Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby chetak » 09 Dec 2013 04:59

Sonia Gandhi not to celebrate her b'day on Dec 9

Congress president Sonia Gandhi, who turns 66 on Friday, will not be celebrating her birthday this time also to "avoid inconvenience to people".

Like last year, keeping in view of the inconvenience caused to people, Gandhi has appealed to the party workers not to come to Delhi on her birthday, party general secretary Janardan Dwivedi said on Wednesday.

She is concerned that people take a lot of trouble and spend money to come to Delhi from far off places to greet her, he said.

Despite the appeal, party workers had last year gathered at her 10 Janpath residence early morning beating drums and taking out processions to celebrate her birthday.

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Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 05:15

sheesh! who cares?

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Postby sudarshan » 09 Dec 2013 05:31

SaiK wrote:you did not get the idea.. the very mention of modi dynasty is to suppress the real dynasty rulings.. modi is one man army, and can never be realistically a dynasty basis politics.. unless, his son/daughter comes in.. sope, take it with that sea salt.

just spread the word.. modi dynasty, and see how soga and raga react. ;)


OK, sorry if I misunderstood. Didn't realize you were talking psy-ops.

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Postby Karan M » 09 Dec 2013 06:07

Suraj wrote:A fascinating thing I've seen in the western press is that the BJP is often no longer called the Hindu-nationalist party. Instead they're often introduced as the pro business Hindu nationalist party. The calibrated change in use of language is most interesting.


the hindu nationalist tag was developed as a pejorative (and it worked) as psyops for the western audience and indian elite, to contrast the primeval, religion obsessed, parochial BJP vs the secular, sophisticated, civilized INC. the tag was popularized by left leaning MSM journos in India and abroad who clearly collaborated - given how rapidly it was spread. folks like manoj joshi, rahul bedi were part of the group who used this tag as a standard.
things will change when the average indian revels in the tag, and the west realizes its a proud mark of identity.

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Postby darshhan » 09 Dec 2013 06:59

Mahendra wrote:This scam admi party needs to be sorted out asap, they are eating into BJP votes

A frontal attack by Modiji exposing Haji Kejriwal is the need of the hour


Mahendra ji, The reverse is required. It is Kejriwal who should launch a frontal attack on Namo. Let us see if he has guts to do so or not.

Kejriwal needs to be provoked into launching an attack on Namo.

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Postby niran » 09 Dec 2013 07:15

Mahendra wrote:This scam admi party needs to be sorted out asap, they are eating into BJP votes

A frontal attack by Modiji exposing Haji Kejriwal is the need of the hour

fikar not Saar, NaMo need not do anything, kejriwal and his coterie are already digging their own graves with chants
of "ab ki baar sheela ko agli bar Modi ko" there are onree 120 days left before LS election (if all goes well of course)
and if AAp suddenely displays the resources to fight GE they will be negating themselves
in Dilli it seems the Bihari/BD migrants of around two million voters in the inner city voted AAp. onree UP migrants held their
sanity and voted en-block BJP the rest of the votes came from Bania and Punjabi voters. and you will not find BD/Bihari
all over India.

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Postby Singha » 09 Dec 2013 07:17

AAP should be allowed to rule delhi and try to get rid of corruption. slogan shouting is easier than devising a effective admin framework to reduce corruption.
and some Judge Dredd type Lokpal isnt the soln.

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Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 07:19

so aap can throw both bjp and jd in bihar?

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Postby Prem » 09 Dec 2013 07:39

SaiK wrote:sheesh! who cares?

Tum Jiyo Hajaro Saal, Saal ka Har din Ho Electionionally Kaamal!

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Postby Prem » 09 Dec 2013 07:40

Do UPA now dissolve the Parliamnet and call for early Election in Feb?

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Postby ramana » 09 Dec 2013 07:44

Singha wrote:AAP should be allowed to rule delhi and try to get rid of corruption. slogan shouting is easier than devising a effective admin framework to reduce corruption.
and some Judge Dredd type Lokpal isnt the soln.


GD, The largest number party is called to form the govt. AAP is not the largest party.

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Postby ramana » 09 Dec 2013 07:44

Jhujar, No they will hang on till last allowed day and keep looting.

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Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 07:58

plus they have to begin the process of preserving all the so far done loots as well.. erase certain files, transactions, hide facts, etc..

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Postby habal » 09 Dec 2013 08:05

RajeshA wrote:Conspiracy Theory

I'm trying to get an air-balloon vantage point view of what's going on.

Today was my day to cook! So while I was peeling onions, I had a moment of clarity on the political going-ons in India.

