Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Rudradev » 29 Dec 2013 03:05

People need to stop with the dhoti shivering.

Over the past 5 months: July to December, Modi has been The New Story. Consider from where to where Modi came over that period. He displaced the D4, conducted enormous rallies in every corner of the nation, and rode a wave to PM nomination (coupled with total judicial exoneration in every fabricated case targeted at him in the past decade).

Today the anti Modi media is capitalizing on the inevitable onset of Modi fatigue in the minds of the middle class public, by constructing a new "New Story" around Fordriwal. Modi fatigue was bound to happen sooner or later given the saturation factor. It is actually a good thing that it has happened now. Because there is still another five month period- the same as between July 2013 and now- to go before the general election.

Let Fordriwal have his moment. At the end of the day, everyone recognizes that in terms of substance, Fordriwal's New Story has absolutely no foundation compared to Modi's. 12 years as CM of a state presiding over unparalleled growth and development simply cannot be matched by 36 hours of AAP nautanki.

There are still five months to go. Modi has been scoring all the goals from July to November; the one goal scored by Fordriwal in December is dominating the news today, but it is only half time! From now until May there is time for many narratives to be examined and rewritten; for many voters to really fathom what makes doodh ka doodh and pani ka pani.

Oh yes, the goal by Fordriwal is a sure sign that Modi's team need to up their game, and cannot take sailing to victory against Pappu for granted. But as the media blitz keeps up, the fickle middle class WILL develop Fordriwal Fatigue just as certainly as they developed Modi Fatigue. And from this point, as CM of a coalition govt with the Congress (that he has predicated his entire career thus far on criticizing)- Fordriwal has nowhere to go but down.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby RajeshA » 29 Dec 2013 03:19

Source

Digvijaya Singh had once posed 27 Questions to IAC (Indians against Corruption) concerning Arvind Kejriwal citing RTI Act 2005. IAC answered 9 of these questions.

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Dear Saathis,

IAC HQ is circulating point-wise information concerning 9 of the 27 queries addressed to IAC's "saathi" Arvind by Sh. Digvijaya Singh, spokesperson AICC. These may be used to answer / clarify any questions put to our volunteers/saathis by anyone.

IAC HQ denies that Arvind has violated provisions of All India Service Rules as alleged by Sh.Digvijaya Singh. Arvind has repeatedly applied under provisions of

* The All India Services (Leave) Rules, 1955
* The All India Services (Study Leave) Regulations, 1960
* The All India Services (Joint Cadre) Rules, 1972, etc.

When his applications were malafidely not disposed of in time, Arvind followed the dictates of his conscience in the larger public interest.

Q1: Is it a fact that in your entire service of 20 years in Indian Revenue Service, you never served outside Delhi, even though the norms of the service are that all IRS officers serve a posting only for 3 years in a place‘?

A: The facts, reasons and reasons for Arvind not being transferred out of Delhi are very well known to the Prime Minister and the Finance Minister. Everything which Arvind has "contributed" during his posting at Delhi was "shared" with his senior officers under the Finance Ministry and certainly upto the level of Finance Ministers. Posting within Delhi is not unique to Arvind. Arvind has information of at least 376 other such instances where IRS officers have been posted continuously at New Delhi for more than 10 years. Due to the severe shortage of honest and competent officers with technical skills, Arvind's tenure/postings were repeatedly extended wherever he was posted, approvals followed in due course. Just recently the Income Tax department has again written to the DoPT stressing there is a severe shortage of qualified officers extending to 21,000 vacancies. Sh.Digvijaya Singh may kindly provide, in his next letter to Arvind, all postings of Sh. Singh's good friend Sh.Pulok Chatterji, IAS during past 25 years, including his deputation to serve private NGOs closely associated with Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

Q2: Is it a fact that even your wife, who also is an Indian Revenue Service Officer, has never served outside Delhi?

A: Same as above. Smt. Sunita Kejriwal is a honest and competent officer deputed in sensitive postings like the Serious Frauds Investigation Office under the Ministry of Corporate Affairs. Due to her qualities the SFIO had on its own repeatedly requested her tenure to be extended. Sh.Singh is making such personal allegations to ensure that honest officers are not posted to sensitive offices inquiring into the business dealings of Mr.Singh's cronies. In June 2009 Smt. Sunita Kejriwal was also appointed as the Central Public Information Officer for RTI disclosure of the Serious Frauds Investigation Office. As a consequence of discharging her designated functions in an open and transparent manner, Smt. Sunita Kejriwal was "selected" to go for advanced training in Public Administration at IIPA Delhi in 2011-12 vide DoPT's letter no. 12103/01/2011-Trg dated 27.May.2011

Q3: Is it a fact that any serving officer who goes on a study leave for two years with full pay, has to submit a full report of his study to GOI ?

A: In terms of Regulation 3 of the "The All India Services (Study Leave) Regulations, 1960" such full report is to be submitted in only in the situations covered u/r 3(1)(ii) and 3(1)(iii) therein. This does not encompass Arvind's study leaves. Sh. Singh may kindly refer to DoPT's letter AIS-III dt.9.8.1994 to broaden his knowledge.

Q4: Is it a fact that you didn't submit a full report, but only an interim report to G0I with a promise to submit a full report later, which you never did?

A: Please see answer to previous question and the concerned letter of DoPT.

Q5: lsn’t it a fact that the Service Rules provide that an officer who goes on a study leave has to compulsorily serve GOI for 3 years ?

A: Sh. Digvijaya Singh is advised to again read the aforesaid Service Rules and DoPT's clarifications. The said Rule provides that an applicant for study leave who has previously had long term training abroad must serve the State for at least 2-3 years before the leave is sanctioned.

Q6: Is it a fact that you went on an unsanctioned leave, without permission, after serving for only one and a half year, post the study leave?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letters of recommendation sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC and Smt Aruna Roy member NAC etc.


Q7: Is it a fact that you were transferred to Chandigarh once, but you never joined ?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letter sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

Q8: ls it a fact that you then sought voluntary retirement from service and even without it being approved, you absented from your office ?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letters sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

Q9: As a serving officer of IRS did you take permission of GOl to form your NGO ?

A: Arvind was not associated with any NGO while actively serving as an IRS officer. Doing this would be in violation of the service rules applicable to him.

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The "Hon'ble Chairperson NAC" is of course Sonia Gandhi, and she sent a recommendation letter to PM who passed it to FM that Arvind Kejriwal be allowed unsanctioned leave! I read it somewhere it had to do with some work for some NGO, possibly Kabir, which was funded by Ford Foundation.

Or Kejriwal is simply an idealistic Aam Aadmi! Well I'm not going to fall for that!

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Atri » 29 Dec 2013 03:48

Atish wrote:I love NaMo and hate Prashant Bhushan type leftists. But....

I had tears in my eyes when the young Rakhi Birla (actually from Valmiki tribe rather than a Pilani Birla), gave a full throated Vande Mataram and Bharat Mata ki Jai before taking oath of office. Maybe I was being fanciful but I detected passion and idealism in that voice. Kudos to AK 47 for decimating Congress, for bringing corruption center stage and not the least for solid people like Manish Sisodiya and Rakhi Birla.

NaMo is a blessing sure but AK is not a curse.

Atish.


Regarding AK, the die is cast now.

I have been referring to this, shall I say prophetic, article by Smt. Radha Rajan on Vijayvaani few years ago.

June 4, Ramlila Maidan: Sonia Gandhi’s Night of Shame

Each and every word here is far to important to be highlighted, in my opinion. India and Indians have no idea how close they were to the bastille moment and the anarchy that would have followed in the year of 2011. The treatment meted out to Ramdev and Anna (AK was part of team anna) is the clear give-away. So is the differential mainstream media coverage given to Ramdev and Anna's movement. The way in which team Anna used Ramdev and RSS to gain foothold and later ditched them, too is for everyone to see.

Point is, even RSS wanted and used Anna and Ramdev to an extent because Advani had failed with these very issues miserably in 2009. Ramdev Baba made it very popular and it was a symbiotic (RSS+Ramdev still is) relationiship. The RSS+Team Anna was a parasitic relation and AK was the parasite within Anna's team who later ditched anna as well - Along with him the entire MSM ditched Anna, leaving him high and dry. While I have no sympathies of Anna, the pattern is uncanny. It is system of proxy. The sheer number of cases which establishment have filed against Ramdev shows that he is getting their patloons in twist. AK and Anna are even today treated with kids gloves.

