Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby Rahul M » 09 Dec 2013 18:40

well, frankly I don't know. I do know idiots who could think up of such a thing as 'supporting modi'.
thing is, if it's not bjp's then they should come out in the open and train guns on the people who are claiming so.

Gus, it starts off as hindus wake up etc. the gist is vote for the person who freed gujarat from terrorism of katuas (or the cut-ones an offensive term for muslims) to do the same in delhi.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby vishvak » 09 Dec 2013 18:40

Most important things to do now are:
1) movement of deshabhakta demographics onto Ganga valley - even if voting isn't possible the next election. This can include winning/losing groups from Rajasthaan, MP etc ie Gehlot group or Sindhiya faction who didn't win this election in MP. This has to be all the way including Bengal. It can be a faction of Shiv Sena from Mahaaraashtra as well.
2) Keep everyone and all groups/factions, including defense personnel, informed about selective nature of 'communal' violence bill; most ironically equality-preaching leftist ideas used as mask by pseudo leftists to form such a behavior as legitimate.
3) In case of arbitrary question marks(on progress in Indian style) or massiah like behavior to behave selectively, there should be total support to law and order as part of democracy mandate. Power centers of any kind from outside that affect discourse in India - including ones in neighborhood near and far - should be and must be targeted - ready for missile lock and fire.
4) Diplomatic offensive and defensive maneuvers be practiced for smooth diplomatic behavior as nuclear armed country.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Lilo » 09 Dec 2013 18:41

Why phor the IED MahulR ji , unless you also mention the expectedly(reputable) source tweeting this?
Even a kid with a printer and A4 size color paper can print such a phamplet to circulate its photu on teetar. Not even his parents will know.

For example see the number of Pakis on teetar moving about with yindoo names and yindoo avatar to attempt their chota mota psyops on the unsuspecting.

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Postby Rahul M » 09 Dec 2013 18:49

because it doesn't matter if bjp did this or not. if they don't deny and better yet condemn/attack such attempts they as good as did it.

in today's world perception is reality remember ?

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby IndraD » 09 Dec 2013 19:00

what about allegations of evm manipulation now, some members have been making? Is it possible it was not used in assembly election but will be in 2014?

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Postby kapilrdave » 09 Dec 2013 19:14

IndraD wrote:what about allegations of evm manipulation now, some members have been making? Is it possible it was not used in assembly election but will be in 2014?

Yes. Have no doubt that it will be used in 2014 GE. And if they are not used in 2014 that will be because of sinking economy in which cong doesn't want to come to power. Then they will use in 2019 when economy is kicking. No pun intended.

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Postby Victor » 09 Dec 2013 19:16

archan wrote:If it is not too much work, can someone compile evidence on these:
Cons of Fordriwal:
Supports Kashmir Independence.
Naxal Sympathiser.
Supports muslim appeasement.
Supports B-dheshi illegal immigration.
Dubious funding by foreign orgs.


Let's not forget the sting which caught AAP's Shazia Ilmi accepting a bribe with a promise to take care of the bribe-giver's opponent. And Anna's charge that he misused funds for politicking.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 20:08

I can't understand the DDM quoting like only one man can save India - AK etc.. not even modi alone or AK alone any one alone can save India.

It is a joint ownership that wins.. and which is exactly what modi is professing .. and even his own men has troubles understanding.
It is exactly what will win.. and not Modi. internet indoos main job is to demolish this raja-praja model to joint ownership and chain of responsibility setup.

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Postby RoyG » 09 Dec 2013 20:10

digvijaya singh ‏@digvijaya_28 13h
Congratulations to Dr Raman Singh Shivraj Chauhan and Vasundhra Scindhia. It is their victory. Don't allow someone else to take the credit.

Amaresh Misra
‏@AmareshMisra
@digvijaya_28 Secret out about your meetings with Ram Laal, RSS Pracharak in charge of Chattisgarh elections. Why back stab Sonia Gandhi?

https://twitter.com/AmareshMisra/status ... 5230744577


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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Rahul M » 09 Dec 2013 20:14

SaiK wrote:I can't understand the DDM quoting like only one man can save India - AK etc.. not even modi alone or AK alone any one alone can save India.

It is a joint ownership that wins.. and which is exactly what modi is professing .. and even his own men has troubles understanding.
It is exactly what will win.. and not Modi. internet indoos main job is to demolish this raja-praja model to joint ownership and chain of responsibility setup.

you don't get it. only AK can save (DDM). they are not talking about saving India, as if they care about that.
they know if modi comes to power their goose is cooked. outlook's vinod mehta said as much openly. now cong seems helpless to do anything about it. hence this fervent praying that #hajratkejriwal the mahdi delivers them from the wrath of modi.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Ashok Sarraff » 09 Dec 2013 20:15

I am not sure why everyone is saying that AAP hurt Congress more than BJP. In my opinion (only an opinion), if not for AAP, BJP would have got a significant majority given the huge public anger against it. Imagine who Delhi-ites would have voted for if AAP had not been in the fray? BJP, enabling it to trounce congress like it did in Rajasthan and M.P.