...


I like your thinking process, you need to peel more onions.

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Postby Shanmukh » 09 Dec 2013 08:15

Singha wrote:AAP should be allowed to rule delhi and try to get rid of corruption. slogan shouting is easier than devising a effective admin framework to reduce corruption.
and some Judge Dredd type Lokpal isnt the soln.


I don't mind that, but not yet. For a simple reason. If there is going to be re-election in Delhi, they will be forced to deploy their resources there, and there is no chance of them going all over the country to sabotage BJP. In fact, the Delhi BJP, now that they have put their house in order, should begin actively undermining the AAP in their strongholds in Delhi, so they are forced to shore up their existing holds, rather than be free to expand elsewhere. By the way, here one would be well advised to take the help of people like Sushma Swaraj, Vijay Goel, Vijay Kumar Goel and Vijender Gupta - who are extremely smart politically, and can find ways to exploit the weaknesses of the AAP.

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Postby niran » 09 Dec 2013 08:20

nageshks wrote:here one would be well advised to take the help of people like Sushma Swaraj, Vijay Goel, Vijay Kumar Goel and Vijender Gupta - who are extremely smart politically, and can find ways to exploit the weaknesses of the AAP.

add Netas from BJP Bihar Unit, they have been lacking and you see the result, a trishanku assembly.

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Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 08:28

do dillites even know what aap promised them? did they have a manifesto?

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Postby niran » 09 Dec 2013 08:30

SaiK wrote:do dillites even know what aap promised them? did they have a manifesto?

free bijjili free paani, free mobile calls, free onion. :mrgreen:

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Postby Singha » 09 Dec 2013 08:46

^ that sounds realistic :mrgreen:

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Postby Prem » 09 Dec 2013 08:49

Meket gives ThumUp by few percentage.

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Postby sudarshan » 09 Dec 2013 08:50

If that's true, they should definitely get a chance to try and implement the manifesto.

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Postby nachiket » 09 Dec 2013 08:55

Singha wrote:^ that sounds realistic :mrgreen:

AAP needs to win the re-elections and form the government. Only then will those who voted for them understand how ridiculous their promises are. They should ideally understand this just by looking at what they are promising, but alas our electorate still gets swayed whenever anyone promises free stuff. They need to experience the disappointment that is sure to follow if AAP actually tries running the admin.

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Postby Shanmukh » 09 Dec 2013 08:59

Folks - based on yesterday's Delhi polls, I threw together an awk script to check votes of the different parties in the 7 Lok Sabha constituencies in New Delhi. I just wanted to see what yesterday's poll means for the BJP in the coming Lok Sabha elections. If things remain as they are, the BJP should win 5 of the 7 Lok Sabha constituencies (North East Delhi, East Delhi, North West Delhi, West Delhi, and South Delhi) without too much trouble. It will have a very hard fight in one constituency (Chandni Chowk), and will lose one constituency to the AAP (New Delhi). My analyses for the 7 seats are below:

Chandni Chowk – This inner city constituency is going to feature a very hard fight. The BJP and AAP votes are almost at par (AAP has about 5K votes more), while the Congress is about 50K votes behind. If things stay this way, the BJP will have to sweat it out for a victory.

North East Delhi – BJP has about 70K votes more than Congress and AAP both. This one should not pose too many problems for the BJP.

East Delhi – BJP has about 50K more than AAP and 40K more than Congress. May become a problem, if the BJP lets grass grow under its feet.

New Delhi – The only seat where the AAP has considerably more votes than the BJP. But even here, the BJP is about 40K votes behind the AAP, and about 80K votes more than the Congress. This one may prove troublesome for the BJP.

North West Delhi - BJP has about 150K votes more than AAP, and about 200K more than the Congress. This should remain safely in the BJP hands.

West Delhi – BJP has about 70K votes more than the AAP and about 130K votes more than the Congress. This one should not pose too many problems for the BJP.

South Delhi – BJP has about 45K votes more than the AAP and about 100K votes more than the Congress. This one may become problematic if the BJP is not aggressive in retaining and expanding its votebanks.

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Postby Muppalla » 09 Dec 2013 09:15

New Delhi is a very difficult BJP seat and it was always like that. During the peak of RJB, Advani won against Rajesh Khanna by just 900 votes. After that he permanently shifted to Gandhinagar.

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Postby Rahul M » 09 Dec 2013 09:22

Rudradev wrote:
Rahul M wrote:shouldn't use modi to attack AAP. would make him look weak and give gravity to AAP. blood some young leaders and make this their wholetime job with endorsement and fire-support provided by senior bjp leaders, including modi from twitter.


