pages of law-drafts in Gazettes , see chap-14 , chap-25, chap-5 of http://rahulmehta.com/301.htm . But apparently no one wants to reduce this easy problem of unearthing black wealth hoarded in plots and mineral-mies. And people seem to be too eager to get black dollars hidden in Switzerland/Mauritius, as if it is "take the early morning flight to Switzerland , then from there go to Mauritius in afternoon , and come back next day morning with suitcases containing 4 trillion dollars" !!

Anyway, I will wait till a NaMo-bhagat shows me courage to write give me links to EXACT statement made by NaMo.

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Postby niran » 11 Nov 2013 08:00

Muppalla wrote:Where do you get this number? I don't even think they have any chance to get such a number. 200 is super-duper max they can go. If they make right coalition partner across nation that includes BJD, Mamta then can get NDA to 300+ when INC gets a drubbing to 96. In addition, when congress goes less than 96, post poll BJP kitty will grow due to realignment of forces.

Saarzee, i have clarified before and will say it again, these are from fly on the wall or roaches under the rugs report, you will not find
any proofs whatsoever, then to answer the next logical question why me? see saarzee moi comes from a political savvy(most charitable word :mrgreen: ) family spread over 78 constituencies in the Cow belt have stood and contested election from each and every party (family members not me)
as you must surely know in every election 20% contestant are moolah provider suckers, which means these people try and buy tikits
using their moolah and parties let them and make them contest from seats considered lost, but a political savvy family have to avoid that and have to ascertain the reality hence there has to be a way to the real happenings in the corridors of parties, not depending upon hearsay or media say or opinion polls onree asli happenstance.


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