Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 21 Mar 2014 03:24

It might be useful for some stats minded members to sutdy the assets being declared by prominent Congress stalwarts like Sibal and put them on twitter.

Compare 2004, 2009 and 2014 disclosures.
And average rise in GDP.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 21 Mar 2014 03:45

Regarding S Sarkar:

Give he credit. She took on the Loomba types in their den. It takes a lot of courage to openly challenge the prevailing narrative in the liberal circles. Her personal integrity was challenged by the commie goons during that period.

In some ways she is playing with fire.

Very few of us have the had the courage to do that.

Give her whats due.

And being a NaMo fan, in no way, implies that you overlook what ails Indic society. What it means is that instead of nihilistic self-flagellation you focus on fixing things.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 21 Mar 2014 04:17

A vote for Modi could make India more Chinese
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/daa87f88-ae0e ... z2wY1ixUQh

For years, Indians have hoped that their virtues will win out in the end. Their country may plod, goes the narrative, but it plods in the right direction. China’s authoritarian system, which operates without the constraints of electors, independent courts or a free press, can dash off in any direction. It is capable of engineering 10 per cent growth year after year (though even that miracle has recently run out of road). Equally, it can produce the disaster of the cultural revolution and may yet conjure an economic catastrophe – say an explosion of the property sector or an implosion of shadow banking. China has only a gas pedal.But what if Indians voted to become more like China? That is one plausible interpretation of the seemingly decisive swing in electoral support towards Narendra Modi, Gujarat’s chief minister and a prime ministerial candidate with Chinese characteristics. If nothing else, Mr Modi, whose leadership style brooks little opposition, has a reputation for getting things done. His supporters, including most of the country’s business leaders, who have flocked to Gujarat to pay homage, praise his decisiveness and hatred of red tape. In 2008 Ratan Tata, whose plan to build the Nano mini-car in West Bengal fell foul of local politics, came to him with a proposal to switch the factory to Gujarat. Mr Modi nodded – and it was done. Modinomics is the triumph of implementation over prevarication.
The parallels with a Chinese-style leadership should not be overdone. But there is at least one other way in which a Modi administration might resemble a Chinese-style approach. Like Deng Xiaoping, who departed from Communist ideology with his pragmatic entreaty to “let some people get rich first”, Mr Modi is more about making the economic pie bigger than slicing it up fairly.Sadly for Congress, its redistributive policies are seen to have failed even by those who are supposed to have benefited. A recent Pew Research Center survey, which polled almost 2,500 people across the country, found that rich and poor Indians, educated and non-educated, urban and rural, want a switch to Mr Modi’s Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata party by a hefty majority. Fully seven in 10 are dissatisfied with the way things are going, and 63 per cent favour a BJP administration over a Congress one. No fewer than 78 per cent have a favourable view of Mr Modi, with just 16 per cent disapproving.Part of Mr Modi’s attraction is that, by sheer force of will, he may be able to override some of the checks and balances of Indian democracy and introduce some of the clearheadness of growth-driven ChinaWhat do people expect from him? Asked which party would do a better job helping the poor, 54 per cent had faith in the BJP, with only 21 per cent selecting Congress. That is surprising given that Congress has funded a food-guarantee programme covering almost two-thirds of the population and a rural employment guarantee scheme ensuring 100 days of subsidised work per household. Similarly, asked which party would be better at controlling price rises, another crucial concern for poor people, the tally was 55 per cent in favour of Mr Modi’s BJP against 17 per cent for Congress.
The crucial point, though, says Jagdish Bhagwati, a prominent Indian economist at Columbia University, is that those 20 years have demonstrated poverty to be a “removable condition”. Indians have unergone what he calls a “revolution of perceived possibilities”.
The world’s largest democracy, with nearly 800m eligible voters, is heading for one of its most uncertain national polls in decades.Increasingly, according to this theory, they may be attracted not to promises of Nehruvian-style equality but rather to the prospect of Deng-style growth. Part of Mr Modi’s attraction is that, by sheer force of will, he may be able to override some of the checks and balances of Indian democracy and introduce some of the clearheadness of growth-driven China. Under a Modi administration, the hope is, land will be cleared, permissions will be granted, and roads and other infrastructure will be built. In this cheerful scenario – far too optimistic, according to his many detractors – he will do for India in its entirety what he has been able to achieve for Gujarat.Of course, India will never really be like China. Mr Modi is a fiery orator who can rouse a crowd – a quality that, at least since Mao Zedong, has hardly been required by unelected Chinese leaders. Nor can India, fractious and with significant power devolved to the states, ever emulate an authoritarian China in which power is concentrated in the centre. And even if, after the general election in May, Mr Modi is crowned prime minister and goes on to wield power more single-mindedly than his predecessors, there will always be one crucial difference with China. If Indians decide that they do not like him, they can always kick him out.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 21 Mar 2014 04:33

