Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby Shanmukh » 05 Jan 2014 06:58

Tavleen Singh is superb here. Khujliwala is the Congress' only hope of stopping NaMo.

http://m.indianexpress.com/news/of-rats ... s/1215645/

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Postby disha » 05 Jan 2014 07:46

From the above article:

First, let me give credit to the friend (she knows who she is) who gave me the idea to write a piece on ‘turncoats’. It was at the inaugural of a BJP chief minister and behind us sat an array of famously obsequious Congress sycophants. What were they doing at a BJP gathering in which the loudest cheers were for the hated Mr Narendra Modi? These people, who for years have used ‘secularism’ as their reason for being devotees of the Dynasty and for despising the BJP, had overnight changed their political stripes. Why? For the simple reason that they have noticed that the Congress has virtually conceded defeat. In private conversations and public, senior Congress leaders admit that the only hope they have of stopping Modi is Arvind Kejriwal. When senior leaders start speaking this way, it does not take long for rats and other survivors to get the message.


Was the above inaugural of Vasundhara Raje? If not, which BJP CM?

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Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Jan 2014 08:20

Time to let lotus officebearers know. Those with sangh contacts, pls spread the word about this EC-goog deal.... scary is putting it mildly.

Meanwhile, this pic from 2008 at the swearing in of the first lotus sarkar in south india brings back memories... hopefully such a moment shall happen again after May 16 2014...

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Postby Saral » 05 Jan 2014 08:24

This powerpoint below has it all and makes for interesting reading/viewing. They anticipate most of the predictable objections and address them (on their website). It appears it is revenue neutral.. The percentage of money in high denominations is shocking.. Part of the proposal aims at getting rid of the 500 and 1000 rupee notes and for making cash transactions less than some number transaction free. In any case it is not a short-term proposal and it is the ideas therein that can be discussed.

link: http://arthakranti.org/downloads/finish/5/8

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Postby a_bharat » 05 Jan 2014 09:20

Later, in answer to a question, he was a little more truthful and admitted that there had been domestic factors like the slowness with which projects were cleared by the Ministry of Environment, that virtually reinvented the licence raj. What he did not admit was that his environment ministers acted against his wishes because they believed they were acting on the wishes of Sonia and Rahul Gandhi. What he did not admit was that foreign investors fled when they noticed that his government had introduced such things as retrospective taxes and midstream changes in policy.

Good article from Talveen Singh, but I don't agree with her cribbing about the vodafone tax. I hear this too often on TV shows. If there is one thing that Pranab Mukherjee did right, I think it is this one; the Supreme Court failed to protect national interest.

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Postby ramana » 05 Jan 2014 09:25

Atri wrote:indra shakti is economic collapse + jihad 3.0 + china's expansionism - All three together - these will hit desh from 2015-2020... people should be made aware of what awaits them,


Atri there are couners to each of the prongs of Indra Shakti.

Economic collapse- More freeing of the state controls on Indian economy. Congress raj ahs kept most of the East India Company controls on India. We saw how US ran away when the rupees tanked. This prong will make India self reliant as there wont be dependence on others.
jihad 3.0- All is needed is to let the police do their job which currently is not being done for various reasons
China's Expansionism- Its a travesty to the brave soldiers who fought in Battle of Chusul and had turned the tide when PRC declared ceasefire and Chacha Nehru accepted. Indian military is waiting to settle scores -hisab chukane ka. And who knows what the result will be in Beijing!

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Postby dinesh_kimar » 05 Jan 2014 11:03

Indian military is waiting to settle scores -hisab chukane ka.


OT, but Ramana Gaaru, if PLA has more
> Artillery than us (approx. 17k v/s 4k pieces),
> more locally built systems (3 types of 155mm gun?)
> more Fighters (450 Sukhoi +J11 )
> More Soldires in PLA than IA
> More Money than us
> Already Won Victory over us

Should we not obviously be in Dhoti Shivering Mode?
Wat fact can we claim superiority over them? In Training , for instance ? (Like the Pakis say they are better trained than IA )

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Postby Comer » 05 Jan 2014 11:06

SwamyG wrote:All this talk of one or two regions having a bigger say over the political matters, based on historic reasons, is very odd considering India has a democratic setup now. All the regions and there by states ought to be treated equally. The parliamentary seats is influenced by the population. I have heard people remarking how only UP and Bihar constitute the core India....and the rest are all periphery and were very dismissive about the other regions. I hope BRF does lean towards such sentiments.