AAP's primary objective was to split anti-congress vote, which it did to a large extent. The unintended consequence is that it attracted some congress votes too.

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Postby RoyG » 09 Dec 2013 20:18

Rahulji,

Congress is like a pyramid scheme. Those at the bottom always get suckered while those at the top manage to go scott free, at least for a while. All these media guys got so high off the cash they were getting from the gov that they lost sight of the possibility of Modi becoming PM.

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Postby anmol » 09 Dec 2013 20:19

www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2013/12/election-results-india

Election results in India
by A.R., economist.com
December 8th 2013 7:47 PM

[..]
First, the outright good news for the BJP. The opposition expected to dislodge Congress from running Rajasthan, spurred by voters’ historical fondness for kicking out the incumbent. Some analysts had wondered whether Congress’s belated efforts to roll out welfare schemes in the state might have helped to protect against too bad a mauling. They did nothing of the sort. In fact the BJP proved extraordinarily successful. By Sunday evening the BJP had won in 162 seats out of a total of 200, to a dreadfully low tally of 21 for Congress.

Next door in BJP-run Madhya Pradesh, the margin of victory was similarly hefty. The state’s chief minister, Shivraj Singh Chouhan, is a moderate, centrist figure whom some suggest could one day lead the BJP nationally, if there were ever a vacancy. His state’s development record is strong, and his electoral record is similarly impressive. Having completed almost two terms, he is now set for a third, with the party ahead in 164 seats to just 59 for Congress, out of a total of 230.

Nearby in Delhi the BJP would have romped to power easily, too, as support for Congress collapsed to a humiliatingly low level. Congress and its chief minister, Sheila Dikshit, had been in charge of the national capital region (in effect a state) since 1998, but they managed to win just eight seats (out of 70), far behind the BJP’s 31 seats. The wrinkle for the BJP: a brand-new anti-graft movement, the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP), formed a year ago, has made an astonishingly successful breakthrough, winning in 28 constituencies, including one that forced the defeat of Mrs Dikshit. For Arvind Kejriwal, who leads the AAP, this success will encourage his dream of taking the party national in time for the general election. And it confirms that urban, educated voters are sick of the corruption and complacency associated with Congress. As for who will run the show in Delhi’s state government, much looks uncertain. Possibly Congress would want to back an AAP administration, to keep out the BJP, but the AAP has indicated that it would refuse its support, preferring to sit in opposition and await the next elections.

The fourth state, Chhattisgarh, also brought victory for the incumbent BJP, though not overwhelmingly. The BJP’s 49 seats to Congress’s 39 (from a total of 90) leaves no doubt that the BJP will rule, but it raises questions about what voters want. Chhattisgarh’s two-term chief minister, Raman Singh, will presumably get back into office. But his strategy of seeking popularity by improving state distribution of government food rations—an approach more often associated with Congress—did not bring huge voter enthusiasm. Just possibly, too, Congress got a boost in response to an attack by Maoist insurgents in May that killed 29 people, most of the leadership of the party in the state.

[..] That aside, three related questions now loom: do the state elections offer useful guidance to the national vote that is coming? Do they offer information about what motivates India’s voters? And is it now more likely that Narendra Modi, the BJP’s leader, will be India’s next prime minister?

The answer in each case is yes. State elections are far from simple guides to the national mood. Famously the BJP did well in the same set of state polls in 2003 when it was in power nationally. Then its prime minister, Atal Bihari Vajpayee, felt emboldened enough to call a general election six months early, in 2004, which the BJP went on to lose. The national defeat had much to do with the BJP’s mistakes in dealing with coalition partners, which could be a problem again in 2014.

Nonetheless as a measure of public disgust with Congress, among states that collectively are home to some 185m people, the latest election results suggest a strong urge to kick out the government of Manmohan Singh. The Congress strategy, of promoting a rights-based approach to welfare—with schemes to deliver rations of grains to two-thirds of Indians, or a guarantee of low-paid rural work for poorer households, for example—appears to have little or no traction. Given an economy that is growing at less than 5% a year, and which failed to create many jobs even when it raced at nearly 10%, voters are in a surly mood. Nobody looks at all impressed by Rahul Gandhi, Congress’s scion and emerging new leader. In one rally in Delhi, even Congress members streamed away from the venue as the young leader gave a lacklustre speech. He may struggle to assert his authority among party colleagues who have witnessed him preside over a string of election defeats in various states.