What happened on 4th of June 2011 should never be forgotten. It was an attempt to recreate what happened in 1909 as Rajan explains in this article which failed miserably. The pro-indic forces are doing major course correction and this is creating serious problems for the establishments. The current AK phenomenon is to dampen that impending bang. But I have a feeling that MSM will take AK high up on sierra mountains only to push him down of the cliff. So I am eating popcorn onlee.

But, delhi-bjp ought to up the ante and make sure that AAP is confined (inconveniently) to central delhi alone. Their tally is bound to go down in next elections. Meanwhile BJP should continue cleaning itself.

What happened in the night of June 4 at Ramlila Maidan resembled a scene straight out of Macbeth. No Hindu king or ruler, not even Kamsa and Ravana, has gone so far as to use force of arms against defenseless, sleeping women and children. This is a familiar demoniac Abrahamic characteristic which the non-Christian and non-Muslim world has seen and experienced both in historical and contemporary times.

The UPA government, like Shakespeare’s infamous agents of evil and disorder, used the cover of darkness to arrest Baba Ramdev, physically molest women and children, brutally manhandle the men, and destroy the pandal and its fixtures in an orgy of violence and lawlessness. It is not difficult to guess who played Lady Macbeth.

It may perhaps come as a shock to Sonia Gandhi and her minions in the party and government, but IB sources had already informed a small group of people that Baba Ramdev would almost certainly be arrested; what was unexpected, however, was the insane midnight police assault on sleeping men, women and children. This was surely a plot scripted by a deranged mind; or was it? Judging by the end result – Sonia Gandhi, Digvijay Singh and P. Chidambaram are the most detested persons in the country today – the writer is veering towards the conclusion that there was sure-footed method in the midnight madness. Evil raged on Ramlila Maidan that night.

If Digvijay Singh’s opening statement to the media soon after Sonia Gandhi pushed the button on his back were to be carried to its logical conclusion, then from the fact that Baba Ramdev was arrested in the thick of the night, proves that the Congress is not simply afraid but terrified of what Sonia Gandhi thinks Baba Ramdev represents and symbolizes. The midnight assault on Ramlila Maidan has stripped naked Sonia Gandhi’s ill-concealed and demoniac ambition to rule a country not her own at any cost; it also revealed that someone close to her in government was determined that she will not be allowed to succeed, and in the process exposed to the discerning eye the deep divide between the Prime Minister and his imported boss lady.

While it is imperative for the nation’s collective conscience to be merciless towards Sonia Gandhi and her repeated Italian Mafioso methods to deal with a citizenry not impressed by and even affronted by the colour of her skin, it is just as important to question the rationale which catapulted an ill-equipped Baba Ramdev to political center-stage, and the motives driving the individuals who used the yoga Guru for the purpose.

The issue of ‘black’ money or money taken out of the country to be stashed in banks and garbage bins in safe and secretive tax-haven countries of the world is, of course, a matter of paramount national concern. This is but a manifestation of decades-long endemic greed and systemic corruption in the country’s polity and judiciary; it is ultimately, the country’s purchasable polity and judiciary which allowed the rot to set in and then spread.

The BJP, to its credit, did speak first about this lost national financial asset, and even made it the sole electoral issue during the 2009 Lok Sabha elections. One of the first to write about the estimated volume of illegal money in tax-havens abroad and in Swiss Banks was a professor of finance from IIM Bangalore, Prof. R Vaidyanathan. The Bangalore professor was assiduously cultivated by a Chennai-based chartered accountant who is also a celebrated, if somewhat selective, investigative journalist, and is considered close to Advani. The BJP was compelled to embrace the issue of bringing back illegal money stashed abroad during the 2009 general elections because the party refused to take up any other nationalist cause, and the ideologue used this gaping hole in the BJP’s campaign to prevail upon Advani to make it an election issue.

Advani having distanced the BJP from Hindutva and all other ideology, jumped at the idea because this was in consonance with his own agenda for the BJP – to transform it into a de-Hinduised, governance-over-ideology political party. The writer’s blunt warning to Narendra Modi that the BJP’s election campaign with only the issue of black money abroad as talking point was not setting the nation on fire fell on deaf ears.

While this was undoubtedly a political issue calling for political action, in 2009 it was not an electoral issue because the voting populace had neither been informed nor educated about it then as they are now clued-up. The writer was therefore not surprised when the idea failed to capture the imagination of the ordinary voting populace and BJP suffered thumping defeat in the elections.

The Prime Minister probably as salve to the bruised BJP psyche in 2009, promised to take up the issue seriously within the first 100 days after coming to power. Considering the names of those who had stashed the money abroad, amid suspicions that the Congress leadership may well be topping the list, there was no way he would have been allowed by the Pompadour to pursue the matter even half-heartedly; and the issue which was both real and big died a natural death for want of a delivery mechanism – in this case, state power which alone could have made it possible.

Baba Ramdev’s entirely unexpected foray into the realm of domestic politics through this issue should be seen in this context, and can be attributed to the Chennai ideologue and his penchant to launch innumerable movements and forums as extensions of his own sense of grandiloquent self-importance. Seeing great potential for self-perpetuation in the idea of bringing back money kept abroad, and when the BJP’s campaign failed to get off the ground, this gentleman needed another vehicle, ideally a large vehicle to propel the idea to national center-stage, and who better than the articulate, activist Baba Ramdev with his vast following at home and abroad.

Baba Ramdev was also one of the Founders-Patron of Global Foundation for Civilizational Harmony, a forum created inter alia for Track II international politics of religion. While Swami Dayananda Saraswati and Sri Sri Ravishankar were articulate in English and could be used effectively in inter-faith dialogue in America, Vatican, Europe and UN, Baba Ramdev’s utility and USP were different. Baba Ramdev did not speak Queen’s English, but his spontaneity, his robust and rustic simplicity, his willingness to inform and educate his bhaktas on important national and Hindu issues, besides yoga, and his unmatched ability to mobilise hundreds of thousands of people ready to do their Guru’s bidding without question, made him the natural choice to launch a nation-wide movement. The question begs itself – when individuals seek to use Hindu sanyasis to launch nation-wide movements, should it not have been a Hindu movement around a Hindu issue?

Baba Ramdev was persuaded to spearhead the movement against money taken out of the country, and for as long as the movement was led by Baba Ramdev, it gathered phenomenal momentum as the yoga Guru travelled across the country rousing people’s opinion against corruption and demanding the government take immediate steps to bring back the money.

In Hindu-majority India, when people step out of their homes to participate in a public cause, the ‘people’ are Hindus; and Hindus respond spontaneously and with a sense of their responsibility to the nation when the movement is led from the front by Hindu religious leaders or by leaders who exert moral authority and whose call Hindus obey unquestioningly. This is the Hindu way, and when individuals like Gandhi and the ideologue use ordinary people to power their movements, the Hindu nation has the right to demand that the end objective of the movement serves the cause of Hindu rashtra.

Gandhi used his multi-religious, pluralist prayer meetings where the majority was Hindu to lead the country towards vivisection in 1947; this movement where individuals used Baba Ramdev ended in unmitigated disaster not only for Baba Ramdev himself, but for all those who were deceived into believing that something momentous was happening finally to serve the Hindu cause. The issue of black money abroad, which has now become a part of the national movement against corruption, is in very real danger of losing steam because the duo which used Baba Ramdev to breathe new life into the dead issue had obviously not planned even the mammoth gathering at Ramlila Maidan to the last detail, much less thought beyond the Delhi satyagraha. Such was their touching faith in Sonia Gandhi that they did not think anything could go wrong.

Had there been wider consultations, had the duo consulted thinkers, retired intelligence officers, retired army personnel, and not just adoring sycophants and loyalists, the campaign would not have come to the tragic, abrupt and ignominious end that Sonia Gandhi and her spittle-licking government inflicted upon it.

The issue of black money abroad, while important, is nevertheless not something for which people will lay down their lives, and no matter how earth-shaking the response to Baba Ramdev’s call, it had less to do with the issue and more to do with personal bhakti for their Guru; most important though, the campaign was certain to lose steam because once Baba Ramdev was removed from the venue and his bhaktas dispersed, the government was sure to allow it to die a natural death, all the while making polite and soothing noises about corruption.

The Vigil book on NGOs was a well-researched expose of foreign-funded NGOs and political activists. Subsequent to publishing the book, the website http://www.vigilonline.com opened a webpage for news updates on these and other NGOs, and the notorious band of activists who are unambiguously anti-Hindu in speech, writing and action, and who can be seen preening before media cameras in Sonia Gandhi’s NAC, including in team Anna Hazare and the Lokpal Bill.