UP is politically important because of the number of seats, not because of its history or its people. We should not build aura on any one region and construe messianic/divine/destined/historical reasons for the ascendancy of any one region.

Well said. Greater population == Greater say in things, nothing more nothing less.
As an OT, NE states have been proposing separate timezone for long time now without centre doing anything about it. Now Assam has gone ahead and proposed a new time zone. Any other populous state wouldn't have to wait this long to get their basic wishes fulfilled. It is better to restructure Rajya Sabha so that each state irrespective of the population gets equal number of seats.

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Postby SaiK » 05 Jan 2014 11:12

the reason why massan split house of reps with 100 senators (2 per state) who will be elected for 5/6 year term, and a bunch of congressmen depending on demographics strengths who get booted after 2 years. interestingly the congressmen can make laws, and can't pass it. it requies the house to pass it, with prez veto powers. the check and balances are well played out.

but the people does not have to struggle for parties.. every nook corner in desh we have a party. booze wala party, aam jindabad party, italian pizza party, paki quota party, swindle all gov money party, etc.,, and we have still the kala angrez representing all of them in one haath shot!

people have the choice to vote for policies that concerns them as well.

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Postby johneeG » 05 Jan 2014 11:18

dinesh_kumar wrote:
Indian military is waiting to settle scores -hisab chukane ka.


OT, but Ramana Gaaru, if PLA has more
> Artillery than us (approx. 17k v/s 4k pieces),
> more locally built systems (3 types of 155mm gun?)
> more Fighters (450 Sukhoi +J11 )
> More Soldires in PLA than IA
> More Money than us
> Already Won Victory over us

Should we not obviously be in Dhoti Shivering Mode?
Wat fact can we claim superiority over them? In Training , for instance ? (Like the Pakis say they are better trained than IA )


Saar,
I don't have any idea on this, but these absolute numbers may not matter. What is important is what can be deployed against each other. The entire arsenal cannot be deployed against each other because both Bhaarath and Cheen face other threats and challengers.

Of course, even in those terms, Bhaarath may not be in a good position. But, does Cheen have an overwhelming position to the extent that not only can it give a tactical defeat but even go ahead and occupy substantial territory? If Cheen is not in a position to occupy substantial territory, then it will be a sort of victory for Bhaarath even if Cheen wins battles. And also, Cheen may not want long draining wars because it can create internal revolutions. It would prefer short and big victories. If Bhaarath can deny that, Bhaarath would be safe.

saravana wrote:Well said. Greater population == Greater say in things, nothing more nothing less.
As an OT, NE states have been proposing separate timezone for long time now without centre doing anything about it. Now Assam has gone ahead and proposed a new time zone. Any other populous state wouldn't have to wait this long to get their basic wishes fulfilled. It is better to restructure Rajya Sabha so that each state irrespective of the population gets equal number of seats.


Saar,
why not do away with R-Sabha? What purpose does R-Sabha serve? I understand that the original intention of R-Sabha is to have leading men from different walks of life who can give informed advises to politicians. But instead what is happening is that these posts are used to fill with party loyalists or sponsors who can enjoys the perks of power without getting elected.

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Postby Arjun » 05 Jan 2014 11:25

I hope some agency actually goes out and conducts a survey among IITians and IIM-ites (including alumnii)...and publishes the results. That would tell us rather quickly whether the country has a future at all or is headed to the dogs.

IITians drawn into Narendra Modi vs Arvind Kejriwal battle

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Postby Comer » 05 Jan 2014 11:28

johneeG wrote:
why not do away with R-Sabha? What purpose does R-Sabha serve? I understand that the original intention of R-Sabha is to have leading men from different walks of life who can give informed advises to politicians. But instead what is happening is that these posts are used to fill with party loyalists or sponsors who can enjoys the perks of power without getting elected.

