Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby Adrija » 21 Mar 2014 14:23

NaMo is the biggest supporter of greater devolution of power to states. He is the last person to go for an overly centralized, dictatorial model. If he worked Chinese style, people of Gujarat would not have re-elected him.


Actually, ironically enough, the Chinese economic revolution was also caused (and is still driven by) by total autonomy to the local party units........the party apparatchik was measured (and promoted) by economic growth in their provinces, and were given the freedom to take all steps necessary to make that happen. That sparked off first an agricultural boom (transfer of land from collective to individual "leased" plots), then a construction and industrialization boom nationwide

That has also now resulted in ghost towns and airports and bridges, but hey, they went from < 500 bn to ~ 9 trn over 20 years

So if someone cribs about Chinese style, I say bring it on..........provinces have far more freedom of action there than in India, and I think that that is the way forward for us as well. Actually even more- devolve and give genuine financial and administrative rights and functions to the first tier i.e. local self-governments such as municipalities and panchayats

Just wanted to set the record straight............OT otherwise so will stop now

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Postby niran » 21 Mar 2014 14:39

Gentlemen of the forum, sah rukh contesting election against NaMo is
as true as China invented Democracy it was made to show the media
mischief in publishing about priyanka Gandhi contesting from Varanasi
just hokus pokus please do not lose anything on it.

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Postby Yagnasri » 21 Mar 2014 15:02

It seems mafia had asked Tendulkar who being money minded said know. Must have advised properly by betting fellows.

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Postby Pranav » 21 Mar 2014 15:11

VikasRaina wrote:Is this Bharat finally taking stand against the forces that were unleashed by Hordes from Afghan/Iran/CA/Europe 800 Years back onwards. Is this where the line will be drawn and what was being won inch by inch will be converted into landslide by winning all the 40 Bhairavs.
Will it once again be a false dawn like Hemu/Marathas/RS/ABV or shall the Sun called India rise in all its glory.
I for one am very hopeful and positive that we shall rule once again over India and not be ruled by foreign thoughts and powers directly or indirectly.


Hmm ... replied here -> viewtopic.php?p=1613529#p1613529

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Postby archan » 21 Mar 2014 15:29

Narayana Rao wrote:It seems mafia had asked Tendulkar who being money minded said know. Must have advised properly by betting fellows.

What can one say, a nominee for the comment of the day!

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Postby Yagnasri » 21 Mar 2014 16:43

543 guy is showing serious concern on tickets given in many seats in various states. It seems that D4 and its supporters are doing serious sabotaging activities everywhere.

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Postby member_22539 » 21 Mar 2014 16:43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo4yai-drM8

Ahmedabad named best city in India for power (and a lot of other good things I might add).

What takes the cake is that a congi is giving the award. All the same, I am sure a few minutes later he will be ready to claim no development in Gujarat.

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Postby muraliravi » 21 Mar 2014 17:49

Narayana Rao wrote:543 guy is showing serious concern on tickets given in many seats in various states. It seems that D4 and its supporters are doing serious sabotaging activities everywhere.


1/2 of his rantings make no sense, take his comments with a bucket of salt. What do you expect BJP to do in JK, they have given tickets to right people. He complains about bijnor as if it was a seat BJP could win

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Postby panduranghari » 21 Mar 2014 18:17

negi wrote:Dildo khan se ghanta kuch na ho paega


Dildo khan. :lol: :lol: that's a new one.

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Postby SwamyG » 21 Mar 2014 18:25

There are only 543 seats, and all aaya rams and gaya rams desire tickets. BJP is bound to make some mistakes. To amateur and professional political analysts all moves reek of CT, deceit, treachery, sadness, defections ityadi. What do they say about problems and a hammer specialist.

Good opponents will utilize the resulting fissures. Part of the game. Congress is not doing great either.

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Postby harbans » 21 Mar 2014 18:28

Exactly what say do the D4 have in ticket allocations?

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Postby Hari Seldon » 21 Mar 2014 19:17

harbans wrote:Exactly what say do the D4 have in ticket allocations?


Enough to hamper things, apparently. Read 5forty3.in

Here's the gist, essentially...

One aspect is almost clear to any unbiased observer of the BJP – that the battle to win 230+ is all but over now, for the party has already given up on many seats even before the first vote is cast. Now it is possibly the battle for 200. At least now Modi should take a leaf out of the Advani parallel of 89; had Advani given into the compromise formulas of many BJP leaders, history would not have been created in 1989. Narendra Bhai should demonstrate the same fearlessness in dealing with elders of BJP today, for he has a historic role to play – the deliverance of India. Individuals like Advani don’t matter beyond Dilli TV studio debates, what really matters and what history will judge you upon is the doctrine that you adapt. Positive Secularism will outlast Advani many times over.


