Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby kmkraoind » 10 Dec 2013 14:43

US gears up for life after UPA eclipse, rethink on Modi visa issue possible - TOI

Over the weekend, Ed Royce, the influential chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, came out publicly against the resolution, saying "it weakens, rather than strengthens the friendship between the US and India."

"Our two nations share many common values and strategic interests. India plays a central role in the Asia-Pacific region, and we must do our part to ensure that India is a centerpiece of America's rebalance to Asia. The resolution runs counter to all the hard work that the American people, particularly those in the Indian American community, have done to improve the relationship," Royce said in a statement, without referring to the Modi visa flap or the election results.

Separately, Steve Chabot, Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific, which has broad jurisdiction for US policy affecting the region, withdrew his name as an original cosponsor of resolution, amid hectic lobbying by the USINPAC, an Indian-American pressure group that believes the House resolution constitutes an unacceptable intrusion into politics in India.

"From now until the elections in India, USINPAC will spare no effort in making sure the US. Congress does not intentionally or unintentionally influence the outcome of India's upcoming elections. India is a sovereign nation and its citizens have a right to choose their leaders," the USINPAC said in a statement. {My head is spinning}

While Royce and Chabot refrained from referring directly to the election outcome or the Modi issue, another ranking member, Eni Faleomavega, made no secret of his view that the resolution was aimed at the Gujarat chief minister and said the US was wrong in pursuing such a policy.

"The timing of the Resolution is unfortunate as it unintentionally invokes the name of the US House of Representatives for purposes of influencing India's upcoming elections." Faleomavega said in a statement, maintaining that, "India, like the United States, has an independent and transparent Judiciary and India's Supreme Court and its Special Investigation Team have not found any evidence against Modi."


The Congressional Research Service (CRS), which primes US lawmakers about various domestic and international issues, had already spoken last year about the resurgence of the BJP/NDA, although many experts reckon the arithmetic still doesn't add up to the 272 seats needed to form the next government.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Rahul M » 10 Dec 2013 14:51

archan wrote:
manish singh wrote:As of now, BJP appears to be running away from its responsibility of attempting to form the government being the single largest party. Yes, AAP too appears to be running. However, if BJP is serious about projecting itself as a party with a difference, it needs to demonstrate leadership. That is the one thing people of India are looking for right now: LEADERSHIP.

PS: Vajpayee attempted to form government in 1996 even though he did not have simple majority.

Let me samajh this.
BJP has 30, and including two "others" (one of them is BSP, whose support is not guaranteed) they can be 32. You need 36 to form a govt.
AAP has said they will neither take nor provide support.
Only other party is CongI.
What do you suggest they do? ask for CongI for support? can you imagine BJP and CongI in a coalition?

archan, bsp ? bjp has 31, SAD 1 and 1 rebel bjp.

http://eciresults.ap.nic.in/PartyWiseResult.htm

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Postby Sri » 10 Dec 2013 15:11

manju wrote:
Since there was NO 3rd alternative in RJ / MP / CG votes consolidated for BJP.


I don't get this.. It is like saying since he did not read well he failed, but otherwise he is a intelligent guy and should not have been failed.

SaPa and BSP contested in many seats in RJ, CH and MP - they were the alternatives to the BJP but people chose BJP in these staets.


manju Ji,

I don't mean to say that the 3rd alternative needs to be SAPA or BSP or JDU. All that the numbers show is moving of voters away from congress. Or in political science terms either the voter has take a right turn on the political spectrum or it's the congress that has gone too left from centre.

According to me it's the later part. Congress in order to cover it's administrative failure / corruption has gone too left from centre and BJP has not been able to fully occupy that space. Of course this analysis is massive extrapolation as it is based on results of only Delhi elections. This theory can only be tried in Delhi as this was the only credible 3 way fight. But historically we can't deny the fact that BJP doesn't do well in states were there are 3 way tussles. This leads me to believe that majority of Indian electorate is little bit left to centre in their political beliefs.

I also believe that NAMO realises this. Hence he maintains huge distance from right wing lunatics. His challenge will be to bring BJP a little bit more to centre. (ducking for cover)

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Postby archan » 10 Dec 2013 15:24

Rahul M wrote:archan, bsp ? bjp has 31, SAD 1 and 1 rebel bjp.

http://eciresults.ap.nic.in/PartyWiseResult.htm

Another ghajni moment for me I guess. Is this the same guy who asked for deputy CM post? I saw that guy's interview on TV this morning. He speaks like, well, let me not get into that. So he gives an impression of being a goofy.