The webpage NGO Watch carries detailed analysis of foreign money coming into the country from governments, churches and funding agencies in America and Europe to fund subversive NGOs and anti-Hindu political activists. Prof. Vaidyanathan and Sanjeev Nayyar (of Mumbai) have analysed the dangerous inflow of money into the country from available government data – from the website of Government of India, Ministry of Home Affairs and FCRA.

If the chartered accountant-cum-investigative journalist and his partner in Delhi were planning to use Baba Ramdev to mount a national campaign, surely it should have been presented to the ordinary people as an issue which poses a great threat to Hindus, Hindu religion and the Hindu Nation. This could have been done only by-

- Making the connection between illegal money hidden abroad and foreign money coming into the country
- Making removal of Sonia Gandhi from the political arena as the explicit end objective of the campaign
- Bringing down the anti-Hindu UPA government

This duo wanted to wage what was in actual fact a war against Sonia Gandhi by hiding behind Baba Ramdev. Let there be no doubt that while the issue may be about bringing back money taken out of the country, Sonia Gandhi rightly perceived herself to be the end objective; and the chowki which she usurped from under poor Sitaram Kesri in 1998 and which had seemed invincible, was beginning to rock.

Our enemies have always had a vastly superior understanding of the war against Hindu India than Hindus have had about war or about Hinduism’s enemies.

The small group working from behind Baba Ramdev ought to have known that arraigned on the other side was not Sonia Gandhi the individual, but the Generic Church. The formidable Generic Church (American and European governments, American and European churches, the Vatican and World Council of Churches) stands behind Sonia Gandhi, equipped with all instruments of state, including weapons of war, and creatures of their making - pan-national and international structures and organizations (United Nations; International Court of Justice, The Hague; The International Criminal Court; Human Rights Watch; Amnesty International; Red Cross; American think-tanks) making Sonia Gandhi almost invincible.

But the group behind Baba Ramdev, in choosing not to seek organizational or any other back up support, thought they could get Baba Ramdev to mobilize people to Delhi in tens of thousands by hiding from public view and directing the movement insultingly from the shadows and over the cellular phone.

Sonia Gandhi’s handlers can front her in the war to conquer India without soiling their coattails and without entering the battlefield because Sonia Gandhi has the entire spittle-licking Congress as slave labour to do her bidding; and since 2004, every VVIP sitting in every single high democratic institution Rashtrapati Bhavan downwards, is personally beholden to Sonia Gandhi for his or her current high profile and privileged status. These individuals as price for their undeserved elevation have allowed Sonia Gandhi to tie strings to their fingers and toes, while they themselves are not allowed even an involuntary twitch of muscle or nerve.

Baba Ramdev, in contrast, had no one. Such is the total isolation of Baba Ramdev today that he was carrying on the ill-considered fast alone in his ashram in Haridwar [and had to be removed to hospital on Friday]. But Haridwar is not Delhi and Baba Ramdev is not a politician; he is a Hindu sanyasi. The government is no longer under pressure to placate or punish Baba Ramdev for daring to challenge Sonia Gandhi’s tentacles in Delhi; the government only has to ignore him. Simply put, the government no longer cares if Baba Ramdev fasts or feasts.

This battle was won by Sonia Gandhi only because the individuals who masterminded the movement assumed leadership roles which they did not deserve, and for which they had no competence. Round 1 to Sonia Gandhi, but the war is still far from over.

Every intelligent and politically conscious Hindu must question those individuals who dragged Baba Ramdev to do politics, for publicly and humiliatingly letting down Baba Ramdev, and all those Hindus who had gathered faithfully at Ramlila Maidan on 3rd and 4th June, and all those Hindus who thought (wrongly) that this was some great Hindu awakening.

The writer sat up and took note when all of a sudden Baba Ramdev began to speak publicly, not about corruption in general terms, but specifically about foreign money stashed abroad, and came to the immediate and correct conclusion that the good professor from Bangalore had probably been taken to meet Baba Ramdev to brief the yogi about the need to mount a national campaign against illegal money in Swiss Banks and tax-havens.

This was unquestionably a brilliant move – to get Baba Ramdev to re-launch the campaign which failed in 2009 because the BJP saw it only as an election campaign talking point and not as a war tactic. But, like all other ideas which this duo dreamed up in years past, this too crash-landed because, one, the duo lacks staying ability and two, they have always failed to practice the first rule taught to students of chess who plan to play the game competitively - crawl into the mind of your opponent, work out all possible moves he can make, and work out the next twenty steps for each of these moves. In short, know thy enemy.

A war is not fought and won by flitting from cause to cause every week – cleaning Ganga one week, plight of farmers the second, bringing home illegal money the third and sinking Dayanidhi Maran in the fourth. The war to protect the Hindu Nation from Sonia Gandhi’s Christian colonial rule cannot be fought, much less won, without a battle plan, and certainly not by standing script in hand in the wings of the dais. War is not theatre. But was this group really waging war against Sonia Gandhi and for the Hindu Nation? It would seem not, considering that they are nowhere to be seen or heard since the 4th of June.

The writer has been troubled by the question – did the issue of black money in Swiss Banks and tax havens merit the kind of gathering at Ramlila Maidan, and did this issue merit a fast unto death? Sonia Gandhi’s decision to take forcible charge of the Congress Party and her subsequent rise in national politics, the corresponding weakening of the BJP, compounded by BJP’s floundering sense of self-identity, has had a catastrophic effect on Hindus and Hindu religion. Add to this was her determination to plant loyalists in every constitutional and administrative position in the country; witness -

- The rise of Christian Chief Ministers
- The rise of Christian aspirants for 7, Race Course Road
- The growing visibility of Christians in all important positions within the Congress party
- The craven and cowardly submission of all English print and electronic media to the Pompadour’s will
- The relentless mission of all denominations of the Church to end Hindu religion in its own bhumi
- UPA Government-driven empowerment of Abrahamic minorities in all spheres of public life
- The unending infiltration of Bangladeshi Muslims into the country

Every one of these issues is linked directly either to the rise of Sonia Gandhi in India’s polity, or to foreign money coming into the country. In short, the rise of Sonia Gandhi in India’s polity can be traced to the Generic Church’s politico-religious agenda for Asia. China, South Korea, Japan and India are the prime targets in the Generic Church’s quest for world domination. South Korea is already Christian-majority, Japan has been irreversibly Christianised in its collective mind; China and India alone remain the last bastions against the Abrahamic onslaught.

These issues, including the sudden and steep increase in the volume of foreign money being pumped here ostensibly for social charity, which must be laid squarely at Sonia Gandhi’s door, demanded the kind of national awareness and response that Baba Ramdev created in the country.

On the midnight of June 4, when the Delhi Police crashed into the Ramlila Maidan, nearly 50,000 of Baba Ramdev’s bhaktas had gathered at the venue and another 30-40,000 people were expected on Sunday, 5th June. By any account these are mind-numbing numbers and the anti-Hindu UPA government was put on notice. That the Prime Minister and Sonia Gandhi are no longer on the same side of the Hindu / anti-Hindu divide within the UPA government was until now just suspected in some quarters; it came to the fore as Baba Ramdev and his bhaktas began moving towards Delhi.

On the first day, the Prime Minister sent four Cabinet Ministers, including Minister for Parliamentary Affairs, to receive Baba Ramdev at the airport. This was civilisationally the correct thing to do and the country heaved a sigh of relief. The Prime Minister is a Sikh and after he is done with being Prime Minister, he has to go back to being a disciplined soldier of the Sikh faith and answer to the Akal Takht. The Prime Minister is certain to have remembered the chastening experience of the incumbent Governor of Tamil Nadu and former Chief Minister of Punjab, Shri S.S. Barnala, who was made to sit in the Golden Temple for ten days and as an act of penitence, clean the shoes of bhaktas entering the precincts.

The writer is deeply grateful to the SGPC for asking a highly respected Sikh lawyer in the Supreme Court to withdraw from the case against Pujya Kanchi Mathathipathi. This lawyer was engaged by the then Chief Minister Jayalalithaa; and bhaktas of the Kanchi matham owe an eternal debt of gratitude to this lawyer who abided by the diktat of Sikhism’s highest religious body and refused to proceed with the case. This single act by the Sikh lawyer of refusing to be a part of this asuric act in total obedience to his religious leaders dramatically altered the then prevalent mood in the Madras High Court and in the Supreme Court, and public opinion changed decisively against the Tamil Nadu government.

This country is driven by the tapasya of our dharmic gurus and sanyasis; Dr. Manmohan Singh knew this and therefore sent four ministers to meet with Baba Ramdev; Sonia Gandhi and her spittle-lickers knew it too; that is why an emergency meeting was convened the next day at the Prime Minister’s residence and this time Sonia Gandhi presided with P. Chidambaram and A.K. Anthony in tow.