^^Briturds cannot digest the fact that their country cannot produce a decisive leader anymore. Besides FT represents the old money, however it masquerades as the voice of business and industry. The old money I.e. Tories hardly find traction anywhere above Birmingham. And the way things are going the south will go out of their hands if UKIP comes into its own.

An in dependant Scotland should be welcomed. It would hopefully bring down the nastiness of the briturds one notch down.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 21 Mar 2014 04:41

NaMo is the biggest supporter of greater devolution of power to states. He is the last person to go for an overly centralized, dictatorial model. If he worked Chinese style, people of Gujarat would not have re-elected him.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 21 Mar 2014 04:45

IndraD wrote:Priyanka Gandhi to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/congress ... 58420.html
if true khujli is turfed against Priyanka

Sachin was asked to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/sachin-t ... 58381.html

If Sachin would be fielded against Advani that would be great. The debate could revolve around appropriate time of retirement, why people are wrong to ask dead wood to retire etc.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 21 Mar 2014 05:09

The bureaucrats in Gujarat who worked under Modi have said that he is decisive, not dictatorial. He listens to different points of view, goes through the files thoroughly and then makes a decision. He also comes up with innovative ideas, and listens to others' innovative ideas, and is not afraid to try them out. Contrast that with someone like A K Anthony, who never makes a decision or takes a risk.

The only 'dictatorial' part of NaMo is that he does not allow the corrupt and inefficient to have their way, just because they belong to the party.

disha · Post by **disha** » 21 Mar 2014 05:24

^^ And further NaMo has little patience for camp followers., lazy bones and dead wood. His take is always "Karo aur Badho" (Do and Grow).

If you notice, he has not allowed a coterie to form around him.

Fanne'ji and Panduranghari'ji - agree on your Swati Sarkar comments. Mine were just observations.

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 21 Mar 2014 05:32

NaMo has acknowledged ex-Singapore PM Goh Chok Tong as a mentor. S'pore is a combo of full-blown capitalism with government owned organizations and social welfare systems (medicare, housing). All this will become more well known after May 16. Most of the invites will be to leaders of east asian countries.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 21 Mar 2014 05:39

ramana ji....

LKA has lot of financial interest in gujarat. His money is parked all over gujarat, including his G'nagar seat. He wont ever move out.

Whatever was played out in MSM was just that.Everyone in BJP knows what LKA is upto.

niran · Post by **niran** » 21 Mar 2014 07:24

IndraD wrote:Priyanka Gandhi to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/congress ... 58420.html
if true khujli is turfed against Priyanka

Sachin was asked to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/sachin-t ... 58381.html

take this, me have solid information from solidly solid source talks are ongoing with sah rukh khan for a congress tikit from Varanasi.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 21 Mar 2014 07:40

VikramS wrote:Regarding S Sarkar:

Give he credit. She took on the Loomba types in their den. It takes a lot of courage to openly challenge the prevailing narrative in the liberal circles. Her personal integrity was challenged by the commie goons during that period.

In some ways she is playing with fire.

Very few of us have the had the courage to do that.

Give her whats due.

And being a NaMo fan, in no way, implies that you overlook what ails Indic society. What it means is that instead of nihilistic self-flagellation you focus on fixing things.

+100. One has to keep in mind it is a staircase model. You either have to take all the steps back to get where you came from. There is magic to forget the path and directly go to destination. It takes time.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 21 Mar 2014 07:48

niran wrote: take this, me have solid information from solidly solid source talks are ongoing with sah rukh khan for a congress tikit from Varanasi.

He will loss big time. He is nobody in-front of Namo in election battlefield.

sunilUpa · Post by **sunilUpa** » 21 Mar 2014 07:56

niran wrote:
IndraD wrote:Priyanka Gandhi to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/congress ... 58420.html
if true khujli is turfed against Priyanka

Sachin was asked to contest against Modi
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/sachin-t ... 58381.html
take this, me have solid information from solidly solid source talks are ongoing with sah rukh khan for a congress tikit from Varanasi.