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Postby Neela » 10 Dec 2013 15:47

kmkraoind wrote:US gears up for life after UPA eclipse, rethink on Modi visa issue possible - TOI

Over the weekend, Ed Royce, the influential chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, came out publicly against the resolution, saying "it weakens, rather than strengthens the friendship between the US and India."

"Our two nations share many common values and strategic interests. India plays a central role in the Asia-Pacific region, and we must do our part to ensure that India is a centerpiece of America's rebalance to Asia. The resolution runs counter to all the hard work that the American people, particularly those in the Indian American community, have done to improve the relationship," Royce said in a statement, without referring to the Modi visa flap or the election results.

Separately, Steve Chabot, Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia and the Pacific, which has broad jurisdiction for US policy affecting the region, withdrew his name as an original cosponsor of resolution, amid hectic lobbying by the USINPAC, an Indian-American pressure group that believes the House resolution constitutes an unacceptable intrusion into politics in India.

"From now until the elections in India, USINPAC will spare no effort in making sure the US. Congress does not intentionally or unintentionally influence the outcome of India's upcoming elections. India is a sovereign nation and its citizens have a right to choose their leaders," the USINPAC said in a statement. {My head is spinning}

While Royce and Chabot refrained from referring directly to the election outcome or the Modi issue, another ranking member, Eni Faleomavega, made no secret of his view that the resolution was aimed at the Gujarat chief minister and said the US was wrong in pursuing such a policy.

"The timing of the Resolution is unfortunate as it unintentionally invokes the name of the US House of Representatives for purposes of influencing India's upcoming elections." Faleomavega said in a statement, maintaining that, "India, like the United States, has an independent and transparent Judiciary and India's Supreme Court and its Special Investigation Team have not found any evidence against Modi."


The Congressional Research Service (CRS), which primes US lawmakers about various domestic and international issues, had already spoken last year about the resurgence of the BJP/NDA, although many experts reckon the arithmetic still doesn't add up to the 272 seats needed to form the next government.



David Cameron met Dalai Lama.
China gets pi$$ed.
No business/diplomatic meetings b/w UK & China for a long time.
China makes UK wait for 18 months before Cameron allowed to set foot in China ( i.e last week)
Not one word on Tibet when both parties were present.
( But the English, being these poor losers, talk about Tibet inside some Chinese govt building to their news channels (CH 4) - just to pretend as though human rights arent forgotten )
Let us see. If Modi becomes PM, then how he handles US initially will be interesting to watch.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Atri » 10 Dec 2013 15:49

archan wrote:
Rahul M wrote:archan, bsp ? bjp has 31, SAD 1 and 1 rebel bjp.

http://eciresults.ap.nic.in/PartyWiseResult.htm

Another ghajni moment for me I guess. Is this the same guy who asked for deputy CM post? I saw that guy's interview on TV this morning. He speaks like, well, let me not get into that. So he gives an impression of being a goofy.


Yes. Rambeer shaukin from mundka. Kaafi shaukin nikle rambeer. Direct deputy cm. Aur kuch?

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Postby Sridhar K » 10 Dec 2013 16:55

NikhilB wrote:I think BJP strategy to deal with AAP should be - to let them take a stand on some critical issues. BJP should enforce AAP to take stand either way on these issues and then highlight the differences vis-a-vis BJP and also expose the hypocrisy of their leaders or previous behaviors.

Some issues could be:
- article 370
- Batlawala encounter (earlier AK had said it as fake encounter)
- Rajasthan dev model from Sonia v/s Gujrat dev model by Modi
- Maoists & Naxalism
- Bangladesh immigrants
- Kashmir problem
- uniform civil code

Let them take a stand, and have TV debate (because of AAP supporters are TV watchers) for one issue in one full week !


AK also showed solidarity with the Kodankulam protesters. Not sure whether he rallied along with another similar orange revolution movement against Sri Lanka after the CH4 leak. AAP like experiment in TN is also possible for AK but with Amma's iron fist and local TN political dynamics, it won't be easy though.