After this meeting at Number 7, Race Course Road, everything changed. Four ministers became two ministers, and on the second day no ministers at all, only government representatives. The Generic Church stepped in with full might. What was at stake was Hindu India with all its magnificent natural resources; at stake was the vast potential harvest of Hindu souls for Christ, and oil and diamonds, gold and other minerals, the vastly promising perennial rivers and abundant sunshine – all up for grabs.

The Generic Church could not have a Hindu sanyasi threatening Sonia Gandhi and in the process unravelling their plot to eventually control and rule India. And so the resistance had to be broken and broken both insultingly and brutally. This was not Jallianwala Bagh; this was 1909 – the year the British government ruthlessly removed three towering Hindu nationalists, Aurobindo, Tilak and Savarkar, from the polity to facilitate Gandhi taking over the Congress after his rather hasty departure from South Africa. It speaks volumes for the knowledge that Hindus have of their own history that while people compared what happened on June 4 to the Emergency and Jallianwala Bagh, no one saw it as a replay of 1909.

The year 1909 saw the full might of state breaking the backbone of Hindu nationalism; Sonia Gandhi was made to do the same by her handlers. They knew 1909 only too well and therefore knew exactly how to deal with it. It is frightening to know that even intelligent and political Hindus still do not know 1909; those who knew did not prepare themselves or the Hindu community to meet a similar eventuality and once again, ordinary Hindus were let down by their leaders.

The country will never know what transpired between Kapil Sibal and Baba Ramdev; will never know why the activist-ideologue duo did not accompany Baba Ramdev to the Claridges Hotel, and why they were not present in Ramlila Maidan when Sonia Gandhi sent the Delhi Police to arrest Baba Ramdev. There is still no answer why they have not surfaced till now even as this is being written; surely they owe Hindus an explanation about why they dragged a sanyasi to Delhi with his bhaktas and left them all high and dry to fend for themselves after Sonia Gandhi and her thugs were done with them.

This was in sharp contrast to the manner in which Anna Hazare addressed press conferences or when he undertook the fast-unto-death at Jantar Mantar. He was always flanked on both sides by Kiran Bedi, Arvind Kejriwal, Shanti Bhushan and Prashant Bhushan. The entire team was always seen together and there was a transparent distribution of responsibility among them. The circle expanded to include Swami Agnivesh, Mallika Sarabhai, Medha Patkar and Sandeep Pandey – all Sonia Gandhi’s men and women.

Baba Ramdev did not fail; the people who used him failed the Guru and all of us. But while there is reason for despondency and gloom, there are several lessons to be learnt and also several reasons to hope.

The RSS, preoccupied with its annual shibirs which are conducted across the country, obviously was never part of Baba Ramdev’s Delhi Satyagraha. Those familiar with the RSS’ shiksha varga know that all RSS karyalayas throughout the country empty themselves during the months of April, May and June and all swayamsevaks and pracharaks are deputed to the various camps for different tasks and duties.

The same would have been true of Delhi. When tragedy struck Ramlila Maidan on the night of June 4, there would have been no swayamsevak or pracharak in Delhi that night. The BJP had already planned its National Executive meeting in Lucknow on that day. Which brings us back to the question raised earlier – why was there no careful planning of the Delhi satyagraha considering that both the RSS and BJP would not be present in Delhi that night?

As pointed out earlier, our enemies have a far better understanding of Hindus than we have of them. Sonia Gandhi’s handlers would have known that the RSS and BJP top brass would not be in Delhi that night and that is why Sonia Gandhi sent the Delhi Police to Ramlila Maidan even as the Prime Minister’s emissaries were still negotiating with Baba Ramdev. The Prime Minister may not be in a position to tell the nation just yet if Kapil Sibal and Subodh Kant Sahay were reporting to him or to Sonia Gandhi and her minions.

The Prime Minister may also not be in a position to tell us why, if he was engaging Baba Ramdev by day, Sonia Gandhi had to arrest him at night. The Prime Minister is also not in a position to tell us why, if on the one hand he conducts himself with correctness and accords Hindu sanyasis the high respect due to them, Rahul Gandhi’s spittle-licking Digvijay Singh is allowed to run amok enraging Hindus and offending Hindu sensibilities.

This brutal mission of arresting Baba Ramdev and forcibly throwing him out of Delhi and evicting hapless men, women and children, could not have been undertaken during daytime without a violent backlash from the people; that is why in true Gestapo style, in a style befitting Italian Mafioso and Stalinist Russia, 50,000 Hindus gathered at Ramlila Maidan could be brutalised and dispersed only in the dead of the night.

The fact that Hindus will step out of their homes at the call of their religious leaders or to the call of a Hindu cause, is the biggest reason to hope that this war is not over yet. The RSS, the BJP, and our religious leaders must sit down and first acknowledge collectively that Sonia Gandhi and the Generic Church pose the biggest threat to this nation, and the quantum of foreign money which the Generic Church is pouring into the country and Sonia Gandhi’s politics of minority-ism have to be fought with the full might of Hindu power.

The Hindu Nation is losing its people and its territory to the Church and Islam. All three forces have to come together to combat the Generic Church. This cannot be done by our religious leaders without the RSS’ organizing capacity; this cannot be done by the RSS alone without the BJP’s political delivery mechanism and the sanctity and mobilising capacity of our religious leaders, and this cannot be done by the BJP alone without the moral authority of the RSS and the spiritual and religious authority of our sanyasis, Gurus and Acharyas.

We cannot allow individuals to launch nation-wide movements without preparation and without nationalism. It is not enough for the RSS to merely extend ‘support’ to our religious leaders when they step forward to take up a national cause. This is akin to outside support extended by irresponsible political parties and politicians to a government. The RSS must openly take the lead and forge a proactive and invincible partnership with the BJP and our religious leaders if Hindu India is to be saved from going the way of South Korea now, and East Timor and The Philippines before that. The synergy of Hindu religious leaders, RSS and BJP must –

- Demand stopping all foreign money from coming into India. Hindu religious leaders and Hindu organizations receiving foreign money must be prepared to do without it, because money coming to Christian and Muslim groups is the single most destructive power threatening Hindu religion
- Bring down the UPA government at the earliest
- Remove Sonia Gandhi permanently from the political arena, and if possible mount a campaign that any member of this family poses the same threat

Sonia Gandhi is the most detested person in the country today. Our religious leaders, the RSS, and the BJP, must ensure she does not rise again. The time to remove her forcibly from the political arena, like she removed Pujya Kanchi Periava and Baba Ramdev, is now. It’s payback time for the Congress and its imported usurper. Dr. Manmohan Singh may yet be called to account by the Akal Takht. He should now do what he can to make the Akal Takht look more kindly upon him.

If Ramlila Maidan showed us our weaknesses, it also showed us what is possible, and that should bring the Hindu nation together to combat the Generic Church.

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Postby RajeshA » 29 Dec 2013 04:24

Rudradev wrote:the goal by Fordriwal is a sure sign that Modi's team need to up their game, and cannot take sailing to victory against Pappu for granted. But as the media blitz keeps up, the fickle middle class WILL develop Fordriwal Fatigue just as certainly as they developed Modi Fatigue. And from this point, as CM of a coalition govt with the Congress (that he has predicated his entire career thus far on criticizing)- Fordriwal has nowhere to go but down.


He need not go down. All he has to do is to expose a scam Congress, possibly Sheila Dixit, say in March/April and then let Congress withdraw support. MSM would saturate the airwaves with only the scam and Kejriwal, and again boycott Narendra Modi.

Problem is BJP is leaving the initiative in the hands of Kejriwal, Sonia and MSM.

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Postby VikramS » 29 Dec 2013 04:31

A known NaMo-fan defects to AAP
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... the-plunge

RajeshA: Yes the question is of initiative. BJP/NaMo has lost it, while AAP is dictating it right now.

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Postby Atri » 29 Dec 2013 04:49

RajeshA wrote:
Atish wrote:Be reasonable. NaMo and Lincoln and Gandhi have said similar stuff and circumstances forced a volte face. Yah of course time will tell, but your anti AK analysis sounds too much like CT and is not compelling.


What he says is irrelevant. Words have no meaning.

The only interesting thing is his antecedents and who put him there where he is today!


As Shri. Shri Don ji maharaj said prophetically in 1978 which is faithfully chronicled in this link - http://youtu.be/EzdfVk5qgq8?t=50s

that he does not like two types of girls - Those who take too much time and those who take too little time. Just like the time between Don Meeting Sonia and her being in his bedroom was 4 hours only, the time taken by AAP to come in existence and AK being CM is one year only.