Hard not to feel a tad worried, no? Still, hope springs eternal, they say... Maybe NM ought to play for voteshare rather than seats in this election and then aim for a mid term 2016 type battle by which time he would have sidelined the D$ (hopefully, I mean)?

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Postby KLNMurthy » 21 Mar 2014 19:46

Kakkaji wrote:NaMo is the biggest supporter of greater devolution of power to states. He is the last person to go for an overly centralized, dictatorial model. If he worked Chinese style, people of Gujarat would not have re-elected him.

It is just a sensationalist and confused article by ft. It looks like even the possibility of Modi becoming elected by the Indian people is scrambling their imperialist brains.

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Postby fanne » 21 Mar 2014 20:22

I agree with 543 guy. In two seats (both adjacent from where my family lives and vote), both sure shot seat turned into a sure loss and a maybe due to ticket. In both cases, caste leaders were given seats (and the caste is same as Rajnath's in one case, other being SC, he has hold on only SC and Thankur votes.). These caste leader will carry 100% of their caste votes in each case majority of thakur votes, but they are so polarizing, that non caste and non Thankur BJP voters are having hard time vopting for these guys. Forget about non traditinal BJP voters, they may have voted, but not now.

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Postby member_28502 » 21 Mar 2014 20:22

It's devolution of Economic powers
To make decisions about investment taxes corporate policies
Planning etc at grass root level for locals to decide

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Postby fanne » 21 Mar 2014 20:26

So Sushma and LKA did do lasting damage (if they were blackmailed, they did deliver to the blackmailer). Due to their insistence, Modi had to give up the head of election committee seat (as SS said how can a PM candidate hold two responsibility), it was given to RS and RS being RS, he fukced as he did in 2009 and in UP assembly election before that. I would rather see UPA3 than RS as PM. Only because, if he becomes PM, his damage will be such that BJP may not come to power for next 50 years. He is a small time leader who cannot win all Thakurs from Jaunpur, his home town.

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Postby disha » 21 Mar 2014 20:47

fanne wrote:I agree with 543 guy. In two seats (both adjacent from where my family lives and vote), both sure shot seat turned into a sure loss and a maybe due to ticket. In both cases, caste leaders were given seats (and the caste is same as Rajnath's in one case, other being SC, he has hold on only SC and Thankur votes.). These caste leader will carry 100% of their caste votes in each case majority of thakur votes, but they are so polarizing, that non caste and non Thankur BJP voters are having hard time vopting for these guys. Forget about non traditinal BJP voters, they may have voted, but not now.


^^ Wow. If Indian voters are that stoopid, then they deserve what they voted.

It is like saying, I will vote for NaMo IFF he puts in <insert my favourite caste representative here> as the candidate., otherwise I will <vote for an imbecile to just put a point across>!!

I think Gujarat voters are smarter., definitely - given that AP voted CONgoons and see the result (AP could have overtaken Guj. hands down!!!). TN is not faring any better but at least they do not have CONGoons.

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Postby IndraD » 21 Mar 2014 21:35

was watching M Sisodia on ABPnews live and he said Modi is most corrupt at the moment, and represents combination of corruption and communalism, there seems to be personal vendetta against Modi , acc to them Modi and Ambani are one and same, what ever be the discussion they try to involve Ambani. What is the reason behind?

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Postby RajeshA » 21 Mar 2014 21:55

There is a comment on 5forty3.in wordpress sitem whose author's link points to L.K. Advani's blog in response to the blog post "The 1989 Advani Parallel for Modi in 2014"

Your sense of history is incomplete. Yes 1989 was a milestone, but a bigger milestone was 1977 when we fought against the authoritarian rule of Mrs Indira Gandhi and Emergency. Ask yourself, do you want the BJP to take the same road of authoritarianism? At the end of the day BJP cherishes democratic principles more than simply winning elections. Is winning an election more important than fundamental democracy of a party? When all the voices of dissent are muzzled and only one individual reigns supreme, BJP will have ceased to be a party that it was originally intended to be.


The feeling is that it is indeed from L.K. Advani! If it is the grand old man needs an oxygen flask!

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fanne wrote:Swapnil has owned that he has posed as Advani to post the above comments. Please remove this comment as it is misleading.
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Postby fanne » 21 Mar 2014 22:10

Swapnil has owned that he has posed as Advani to post the above comments. Please remove this comment as it is misleading.

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Postby disha » 21 Mar 2014 22:14

IndraD wrote:was watching M Sisodia on ABPnews live and he said Modi is most corrupt at the moment, and represents combination of corruption and communalism, there seems to be personal vendetta against Modi , acc to them Modi and Ambani are one and same, what ever be the discussion they try to involve Ambani. What is the reason behind?