What???? SRK in Varanasi? AK has better odds than SRK!

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 21 Mar 2014 08:03

CON will put IG's long lost son against NM in varanasi...

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Mar 2014 08:10

As per the IE, putting a Hindu candidate in a muslim majority seat is 'communal politics'.... Re Basirhat, southern WB, home to the Deganga riots...

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... -minority/

Here's why all riots are OK, but only 2002 is evil...

Basirhat Lok Sabha constituency covers Baduria, Haroa, Minakhan, Sandeshkhali, Basirhat Dakshin, Basirhat Uttar and Hingalganj assembly segments. Riot-hit Kartikpur village in Deganga is in Haroa assembly constituency. This area is considered important for the polls after the 2010 riots. More than 500 houses were damaged in the village and a dozen police vehicles were set on fire after clashes erupted between two groups. Army had to be called in.

Trinamool Congress sources claimed Didi did not field Nurul Islam this time because he was portrayed as the “ mastermind” of the riots.

Media maintained perfect radio silence on Deganga. Thank god for social media, word at least got out.

SagarAg · Post by **SagarAg** » 21 Mar 2014 08:42

The unmeasurable amount of "HOPE" Modi ji carries on his shoulders is mind boggling onlee.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 21 Mar 2014 08:57

amdavadi wrote:CON will put IG's long lost son against NM in varanasi...

??

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 21 Mar 2014 09:52

Kakkaji wrote:NaMo is the biggest supporter of greater devolution of power to states. He is the last person to go for an overly centralized, dictatorial model. If he worked Chinese style, people of Gujarat would not have re-elected him.

Absolutely. There's a prevailing narrative that Modi's ascension would be a backward move from a federal structure. That's poorly argued scaremongering that takes advantage of people's lack of familiarity with what a federal structure is, combined with the fact that the Congress involuntarily seceded control of state politics to a patchwork of local parties whom they control through a network of patronage.

While India is a federal polity on paper, it is a unitary system in practice. Decision-making historically has always been top-down, with the central schedule bigger than the states' one. Undefined schedules automatically revert to central control and not state control.

The BJP has in general preferred greater devolution of power to states. This was the case during NDA even before Modi even became a CM. Modi, as a state CM who was constantly hounded by the center, is even more strongly biased towards states rights due to experience.

What the BJP is evolving into in terms of power structure is the old Congress, which itself dominated central and state politics in enough states to ensure its ascension to the center consistently. That's what the scaremongering is about - that BJP is itself gaining control at state and potentially central level. I expect the Congress will continue to raise the bogey of marginalization of states (as defined by marginalization of regional parties).

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Mar 2014 09:55

the INC needs to wither and die in all states(roots,money) for the final stump of the tree to be uprooted and burned.

unfotunately, they are still very strong in some states like haryana, AP, KA, assam. and the pawarful party is just another mask of the INC.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 21 Mar 2014 09:57

US court ask for Sonia's passport copy

negi · Post by **negi** » 21 Mar 2014 09:57

Dildo khan se ghanta kuch na ho paega

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Mar 2014 10:00

US will fall in line only if NDA manages to uproot the congi system and enjoy 4 consecutive terms in power (20 yrs).

uske pehle they will always hedge their bets like all empire builders.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 21 Mar 2014 10:35

Hemu comes in the form of Modi! To kick out the nauseating hordes of the Mongols (er Mughals) and reestablish Swaraj of pure Indic ideas and thought streams. All other 15-minute fame cultures will be relegated to the dustbin and the pure breed Indic race will rise back to the top of the world, a place it has had for many a millenia.

Run o outsiders, run back to your caves in the hills! The sheet intellectual superiority of a pure bred Indic race is beyond the vacuous excuse of a rag picker culture of yours. Run, you shall!

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 21 Mar 2014 10:44

yogi_g,
the above lines read almost like satire that a psec fake lib would write about to caricature the ordinary yinternet yindoo. only...

I'd rather, massa like, the yindooze too couch their rhetoric and organizing principle behind some 'universal' ideals that we hold self-evident: such as spiritual life, spiritual liberty, spiritual truth, and spiritual pursuit of happiness.... Only...