Parties take years and decades to do that. When some Sonia reaches don in 30 minutes and some AK becomes CM in one year, either he is Anil Kapur from Phillum Nayak OR something is not right.

I put my money on latter possibility.
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Postby ramana » 29 Dec 2013 04:51

VikramS wrote:A known NaMo-fan defects to AAP
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... the-plunge

RajeshA: Yes the question is of initiative. BJP/NaMo has lost it, while AAP is dictating it right now.


Vikram, The guy is not a clear thinker.
How does he reconcile the AAP getting INC support to form govt but at same time he detests BJP 'collusion with rotten system'!

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Postby prahaar » 29 Dec 2013 04:59

VikramS wrote:A known NaMo-fan defects to AAP
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... the-plunge

RajeshA: Yes the question is of initiative. BJP/NaMo has lost it, while AAP is dictating it right now.


I have interacted with this person on multiple occasions (virtually), and he is definitely a very dedicated smart individual. Based on his thoughts, it may be a good thing if such individuals join AAP, who knows, one day it can be a good counter-weight to Bhushan-types.

But it should also be clear, that before AAP, this person was quite close to JP and never quite aligned with BJP. He may have made pro-Namo statements, but he was never Pro-BJP.

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Postby LakshO » 29 Dec 2013 05:42

Victor wrote:Since AAP has already been given the mandate to govern, why do they need further mandates from SMS? And if this "participatory democracy" is so great, why do we need AAP at all? BJP must insist loudly that AAP do all the heavy lifting by itself and not try to push the responsibility back on Delhites with this bogus model.


A couple of issues with this new fangled concept of direct democracy

1. AAP sends out forms to voters to get their opinion on govt formation with CongI support. How do they plan to do this at the national level? Send out 80 crore forms and count crores of forms when they are returned to know if the majority approve/disapprove the proposal? :shock:
2. If AAP or other political entities begin to rely on SMSs for this direct democracy, why have elections? We can cut down on wasteful expenditure and rely on SMSs. Before this gets approved, full disclosure: I own a dual SIM phone and I can acquire a few more, just before elections 8) :mrgreen:

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Postby VikramS » 29 Dec 2013 05:43

ramana prahaar:

The point was that there are several non-BJP nationalists, who were pro-NaMo (inspite of the BJP) who are now veering AAP.

In Shantanu's case Somnath Bharti is a friend who seems to have roped him in.

The challenge for NaMo is to be able to align the rural-India which is still not above identity based politics, with the demands of issue based politics in urban areas.

Very often these two objectives are in conflict with each other. AAP is attacking the core pillar of BJP support in the urban areas.

It seems among all 'jatis' in Delhi, the Punjabi Khatris voted in most numbers for AAP. Irony is that this is the group which came from Pakistan post partition.

LakshO:

All this SMS, direct democracy is non-sense just to fool people. These votes get /dev/null but excite the faithful that they are making a difference. The faithful are also very excited that there is transparency in fund raising when even on that dump sting it was clear that cash transactions and payments were welcome.

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Postby hanumadu » 29 Dec 2013 06:02

RajeshA wrote:Source

Digvijaya Singh had once posed 27 Questions to IAC (Indians against Corruption) concerning Arvind Kejriwal citing RTI Act 2005. IAC answered 9 of these questions.

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Q5: lsn’t it a fact that the Service Rules provide that an officer who goes on a study leave has to compulsorily serve GOI for 3 years ?

A: Sh. Digvijaya Singh is advised to again read the aforesaid Service Rules and DoPT's clarifications. The said Rule provides that an applicant for study leave who has previously had long term training abroad must serve the State for at least 2-3 years before the leave is sanctioned.

Q6: Is it a fact that you went on an unsanctioned leave, without permission, after serving for only one and a half year, post the study leave?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letters of recommendation sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC and Smt Aruna Roy member NAC etc.


Q7: Is it a fact that you were transferred to Chandigarh once, but you never joined ?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letter sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

Q8: ls it a fact that you then sought voluntary retirement from service and even without it being approved, you absented from your office ?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letters sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

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The fact that he repeatedly refers to records of the PMO shows he is being evasive and does not have a satisfactory answer. Are we the common public go spend effort and time to access PMO records. He could have atleast given a short explanation and then refer to PMO records. Also, he does not take Sonia Gandhi's name even once as if he is scared of taking her name or as if he is hiding something. He keeps saying NAC chairperson, but not Sonia Gandhi, NAC chairperson. Common, think about it. If you were to draft a reply to those questions, how would you do it. Would you have mentioned Sonia Gandhi, Chairperson of the NAC or simply Chairperson of the NAC? Would have simply asked to go look at the PMO records or would you have tried to explain it yourself?

I don't know how people still trust him after he has refused to answer a question on terrorism by Pakistan by saying he would answer it during Lok Sabha polls? Is Delhi not affected by napak terrorism? Are people of Delhi only concerned about their well being and not of the country? Do they not have a right to know what their CM's views are wrt to pak terrorism?

I think BJP took a good decision in not forming the govt and letting fordriwal form it. Since BJP said that PAAP can form a govt, with congress support, it should not now harp on the fact that PAAP is taking congress's support. PAAP can always claim that they are taking congress support but congress has no say in the governance. Most of PAAP supporters are now beyond reasoning. They will be impatient wrt seeing results. They are expecting utopia in Delhi. A significant number of them will be disillusioned within a few weeks to a few months once they do not see any change in ground realities.

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Postby a_bharat » 29 Dec 2013 07:39

RajeshA wrote:
nsriram wrote:Rajesh-ji : My take is that AK is an accidental politician, by virtue of the time he is in and his Delhi based community activism. He is by personality an idealist, and does not have a strong ideology. What he has said in the past can be changed very easily. He is a smart fellow and persistent. He is likeable. He is a real threat, long term to Congress and BJP. There is no grand conspiracy here unless you want to impute one to the people supporting the Anna movement. People are fed up with the Congress and nature abhors a vacuum.


This is where we disagree.

Why would Sonia ask PM in 2005 not to transfer Kejriwal out of Delhi? Why would Ford Foundation fund his NGO? Why would High Command so willingly let Kejriwal run away with their vote-banks? Why would the MSM so obliged to the dynasty dote over this man?

I respect Anna and I believe he meant well. But Anna was simply used as a launching pad to launch Arvind Kejriwal and AAP. If that were not the case, MSM would not have given Anna any camera time at all.

RajeshA-ji,
Sure, there are red flags against AK: Ford Foundation grants (and its CIA links), Sonia's recommendation on preventing his transfer, his preference to go with Cong over BJP, pseudo secularism (Tauqeer Rana issue, comments on Batla encounter), exaggerated media coverage (his feat of winning 28 MLA seats is nothing in comparison to NTR's storming of AP within 9 months of creating TDP -- a state where Cong got 41 MP seats after emergency). Nonetheless, it is not certain whether he is a setup or if he is smartly using the opportunities. For the moment, I give him benefit of doubt based on his idealism and his past life (assuming he didn't pilfer from the NGOs he ran).

BJP should hammer away at AK on the above issues and create doubts in people who might want to give AAP a try because they think BJP is not all that different from Congress. Actually, if AAP were to scale to nationwide, it will also become similar to these parties as it would be drawing politicians from the existing parties.
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Postby Saral » 29 Dec 2013 07:43

prahaar wrote:
VikramS wrote:A known NaMo-fan defects to AAP
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... the-plunge

RajeshA: Yes the question is of initiative. BJP/NaMo has lost it, while AAP is dictating it right now.


I have interacted with this person on multiple occasions (virtually), and he is definitely a very dedicated smart individual. Based on his thoughts, it may be a good thing if such individuals join AAP, who knows, one day it can be a good counter-weight to Bhushan-types.

But it should also be clear, that before AAP, this person was quite close to JP and never quite aligned with BJP. He may have made pro-Namo statements, but he was never Pro-BJP.


Shantanu Bhagwat puts his money where his mouth is. In his note, he is still rooting for NaMo as PM but sees more opportunity to make an impact by joining AAP and making a difference. Frankly many of us here are not pro-BJP, only pro-Modi. Also includes Baba Ramdev. This is just the start of a period of new Indian political startups. Congress and BJP have to change or be part of history within a decade.

Regarding Ford Foundation and grand conspiracy theories.. It is just that. So what if NGOs get US funding. Big deal. All the amounts to date are peanuts. AK is an opportunist/pragmatist with superb political instincts. He will take money from anyone and help of any kind so long as it tallies with where he wants to go. Simple as that.