For voters’ intentions, it is difficult to distinguish local worries from national ones. But voters’ behaviour in Delhi, for example, could prove relevant for other cities. Urban, wealthier, better-educated voters look entirely disenchanted with Congress, disgusted by corruption and scandal, and also by the indecision and weak leadership of the government and party. The tremendous success of Mr Kejriwal’s AAP, which demands cleaner rule along with some populist measures, such as cheaper electricity, suggests younger voters are ready to drop the traditional loyalties of older generations. The AAP has no basis in identity politics, meaning it does not promote the interests of any particular caste, religion or social group, though it is broadly from an anti-graft movement that was predominantly urban and middle class. It promotes a set of values, notably against corruption, that could trouble the BJP as well as Congress. Many in India’s growing urban areas—plus those in rural spots with television, mobile phones and family members who work in cities—will relish the chance to kick out the most obviously corrupt of whatever party.

Last, the results give a tremendous boost to Mr Modi, the BJP’s candidate to be prime minister. He was active in much of the BJP campaigning in the four states, and probably helped to lift turnout, enthusiasm and attendance at rallies. Given public frustration with the mild leadership of the sitting prime minister, a strongman like Mr Modi makes an appealing contrast. He has been able to personalise the electoral campaign, with his supporters donning Modi facemasks, and an army of online followers avidly promoting him as if India were set to hold a presidential election, not a parliamentary one. He is sure to claim credit for the BJP’s success, seeking strong momentum for the national polls next year.


In particular, the rush of success for the BJP under Mr Modi suggests that many Indian voters do not consider him to be toxic as a leader, despite his role as chief minister in allowing massacres in Gujarat, early in 2002, when more than 1,000 people died, most of them Muslims. He will argue that voters—well beyond Gujarat—are unconcerned about any past record of communal violence, and are untroubled by his reputation as a Hindutva (Hindu-nationalist) leader. Instead they appear swept up by a message that India can develop its economy faster, and so meet the aspirations of voters quicker, under him than under Congress. Expect to hear much more about that in the coming five months.


(Picture credit: AFP)

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SwamyG » 09 Dec 2013 21:02

I caught part of the discussion, on Headlines Today. Rahul Kanwal and another individual (beard and glasses) were interviewing Digvijay Singh. Who was Rahul's partner? Both Rahul and him were so anxious/desperate on Congress failing. They almost wanted Rahul Gandhi to be thrown out. Digvijay batting for Rahul G, said politics is not a sprint, and it is a long distance run in laps. To that, the bearded/glassed guy countered "But one cannot take 10 years to run a lap" (or something to that effect). Wow. They just threw Rahul Gandhi under the bus.

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Postby member_20317 » 09 Dec 2013 21:03

Gus wrote:translate pliss


Rough translation would be:

Code: Select all

Hindus awaken - the Desh will win

Appeal

Namaskar,

We appeal to all Hindu Brothers that on coming December 4, 2013 all the hindu brothers make BJP win by heavy margin and give an example of hindu ekta.
Ensure defeat of these kat_as (slang for perpuceless) to put them in their place. The way Guj. has cut up  the unity of these K., in the same manner delhi should too.

Then there is a lot of Hindu Rashtra and Narendra Modi and BJP doing this and that to Muslims.


I wonder how many BJP and NaMo-only supporters identify with this. :lol:

Did not translate further because its not worth it. Idea being to only give you an idea. Now you owe me some lead in Tamil too.

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Postby RajeshA » 09 Dec 2013 21:23

My new blog post: Aam Aadmi Party – The other bank

Mainstream Media in Delhi knows how to give coverage to its heroes. It is end to end, early morning to midnight, full coverage to the media darling Arvind Kejriwal.

In order to explain what Aam Aadmi Party is, let’s take two examples.

Let’s say a wealthy family owns a big bank. The bank has been stealing people’s money for a long time, and this time the people are so angry, they are willing to break down the gates of the bank and rob it and then burn it down. Now the wealthy family knows its time is limited, what would they do. They would set up a new bank on the sly and transfer all its assets over there. Then they let the wrath of the people fall on the empty bank building, who tear it down and feel the satisfaction of doing so. The people also cheer the success of the new bank which often criticized the practices and attitude of the old bank.

So what happened? A successful transfer of bank assets is what happened.

Or one can take another example. Let’s say there is a kingdom with a Queen and her people are very angry with her. She knows that one of these days the people would just ransack the castle and behead her. If somebody comes to save her, they would tear him down as well. So she sets up a new kingdom some distance away with a castle and everything. Then she orders the army of the new kingdom to attack her present castle, to apparently rob it, ransack it and take her captive and with the booty and the Queen leave for the new kingdom. The people cheer on the army of a different kingdom finishing off the evil Queen.