On the Modi effect, was surprised to find a big banner from BJP Minority cell for Syed Shahnawaz Hussain's birthday today inside Chennai airport arrival terminal. Also seeing a lot of Modi posters from local BJP. Looks like the cadres are energized but really skeptical whether it will translate into votes unless there is an alliance.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby manju » 10 Dec 2013 17:02

in mid afternoon on NDTV Hindi the srinivasan guy was talking to people in the jophad patti areas of S Dixit's consitutency. People were saying why they voted her out. In the end one old gentleman said "lekin lok sabha mei to modi ko jaroor laana chahiye" (am paraphrasing,, don't rememer exact words)

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Postby amitvora » 10 Dec 2013 17:47

BJP's officials (those that won and those that lost) need to visit every one of their constituencies and thank the people for their vote. Whether they lost or won, does not matter. As they say in the US, coddle the people and they will remember you. Even your enemy will take note of that. Remind people that the politicians are there for them. This will make a lasting impression on people's minds. They will know that the politicians are working for them and that they are there when they need them. Because most Indians think of politicians as someone who only comes during the time of the election. BJP can change this trend easily.

This can also be an exercise for votes in 2014. This should start from the top with BJP CM candidate.

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Postby Karan M » 10 Dec 2013 17:51

VikramS wrote:Kumar Biswas seems to be taking AJaitley to the cleaners...

"Arun Jaitley should know that drawing room politics and rajya sabha politics spread anarchy and not street politics-Kumar Vishvaas,AAP"

"If Jaitley is so concerned about anarchy spreading then he should fight atleast one election and come in Lok Sabha-Kumar Vishvaas,AAP"


kumar vishwas is the mani shankar aiyar/diggiraju of the AAP combine. if they trot this attack dawg out, it means Jaitleys comments are working.

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Postby sunnyP » 10 Dec 2013 18:10

The anti nationals sure are worried.

Muslims can stop BJP by voting for SP: Bukhari

LUCKNOW: A day after the BJP stormed to power in assembly polls in Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, and Chattisgarh and emerged as the single-largest party in Delhi, the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid Syed Ahmad Bukhari said that only Samajwadi Party can stop the saffron wave from sweeping Lok Sabha elections in UP next year.

"I think Muslims certainly have the option of polling in bulk for the SP to stop the BJP from emerging victorious," the Shahi Imam said.

"The situation in UP is different from other states where BJP swept the elections. In Delhi, whatever seats Congress won was because of the Muslim vote. That equation may change when it comes to parliamentary elections in UP. Here, Muslims have another option in Samajwadi Party," he said. It was only last week when Bukhari gave a warm welcome to UP chief minister Akhilesh Yadav who had come to attend a wedding ceremony of a family member of Bukhari. According to sources, Bukhari is likely to meet SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav soon.




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Postby nawabs » 10 Dec 2013 18:20

So instead of giving an account of his performance as MLA to which he has just been elected by his constituency, he is running to another place to fight elections. Does he have any constructive ideas in his mind? Or can he not leave his leftist-activist style of opposing anything and anyone behind. What does he want to prove - that he is some kind of a giant killer?

His style seems to be of just making accusations in one arena and making wild suggestions for improvement and instead of implementing them when given chance, he runs to another arena to do the same. Real reforms take time and the person given chance should be man enough to see to it that they are implemented. Modi himself has spent more than 10 years at state level before transitioning to national level.
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Postby sunnyP » 10 Dec 2013 18:22

Congress set to lose 2014, predicts party veteran Mani Shankar Aiyar

New Delhi: After the Congress was emphatically rejected by voters in state elections, party veteran Mani Shankar Aiyar has predicted that the Congress will lose the general election and should use its time in the opposition to reinvent itself.

"Who can be even half-way realistic and expect the Congress to return to power?" Mr Aiyar told Reuters.


http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/congr ... topstories

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Postby KLP Dubey » 10 Dec 2013 18:27

Sri wrote:I also believe that NAMO realises this. Hence he maintains huge distance from right wing lunatics. His challenge will be to bring BJP a little bit more to centre. (ducking for cover)


Left, right, center etc are non-Indian constructs. They emerge from Western political discourse. They might be useful for discussions, but I am 100% sure Mr. Modi is not bothered about any of these non-existent "challenges".

I strongly advise the chatterati to look up the party philosophy and manifestos before projecting their own desires and labels on Mr Modi and the party. His actions and policies are determined by the party philosophy and manifesto. To best of my knowledge, he has not said a single word publicly about any perceived need to "bring the party towards the center", "lean towards the right", or any other such stuff.