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Postby Saral » 29 Dec 2013 07:50

a_bharat wrote:BJP should hammer away at AK on the above issues and create doubts in people who might want to give AAP a try because they think BJP is not all that different from Congress. Actually, if AAP were to scale to nationwide, it will also become similar to these parties as it would be drawing politicians from the existing parties.


I disagree. NaMo/BJP should first articulate common ground and paint AK as a do-gooder with his heart in the right place. Let that run in the media for a while.. And then bring him down a peg or two gradually and introduce doubts on various fronts and neutralize any chance of impact before the general elections. Attacking a guy who is highly liked is stupid and will backfire. AK has already changed the dynamics of candidate selection in 2014.

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Postby Saral » 29 Dec 2013 08:00

Rajiv Malhotra also suggests finding common ground approach rather than attack.

Rajiv Malhotra ‏@RajivMessage 10m
If Kejriwal is digested into breaking forces, then Modi needs to tap anti-elitism mood nationwide. Also try to digest Kejriwal into dharma.

Rajiv Malhotra ‏@RajivMessage 23m
Kejriwal tapped into "ANTI-CORRUPTION ==> ANTI-ELITISM" emotional bomb waiting to explode across India not just Delhi. Disrupted old school.

Rajiv Malhotra ‏@RajivMessage 1h
BJP must understand "Kejriwal mood" in public, stop attacking him. Kejriwal must study "Breaking India" forces threatening to digest him

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Postby member_20317 » 29 Dec 2013 08:06

nsriram wrote:Regarding Ford Foundation and grand conspiracy theories.. It is just that. So what if NGOs get US funding. Big deal. All the amounts to date are peanuts. AK is an opportunist/pragmatist with superb political instincts. He will take money from anyone and help of any kind so long as it tallies with where he wants to go. Simple as that.


Peanuts! But the AAP claims that all who criticise it are paid media so why the changed stand when the same media call him the new Messiah. Does it not get paid by somebody when AK is the Messiah?

Though I agree with you. Direct attack on somebody who is so well liked, so innocent, so white would be suicidal for BJP.

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Postby member_20317 » 29 Dec 2013 08:08

Atish wrote:Yah I and Rakhi Birla and all public is all naive.


No, quite to the contrary instead. :)

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Postby member_20317 » 29 Dec 2013 08:14

ramana wrote:
VikramS wrote:A known NaMo-fan defects to AAP
http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.co ... the-plunge

RajeshA: Yes the question is of initiative. BJP/NaMo has lost it, while AAP is dictating it right now.


Vikram, The guy is not a clear thinker.
How does he reconcile the AAP getting INC support to form govt but at same time he detests BJP 'collusion with rotten system'!


Such guys are available a dime a dozen. They always detested BJP. It was only NaMo they could not argue against. Now they feel they can.

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Postby Aditya_V » 29 Dec 2013 09:04

How many people support AAP vision which is not too dissimilar to INC(similair to what Sonia, Indira have done) vision.

1) Increase welfare support massively, nationalize electricity- throughout Ambani, TATA(please see AAP interview), reduce water charges, throw MNC companies from India.

2) Increase Income taxes to fund these schemes, say the top tax bracket increased to 60%

3) massive funding to NGO to play a greater role in society.

4) Give Kashmir to Pakistan as stated by Prashant Bhushan

5) AAP close relationship with NAC

P.S- Practically to become an Income Tax Assessement Officer in Delhi circle is not given on merit but one has to cough up 4 crores for the position.

Why does a hard working IITian after clearing IPS does not get involved in science and technologial fields for development get himself involved in the Financially lucrative area of Income Tax assessment.

Rather than direct attack, get AAP to make more the Ambani TATA comments and talk of Increase in Incoem taxes. Also get Prashant Bhushan to talk more on Pakistan in India Paki Jhaapi meets. This is what BJP should work towards, so more people understand the true AAP message.

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Postby SaiK » 29 Dec 2013 09:13

you know what... create counter aap protesters for protesting against those in front kejriwal's home. let it come from the aam minds itself. :) the power of aam is amazing.. and even aap may not know. after all a well behaved aap is what everyone wants.

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Postby Saral » 29 Dec 2013 09:17

Aditya_V
P.S- Practically to become an Income Tax Assessement Officer in Delhi circle is not given on merit but one has to cough up 4 crores for the position.


What are you implying? That AK got his position by paying off some folks?

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Postby Saral » 29 Dec 2013 09:21

ravi_g wrote:
nsriram wrote:Regarding Ford Foundation and grand conspiracy theories.. It is just that. So what if NGOs get US funding. Big deal. All the amounts to date are peanuts. AK is an opportunist/pragmatist with superb political instincts. He will take money from anyone and help of any kind so long as it tallies with where he wants to go. Simple as that.


Peanuts! But the AAP claims that all who criticise it are paid media so why the changed stand when the same media call him the new Messiah. Does it not get paid by somebody when AK is the Messiah?

Though I agree with you. Direct attack on somebody who is so well liked, so innocent, so white would be suicidal for BJP.


The AAP is a political startup. It may not have fixed opinions or even any opinions on a whole host of issues. They also have to play the media game. They are winging it as they do not have the base of the established parties and hoping like hell they gain traction. The BJP has to target the considerable section who are in the middle and clearly seeking an alternative. This is the segment that AAP is likely to connect to in the coming months and years.

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Postby Comer » 29 Dec 2013 09:41

Good posts Gus, Rudradev, Victor.
I was digging up past articles on AK. Found this in caravan.

After reading in the newspaper about the Right to Information (RTI) campaign being waged by the NCPRI, Kejriwal went to meet Shekhar Singh, one of the group’s founding members, and asked to volunteer.

“He said he wanted to work,” Singh told me. “He looked so impatient—he reminded me of my younger days, when there was nothing I wanted more than a benign dictatorship in this country.”

- See more at: http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/insurgent?page=0,2


Admittedly this is not a direct quote from AK but going by his actions it is not that far fetched to decide he himself thinks like this. Nothing warms the cockles of people like having a people friendly dictator who will crack the whip and fix the system. Heck, I used to think this is the best when I was in school, no doubt influenced by the talkings of elder people in the family. This is the subset of population,especially middle class, that can swing to AAP, IMO. This country has been left aligned from the modern inception and it is difficult to wean them away from it. What's better than a clean cut dictatorial and that too PLU types(engineer not rustic guy) giving doles? It is now "cool" to align yourself with AAP. The closet Congressis can switch to AAP and the others are uncomfortable with "Sanghis" can support them openly. It is like Chetan Bhagat + MTV Roadies + Rang de Basanti. what's not to like :x
Only when two wasted decades later people will realise what a fool's gold it has been. The same teen to people in their twenties who are supporting him will be screwed with lack of any opportunities. Only the people who got their lives bettered because of a window post liberalisation would understand the importance of somebody like Modi but they are few in number.
If a country goes and screws itself atleast there is nobody else to blame.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 29 Dec 2013 09:41

Shri Laloo Prasad Yadav went to his Oath ceremony in a Rickshaw like a Common man. He gave Bihar 15 years of Jungle Raj


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Postby Suraj » 29 Dec 2013 09:50

RajeshA wrote:Q6: Is it a fact that you went on an unsanctioned leave, without permission, after serving for only one and a half year, post the study leave?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letters of recommendation sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC and Smt Aruna Roy member NAC etc.


Q7: Is it a fact that you were transferred to Chandigarh once, but you never joined ?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letter sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

Q8: ls it a fact that you then sought voluntary retirement from service and even without it being approved, you absented from your office ?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letters sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

Very interesting replies. I've career IRS bureaucrats in my family and I've never heard of anyone being posted in one place for 20 years, especially a coveted place like New Delhi. Everyone, including family member gets transferred on a regular basis.

I also find the idea of a person's tenure at a location being extended because of competence, frankly, hard to believe. Very often, *that* is what gets you transferred. IT department, especially, is a politically charged and that kind of longevity in such a high profile place is really... odd.

That said, I'm very interested in seeing if anyone could follow up on those responses and take him up exactly on what he answered, and release all that information into the public domain without commentary. He's a public personality now, and his antecedents on this matter are most... curious.

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Postby Comer » 29 Dec 2013 10:03

Q1: Is it a fact that in your entire service of 20 years in Indian Revenue Service, you never served outside Delhi, even though the norms of the service are that all IRS officers serve a posting only for 3 years in a place‘?

