Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 15 Apr 2014 11:28

viv wrote:That seems atrocious that a PM got thrashed -- all said and done one would expect protection of the PM/CM or any high official. He was foolish wrt the war but still the PM. We dont expect people to physically attack MMS either.

If I get a chance, not sure I wont.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 15 Apr 2014 11:30

lots would like to but will refrain either because he is the PM (respect for the post) or because of the security, and the subsequent punishment

Manu · Post by **Manu** » 15 Apr 2014 11:30

Those days, you could walk up to PM, there was no security. It was a simpler time, before modern day terrorism.

niran · Post by **niran** » 15 Apr 2014 11:32

viv wrote:That seems atrocious that a PM got thrashed -- all said and done one would expect protection of the PM/CM or any high official. He was foolish wrt the war but still the PM. We dont expect people to physically attack MMS either.

when you donate your life saving, all your wife jwellery in fact all that was in the house for the cause and find out his highness could not provide any account about what happened then get pumped up or get your sensibilities hurt
Saar zee.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 15 Apr 2014 11:38

niran wrote: when you donate your life saving, all your wife jwellery in fact all that was in the house for the cause and find out his highness could not provide any account about what happened then get pumped up or get your sensibilities hurt
Saar zee.

A certain IAS officer in Karnataka used the jewellery and gold donated by the common folk for the war effort in 62 to get jewels made for his wife. He was a very close confidant of Chacha-ji. Chacha-ji also protected him from the wrath of his superiors (who wanted him dismissed from service, and press charges for misappropriation of gold/money given by people), and got him promotion (whereupon said IAS officer went on to beat up his underlings and force them to sign over their property to him).

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 15 Apr 2014 11:40

Saswati Sarkar ‏@sarkar_swati 3h

Sonia took refuge in Italian Embassy after Indira's defeat in 77 - @kanchangupta http://www.rediff.com/news/1999/apr/23gupta.htm … - she's preacahing patriotism now!

Rajiv Gandhi married Sonia Maino in 1968. Under India's citizenship laws (not framed by Hindu communalists but Congress secularists in the 1950s), she was entitled to seek Indian citizenship five years after her marriage, that is in 1974. But she chose not to register as an Indian citizen for the next 10 years. That could not have been a casual oversight. Indeed, two incidents during these 10 years suggest that it was a considered decision not to repudiate her Italian citizenship.

Let us then go back to those 10 years. During the India-Pakistan war of 1971 (coinciding with the liberation struggle of Bangladesh), under emergency provisions, the leave applications of all Indian Airlines pilots were cancelled so that they could be used for providing logistical support. The only exception was Rajiv Gandhi, a full-time pilot with Indian Airlines. Sonia Gandhi nee Maino, who now claims that she is an Indian till her last breath, flew off to Italy with Rajiv Gandhi and their two children.

While indigenous Indians serving as pilots with Indian Airlines stood by to serve their motherland, Sonia Gandhi nee Maino and family remained in the more congenial surroundings of Italy during the entire duration of the war, returning only after General Niazi had signed the surrender papers.

The other incident, once again resurrected from those 10 years. After news came in that the Congress and Indira Gandhi had been defeated in 1977, Sonia Gandhi nee Maino packed an overnighter and, with husband and children in tow, took refuge in the Italian embassy in New Delhi's Chanakyapuri. It took the combined efforts of Indira Gandhi, Sanjay Gandhi and the other 'bahu' of the household, Maneka Gandhi nee Anand, to convince her to return to the Gandhi home.

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 15 Apr 2014 11:43

It is not that Nehru disappointed - it is just the post of PM needs protection, else in other times too someone can attack a good PM. Like someone said earlier there was less security then, and Nehru probably thought he had enough standing amongst people to go without full protection. Would like to get the date and the original article though.

This and the photo above should go to Nehru thread maybe.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 15 Apr 2014 11:43

Shamlee wrote:
Singha wrote:so that interview definitely hit the mark and caused a lot of damage in oppn ranks.
Did the Aaj Tak interviewer resign over the proven scripted interview with Kejriwal?