Please no saar, saar.
Yes, it was supposed to be a tempering place where people in the lok sabha don't run away with populist laws and now reduced to giving industrialists and media men a cushy place for parking their thrones. This system can be scrapped.
But we can definitely restructure it with elections(again, as Saik said Amirkhan already has a Senate system) so that only fixed N numbers from each state are elected so that their voices can be heard too. And still have Lok Sabha where majority can have their say. Otherwise people will start feeling disenfranchised.

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Postby Saral » 05 Jan 2014 12:28

Time has come for NaMo to give definitive speeches on single issues comprehensively... Starting with "Corruption" and take out the wind out of various windbags.. Audience can be small but the ideas need to be big and comprehensive such that they will be definitive and remembered for years. He has already articulated this before but in multiple places and in bits and pieces. I found some useful comments by AK47's ex IT boss and am pasting from facebook (Nov 10th, 2013, well before Delhi polls).

Shahid Khan: I feel sad the way Arvind Kejriwal has been going around town blackwashing the entire Income Tax department with fanciful allegations of corruption - mainly for his political purpose and for projecting himself lily white. The media of course has been gleefully lapping it all up. It is so unfair to those of us who have spent a lifetime in this Department fighting both corruption and temptation. That he was a probationer of the batch of which I was Course Director for 16 months, only adds to my dismay. Nobody doubts the existence of widespread corruption in IT department or the Government in general or indeed in any other walk of life in India today, but to score brownie points on the ground that he left IRS and the opportunity to make crores in order to serve public, is to my mind, extremely mean on the part of Arvind besides being unfair to many of his former friends and colleagues. Even when I take him on face value I find most of his solutions, including the janlokpal bill, women commando force, subsidised petrol & electricity etc, juvenile and mere attempt to play to the gallery. Having worked in both the Vigilance & System wings of ITD for long years I can say with some authority that punitive vigilance has hardly ever made any dent on the corrupt. It is the preventive side, namely, elimination of opportunity through simplification of procedures, elimination of discretion, and introduction of e-governance measures which can and does make a notable difference. Issue of PAN cards, Refund Banker can be cited as examples. But the problem is that simplification of govt procedure and introduction of IT Systems is a painstakingly intricate and unglamorous process whereas cursing Income Tax Department from TV Channels is 'sexy'.

Brahma Prakash Gaur: Dear Sir! You have raised extremely valid points. Arvind Kejriwal's (read Anna's) movement has ridden on the crest-wave of popular anger against corruption. It, however, advocates implementation of an extremely punitive regime, contemplated under the Janlokpal. The investigative machinery at the disposal of the Janlokpal will be drawn from the same milieu and is not likely to make any far-reaching change. Hence, there is need for making the existing machinery stronger and more independent. This machinery could itself be made subject to public audit. In effect, Janlokpal will amount to replacing one kind of Inspector Raj with another. Also, a Janlokpal having control over the judiciary may have some unsavoury consequences. An all in one, investigator-prosecutor-judge Lokpal, will ensure that charges levelled by it are always upheld. This will be a serious set-back to the independence, with which the investigating agencies and the judiciary are expected to act. People, who have no idea of anti-corruption work, are unable to see all this. Those, who know, have somehow chosen to keep quiet for fear of being condemned as beneficiary status-quoists. Anna movement has to be lauded for bringing corruption to the forefront of national consciousness. Yet, the measures, this movement suggests, are the response of a society that is unwilling to look within at the causes at the root of corruption. Therefore, it chooses the easier option of not removing the causes for the "wrong" but punishing the "wrongdoers". Sir! as you have rightly indicated, a more mature response would have been to look for greater transparency, through simplification and rationalization of government procedures and processes. This will reduce corruption by taking away the opportunities of corruption. However, any achievement in this regard comes from painstaking work, over a considerable period of time, away from the glare of the electronic media. Hence, these solutions may not appeal to those with ambitions of capitalizing on popular discontent.