What is the reason behind a rabid dog barking mad?

With my interactions with Sarah Jacob of NDTV, I just realized that most of this "journos" are "studio bunnies" (tm) - they do not have any clue of "journalism". They just want to sit there and "moralize".

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Postby muraliravi » 21 Mar 2014 22:21

fanne wrote:So Sushma and LKA did do lasting damage (if they were blackmailed, they did deliver to the blackmailer). Due to their insistence, Modi had to give up the head of election committee seat (as SS said how can a PM candidate hold two responsibility), it was given to RS and RS being RS, he fukced as he did in 2009 and in UP assembly election before that. I would rather see UPA3 than RS as PM. Only because, if he becomes PM, his damage will be such that BJP may not come to power for next 50 years. He is a small time leader who cannot win all Thakurs from Jaunpur, his home town.


I think we should not push this theory too far, why do use this logic given by some loonies in MSM. Tell me one ally who will not support Modi for PM if BJP gets 175, but all of sudden will allow RNS to become PM and give support. If RNS is sabotaging BJP, it means he is a sonia stooge to propel UPA3, screwing BJP will not allow him to be PM. So either he is a congress mole or not, rest all i dont believe. I dont think he is a congress stooge by any means (maybe sushma, but not RNS), so this theory of BJP-160 Sushma, BJP-180-RNS, BJP-200 Modi, has no credibility whatsoever.

Mamta et al.. will never touch BJP with a bargepole, RNS or Modi is immaterial, so is the case with SP/BSP. The only party that can support RNS and not modi is JDU, but they will not even get 5 seats this election. SP and BSP will never support a BJP govt, period.. It does not matter who the PM is. So who else is left that will support RNS and not Modi. Naveen will either support or not, it has nothing to do with Modi, did he not walk out on secularitis principles when jinnah lover was PM nominee.

Whether we like it or not, there is a corporate lobby behind Modi and he has heavy support of karyakartas, these 2 are more than enuf to ensure that no other bjp leader displaces him IF BJP has the NUMBERS.

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Postby member_28502 » 21 Mar 2014 22:58

To be brutally frank LKA made money and a lot from Sonia when he was HM and let go Bogors scandal and also allowing Mr.Q to fly away to Thailand

Even Varsha Bhonsle exposed LKA and his daughter in scams

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Postby Manu » 22 Mar 2014 01:22

LKA has many, many faults. Corruption, alas, is not one of them. He never made one naya paisa using corrupt methods. Even Jethmalani will never accuse him of corruption.

Let us not give in to wild speculation and rumour mongering.

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Postby muraliravi » 22 Mar 2014 02:04

Manu wrote:LKA has many, many faults. Corruption, alas, is not one of them. He never made one naya paisa using corrupt methods. Even Jethmalani will never accuse him of corruption.

Let us not give in to wild speculation and rumour mongering.


I agree 100%. Cong is probably blackmailing him with babri demolition report

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Postby fanne » 22 Mar 2014 02:22

or something on PA.

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Postby disha » 22 Mar 2014 02:32

muraliravi wrote:I agree 100%. Cong is probably blackmailing him with babri demolition report


CONgIs should do that., put LKA in jail for babri demolition. Right now is a good time.

Imagine a 86 year old gent who has spent his life living and fighting honestly and at the near sunset of his life is sent to jail on trumped up charges on something which was an expression of national faith. Hindus are not asking for a temple to be constructed in Mecca!

Sometimes truth is simpler than all the CTs., LKA's entire career is in politics and he will play politics. If he wants to go on a higher note he will work hard to go on a higher note. Why fade in sunset meekly when holding out for one more day may change the equation differently? Let NaMo fight his own battles., but look at this way - If BJP/RSS has not evolved a process to elect a leader among themselves, India is the loser!

Since CONgoons did not disband themselves., Nehru failed India by not evolving out of dynasty!! What a pathetic loser., bandied around himself as a visionary statesman and ended up perpetuating dynasty just like any moth-eaten sultanate.

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Postby disha » 22 Mar 2014 02:42

From Chordeep turd-desai (this guys are not journos., they are #mediapimps)

Congress faces desertion ahead of Lok Sabha polls
CNN-IBN | Mar 22, 2014 at 12:47am IST

With just days ahead of Lok Sabha elections, it seems all is not well in the Congress. The party is struggling to find candidates as its trusted generals have refused to fight election. Some Congress leaders even tried to rescue themselves on grounds of ill health while others have made way for their family members.