So what happened? A successful transfer of the treasury is what happened.

And that is all there is to understand about the Aam Aadmi Party. Sonia Gandhi and her foreign partners own Aam Aadmi Party. Arvind Kejriwal is simply the bank manager of the family’s new bank to which all its political assets would be transferred – vote banks, political friends, goodwill, external network, media loyalties, etc. In 2009 Congress won the vote of the urban middle class mostly based on the goodwill for Dr. Manmohan Singh and his role in concluding the Indo-US nuclear deal. In Delhi Elections, Congress has succeeded in transferring much of this middle class vote over to AAP. Sonia Gandhi’s bank manager Arvind Kejriwal has shown the capability to successfully hoodwink the public to think it is a different bank standing in competition to Sonia Gandhi’s Congress bank. Those backroom media handlers who worked for Congress now work for AAP, which is manpower transfer.

Now taking the other analogy, Arvind Kejriwal has played the role of the captain of the army of the second kingdom, who has apparently declared war on the castle of the Queen, come and robbed her of the assembly seats she possessed earlier. And as we know, Arvind Kejriwal has also started “plundering” Congress’s other vote-bank – the Muslim vote-bank. Again a successful transfer, a transfer of power from Congress to AAP.

The Queen does not want to live in the old castle. People, including the Queen, have been defecating in it for so long it stinks all around. Congress stinks and Queen Sonia knows it all too well but her ministers would not let her go out. Arvind Kejriwal is a means to exit for her.

Arvind Kejriwal’s AAP is not Congress’s B Team which is the conspiracy people usually fall for. AAP is Sonia Gandhi’s other kingdom, and she is willing to let her Congress house burn up and crumble, as long as the transfer to new pastures is successful and no constable would come and arrest her for her misdeeds.

As far as Congress Mukt Bharat is concerned, Narendra Modi and Sonia Gandhi’s dream are the same, except that Narendra Modi does not just want to finish off the carcass of a Congress, but to finish off the whole Congress culture and gravy train, and make people pay.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Altair » 09 Dec 2013 21:34

RoyG wrote:Rahulji,

Congress is like a pyramid scheme. Those at the bottom always get suckered while those at the top manage to go scott free, at least for a while. All these media guys got so high off the cash they were getting from the gov that they lost sight of the possibility of Modi becoming PM.


Absolutely right. Our only problem is we have not yet identified who sits atop Sonia. I am for certain she is not at the top. She has too many skeletons to not be blackmailed by someone.

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Postby CRamS » 09 Dec 2013 21:44

Cross posting from elections thread

Guys, more is more on the Economist rag and Modi:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2 ... ults-india

And this is how the low lives look at Modi


In particular, the rush of success for the BJP under Mr Modi suggests that many Indian voters do not consider him to be toxic as a leader, despite his role as chief minister in allowing massacres in Gujarat, early in 2002, when more than 1,000 people died, most of them Muslims.



I know some on BR know some BJP big wigs like Meenakshi RekhiJi and others. Kindly pass this Economist crap to people like her and warn them of the kind of slime b@lls these Economist type low lives are. Sure, they look to places and markets where they can make money and hence they may see Modi as a good prospect in that regard.

But some in in BJP think by sucking up to the west, especially those business friendly, they will get more legitimacy. I've even heard BJP spokesman triumphantly declare on UnDyTV etc that let Modi be PM, and an invitation to the Lincoln room in the white house will be ready. Shameless as though getting invited to Lincoln room is the height of achievement. But they are sadly mistaken. First and foremost the Economist, WSJ etc low lives are hard core Christians with a racist bent of mind. To them, there is no difference between Jihadis and Hindus in their minds. They may sing a few words of praise for Modi, but let nobody mistake that for their true colors.

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Postby sudarshan » 09 Dec 2013 21:53

^^^ Took you this long to figure this out?

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Postby Lilo » 09 Dec 2013 22:04

^
<OT>
Its not a note to self Sudarshan ji,
He is informing the forum , as many of us are doing time to time in our posts with regard to various issues.
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Postby sudarshan » 09 Dec 2013 22:11

OK, I get that, and maybe I was harsh (sorry CRamS). Just a little put off by what seemed like his patronizing advice to BJP, as if BJP isn't aware of what the Economist is all about. And who are these people in BJP who are going to "suck up to the west" and who should be warned for their "shamelessness?"

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Postby RajeshA » 09 Dec 2013 22:15

Published on Dec 09, 2013
By Bharat Bhushan
Storm warnings from the hustings: Business Standard

The same Congressman who saw hostile public sentiment reaching cyclonic proportions, lamented, "We are not a party but a property. A party has leaders; a property has only dealers. All the dealers are looking to their own benefit in the Congress. There is no public purpose left."