No. Punya Prasun Bajpai is still hanging around shamelessly. The dudes in the company who leaked the video got sacked instead.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 15 Apr 2014 11:47

nageshks wrote:A certain IAS officer in Karnataka used the jewellery and gold donated by the common folk for the war effort in 62 to get jewels made for his wife. He was a very close confidant of Chacha-ji. Chacha-ji also protected him from the wrath of his superiors (who wanted him dismissed from service, and press charges for misappropriation of gold/money given by people), and got him promotion (whereupon said IAS officer went on to beat up his underlings and force them to sign over their property to him).

Chacha Jee was the patron saint of all anti-national scoundrels, from Muslim League dudes who stayed back in India to corrupt bureaucrats to deranged communists of all hues like Mani Shankar Aiyer and Krishna Menon. The only people he never liked were Hindu leaders.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 15 Apr 2014 11:56

Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta 10h

Sonia married Rajiv in 1968, was eligible for Indian citizenship by 1973. She felt no urge to be a Bharatiya, a Hindustani till 1983?

Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta 10h

Sonia, who was then Italian citizen, wouldn't let Rajiv be on emergency duty like all IA pilots during 1971 war. She preaches Hindustaniyat!

Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta 10h

Sonia waited till Rajiv's political rise before deigning to accept Indian citizenship in 1983. Yet she lectures India on Bharatiyata!

Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta 10h

The Palace is under siege, a privileged tax-funded life no longer assured, the natives are coming. So this pathetic appeal on TV by Sonia.

Kanchan Gupta ‏@KanchanGupta 10h

@krameshmenon Legally an Italian never loses right to Italian passport.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 15 Apr 2014 12:00

Why a Modi win in India will become a headache for Canada

For the last 12 years, Mr. Modi has been denied a visa to Canada. Ottawa has justified the ban by relying on a provision in Canada’s Immigration and Refugee Protection Act that bars suspected human rights abusers. In 2002, as chief minister of Gujarat – an Indian state of more than 60 million inhabitants – Mr. Modi was in power during religious riots in which 1,000 people were killed, mostly Muslims. Though the Supreme Court of India eventually cleared Mr. Modi of any wrongdoing, his fervent Hindu nationalism and alleged support of what many see as anti-Muslim pogroms poisons his foreign relations.

For more than a decade, Mr. Modi has been totally unwelcome. In fact, he’s been shunned by several other Western countries, including the United States. His banishment has strained relations between Canada and Gujarat, a regional economic powerhouse. More broadly, it has also undercut Canada’s effort to pursue economic relations with the rest of India.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 15 Apr 2014 12:05

Intellectuals at home and abroad stand up against Modi

The usual suspects and busybodies.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 15 Apr 2014 12:07

Guardian has an article by a sepoy earning her keep.

Narendra Modi: Britain can't simply shrug off this Hindu extremist
The UK will also suffer if India elects this far-right activist. We must sever our links with him

It's time Modi became strict with sepoys who write against India and Indians in foreign papers. Can any Chinese dare to do this and survive? We need a Patriot Act or maybe a "Sepoy Act" where people like John Dayal (giving evidence against India to Government of a hostile power) and assorted sepoys licking backsides of goras get their passports confiscated.

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Apr 2014 12:10

SanjayC wrote:Why a Modi win in India will become a headache for Canada

tl;dr : We screwed up by overzealously 'banning' him in the past. Now he may become PM and we don't know how to get out of our self-inflicted hole. Boo hoo.

The Guardian has been completely over the top with Modi bashing. It's two of their most detestable persona in a single individual - a Hindooo fundamentalist AND a Thatcherite/Reaganite by economic view. Fun to read them moan. Their comment section is an excellent place to troll to your heart's content.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 15 Apr 2014 12:10

viv wrote:That seems atrocious that a PM got thrashed -- all said and done one would expect protection of the PM/CM or any high official. He was foolish wrt the war but still the PM. We dont expect people to physically attack MMS either.