Exactly. Game of Thrones analogy (from the books, which are an excellent study of political maneuvering, and far better than the dumbed down TV series):

Sonia & Rahul Gandhi: Cersei & Joffrey Lannister
Modi: Stannis Baratheon
Kejriwal: Renly Baratheon

Stannis & Renly both opposed the Lannisters, currently in power. But Stannis first attacked Renly, a rival claimant to the throne, resulting in disaster for both their alliances and ultimate Lannister victory.

someone has been on these lines before. ;)
from 2011
http://greatbong.net/2011/08/06/the-boy ... eat-sword/

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Postby Vamsee » 09 Dec 2013 10:08

hi nageshks,
Can you tweet it? or is it ok if i tweet them ack. you?
=====================
tweeted those numbers with ack.

Regards,
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Postby Arjun » 09 Dec 2013 10:13

The emergence of AAP is a very positive development for the long-term, but maybe not for the short-term for India.

The positive would be if it can replace the Congress as the leftist alternative in Indian politics. We would then land up with a non-dynastic, more indigenous and more idealistic version of the Congress - which is definitely all to the good !

In the short-term though - for India's immediate development, it is critical that India swing to the right both from an economic and social standpoint. The UPA government over the last 10 years had taken the country too far to the left on these matters, directly affecting the country's development and future. This needs to be rectified - and the AAP obviously cannot deliver on the immediate swing to the right that the country needs.

It would be good if Modi and Kejriwal come to an understanding that Congress-Mukt Bharat is what the country desperately needs today. Kejriwal should concentrate on Delhi alone and back the BJP in its Congress-Mukt Bharat scheme in the rest of India, in 2014. In return, once Modi is in power - he should give support to the AAP to emerge as the pan-India leftist alternative post the decimation of Congress.

If Kejriwal agrees to this - I think there is scope for optimizing India's development both from a short-term and long-term perspective.

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Postby Shanmukh » 09 Dec 2013 10:15

Vamsee wrote:hi nageshks,
Can you tweet it? or is it ok if i tweet them ack. you?

Regards,
Vamsee


Will tweet it. Thanks for the suggestion. By the way, I do not mind if you tweet it as well. It would be a good idea for both of us to tweet it. Twitter ID is maidros78.
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Postby Vamsee » 09 Dec 2013 10:24

I tweeted it. What is your twitter id? I will link you.

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Postby Singha » 09 Dec 2013 10:31

wise thoughts Arjun-ji......its kind of fruitless for the BJP to spend cycles hunting a agile / guerilla outfit like the AAP who can pick and choose their engagements when the much bigger congi threat is present nationwide.

would be wise for kejriwal to come to an understanding against the bigger problem and secure his future as a future national leader.

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Postby muraliravi » 09 Dec 2013 10:37

Arjun wrote:The emergence of AAP is a very positive development for the long-term, but maybe not for the short-term for India.

The positive would be if it can replace the Congress as the leftist alternative in Indian politics. We would then land up with a non-dynastic, more indigenous and more idealistic version of the Congress - which is definitely all to the good !

In the short-term though - for India's immediate development, it is critical that India swing to the right both from an economic and social standpoint. The UPA government over the last 10 years had taken the country too far to the left on these matters, directly affecting the country's development and future. This needs to be rectified - and the AAP obviously cannot deliver on the immediate swing to the right that the country needs.

It would be good if Modi and Kejriwal come to an understanding that Congress-Mukt Bharat is what the country desperately needs today. Kejriwal should concentrate on Delhi alone and back the BJP in its Congress-Mukt Bharat scheme in the rest of India, in 2014. In return, once Modi is in power - he should give support to the AAP to emerge as the pan-India leftist alternative post the decimation of Congress.

If Kejriwal agrees to this - I think there is scope for optimizing India's development both from a short-term and long-term perspective.


Khujliwal is even worse than congress. At least in congress there are still some remnants of pro-india, pro-right economics, pro-national interest. AAP from scratch is a Anti-India, Full fledged entitlement based type economics, Hard core maoist type leftist party. Sooner this party disappears from the electoral scene, the better for the country.

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Postby nachiket » 09 Dec 2013 10:39

muraliravi wrote:Khujliwal is even worse than congress. At least in congress there are still some remnants of pro-india, pro-right economics, pro-national interest. AAP from scratch is a Anti-India, Full fledged entitlement based type economics, Hard core maoist type leftist party. Sooner this party disappears from the electoral scene, the better for the country.