Shahid Khan: Thank you Gaur Sahab. You have hit the nail on the head. Punitive vigilance has become meaningless without police reforms and judicial reforms. On an average it takes 12 years even for disciplinary proceedings to run the entire course of investigation to final appeals. The process of vigilance proceedings has become bigger and surer punishment than the punishment itself. Setting up another big police like bureaucracy on top of existing mechanisms of D/As, CBI, CVC, C&AG etc without these reforms will not curb corruption but only raise the stakes. Punitive steps in best of systems can be effective if the malady has affected a small percentage and judicial process is swift not where the percentage is as high as in India. Therefore preventive steps with e-gov initiatives have to take precedence. Unfortunately we have also created a social environment where acquisition of wealth has become the sole criteria of success while means have ceased to be of any relevance, and economy is sought to be propelled through naked consumerism and animal spirits. Is it any surprise that corruption has become viral through the entire body politic of the country- though it is only the politicians and bureaucrats who are getting the mouthful while Media, Judiciary, Corporate houses etc are away from public fury. Point remains that it is an extremely complex multi dimensional issue - which has been reduced to a binary position of 'Lokpal' or 'no Lokpal', which the commercial TV channels are using for increasing their Ad revenues.


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Postby subhamoy.das » 05 Jan 2014 13:24

Indian elections have un-doubtedly moved into presindential mode. All recent elections, where voters choose a decisive leader and not a party - mamata, akilesh, ramana singh, chovan, vasundhara, ak, hv, mizo cm, assam cm, orrisa cm, jj etc... Party no longer matters. if the party has a powerful mass leader then it will win. So this cong(I) strategy of tragetting the party ( BJP ) will have no major effect. They need to target NAMO - which they cannot inspite of their desperate efforts. In 2014 its NAMO vs all regional mass leaders. The BJP campaign is on right direction of holding up NAMO to the masses against all regional leaders. People have started to wonder that this one guy is so powerful that all others have stacked up against him. So NAMO has already become so powerful and becomes more and more powerful as the regional haeynas try new tricks. It is like Simba Vs the hayenas in the Lion King movie. But then NAMO has already become SIMBA.

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Postby subhamoy.das » 05 Jan 2014 13:29

NAMO is the dream merchant of a peaceful and prosperous life in India. No other leader has been able to occupy this position of being a dream merchant. So nobody can really beat him at the national stage in 2014.

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Postby gashish » 05 Jan 2014 13:44

Namo at Raigad..this speech could be powerful!

has it started or is it already over? Any links (the regular ones are not broadcasting yet)?

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Postby panduranghari » 05 Jan 2014 14:57

dinesh_kumar wrote:
Indian military is waiting to settle scores -hisab chukane ka.


OT, but Ramana Gaaru, if PLA has more
> Artillery than us (approx. 17k v/s 4k pieces),
> more locally built systems (3 types of 155mm gun?)
> more Fighters (450 Sukhoi +J11 )
> More Soldires in PLA than IA
> More Money than us
> Already Won Victory over us

Should we not obviously be in Dhoti Shivering Mode?
Wat fact can we claim superiority over them? In Training , for instance ? (Like the Pakis say they are better trained than IA )



They still rely on oil to keep their war machine going. All the string of pearls strategy counts for nothing without oil. Right now US controls oil. Will china replace US in ME? No.

Nuclear is the only way. All we need is Thorium based reactors which are miniaturised. Until then it's solar and wind. Good luck to China for trying to form a global empire without oil.

I am just a dhoti shivering SDRE. Surely these facts haven't escaped the people in power in whatever countries.

There is less to fear from china than from our turncoats and secularwaadis.

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Postby Atri » 05 Jan 2014 15:03

ramana wrote:
Atri wrote:indra shakti is economic collapse + jihad 3.0 + china's expansionism - All three together - these will hit desh from 2015-2020... people should be made aware of what awaits them,


Atri there are couners to each of the prongs of Indra Shakti.

Economic collapse- More freeing of the state controls on Indian economy. Congress raj ahs kept most of the East India Company controls on India. We saw how US ran away when the rupees tanked. This prong will make India self reliant as there wont be dependence on others.
jihad 3.0- All is needed is to let the police do their job which currently is not being done for various reasons
China's Expansionism- Its a travesty to the brave soldiers who fought in Battle of Chusul and had turned the tide when PRC declared ceasefire and Chacha Nehru accepted. Indian military is waiting to settle scores -hisab chukane ka. And who knows what the result will be in Beijing!