For your information this is the 2009 version:

http://www.bjp.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=137:manifesto-lok-sabha-election-2009&catid=50:election-manifestos&Itemid=549

The 2014 manifesto committee is chaired by Dr Joshi (who also chaired in 2009). If there is a desire to make a productive contribution, send in your suggestions to him:

http://bjpelectionmanifesto.com/

Regards etc,

KL Dubey

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Postby Rahul Mehta » 10 Dec 2013 18:30

Rahul Mehta: The decision of when to release religion data will be taken by MNC-owners.

ashashiWho are these "MNC-owners"? Elaborate. Name them.

Rahul M: enough about this MNC business already.


Dear All, Dear anti-RM-elements ,

By MNC-owners, I mean Euro-American-elitemen. Now if you believe that Euro-American-elitemen have no control over Indian media, judiciary, polity etc or have no capability or interest in controlling India, then my posts will give you immense takleef. Because every post of mine will have "how MNC-owners are effecting the issue" at hand. You might as well ignore all my posts. Ignoring my posts should not be too difficult, because I am posting less than 1 post per day in this thread. Just cultivate one reflex --- moment you see my post, frantically let your right finger hit page-down page-down till my post goes away. Or just hit ignore user button.

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More on MNC-owners and how to get their names,

Some 1000-2000 US elitemen (and some are European) have overwhelming high control over world affairs. They do NOT have any registered group with any name or with any head office. They collaborate for their interests. They operate via Bank Holding Companies, which owns Banks, which owns Mutual Funds which owns companies such as Weapon Making companies, Oil Companies, media companies etc. So if you can get names of owners of Bank Holding Companies and find out "how much wealth each person owns" by applying "who own who" , then you will get idea of who owns how much of world/USA/India. And that way, you get get names of 1000-2000 persons at top. In chap-20 of http://rahulmehta.com/301.htm , I have explained why/how MNC-owners are so powerful and are 100 times more powerful than Indian elitemen inside India !! The main reason why MNC-owners call shots and Indian elitemen have to listen, is because of weapons MNC-owners own.

The MNC-owners have several tentacles. They are :

  • MNCs they own , of which most important MNCs are Oil companies, weapon companies, banks, media companies, electronics companies, software companies. The latter two are used to put trojans across world
  • US-Govt - US Govt inside USA is run by citizens, but outside USA , it is owned by MNC-owners
  • CIA - when MNC-owners want to do covert operations like EVM-rigging, it is done by CIA
  • Ford Foundation etc --- to control NGOs in India
  • Missionaries --- they are arms of MNC-owners , to destroy religions of other countries
  • Media companies etc etc

Using their wealth, weapons, media etc MNC-owners have now bought many Supreme judges, Ministers, mediamen etc.

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Back to NaMo etc.

I will put links from my FB status, where I discuss in detail. I cant post whole status here, as BRF has "restrains on speech"

https://www.facebook.com/mehtarahulc/po ... 4860431922

Congress has shifted its votes to AAP to project AAP as alternative at national level so that AAP can cut middle class BJP votes in LS-2014 elections

Basically, ... Congress leaders this time paid their mullahs and their social workers in poor areas to ask all voters to give votes to AAP. This was done so that AAP can be projected as alternative to BJP before middles class at national level, and pre-empt the argument that "AAP is cutting BJP votes". Now paid-media will give huge coverage to AAP before nation's 20 crore middle class voters. And paid-media will also tell that "AAP is not a middle class vote cutter". And paid-media will show Delhi Assembly 2013 election as "proof" that AAP gets votes from all sections. But in Loksabha-2014 Loksabha elections, AAP will get only middle class votes. Even in Delhi, AAP will get only middle class votes and in Delhi Loksabha 2014, slum/muslim votes will all go to Congress. MNC-owners and Missionaries have sacrificed Delhi Assembly to gain LS-2014 seats. So all in all, now AAP is all set to cut some 3 crore NaMo\BJP middle class votes and hardly 50 lakh Congress voters. This will reduce NaM's seat share by some 25-30 Loksabha seats. The only option now BJP has is to accept conditions of sponsors of NaMo namely MNC-owners and Missioanry, and give loksabha tickets to MNC-Missionary-agents in BJP. In any case, Swadeshi, Hinduvaadi, Nationalists lose.

https://www.facebook.com/mehtarahulc/po ... 4860431922

Dr Congress did 1000 operations with 800 failures. Dr BJP did 1000 operations and had 600 failures, with Dr NaMo having least failure rate say 30%. And AK has failure score of 0 !! Because Dr AK never did any operations in his life !!! And paid-media projected Dr AK has "best doctor as he has zero failure rate" !!! .....