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 21 Mar 2014 10:45

Modi should NOT be compared to Hemu please. Pretty please.

Chandragupta maybe, not Hemu.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 21 Mar 2014 10:48

Is this Bharat finally taking stand against the forces that were unleashed by Hordes from Afghan/Iran/CA/Europe 800 Years back onwards. Is this where the line will be drawn and what was being won inch by inch will be converted into landslide by winning all the 40 Bhairavs.
Will it once again be a false dawn like Hemu/Marathas/RS/ABV or shall the Sun called India rise in all its glory.
I for one am very hopeful and positive that we shall rule once again over India and not be ruled by foreign thoughts and powers directly or indirectly.

à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£ · Post by **à¤µà¤°à¥à¤£** » 21 Mar 2014 10:48

@YogiG Not sure if serious ? Pure bred Indic race ?

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 21 Mar 2014 10:49

Sanku wrote:Modi should NOT be compared to Hemu please. Pretty please.

Chandragupta maybe, not Hemu.

Completely Agree with Sanku ji here. Modi ji is not fighting for any Afghan/Rohella/Islamic ruler of Delhi sultanat against foreign invasion. He is fighting for the soul of Bharat.

Yogi_G · Post by **Yogi_G** » 21 Mar 2014 11:20

Comparison to Hemu only in that it was believed that after he went down the invasions of India took place from Mongols to Nadir Shah to Abdali to British barbarians to Eyetalians. Hemu rising again will indicate reversing this tide and cleansing this nation of Mlecchas from outside.

The Indian civilization is culturally the most superior and I tend to look at it as a race without the baggage of racism. Maybe you can read up more on my blog on this Indic race? Without wanting to advertise it my blog is at indicrace dot blogspot dot in.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 21 Mar 2014 12:25

niran wrote: take this, me have solid information from solidly solid source talks are ongoing with sah rukh khan for a congress tikit from Varanasi.

Bring it on! I want that @#$#@ faced monkey to lose miserably. Hopefully someone will egg-shower him when he is campaigning.

I never hated him less but I'm baying for the revenge on him ever since he robed my Rs.750 in movie Ra-One

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Neela · Post by **Neela** » 21 Mar 2014 12:26

kapilrdave wrote: I never hated him less but I'm baying for the revenge on him ever since he robed my Rs.750 in movie Ra-One .

archan · Post by **archan** » 21 Mar 2014 12:42

It is people like kapilrdave who are responsible for the low standards of bollywood. Seriously you spent Rs 750 on that junk? Apologize to the nation!

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 21 Mar 2014 12:43

NaMo is the biggest supporter of greater devolution of power to states. He is the last person to go for an overly centralized, dictatorial model. If he worked Chinese style, people of Gujarat would not have re-elected him.

True Kakkaji. The arguments Modi=Fascist arise out of sheer intellectual laziness. Modi has stressed devolution of central power, less governance and more government, never strangulated media, fought against the totalitarianism of the emergency. Nothing in his persona indicates a liking to any fascist line of thought. If making elected legislators more accountable is the criteria, then well i prefer that fascism.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 21 Mar 2014 12:50

archan wrote:It is people like kapilrdave who are responsible for the low standards of bollywood. Seriously you spent Rs 750 on that junk? Apologize to the nation!

Was a newly hallaled dulha at that time saar. Couldn't say no. But still I do apologize to the nation!

But since you know it was a junk, how much did you spend?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 21 Mar 2014 12:52

Hemu was a insulting name given by the turki Afghan horde.
his real name was hemchandra Vikramaditya and let us honour him by using it.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 21 Mar 2014 12:55

US court asks Sonia to provide passport copy by April 7
thehindu.com | Jan 17th 2014

A U.S. court has ordered Congress president Sonia Gandhi to provide a copy of her passport as documentary evidence by April 7 to determine if she was in America in September last year when a Sikh rights group claims it had served summons on her in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots case.

Sikhs for Justice (SFJ) claims that Ms. Gandhi was served summons in September last year when she had allegedly visited Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Centre in New York for a medical check-up.

The group has challenged in court Ms. Gandhi’s claim that she was not present in New York in September last year and so was not served with summons or complaint in the human rights violation lawsuit filed against her by the Sikh rights group.