Yes, but for counters to be deployed there has to be a political will.. How much maneuvering space can the nehruvian socialists (lets assume against all evidences that there exists a breed of well-meaning patriotic nehruvian socialist/secularist) have in deploying the three solutions above and yet maintain the socialistic posture and distribute freebies?

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Postby muraliravi » 05 Jan 2014 17:31

So its the beginning. Baba Ramdev in the presence of the top BJP leadership openly saying "Taking support from congress is the same as allying with congress and warning people that voting for such parties who claim anti-congressism but take support from congress is same as voting for congress".

I say go one step further and name and shame AAP

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Postby Patni » 05 Jan 2014 18:51

Modi talking about feeling proud of one's root and culture and owning it! Saying that Indian youth is very capable and need is to make one feel proud of rich heritage that India has.

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Postby member_20317 » 05 Jan 2014 18:59

BR is fully committed to Arthakranti now. A prominent a practicing tax professional seen quite often on TV, is willing to consider and is actually supporting it now. The industry was already against a few new provisions of the new Company law. The Land acquisition law is just plain rent seeking.

Auction of limstone mines by Gujarat being held up by the Central Govt. The Boiler inspection certifications. 'Gujarat experience'. NaMo commits in principle too.

BR & NaMo both talking about Indian languages would gladden a few hearts here. And linking that to swabhimaan was simply great.

Was in the market today midday. Heard at least 3 people talking about the Transactional taxation. All three positive. At least 1 was a small business owner (certain minority community :)).

Its NACxalites vs. Bharat Swabhiman Manch now. Excellent.

The 'trackrecord vs. taperecord' comment was to kill for. 'Kale dhan to bhi thik karna hai kala dhan wale ko bhi theek karna hai'.

Paroksha kar vs. Transparent taxation. Subsidy vs. Incentives. BR seems to be making a real effort for a traditionally trained man.

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Postby Muppalla » 05 Jan 2014 19:13

for a populous country like India, transaction tax (actually the term was expenditure tax) should work wonders. With the new technological advances of communications and big data all it needs is tracking all transactions. Even in meagre percentage of tax will get a lot of revenues government. The payer will not mind too much as compared to paying on his earnings.

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Postby RoyG » 05 Jan 2014 19:18

Ram Jethmalani's letter to P. Chidambaram in NDTV money laundering matter

http://www.scribd.com/doc/190072062/Ram ... ing-matter

P. Chidambaram’s reply to Ram Jethmalani and Ram Jethmalani's reply to P. Chidambaram in NDTV money laundering matter

http://www.scribd.com/doc/193677788/P-C ... ing-matter
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Postby Muppalla » 05 Jan 2014 19:22

To be fair and balanced, this expenditure tax was mooted by Vasant Sathe of INC in 90s. This was always on table. This is also major thing of Tea party types in USA.

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Postby member_20317 » 05 Jan 2014 19:45

Muppalla ji, if its controlled at the banker's office then how would the bank distinguish between an expenditure or loan. In which case these guys are probably about the transaction taxation. These guys also characterize it as a transaction tax quite expressly. Whether they are equivocating is something I am yet to read and understand.

I was not out of school in the early 90s and after that could not find time to think along these lines. But the bare mindspace I have given to it, takes me to the opinion that this is an outlier idea but not a no-go zone. At least I a so pareshan with the utter mess of our laws that I would be happy to find a solution even if it comes out of some NGO types getting support from Sant Samaj (crazy combination i agree).

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Postby vivek.rao » 05 Jan 2014 20:48

Arjun wrote:I hope some agency actually goes out and conducts a survey among IITians and IIM-ites (including alumnii)...and publishes the results. That would tell us rather quickly whether the country has a future at all or is headed to the dogs.

IITians drawn into Narendra Modi vs Arvind Kejriwal battle



This IITan @vivekrao is not divided. :D He is all for Modi

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Postby krisna » 05 Jan 2014 20:59

^^^^
They left out the most kummunal of all Manohar Parikkar ruling Goa :mrgreen:

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Postby Hari Seldon » 05 Jan 2014 21:11

TDP posters in Kosta.... interesting or what....