A: The facts, reasons and reasons for Arvind not being transferred out of Delhi are very well known to the Prime Minister and the Finance Minister. Everything which Arvind has "contributed" during his posting at Delhi was "shared" with his senior officers under the Finance Ministry and certainly upto the level of Finance Ministers. Posting within Delhi is not unique to Arvind. Arvind has information of at least 376 other such instances where IRS officers have been posted continuously at New Delhi for more than 10 years. Due to the severe shortage of honest and competent officers with technical skills, Arvind's tenure/postings were repeatedly extended wherever he was posted, approvals followed in due course. Just recently the Income Tax department has again written to the DoPT stressing there is a severe shortage of qualified officers extending to 21,000 vacancies. Sh.Digvijaya Singh may kindly provide, in his next letter to Arvind, all postings of Sh. Singh's good friend Sh.Pulok Chatterji, IAS during past 25 years, including his deputation to serve private NGOs closely associated with Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.



Yes, that's how GOI works. If that is the case there is no need of Lokpal at all since present dispensation is trying its best possible to retain all honest officers so that corruption doesn't happen in Delhi :roll: So AK's honesty can be roughly compared to Pulok Chatterjee by his own admission.

Q6: Is it a fact that you went on an unsanctioned leave, without permission, after serving for only one and a half year, post the study leave?[/b]

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letters of recommendation sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC and Smt Aruna Roy member NAC etc.

Q7: Is it a fact that you were transferred to Chandigarh once, but you never joined ?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letter sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

Q8: ls it a fact that you then sought voluntary retirement from service and even without it being approved, you absented from your office ?

A: All the facts and circumstances concerning this are in the records of the PMO and the Finance Ministry, including the letters sent by Hon'ble Chairperson NAC.

Symbols of transparency and open government who doesn't like special privileges, doesn't specify openly when it concerns himself. Truly shocking. :roll:
Q9: As a serving officer of IRS did you take permission of GOl to form your NGO ?[/b]

A: Arvind was not associated with any NGO while actively serving as an IRS officer. Doing this would be in violation of the service rules applicable to him.

Quoting from http://caravanmagazine.in/reportage/insurgent?page=0,2
At first, Kejriwal kept his role in Parivartan a secret—officially, Manish Sisodia headed the organisation. But the success of the nonprofit further sapped Kejriwal’s interest in his day job; at the beginning of 2001, he took a two-year study leave, with pay, from the IT department and devoted himself fulltime to Parivartan. After reading in the newspaper about the Right to Information (RTI) campaign being waged by the NCPRI, Kejriwal went to meet Shekhar Singh, one of the group’s founding members, and asked to volunteer.

Has Kejirwal denied this report yet?
EDIT: Found the weasel word "active". So Kejirwal can say he wasn't "actively" involved. Someone like Kejirwal exploits loopholes in laws? Pass me the smelling salts. :roll:

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Postby Hari Seldon » 29 Dec 2013 10:23

Namo rally in Ranchi today. Jharkhand is a critical state from the lotus POV.

Count on the angreazi media to bury all news of the rally while raising kejri profile further beyond the stratosphere. I'll scan the hindi news channels instead, today and twitter.

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Postby muraliravi » 29 Dec 2013 10:33

Hari Seldon wrote:Namo rally in Ranchi today. Jharkhand is a critical state from the lotus POV.

Count on the angreazi media to bury all news of the rally while raising kejri profile further beyond the stratosphere. I'll scan the hindi news channels instead, today and twitter.


Hari Sir,

I have my own doubts on whether even hindi channels will telecast his rally, everyone seems to be bought out. Lets see, today's coverage will show us if there are still some channels which are not fully sold out. More importantly, today's content is extremely important. I guess I am wishing against hope, but I want Namo to tell Ranchi's youth loud and clear "AAP fighting corruption in alliance with congress is akin to pakistan fighting against terrorism in alliance with Taliban" He probably should go one step further and say, arrest the damaat if you have guts mr. khujliwal and arrest ms. maino. He needs to set the barrier pretty high for this joker. Of course this does not mean he needs to harp on delhi based politicians when he is at the eastern neck of the country. But he should spare a few minutes to take the punch out of this paid media's campaign for mr. joker.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Prem » 29 Dec 2013 10:40

Industrialist brokered AAP-Congress deal to stop BJP, Gadkari says

http://m.timesofindia.com/assembly-elec ... 061025.cms

NEW DELHI: BJP leader Nitin Gadkari on Saturday alleged a deal was brokered between Aam Aadmi Party and Congress by a reputed industrialist in a hotel to "stop BJP at any cost" from coming to power in Delhi.Training his guns at AAP which formed the government in Delhi, Gadkari also termed it as a "right-wing Maoist party" which wants to "destroy" the democratic system.Addressing a workers meeting, Gadkari said he was told by a reputed industrialist of the country how a deal was brokered at a hotel in Delhi."One of the big industrialists of our country helped make a deal between Arvind Kejriwal and some senior Congress leaders at a big hotel in Delhi. I was personally told about what talks had transpired in that hotel and what all was eaten by the same person""The person who was working as the mediator told me that the policy being made is that BJP has to be stopped at any cost," Gadkari claimed.Attacking Congress, Gadkari said the former is not dreaming of making a government at the Centre anymore and said "since they (Congress) know they are finished, they will have to stop BJP at any cost".
"Congress is now dreaming that since we are finished, we will not allow the BJP to form government and also not let Narendra Modi become the Prime Minister. Understanding this, they (Congress) are making their policies accordingly," Gadkari said.Gadkari's remarks came hours after Arvind Kejriwal, the anti-corruption campaigner, took oath as chief minister.Gadkari charged AAP levels false allegations and that all parties and politicians are corrupt."Then, why do they give tickets to those who do not get tickets from Congress or BJP? ... why do they go to those workers' home ... In politics, politicians do not fall from the sky but come out of the society ... " he said."This is also a right-wing Maoist party ... it wants to destroy our democratic system ... everybody else is corrupt, only they are good. Their truth will also come out in the coming days ... " he said.

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Postby Saral » 29 Dec 2013 11:33

Gadkari is a moron... "right-wing".. really?

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Postby Hari Seldon » 29 Dec 2013 11:36

nsriram wrote:Gadkari is a moron... "right-wing".. really?


+1. lotus should call AAP what it is - "urban, urbane maoists". The binayak sen and NAC type openly naxal connections are obvious to anyone who isn't blind.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 29 Dec 2013 11:41

muraliravi wrote:Hari Sir,

I have my own doubts on whether even hindi channels will telecast his rally, everyone seems to be bought out. Lets see, today's coverage will show us if there are still some channels which are not fully sold out. More importantly, today's content is extremely important. I guess I am wishing against hope, but I want Namo to tell Ranchi's youth loud and clear "AAP fighting corruption in alliance with congress is akin to pakistan fighting against terrorism in alliance with Taliban" He probably should go one step further and say, arrest the damaat if you have guts mr. khujliwal and arrest ms. maino. He needs to set the barrier pretty high for this joker. Of course this does not mean he needs to harp on delhi based politicians when he is at the eastern neck of the country. But he should spare a few minutes to take the punch out of this paid media's campaign for mr. joker.


Well, this is from ETV Bihar. The various ETVs (Ramoji's channels) will ensure wide coverage IMO...
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Postby johneeG » 29 Dec 2013 11:46

Rahul M wrote:johneeG saab, where did I say (or imply) that la-loo is illiterate ? I'm well aware of his degree.

kejri has the same democracy by gimmick policy of la-loo, with a dash of sophistication.


But janaab, where did I say that you said he was illiterate? :P
Saar, thats a very astute observation! Lallu is very good at luring the rural audience with theatrics. So, Fordri seems like an urbanized and 'high-class' version of lallu. Same gimmicks but in different garbs.

nsriram wrote:Shantanu Bhagwat puts his money where his mouth is. In his note, he is still rooting for NaMo as PM but sees more opportunity to make an impact by joining AAP and making a difference. Frankly many of us here are not pro-BJP, only pro-Modi. Also includes Baba Ramdev. This is just the start of a period of new Indian political startups. Congress and BJP have to change or be part of history within a decade.

Regarding Ford Foundation and grand conspiracy theories.. It is just that. So what if NGOs get US funding. Big deal. All the amounts to date are peanuts. AK is an opportunist/pragmatist with superb political instincts. He will take money from anyone and help of any kind so long as it tallies with where he wants to go. Simple as that.


Saar,
I agree with your assessment of Fordri. But, if he is an opportunist/pragmatist who will do anything to get to his goals; what are his goals? How can one believe in the words of an opportunist/pragmatist? He could be saying/doing whatever to get to his goals(which are unclear at best).