Judge Brian Cogan of Manhattan federal court on Thursday said Ms. Gandhi has not demonstrated sufficiently that she was not in the U.S. between September 2 and 12 last year and should provide some form of documentary evidence, preferably her passport copy, by April 7 to determine whether she was in the U.S. or not.

“The court cannot find that a sufficient showing of non-presence has been made based on the affirmation without plaintiffs having received some discovery to confirm it. Defendant must provide some documentary evidence to corroborate her otherwise-unsupported declaration stating that defendant was not in the U.S. at the time of service,” he said.

“It seems to the court that the easiest way would be for defendant to provide a copy of her passport, showing her most recent entry and exit stamps into and out of the United States, thus demonstrating that she was not in the country between September 2 and 12, 2013,” he said.

SFJ’s rights violation case against Ms. Gandhi in Brooklyn Federal Court hinges on the issue of whether Ms. Gandhi was served summons on September 9 as the group claims or whether she was not present in the U.S. during that time as per her assertion.

Ms. Gandhi has filed a motion in court seeking dismissal of the lawsuit against her citing lack of personal jurisdiction and that she was never personally served with the summons.

Responding to Cogan’s order, Ms. Gandhi’s attorney Ravi Batra said the judge “focused on Gandhi’s sworn declaration, has asked for documentary supporting proof to expedite issue-resolution and not waste time on SFJ-sponsored wild goose chases. Swift justice, when available, is to be cherished, and as attorneys for Ms. Gandhi, we welcome it.”

Mr. Batra has submitted in court a letter written to him on an All India Congress Committee letterhead and signed by Ms. Gandhi.

In the letter, Ms. Gandhi states that contrary to claims made by SFJ, she was not in New York in September last year and was not served summons in the case.

SFJ legal advisor Gurpatwant Singh Pannun said if Ms. Gandhi is not able to provide proof by April 7 corroborating her claim of absence from the U.S., the group would move the court to initiate trial on the merits against her on charges of shielding and protecting Congress party leaders allegedly involved in the anti-Sikh riots in 1984.

Nitesh · Post by **Nitesh** » 21 Mar 2014 13:41

harbans wrote:
NaMo is the biggest supporter of greater devolution of power to states. He is the last person to go for an overly centralized, dictatorial model. If he worked Chinese style, people of Gujarat would not have re-elected him.

True Kakkaji. The arguments Modi=Fascist arise out of sheer intellectual laziness. Modi has stressed devolution of central power,~~less governance and more government,~~ more governance and less government never strangulated media, fought against the totalitarianism of the emergency. Nothing in his persona indicates a liking to any fascist line of thought. If making elected legislators more accountable is the criteria, then well i prefer that fascism.

I guess this is what you were trying to say harbans saar

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 21 Mar 2014 14:19

Thanks Nitesh indeed 'less government and more governance'. The only politician to say this boldly and loudly. The implications of this are stupendously huge. It flies on the face of many career political party/ politicians manifesto's. VP Singh, INC, IAC, AAP and really the whole jing bang of Indian politicians including IG, RG, RG, SG, NAC..all believed in the mantra of expanding government and bureaucracy. I am surprised no MSM prime debate analyzed multiple statements of NM regarding this. These are the kind of debates that would have been worth watching and educating for viewers. But with Rajdeeps, Sagarika's, Barkhas dominating the left pseudo liberal Nehruvian rooted mainstream discourse in the media, one is not going to see sensible discussions.

Adrija · Post by **Adrija** » 21 Mar 2014 14:23

NaMo is the biggest supporter of greater devolution of power to states. He is the last person to go for an overly centralized, dictatorial model. If he worked Chinese style, people of Gujarat would not have re-elected him.

Actually, ironically enough, the Chinese economic revolution was also caused (and is still driven by) by total autonomy to the local party units........the party apparatchik was measured (and promoted) by economic growth in their provinces, and were given the freedom to take all steps necessary to make that happen. That sparked off first an agricultural boom (transfer of land from collective to individual "leased" plots), then a construction and industrialization boom nationwide

That has also now resulted in ghost towns and airports and bridges, but hey, they went from < 500 bn to ~ 9 trn over 20 years

So if someone cribs about Chinese style, I say bring it on..........provinces have far more freedom of action there than in India, and I think that that is the way forward for us as well. Actually even more- devolve and give genuine financial and administrative rights and functions to the first tier i.e. local self-governments such as municipalities and panchayats

Just wanted to set the record straight............OT otherwise so will stop now