I would add more to it . Congress is now wholly owned MNC-owners and Missionaries, and executives appointed by MNC-owners and Missionaries decide all war-room policies. The Congress leaders including Sonia, MMS are now puppets only. They dont take ANY decisions. They just act like actors. So decision to shift Congress votes to AAP was taken by MNC-owners' executives who run the show, not by Congress leaders.

Now if AAP had got only 15% of all polled votes and only 2 seats, then AAP would NOT be in position to cut middle class votes across 543 Loksabha Constituencies. So Congress's slum\muslim voters were transferred to AAP, raising AAP's vote count to 32% and , and seat count to 28. How was transfer done? May be via EVM. Or by asking Congress leaders to ask slum social workers on Congress payroll to align with AAP. And Congress asked the Mullahs to ask muslim voters to vote for AAP. In muslim lower class ,mullah is also a big time social worker. and he has huge command over the vote. To facilitate transfer of muslim votes from Congress to AAP, AK created a highly p-sec imahe by raising question of Ishrat Jahan encounter etc. And to create pro-poor image, AK said "free 700 liters of water, 50% reduction in electricity bills" etc etc. This was so that Congress votes can be shifted to AK. Just as one owner will tranfer his assets from one of his company to one of his another company, MNC-owners transferred votes from Congress to AAP. So Congress lost Delhi Assembly election. But MNC-owners have now created a powerful illusion that AAP is not created to cut BJP votes. But now in LS-may-2014 elections, AAP will not get even one slum\muslim vote. AAP will only get middle class votes, and about 3 crore of them. And so AAP is now in position to cut 29-40 NaMo seats

The MNC-owners have shown to BJP in Delhi that MNC-owners have powerful antidote to NaMo-magic, namely AK-magic. AK is 100% pure MIC-Missionary creation. basically, India lacks certain laws that USA has. Lack of these laws have created huge corruption and immense hardships in lives of us commons. And so there is massive frustration and helplessness in lives of us commons. BJP cold not support these laws. So BJP cannot project itself as a anti-corruption savior. So MNC-owners created a dream-man who can solve many of the problems and thus capture their votes. Anti-corruption is a huge issue and MNC-owners's mediamen can make it bigger issue. And NaMo and BJP score better than Congress, but still have poor score. So does AK, but AK has clean slate, as he never administered any office !!!

Now MNC-owners will ask NaMo to accept certain terms , such as (1) give ticket to p-sec, anti-national, anti-hindu, anti-swadeshi, pro-MNC, pro-Missionary etc people in BJP (2) take anti-islamists items like art-370, UCC, RJB Devalaya only 6 months before when USA decides to attack Iran, and not before then (3) allow Missionaries to spread etc etc

If NaMo accepts these terms, and MNC-owners will downplay AAP.

Vanraa ... aka Otherwise, come Loksabha-may-2014. Following would happen

  • AAP would put candidates in ALL 543 in all seats.
  • As of now, doctors, engineers, eminent IITians , eminent IIMians etc are all running to get AAP loksabha-may-2014 tickets.
  • The unpaid volunteers are running to AAP offices across India, AK is now popular than NaMo and SRK on Facebook. AAP will by may-2014 may have more volunteers than BJP across India, and all unpaid !! And one unpaid volunteer = 10 paid volunteers
  • corruption and not development will be made central issue of loksabha-may-2014


And now imagine what would happen if MNC-owners pay mediamen Rs 50 crore per Loksabha constituency to project AAP candidate as better than BJP candidate? And what would happen if CIA-owned facebook gives higher visibility to pro-AK posts than pro-NaMo posts in newsfeed? And what would happen if CIA = facebook gives higher visibility to anti-NaMo posts than anti-AK posts? What would happen if the paid-media does chest-beating for AK vs NaMo debate on live TV? If NaMo refuses, it will be shame. And if NaMo accepts, then AK will show all data where Gujarat Govt has given plots to Adani for dirt cheap without auction in front of NaMo on National TVs live. Not good, not good.

This time, in Delhi Assembly, AAP had semi-literate persons as candidates. But in Loksabha-may-2014, they can get eminent doctors, eminent IITians and eminent IIMians to contest for AAP. They will steal large number of middle class voters. And that will be all BJP's loss.Now in Loksabha-may-2014, Congress will NOT transfer even one muslim\slum voter to AAP. So AAP will get only middle class voters.