The vote for AAP is indeed a vote for alternative politics. However, it will have to choose between concentrating on certain constituencies or spreading itself too thin as the third alternative before a national level organisation has been put in place. If it is pushed into another election in Delhi because of the BJP's refusal to lay claim to form a government, then who knows what its future might be even in Delhi.

Lastly, Arvind Kejriwal, the irreverent youthful leader of AAP, has the potential to emerge as an alternative to Modi, whose politics raises serious problems for many. Up to now the anti-Modi space was occupied by the Congress, now there is a new claimant for it.


Confirms that AAP is being built up to catch the urban middle class votebank there. Also AAP would not be able to stand against BJP on a governance and development platform. Two incumbent BJP CMs (Shivraj Singh Chouhan and Dr. Raman Singh) have been elected, which says that people are have faith in their development and governance record and both are considered clean.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SwamyG » 09 Dec 2013 22:29

disha wrote:
SwamyG wrote:How is AAP an American experiment?


Funded by ford foundation........

Kejriwal has deined that. There was a PIL and a proble. An Indian political party cannot obtain foreign funds. So probably all these parties are getting indirect funds. Like you mention, some NGOs do good work. Foreign money flowing into India is monitored to an extent; its management has to improve.

Dakshina Chitra receives funds from Ford too: http://www.dakshinachitra.net/scripts/donors.asp Good or bad, don't know.

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Postby member_20292 » 09 Dec 2013 22:36

funding be damned.....but this guy arvnd kjrwal has some substance, in my opinion. he'll go far.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 22:39

that is what i asked.. can some link here what substance ak has? forget his basic qualifications.. that does not say anything for aam politics.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby disha » 09 Dec 2013 22:39

SwamyG wrote:Kejriwal has deined that. There was a PIL and a proble. An Indian political party cannot obtain foreign funds. So probably all these parties are getting indirect funds. Like you mention, some NGOs do good work. Foreign money flowing into India is monitored to an extent; its management has to improve.

Dakshina Chitra receives funds from Ford too: http://www.dakshinachitra.net/scripts/donors.asp Good or bad, don't know.


^^ As an Indian Political party, Kejriwal did not ask and neither did FF provide any funding for AAP.

Now, Kejriwal did run NGOs (incl. lot of AAP supporters)., and several of those foundations have been funded by FF. Put it this way, take a list of who-is-who in AAP and find out how many of them run NGOs and who funded them over years including the founding fund.

SwamyG, study venture funding. A VC funds several startups and puts on their boards a set of common (interest) candidates who can network. Yes, some of the NGOs do excellent work., it is when the leader of the NGO has a vision and funds are secondary to that vision., in the reverse scenario there are NGOs whose sole purpose is to gather funds whatever be the operative cause be. For example in early 2000s., it was AIDs - you had AIDs this NGO., and AID that NGO so much so that there were a dozen or so NGOs who "operated" under "AIDS awareness" and all they did was put hoardings in cities.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 22:41

a proper open transparent funding is much better than this paki kala-angrez joot & loot system.

aam speak onlee.. but for dilli, only aam is enough. 'cause elites are chased to villages.
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Postby CRamS » 09 Dec 2013 22:42

sudarshanJi,

No problem. There are some in BJP who are naive and who do. Why did a principled man like Rajnath Singh come to DC to lobb for Modi's visa? How many times have your heard some BJP spokesman naively declare that some lobby is responsible for Modi's visa denial, and should Modi become PM, red carpet will be laid out. This is naivety, ignorance, and above all, a colonial mindset.

Sure there is Indian Muslim council and coalition against genocide who talk of "secularism" in India but nothing against Paki terror or KM demand to seceede etc (and have hard core Pakis in their midst) who have lobbied US like a bunch of traitors they are to humiliate Modi, and by default those Indians who voted for Modi, but at the end of the day, US does things for its own interests. If if was not in their interest to humiliate Modi, they would have brushed aside the IMC etc with a fly swatter. This is what some in BJP don't seem to get.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby member_20292 » 09 Dec 2013 22:50

Rahul M wrote:choice snippets :
In Kashmir, Army is responsible for suppression
...


fyi; i am a diehard bjp namo supporter and have always been...and come from an army background

and that line is true as well. the army DOES suppress (deservedly accordingly to some opinions) ppl in Kashmir.