He will take money from anyone even foreign shady groups. He will ask for help from people like Tauqeer. His aides are supporters of independence of Kashmir and naxals. He will take the support of kongis to form sarkaar. Is there anything that he will not compromise on?

BTW, what did Fordri achieve as an NGO? What are his achievements before he has become this CM?
Right to Info bill?
Freedom of info was first drafted in 2000. From that time onwards, many states have passed similar bills.
Wiki Link:
The state-level RTI Acts were first successfully enacted by the state governments of Karnataka (2000), Goa (1997), Rajasthan (2000), Tamil Nadu (1997), Delhi (2001), Maharashtra (2002), Assam (2002), Madhya Pradesh (2003), and Jammu and Kashmir (2004).Harayana (2005).

The Shourie draft, was the basis for the Freedom of Information Bill, 2000 which eventually became law under the Freedom of Information Act, 2002.This Act was severely criticised for permitting too many exemptions, not only under the standard grounds of national security and sovereignty, but also for requests that would involve "disproportionate diversion of the resources of a public authority".


And Fordri entered the right to info scene in 2006 after he was awarded a Ford funded award:
Wiki:
Together with Manish Sisodia and Abhinandan Sekhri, Kejriwal established the Public Cause Research Foundation in December 2006, donating the prize money he had received from the Ramon Magsaysay Award as a seed fund.[9] This new body paid the employees of Parivartan.[8]

Kejriwal has used the Right to Information Act in corruption cases in many government departments including the Income Tax Department, the Municipal Corporation of Delhi, the Public Distribution System and the Delhi Electricity Board.[3]


So, saying that Fordri played a role in right to info seems like a stretch to me.

About Parivartan and how it panned:
But Sundar Nagri today—ten years on—bears no sign of the change the idealistic group’s efforts should have borne. If it were the test case for Kejriwal, the failure shows. Choked drains, overflowing sewers, no proper water supply, a PDS system as unreliable as ever, long queues outside the welfare department office—nothing has changed.

“In fact, the situation is worse than before,” says Sonu, of Sundar Nagri’s F-1 block. “The administration is more cunning now, it knows how not to give information under the RTI Act. And now, we are left without any guidance or help.” The Parivartan volunteers are nowhere around. The office is still there, but neighbours say it’s closed most of the time. Parivartan still has two employees—Santosh, a girl from the colony, and Ramashrey—who get their wages from Kejriwal’s other organisation, the Public Cause Research Foundation, though it was against the original principles of Parivartan to accept any funding. In fact, based on a PIL, the Delhi High Court has asked the MHA to investigate by August 30 the foreign funding of organisations Kejriwal, Anna Hazare, Kiran Bedi and others are associated with and the government is putting these organisations’ FCRA licences under scrutiny.

Old associates, too, are disillusioned with the founder. “Parivartan is almost dead,” says one. “We wonder, if he can raise millions for Kabir (another NGO with which Kejriwal is associated) and India Against Corruption, why can’t he ask a few individuals to make donations to Parivartan?”

Some of his critics in the area are unsparing. At the time of writing, Kejriwal was into his eighth day of fasting with Anna Hazare. But Naushey Ali, an activist from Sundar Nagri, asks, “If he can’t bring change to a small area, I wonder how he’s going to change this nation?” As for Kejriwal himself visiting Sundar Nagri, locals say it’s about twice or thrice a year.

(The writer was one of the founder members of Parivartan and worked in Sundar Nagri.)


So, he abandoned the cause midway and moved on. If one goes by this track record then the predictions for his performance in the dilli are negative.

BTW, notice when he was noticed:
In December 2002, the group organised India’s first public hearing on development works in the urban sector. Among the panelists for the hearing were Justice P.B. Sawant, former civil servant Harsh Mander, and activists Arundhati Roy, Aruna Roy and Shekhar Singh. The event proved a game-changer. Over the next few months, the group addressed itself to solving people’s grievances related to the PDS, social welfare schemes and so on. For the man who began the effort, recognition came in 2006: he was given the Magsaysay award in the “emergent leadership” category. The roots of what Kejriwal would go on to become, the underpinnings of his work and his motivations, must be traced to Sundar Nagri.

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He got noticed when he networked with Aruna Roy and others. He got funded from then on. And then an award was bestowed.

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Postby Saral » 29 Dec 2013 12:11

johneeG saar.. point taken.. if AK is seeking to contest LS polls, then one can confirm opportunist/idealist with limited (and often blatantly wrong) visions. This unreal times story makes a similar point http://www.theunrealtimes.com/2013/12/2 ... -engineer/ We will know if AK self destructs or comes out in a new Avatar.

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Postby chetak » 29 Dec 2013 12:32

The kangress may not have had much choice with the AAP


Congress exodus likely in Delhi

The Congress leadership is in a dilemma over lending support to the Aam Aadmi Party in Delhi. Sonia Gandhi had no option but to give her nod to the support, because there were reports that some of Congress' eight MLAs would switch to AAP, as they did not want a re-election. Except for the new PCC chief Arvinder Singh Lovely, Jai Kishen and Haroon Yusuf, whom AAP would not have taken as he was a Sheila Dikshit favourite, all the others were ready to cross over. Out of the eight Congress MLAs, four are Muslims who would not have joined the BJP. Meanwhile, the Congress faces an exodus in Delhi. Abdul Ali Azizi, a former member of the OBC Commission, is said to be in touch with AAP leaders. The AAP leadership too is in need of a Muslim face in the city after failing to get the Muslim vote in Delhi. S.K. Puri, vice president of Delhi PCC, Sukhbir Sharma, general secretary of DPCC and Anil Sharma, ex-corporator are openly talking about joining AAP.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Atish » 29 Dec 2013 12:52

Stick to Occams razor, AK47 is a leftist oriented do gooder but he is a good honest able man. His leftist orientations are not extreme, he is a much better option that the current center left option Congress. He will not hurt NaMo but destroy Congress over time. His antedecents may raise some questions , but its a stretch to call it a foreign funded insidious plan.

All in all a good phenomena.

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Postby Singha » 29 Dec 2013 12:53

This indicates at local level, shiela dixit nd co are now thrown under the tank to keep good terms with aap for grand anti communal alliance post ls polls.higher strategy of war means battles can be tactically conceded to serve bigger aims.

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Postby RajeshA » 29 Dec 2013 13:13

RajeshA wrote:
Atish wrote:Be reasonable. NaMo and Lincoln and Gandhi have said similar stuff and circumstances forced a volte face. Yah of course time will tell, but your anti AK analysis sounds too much like CT and is not compelling.


What he says is irrelevant. Words have no meaning.

The only interesting thing is his antecedents and who put him there where he is today!
Atri wrote:
As Shri. Shri Don ji maharaj said prophetically in 1978 which is faithfully chronicled in this link - http://youtu.be/EzdfVk5qgq8?t=50s

that he does not like two types of girls - Those who take too much time and those who take too little time. Just like the time between Don Meeting Sonia and her being in his bedroom was 4 hours only, the time taken by AAP to come in existence and AK being CM is one year only.

Parties take years and decades to do that. When some Sonia reaches don in 30 minutes and some AK becomes CM in one year, either he is Anil Kapur from Phillum Nayak OR something is not right.

I put my money on latter possibility.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Don was right of course!

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Postby chetak » 29 Dec 2013 13:20

Atish wrote:Stick to Occams razor, AK47 is a leftist oriented do gooder but he is a good honest able man. His leftist orientations are not extreme, he is a much better option that the current center left option Congress. He will not hurt NaMo but destroy Congress over time. His antedecents may raise some questions , but its a stretch to call it a foreign funded insidious plan.

All in all a good phenomena.



If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.............. :)

Too many things are out of sync with this gentleman and his mango party, too many things unexplained or explained very slickly and very suspicious foreign connections along with the corrosive influence of the NAC gang.

I don't see any good coming out of this for NaMo or the BJP.

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Postby RajeshA » 29 Dec 2013 13:20

Singha wrote:This indicates at local level, shiela dixit nd co are now thrown under the tank to keep good terms with aap for grand anti communal alliance post ls polls.higher strategy of war means battles can be tactically conceded to serve bigger aims.


Well Sonia Gandhi is doing same thing to Sheila Dixit, that USA is doing to MMS via Devyani Khobragade.

Once one is a lackey and your whole existence is dependent on somebody else, you can be thrown to the wolves, and you will still be calling out to the same master for help. It is a zero loss strategy.

Sonia Gandhi's assets were secure with Sheila Dixit just as now they are secure with Arvind Kejriwal. In order to bring a third more dangerous player into the game, it is okay to lose a few pawns.


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