So all in all, as it stands, MNC-owners have outsmarted Nationalists. NaMo has been cornered .So either NaMo loses, or a "transformed NaMo" wins" So nationalists, swadeshies, hinduvaadies have lost Loksabha-may-2014.

Soluton: One solution I propose is -- BJP should ask 15 of its 31 MLAs resign, so that now Delhi has 70 - 15 = 55 MLAs, and AAP 2ith 28 MLAs has clear majority. Within 3 months, AAP will be fail so badly that it would get zero votes in Loksabha-may-2014 elections. Other solution I propose will come in SMS thread tomorrow
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby member_23658 » 10 Dec 2013 18:43

Rahul M wrote:kejri to contest against modi.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 6-NOR.html

Thats a stupid move on his part, its a case of some success going to the head. He will have to use the same arguments ('communal', 'dictorial' etc) against Modi that COngress used and failed, and a big big chunk of his support base has pro-Modi sentiments. On top of that he got the vote because people wanted to teach COngress a lesson, he and his disciples seem to have convinced themselves its a vote against both BJP and Congress.

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Postby pankajs » 10 Dec 2013 18:46

^^
It will allow BJP to brand him a congress stooge doing the mafia's work.

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Postby vishvak » 10 Dec 2013 18:48

Rahul M wrote:kejri to contest against modi.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 6-NOR.html

Same as raulG ie defeat NaMo is all the pseudo leftist can plan. Not even removing corruption etc - which shows true face of pseudo leftists without any plans & standards other than weakening anti incumbency.

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Postby SaiK » 10 Dec 2013 18:57

now that is a good sign.. for tweeting. the only think this aap guy wants to develop an app to create some nuisance value to indic democracy. thank his IIT education for such political illiteracy. btw, thank him for NGO type activities and RTI stuff.. and that is all he can do.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby chaanakya » 10 Dec 2013 18:59

Rahul Mehta wrote:
Soluton: One solution I propose is -- BJP should ask 15 of its 31 MLAs resign, so that now Delhi has 70 - 15 = 55 MLAs, and AAP 2ith 28 MLAs has clear majority. Within 3 months, AAP will be fail so badly that it would get zero votes in Loksabha-may-2014 elections. Other solution I propose will come in SMS thread tomorrow

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/asse ... 185755.cms
NEW DELHI: Congress on Tuesday appeared extending an olive branch to AAP to form a government in Delhi as Arvind Kejriwal ruled out giving any support to BJP for the purpose.

"A number of senior leaders of Delhi are of the opinion that we should give unconditional support to AAP to form a government. They believe that we should extend outside support to it. But, we are talking to MLAs from the state. Their opinion is very important. Once we take their opinion, we will apprise the party high command about it," AICC general secretary in charge for Delhi, Shakeel Ahmed told PTI.


So Congis essentially want to form a Coalition Govt with AK at the helm. In that case BJP need not offer seats, by resignation of its MLA , to AAP.

But if they really want to take up on your idea then 8 seats would be enough. BJP can make open offer that since there is anti congress vote and none of the two parties have got requisite majority they are asking 8 MLAs to resign if AAP can field members to contest and get them elected unopposed ( i.e. Gogis and others don't field candidates) that way AAP will have working majority and BJP can claim some credit.

Once both offer are on the table their choice will tell their intention. but as we know, they are truly B team of Congis. Its a matter of time before they form Govt with outside support of congis.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Karan M » 10 Dec 2013 19:00

nawabs wrote:So instead of giving an account of his performance as MLA to which he has just been elected by his constituency, he is running to another place to fight elections. Does he have any constructive ideas in his mind? Or can he not leave his leftist-activist style of opposing anything and anyone behind. What does he want to prove - that he is some kind of a giant killer?

His style seems to be of just making accusations in one arena and making wild suggestions for improvement and instead of implementing them when given chance, he runs to another arena to do the same. Real reforms take time and the person given chance should be man enough to see to it that they are implemented. Modi himself has spent more than 10 years at state level before transitioning to national level.


exactly. he wants power at all costs.
this guy is the worst kind of anarchist.

power at all costs, the easy way, with zero responsibility. #ack thoo at his sense of entitlement and self importance.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby member_20317 » 10 Dec 2013 19:09

Rahul Mehta ji, independently I have reached similar (not same) conclusions. Now leave aside all talk of winning and losing and preaching to the choir or converting the unwilling and tell us who is gonna do what about it. The point is what is the relevant affected party going to do about that. The point further is are these guys willing+able to do something about that. Are they willing to see the adapt. Are they willing to listen. And are these guys capable of withstanding the pressure that comes with this resistance. Or is it all a case of a 'piggie on the railway track'.