Somehow, when a thousand voices gather together, pro-one world-view....then another world-view, somehow becomes wrong and then evil and then must-be-destroyed.

brf should not descend to becoming a cult.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Sagar G » 09 Dec 2013 22:52

CRamS, there is also a possibility that US is being setup by Modi. He wants them to think that their visa/acceptance means much to him and he would be privileged to have that, they totally buy this and offer him the visa and then he flatly refuses to visit US thus delivering a mighty jhaapad to US from which they will keep smarting from.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby disha » 09 Dec 2013 22:56

Regarding FF, here are some of the NGOs

Stichting PANOS South Asia 2009 $238,000 India, Nepal and Sri Lanka Advancing Public Service Media Media/Content Development
Stichting PANOS South Asia 2010 $200,000 India, Nepal and Sri Lanka Advancing Public Service Media Research and Public Policy Analysis
Stichting Hivos 2009 $600,000 India, Nepal and Sri Lanka Expanding Community Rights Over Natural Resources Network Building and Convening
Stichting Hivos 2010 $600,000 India, Nepal and Sri Lanka Expanding Community Rights Over Natural Resources Network Building and Convening
Stichting Hivos 2011 $1,400,000 India, Nepal and Sri Lanka Expanding Community Rights Over Natural Resources Program Demonstration
and Scaling

2.6 M dollars in 3 years to an NGO for "Stichting Hivos To establish the Ford Foundation-Hivos Fund on Sustainable Rainfed Agriculture for grant making leading to the development of a new paradigm and policy framework for rainfed agriculture in India"

And that is just a drop in bucket. Read more at: http://www.fordfoundation.org/grants/search

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby manish singh » 09 Dec 2013 23:07

I am disappointed that BJP is not forming govt in Delhi. While AAP's performance was outstanding, it is BJP that has been given the mandate by the people. Really hope that all this self perceived chanakianness does not backfire on BJP.

India is looking for leadership in these dire times. Give them that. Even if the BJP govt is brought down later, it will only benefit BJP. Now is the time to declare emphatically that only BJP can provide leadership.

JMTC.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby ramana » 09 Dec 2013 23:12

manish singh wrote:I am disappointed that BJP is not forming govt in Delhi. While AAP's performance was outstanding, it is BJP that has been given the mandate by the people. Really hope that all this self perceived chanakianness does not backfire on BJP.

India is looking for leadership in these dire times. Give them that. Even if the BJP govt is brought down later, it will only benefit BJP. Now is the time to declare emphatically that only BJP can provide leadership.

JMTC.



Did you see the results?
Where is the mandate to form the govt when they don't have the numbers?

The people in their wisdom did not give the mandate to BJP.

The mandate was against Congress and not for any other party to form the govt.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Vayutuvan » 09 Dec 2013 23:13

disha wrote:Now, Kejriwal did run NGOs (incl. lot of AAP supporters)., and several of those foundations have been funded by FF. Put it this way, take a list of who-is-who in AAP and find out how many of them run NGOs and who funded them over years including the founding fund.

Is it possible that some of these funds were indirectly funneled to supporters to offset their 2-week paid/unpaid leave of absence their job to campaign? By "indirect:, I mean something like cashing in on the good will towards the main NGO/founding officer of these people because they were able to pad their resumes with social service to get promotions in their orgs. I met several NRIs who are running some sort of an NGO so that they can put it on their resumes and show that they were able to generate "blah blah" amount of funding for an NGO and how good they were outside the job helping out society etc. I have met people who have in fact paid money to Indian officials under the table to push through the paperwork so that their NGO can get tax-free designation in US (5xxB something). Sometimes they direct their funds to their own villages/muhallas to get brownie points in their respective localities/wadas/gullies. For NRIs these are the only opportunities available to pad their resumes - for citizens by birth there are various church groups, peace corp., Teach USA, etc. Some of them do good work though just like some NGOs in India do good work.

So whenever somebody approaches me here in US for donations/monthly contribution to educate etc. for some newly started NGO of theirs in India, the first question I pose them is "There are several established NGOs in India who are doing good work. Did you look around and see if one or more are serving the same segment your NGO is setup to serve? (At this point I reel out a list of NGOs I know and have contributed to) If so, why not join forces with them?". That is it. They never raise the issue again. In a couple of cases when their NGOs were really unique I asked them whether they would have any problem with a lump-sum INR contribution under two conditions - that the NGO is not setup to subvert any Indian govt. local or regional, and is equal opportunity without any discrimination based on caste/religion/gender. In these cases too, they never responded.

A little cynical? May be, but caveat emptor and all that.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby svinayak » 09 Dec 2013 23:16

SaiK wrote:that is what i asked.. can some link here what substance ak has? forget his basic qualifications.. that does not say anything for aam politics.

We liks from foriegn groups

Panel discussion on India’s political landscape
with Mr. Gurcharan Das, Mr. Abhay Bhushan and Mr. Pran Kurup.
Moderated by Prof. Robert Goldman.