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Postby Arjun » 05 Jan 2014 21:53

vivek.rao wrote:This IITan @vivekrao is not divided. :D He is all for Modi

I think you, me and the many other IITians on this forum in the Modi camp are in the majority. But there is a misrepresentation out in public that Kejriwal holds sway among IITians...This needs to be set right !

As far as IIMs go - any IIM which has significant alumnii supporting AAP policies needs to have its Economics department closed down on grounds of gross incompetence and negligence in teaching ability.

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Postby Vayutuvan » 05 Jan 2014 22:48

saravana wrote:It is better to restructure Rajya Sabha so that each state irrespective of the population gets equal number of seats.

While at it, we should make Rajya Sabha representatives also elected. Currently they are almost toothless and rightly so as they are not elected by aam and thus they are not same as the Senators of the US (which is what you are proposing, I presume).

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Postby Muppalla » 05 Jan 2014 23:38

Hari Seldon wrote:TDP posters in Kosta.... interesting or what....

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When did Modi join TDP? :)

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Postby Comer » 05 Jan 2014 23:57

matrimc wrote:
saravana wrote:It is better to restructure Rajya Sabha so that each state irrespective of the population gets equal number of seats.

While at it, we should make Rajya Sabha representatives also elected. Currently they are almost toothless and rightly so as they are not elected by aam and thus they are not same as the Senators of the US (which is what you are proposing, I presume).

Yes similar to the lines of Senate, they ought to be elected too

But we can definitely restructure it with elections(again, as Saik said Amirkhan already has a Senate system) so that only fixed N numbers from each state are elected so that their voices can be heard too. And still have Lok Sabha where majority can have their say. Otherwise people will start feeling disenfranchised.

And people who can't even convince a small part of the country to select them have no business becoming PM through back door.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Mahendra » 06 Jan 2014 00:58

that chandrababu crook has probably worked it out that the secular skull cap will result in him meeting the same fate as atchutiyanandan shitish kumar

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby harbans » 06 Jan 2014 02:31

I tried understanding the reason why AAP popularity in the student and educated English speaking professional community particularly metro's and small towns etc is growing. Particularly puzzling was the fact that many had hopes on NM. This was certainly not about AKs economic policies, he has none. If at all he has they are Nehruvian dynast. So no Economic policies don't differentiate AAPs politics. Then i thought on Strategic aspects, but then they should have got a kick in their backsides if these yuppies thought about that aspect. So both on Economic Policies and Socialist subsidy-votebank politics AK has nothing to offer. Third thing was the Anti corruption plank. But then very honest leaders have been there. LBS, ABV, Modi, Parrikar a huge number of politicians have been dead honest in their personal probity. Plus on that plank there was nothing much that AK has proven or has to offer as the present shows in his teaming with INC for support.

So the above establishes it is not Economics, not Strategic aspects and not Anti Corruption that attract them to AKs AAP. What really attracts them is the Aamness is the 3 Idiots college kinds sitting in Jeans and shirts round a fire strumming a guitar and singing how bad these Kurta Pyjama clad politicians are and disgust at official misuse of red beacons and official residences. That is the change they see in AAP. A jean clad, English speaking unshaven normal kinds disgusted at these paan chewing Dhoti Kurta pyjama types dominating the political scene. That is exactly the change they see. How can these IIT kinds Jeans-shirt guitar strumming kinds go wrong? You folks must be stupid to imagine this is not change. Serious but this is true. Think deeper and do confirm. :)

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby SwamyG » 06 Jan 2014 05:07

Some of you IITians and Pachdee wallahs, should start IITiansForModi or something like that. If AAP wants a war, give them one - they will not be able to survive for a long time.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby fanne » 06 Jan 2014 05:13

Appeal of AAP is simple. Every upstart youth thinks that he has a chance to be somebody in a party, even get a MLA/MP seat and win and the teach these middle class Indians on how to live and Govern, only if 'they' had a chance and PAAP provides that false hope.


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