Ok now I do not like too much attention.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby archan » 10 Dec 2013 19:15

Rahul M wrote:kejri to contest against modi.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 6-NOR.html

Unlikely. Zamanat zabt ho jayegi. (he will lose even his deposit).

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby member_20317 » 10 Dec 2013 19:21

Archan ji, you forget what the weakest of all the links in their chain said. Something to the effect that - we will do something that you cannot even imagine. And he was not flustered.

Anyhow those who want to believe things can believe what they want. The facts will unfold in a way which will be decipherable but not avoidable.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby archan » 10 Dec 2013 19:28

ravi_g wrote:Archan ji, you forget what the weakest of all the links in their chain said. Something to the effect that - we will do something that you cannot even imagine. And he was not flustered.

Anyhow those who want to believe things can believe what they want. The facts will unfold in a way which will be decipherable but not avoidable.

It was all fun n games in Dilli saar. Harshwardhan ji is a gentleman, who got appointed too late. The BJP state unit more or less scrambled. Hawai promises like cutting electricity bill by half may have flown there in Dilli. Not sure they can repeat it all over the nation. And was it Ghadkari who was overseeing the BJP campaign in Delhi?
When NaMo is contesting personally, don't expect any stone unturned.
Hence, no doubt kejri will be blown away in the aandhi if he dares confront the TsuNaMo.

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Postby member_20317 » 10 Dec 2013 19:32

archan ji sorry I did not clarify but yes NaMo is not in the red. The larger goal is also quite achievable. Its just that a mosquito has a nuisance value that makes you want to swat it (off course, not physically).

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby vishvak » 10 Dec 2013 19:32

Strange why pappu wants unimaginable stuff now.

Shouldn't pappu be talking of more politics, more poll promises and rallies and prove himself more a little bit more than babalog politics?

So why change goalposts after a decade of con race rule?

What could pappu baba do?
1) emergency?
2) external intervention to dismantle opposition or political structure he can't learn?
3) change constitutional provisions arbitrarily at poll time?
4) fast forward breaking India type of operations bankrolled by external powers?

Why this unimaginable circus now?

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Atri » 10 Dec 2013 19:40

Old guard of khangress will now go away.. :D big opening possible in MH if cards played cautiously. They desperately need to find a maratha leader from sugar-belt. Queen and Pappu are going to fire people helterskelter. many hurt egos..

It seems Pranav ji's wish might come true in urban areas - AAP trying to replace CongI. there won't be overt support, but covert cadre support and media cover will sustain and increase. Of course, this arrangement will have to encounter the moment of truth not far from here. Come Indrashakti, only arjuna will stand riding tall on tsunamo..

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Muppalla » 10 Dec 2013 19:44

Sri wrote:ravi_g / nagesh Ji... thanks for the numbers.

For me worrying part is that BJP core voter did vote for AAP in decent numbers (Since this voter has now voted for non BJP party, this voter is no more BJP core voter any more). So BJP core has shrunk considerably and good portion is now floating voter.
So Nitish Kumar was correct in analysis (though extrapolation could be a bit too much). :People will prefer a 3rd non congress alternative over BJP."

Since there was NO 3rd alternative in RJ / MP / CG votes consolidated for BJP. If there was No AAP, BJP would have got 60 seats in Delhi.


One thing I always repeat is that the core vote of parties is always very minimal in India. Core vote of Congress or BJP is actually around 10% only. Everything else comes based on perception, performance, mobilization, demographics. Problem in this discussion always is because of an assumption that congress has 25% or BJP has 30% core votes. I put out my neck and say again that the so called Hindutva vote never crossed 5% even in pure BJP states. Just because someone votes to BJP does not mean he is an ideological BJP/Hindutva person. Such persons never cross 10% of total votes.

In Delhi, the voter characteristics probably are as follows:
(1) Core BJP voter (Hindutva, small businessman, polarized due to Muslim moholla) Non-core voters (Sikhs due to SAD, caste based in the outer Delhi, some middle class voters who are traditional)
(2) Congress voter (Muslim, I-have-to-hate-BJP-no-matter-what types (aka secular), lower middle class, absolute poorer sections, SCs) Non-core voters (Jats due to Hooda, Sikhs due to MMS)
(3) Rest of the voters are split across BSP, JDU and even MDMK gets some votes

This time AAP got BJP's not core voters (some middle class voters who are traditional) and some Congress core (Muslim,lower middle class, absolute poorer sections) and entire congress core ( I-have-to-hate-BJP-no-matter-what types (aka secular) ). In the process BJP also picked up some non-core votes from INC as well.