Best way to accomplish that is to let them rule Delhi and make a complete pig's breakfast of it, which they will certainly do. If they try to implement their promises of free bijli and paani, disaster will ensue in short order.
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Postby Shanmukh » 09 Dec 2013 10:39

Was just looking through the results of Rajasthan. The last time, the two people mainly responsible for the BJP's defeat were Col. Kirori Singh Bainsla and Dr. Kirori Lal Meena. This time, Kirori Lal Meena was defeated by Rajkumari Diya Kumari (the girl has something of the legendary Gayathri Devi's looks) in his own home constituency in Sawai Madhopur. Kirori Singh Bainsla jumped to the Congress and appealed fervently to everyone in his community to vote for the Congress. The result? The two Gujjar ministers from the Congress were routed and all the Gujjar candidates from the BJP won. Seems a fitting end for the two casteist leaders, who, at election times, were used to rising from their tar pits like something from an old horror movie.

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Postby Arjun » 09 Dec 2013 10:42

muraliravi wrote:Khujliwal is even worse than congress. At least in congress there are still some remnants of pro-india, pro-right economics, pro-national interest. AAP from scratch is a Anti-India, Full fledged entitlement based type economics, Hard core maoist type leftist party. Sooner this party disappears from the electoral scene, the better for the country.

Yes, we need to understand better what the AAP's views on Kashmir, Naxalism and a few other issues are. My post is based on the assumption that these views are not worse than those of the Congress. But, if that is not the case, then AAP needs to be dispatched out.

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Postby Singha » 09 Dec 2013 10:43

^^ the last pro-india elements of the INC are nearing retirement now and belong to IG generation..people like pranabda & arun singh perhaps...some have passed away (kc pant?). the newbie crop are really bad....

meantime.
New Delhi: A day after the humiliating defeat of the Congress in the four states - Madhya Pradesh, Chhattisgarh, Delhi and Rajasthan - the party is facing sharp criticism from its ally Sharad Pawar of the Nationalist Congress Party.

In his blog post, Pawar lashed out at Congress saying that the reason behind Congress's failure is not having a strong and decisive leader. Pawar said the people will not accept weak leaders and the anger of the youth is evident as they didn't vote for the Congress. He added that the Congress and its allies need to introspect on the drubbing it received in the four states.

He also hit out at the Aam Aadmi Party, which swept Congress's votes in Delhi, saying that Arvind Kejriwal's party made false promises and he wished that they would have got majority as he wanted to see its performance.

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Postby Shanmukh » 09 Dec 2013 10:44

muraliravi wrote:Khujliwal is even worse than congress. At least in congress there are still some remnants of pro-india, pro-right economics, pro-national interest. AAP from scratch is a Anti-India, Full fledged entitlement based type economics, Hard core maoist type leftist party. Sooner this party disappears from the electoral scene, the better for the country.


+1 MuraliRavi-ji. Anyone who has any illusions about Khujliwal and his AAP should just listen to what Prashant Bhushan thinks. The guy makes Arundhati Roy look positively patriotic. Khujliwal's rise is probably one of the worst things to happen in recent history, and their hyper slick campaign is in stark contrast to their supposed idealism. They need to be unmasked and fast, so that the disillusionment for their followers will be quick and hopefully, less painful.

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Postby Pranav » 09 Dec 2013 10:56

RajeshA wrote:The whole #7M_CONgress alliance of Mullahs, Missionaries, Maoists, Macaulayites, Media, MNCs and Mafia can all go to safety using AAP. Dumping the dynasty and its close coterie may be a small price to pay.


BJP could easily get cheap popularity by supporting Jan-Lokpal. But they have taken upon themselves the noble task of fighting it. Surely BJP will be willing to sacrifice power and to go down fighting against Jan-Lokpal.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 09 Dec 2013 11:03

2014 polls: BJP seeks to leverage its success in 4 states that account for 72 LS seats to garner 272 seats in 2014 polls

Together, the four states account for 72 Lok Sabha seats and the BJP would now try to leverage its success in the Assembly elections to garner the magical 272 seats when the country goes to polls for the 2014 general elections. The big question is whether the BJP will be able to maintain this momentum till May next year.


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O yes. The momentum Q is there all right... Time NM focused on hitherto ignored areas - MH, Odisha, JH, UKD, KT and yes, KL and TN as well. (No, don't even want to mention my home state of AP... sux way too badly, that one).

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 11:05

instead of body paintings, they should make money by t-shirts.. and divert the money for charity works


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