Followed by Q&A and Book-signing with Mr. Gurcharan Das.
3:30-5:30 pm: Saturday, September 21, 2013

at 2060 Valley Life Sciences Building (VLSB), UC Berkeley


Event is free. Seating is limited, so please register now. https://canaamaadmipartybeagamechangeri ... tbrite.com

Panel Topic: India's political landscape - Can the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) be a game-changer in India?

Program:

3:30-4:00 pm: Registration (please come early to get front row seats!)

4:00-5:00: Panel discussion with Gurcharan Das, Abhay Bhushan, Pran Kurup, followed by question and answers. Prof. Bob Goldman will moderate the session.

5:00-5:30: Book-signing with Gurcharan Das.

Background: India is in an interesting and challenging stage in its history. Deep discontent with the existing political parties and leaders fueled by a multitude of scams saw the rise of the anti-corruption movement that eventually brought the Indian Parliament to its knees in 2011. But to this day, the Lokpal bill (the primary demand of the agitation) has not been passed. The country's two major parties, the Congress and the BJP, continue to lose their significance, while a plethora of regional parties increasingly appear to hold the cards in the next Lok Sabha elections to be held in 2014. But India can't afford an unstable government given its falling rupee, frequent tensions with Pakistan and China, and decreasing economic growth numbers.

In the recent past, several new parties have been started with aspirations to bring change in India. Most have been unable to catch momentum at a national scale, yet. In Fall 2012, Arvind Kejriwal, a Distinguished Alumnus of IIT Kharagpur, Ashoka Fellow, Ramon Magsaysay Award winner, and key force behind the India against Corruption movement, has launched the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) (http://www.aamaadmiparty.org) and is contesting the state assembly elections in Delhi this November. His clean record, idealistic and practical ways seem to have captured the imagination of the people of Delhi, especially the younger generation. Through an active social media campaign and the creative use of Internet technologies, AAP has managed to raise most of its funds online. It has also started a unique process of candidate selection.

Key Questions: Can Indians aspire to curtail corruption in the near future? Can politics be transformed in India? Is there hope or is India headed for another hung Parliament? Can AAP transform its groundswell of support to an election victory? Can AAP make an impact at the local, regional and national level? Can AAP be a game-changer in India?

Panelists:

Gurcharan Das: is a well-known author, commentator and public intellectual. He is the author of The Difficulty of Being Good, and the international bestseller India Unbound, which has been translated in many languages and filmed by the BBC. His other works include a novel, A Fine Family, a book of essays, The Elephant Paradigm, and anthology, Three Plays consisting of Larins Sahib, Mira and 9 Jakhoo Hill. Gurcharan Das writes regular column for a number of Indian newspapers including theTimes of India and occasional guest columns for Newsweek, Wall Street Journal, and Foreign Affairs. Gurcharan Das graduated from Harvard University and was CEO of Procter & Gamble India before he took early retirement to become a full-time writer. He lives in Delhi and is currently visiting UC Berkeley.

Abhay Bhushan: is a graduate of the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) Kanpur and MIT, Internet pioneer and author of FTP, SF Bay Area entrepreneur, and environmental and community activist. Co-founder of Bay Area Action (now Acterra) and of PanIIT, Abhay is the former president of PanIIT USA, IIT Kanpur Alumni Association, IIT Kanpur Foundation and Indians for Collective Action. He has been supporting social and environmental activists in India and in USA for many decades, including the anti-corruption movement, and AAP.

Pran Kurup: is a IIT Kharagpur graduate, bay area entrepreneur, and political commentator (Economic Times websitehttp://blogs.economictimes.india ... tsideedge/) and has been closely following politics in India and writing about the anti-corruption movement, the rise of AAP and other events. Pran is the author of three technical books and founder and CEO of Vitalect, Inc., an eLearning company. He was the former President of the Silicon Valley Indian Professionals Association (SIPA) and actively involved in the alumni activities of his alma mater, IIT Kharagpur for over a decade.

Moderator:

Robert Goldman: is a Professor of Sanskrit and Catherine and William L. Magistretti Distinguished Professor in South & Southeast Asian Studies at UC Berkeley. His areas of scholarly interest include Sanskrit literature and literary theory, Indian Epic Studies, and psychoanalytically oriented cultural studies. He has published widely in these areas, authoring several books and dozens of scholarly articles. He is perhaps best known for his work as the Director, General Editor, and a principal translator of a massive and fully annotated translation of the critical edition of the Valmiki Ramayana. His work has been recognized by several awards and fellowships including election as a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences. Most recently he has been honored by the President of India as the 2013 awardee of the President's Certificate of Honour for Sanskrit (International). He is a long time resident of India and a keen observer of India's culture and society.