The latest senior Congress leader to switch sides is the powerful two time Uttarakhand MP, Satpal Maharaj. Maharaj's departure could spell trouble for the Congress government in Uttarakhand which is dependent on independents for survival.

But the immediate worry for the party is the growing number of its MPs moving to the BJP ahead of the 2014 elections. The list is long, first Rao Inderjit Singh in Haryana, D Purandeshwari in Andhra then Jagdambika Pal in Uttar Pradesh, Maharaj is the fourth sitting MP to abandon Congress.
The decision of Finance Minister P Chidambaram to opt out of the Lok sabha battle is also seen to have sent the wrong signal.

While MPs like Mohammad Azharuddin have switched their seats, others like Manish Tewari were reluctant to fight polls. In some states like West Bengal, there are reportedly no takers for Congress seats. The party appears to be losing faith in itself and its ability to win the elections.

But one Congressman who says he is up for the fight to take on Narendra Modi in Varanasi is its General Secretary Digivjaya Singh. Though, the Congress is yet to announce on Narendra Modi.

With less than 3 three weeks left for election, it would be interesting to see how Congress Vice President will hold the party intact.



I am expecting CongI voters to rally behind BJP!

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Postby IndraD » 22 Mar 2014 02:43


pls watch, it is important to know strategy of enemy. Sisodia on ABP. Notice anti modi tirade.
100% media fixing, even I with limited knowledge will tear these goondas apart.

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Twitter debate: Is Narendra Modi wave real


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Postby rajsunder » 22 Mar 2014 04:54

gandharva wrote:Twitter debate: Is Narendra Modi wave real



for out of India folks

http://headlinestoday.intoday.in/progra ... 50622.html

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Postby sunilUpa » 22 Mar 2014 05:39

Wow, I can't believe the Dhoti shivering I am seeing here. Guys, believe in your leader...NaMo...

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Postby subhamoy.das » 22 Mar 2014 08:17

I will say that take a hike for 4 weeks now and come back on 15 May when the general body meeting will be held. Till that time let NAMO and his senior leadership team handle the business. I have actually stopped watching any content related on election in paid media now. Voters have already made their mind. Paid media is doing all kind of effort to en-cash on this once in 5 year IPL X 10 event!

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Postby vic » 22 Mar 2014 08:50

I think LKA and Congress had a deal. Congress will let BJP ride anti incumbency vote to power and will not de-stabilize the Govt. LKA will go soft on scams and while retiring after couple of years appoint Sushma as PM. AAP was created to keep BJP tally low so that they do not renege on their deal. But MODI upset the AppleCart of LKA, SS, Congress and AAP. That is the reason LKA kept quiet on all scams, was ok with low tally for BJP and just wanted to ride anti incumbency to power giving up even the lip service to BJP cadre.

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Postby Singha » 22 Mar 2014 10:01

vic wrote:I think LKA and Congress had a deal. Congress will let BJP ride anti incumbency vote to power and will not de-stabilize the Govt. LKA will go soft on scams and while retiring after couple of years appoint Sushma as PM. AAP was created to keep BJP tally low so that they do not renege on their deal. But MODI upset the AppleCart of LKA, SS, Congress and AAP. That is the reason LKA kept quiet on all scams, was ok with low tally for BJP and just wanted to ride anti incumbency to power giving up even the lip service to BJP cadre.



possible but knowing the congis they would double and triple cross LKA at the last minute and install a Turd Front Govt, burning LKAs PM ambitions one final and painful time :mrgreen: :rotfl:

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Postby member_20317 » 22 Mar 2014 10:20

vic wrote:I think LKA and Congress had a deal. Congress will let BJP ride anti incumbency vote to power and will not de-stabilize the Govt. LKA will go soft on scams and while retiring after couple of years appoint Sushma as PM. AAP was created to keep BJP tally low so that they do not renege on their deal. But MODI upset the AppleCart of LKA, SS, Congress and AAP. That is the reason LKA kept quiet on all scams, was ok with low tally for BJP and just wanted to ride anti incumbency to power giving up even the lip service to BJP cadre.


The way you make all the facts and real/actually voiced wishes, sound like a conspiracy reminds me of this exchange:

Rachel: Okay, you’re coming with me, and I also told them that if we’re still here when they get off that we’ll go down to the cafeteria and have some Jell-O with them.

Joey: (in a hexy voice) Yep! There’s always room for Jell-O…

Rachel: Joey, how do you make that dirty?

Joey: Oh, it’s easy. Yeah, I-I can do it with anything. Watch uh, (snaps his fingers and in a hexy voice) Grandma’s chicken salad…


Abhi tak kahan they aap, bhaijaan. You can make anything sound like anything else.


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