In summary, we should never consider more than 10% of votes obtained as core vote.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SwamyG » 10 Dec 2013 19:45

Arjun wrote:You could say that I have a fairly low opinion about the bulk of the Indian populace and an convinced that rational argument will not get through to them.


A truly sad comment, especially on Bharat Rakshak Forum. Speaks volume about the member than the Indian population.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Altair » 10 Dec 2013 19:46

Regarding Un-IM-aGINa-BULL tactics What if Rahul baba walks down and literally selects a layman 'a nobody' from a crowd and gives congress ticket?

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SwamyG » 10 Dec 2013 19:48

matrimc wrote:SwamyG, you know what is dominating US airwaves for the last two days - Ukrain and Mandela. The first probably is some kind of color revolution or at least some meddling. The latter is a guilt trip and a sort of confession - intent is to show the world that all along they were for the emancipation of those brutally suppressed under the jackboot of colonial remnants who were powerful nevertheless.

Saar, really who cares about what goes on US airwaves? Did you see how Pranab Mukherjee was briefly interrupted during his speech in South Africa? The guy (I do not know who it was) interrupted Pranab to tell a boisterous band to stop playing and that there were only three speeches left. The guy did not think twice before doing it....I thought wow. Not many countries give a damn about India. That is the reality. And NaMo will change it.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Muppalla » 10 Dec 2013 19:50

Rahul M wrote:kejri to contest against modi.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 6-NOR.html


This will clearly help to put AAP officially as INC-B team. If he stands against Sonia or Rahul, AK can still retain plausible deniability.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SaiK » 10 Dec 2013 19:55

perhaps find out via RTI if AAP has been cued by kangrez channels. is he going to contest from gujarat? i can't imagine a guy like him to shoot himself on the foot twice. 1. the not support bjp, 2. contest against modi.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Arjun » 10 Dec 2013 19:57

SwamyG wrote:
Arjun wrote:You could say that I have a fairly low opinion about the bulk of the Indian populace and an convinced that rational argument will not get through to them.


A truly sad comment, especially on Bharat Rakshak Forum. Speaks volume about the member than the Indian population.

An elaboration of my views out here, in case it is of interest: viewtopic.php?p=1555464#p1555464

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Gus » 10 Dec 2013 19:59

well...what's the latest?

they can't go on like this forever..what is the time limit before something has to be done?

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Arjun » 10 Dec 2013 20:00

Rahul M wrote:kejri to contest against modi.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 6-NOR.html

So this going to be a Modi vs Left Loonies contest in addition to Modi vs the Dynasty....Truly epic responsibility on Modi's shoulders.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Karan M » 10 Dec 2013 20:03

SwamyG wrote:
Arjun wrote:You could say that I have a fairly low opinion about the bulk of the Indian populace and an convinced that rational argument will not get through to them.


A truly sad comment, especially on Bharat Rakshak Forum. Speaks volume about the member than the Indian population.


well people get frustrated..living in india, its very hard at times not to get upset about the sheer lack of civil attributes amongst some people. at the same time, other people or even the same, will then do something humane and entirely opposite that its reaffirming. seriously though, indian population wasted democratic rights and hence elected the wrong folks to power for much of their independence and paid the price, and are only now able to see through the deception, and some, not all. others despite being educated fall for all sorts of fancy tricks and silly gimmickry. hence the rise of AAP.

having said that, even though they may have made these choices, as a apeople they still held to a nation and contributed to its growth and security, despite the politicians. so that too speaks volumes. i remember what kjoishy said the other day - if you were living in the time of the muslim-turk invasions, would you have ever thought that a country like india would still exist and that their faith, hinduism would still exist. so the positives are there. only that i guess we all expect the progress had been much faster and better.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Karan M » 10 Dec 2013 20:12

Arjun wrote:
Rahul M wrote:kejri to contest against modi.
http://daily.bhaskar.com/article-hl/GUJ ... 6-NOR.html

So this going to be a Modi vs Left Loonies contest in addition to Modi vs the Dynasty....Truly epic responsibility on Modi's shoulders.


yup, and the demographic dividend esp. the urban middle class youth which goes to pubs, thinking of an easy tomorrow, is busy anointing kejri as their guru.


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