Co-Sponsors of the Event:

Asha for Education, Berkeley, and

Indian students at UC Berkeley

Community Partner:

Center for South Asia Studies, UC Berkeley


Location: please review: http://berkeley.edu/map/

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Vayutuvan » 09 Dec 2013 23:19

"Stichting Hivos/PANOS" - what are these Hivos and PANOS? Never came across these words/acronym.

Also, since a lot of NRIs in US are in IT/vity, it is a couple of days job for them to setup a nice looking website and even do money e-transactions.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby disha » 09 Dec 2013 23:26

Acharya wrote:In the recent past, several new parties have been started with aspirations to bring change in India. Most have been unable to catch momentum at a national scale, yet. In Fall 2012, Arvind Kejriwal, a Distinguished Alumnus of IIT Kharagpur, Ashoka Fellow, Ramon Magsaysay Award winner, and key force behind the India against Corruption movement, has launched the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) (http://www.aamaadmiparty.org) and is contesting the state assembly elections in Delhi this November. His clean record, idealistic and practical ways seem to have captured the imagination of the people of Delhi, especially the younger generation. Through an active social media campaign and the creative use of Internet technologies, AAP has managed to raise most of its funds online. It has also started a unique process of candidate selection.


Highlighted above:

1. I believe Ashoka Foundation is a FF funded trust
2. I have noticed that lot of AAP supporters are IIT types: it is like an "blue boys club".

Given my experience with "secular" IIT types., sometimes I feel that even IIT is subverted! :ROFL:

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby disha » 09 Dec 2013 23:30

matrimc wrote:...Is it possible that some of these funds were indirectly funneled to supporters to offset their 2-week paid/unpaid leave of absence their job to campaign? By "indirect:, I mean something like cashing in on the good will towards the main NGO/founding officer of these people because they were able to pad their resumes with social service to get promotions in their orgs....

A little cynical? May be, but caveat emptor and all that.


matrimc'ji., +786 to all you said. Same here.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby disha » 09 Dec 2013 23:35

Regarding HIVOS, here you go:

http://translate.google.com/translate?%20hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hivos&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dstichting%2Bhivos%26biw%3D1491%26bih%3D643

The above URL in sankshipt (for niran)

Hivos (Humanist Institute for Development Cooperation in full) is a Dutch organization for development cooperation which acts from humanistic values. Hivos provides financial and political support to partner organizations in Africa , Latin America and Asia . Along with these local organizations, Hivos wants to contribute to a free, fair and sustainable world in which women and men have equal access to resources and opportunities for development. Hivos believes that if people are given a fair chance, their possibilities are almost limitless. Hence the slogan of Hivos' people unlimited ". An important guideline is to strengthen the social position of women.

Hivos Foundation was founded in 1968 by the Humanist Association , the Association Weezenkas and Humanitas For four decades fighting Hivos for a free, fair and sustainable world. Hivos works together with partner organizations in Africa, Asia and Latin America and with its many partners in the Netherlands and Europe.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Rahul M » 09 Dec 2013 23:37

mahadevbhu wrote:
Rahul M wrote:choice snippets :
In Kashmir, Army is responsible for suppression
...
fyi; i am a diehard bjp namo supporter and have always been...and come from an army background

the riders are un-nescessary. the argument is with your opinion, not your background.

and that line is true as well. the army DOES suppress (deservedly accordingly to some opinions) ppl in Kashmir.

no, that line is not true. what the army does is conduct COIN against an extremely violent terror network supported by an increasingly talibanised populace.
they operate under highly restrictive ROE's and still manage to execute their jobs well without harming the civilians in 99% of the cases. if you want to argue on this plz take it to a relevant thread.

two, AAP/prashant bushan also supports the UN plebiscite demand, which is entirely in pakistan's favour because of the forced demographic changes conducted by them after 1948.

so in effect, for all your supposed pro-modi and army family background, you are supporting pakistan's stand on kashmir over India's.
just because you like kejriwal.

moving on...
Somehow, when a thousand voices gather together, pro-one world-view....then another world-view, somehow becomes wrong and then evil and then must-be-destroyed.

what is wrong is wrong, whether it is one voice or many. AAP has many takers today, I find it as wrong as it was an year back.

brf should not descend to becoming a cult.
sir, you have drunk the kool-aid of white knight kejriwal, not BRF. :D
the cult is surely the people who believe in
> electricity @ 50% rates
> free 700 litres of water for everyone
> prices of essential communities would be set by the common people :eek:
> delhi assembly would be held at ramlila maidan :rotfl:

and just FYI, if you think AAP is the herald of some brand new revolution, it has happened before. Indian voters have a first time soft spot for people who break away from mainstream and position themselves as holier than thou. doesn't mean much in the long run.
viz.
CPIM from CPI
NTR's TDP
Indira gandhi's cong(I)
TMC from cong in WB


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