Thank devils that he only got thrashed. Likely reaction would have been a "Godsey".

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Apr 2014 12:11

other than nationalist indians whose votes hope to put him in power, Namo is a headache for everyone else it seems

Yayavar · Post by **Yayavar** » 15 Apr 2014 12:15

It will be fun... come may 16th -- but it will be effective only if Namo's party wins enough seats on its own. One hopes for that.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 15 Apr 2014 12:16

SanjayC wrote:Guardian has an article by a sepoy earning her keep.

Narendra Modi: Britain can't simply shrug off this Hindu extremist
The UK will also suffer if India elects this far-right activist. We must sever our links with him

It's time Modi became strict with sepoys who write against India and Indians in foreign papers. Can any Chinese dare to do this and survive? We need a Patriot Act where people like John Dayal (giving evidence against India to Government of a hostile power) and assorted sepoys licking backsides of goras get their passports confiscated.

Listen to the mindset of "We" here
http://youtu.be/UQ_VWpJj0Dw?t=31s

Suraj · Post by **Suraj** » 15 Apr 2014 12:19

The articles themselves are a hoot, and don't bother me at all. But it annoys me a little when Indians post on the comments in genteel, reasonable fact-filled manner. WTH is wrong with these people ? They don't seem to get it at all. Those UK jokers must be mocked relentlessly. Those comments are crying for a certain Swede, Norwegian and Mongolian's perspectives.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 15 Apr 2014 12:22

SanjayC wrote:Guardian has an article by a sepoy earning her keep.

Narendra Modi: Britain can't simply shrug off this Hindu extremist

No need to get worked up about these articles...

The fact that far-left, low-IQ specimens such as Priyamvada Gopal and others are provided a platform in "leading" UK papers like the Guardian & Economist, when these morons have been marginalized even in India media - is simply another reflection of the intellectual decline of Britain...The more that the Priyamvada Gopals who are banished from Indian media, penetrate Britain - the less competitive will British society ultimately become. One can truly depend on leftists to subvert any society that allows them space.

Relax and have popcorn.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 15 Apr 2014 12:39

Why give free publicity to trash like Guardian and others. They all are trying to protect the western assets that have been cultivated in Luytens Delhi since EIC days.
After so much of investment and years, They foresee and rightly so the rise of the Indian Empire under a true Indic and hence the effort to stymie it or at least create enough ruckus for NaMo to change his track and become another MMS (who hoped for a Nobel, while a pliant Modi would hope for western recognition).

I think the real fun would start once Modi Ji declares his cabinet and I hope and Pray that Amit Shah/MMJ/Shourie/Khanduri end up in senior positions while SS etc. wait for the crumbs.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 15 Apr 2014 12:42

Guardian article author studied at JNU.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 15 Apr 2014 12:44

who gets the ministry of external affairs is a important decision. wags say AJ is hoping for it. but I am not too sure he is the dye in the wool hard nosed Indic we need. someone of a less legal/media and more mercantile/transaction based mindset is needed both to manage the West and to engage with the East. AJ is not stern or rude enough.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 15 Apr 2014 12:54

Subbu Swamy is my choice for EAM.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 15 Apr 2014 13:08

Singha wrote:who gets the ministry of external affairs is a important decision. wags say AJ is hoping for it. but I am not too sure he is the dye in the wool hard nosed Indic we need. someone of a less legal/media and more mercantile/transaction based mindset is needed both to manage the West and to engage with the East. AJ is not stern or rude enough.

Jaitley, Rajnath, Sushma (unfortunately), Ravi Prasad, Shourie (I hope), Gadkari, LKA (some token role - not a fan of his lately but given his past he deserves something at least), Shushil Modi ans Rudy will form the core of the cabinet. Not sure what happens to Amit Shah.

I think Jaitley will get finance - other than that who knows? As for Swamy, I still don't know what to make of him.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 15 Apr 2014 13:10

LokeshC wrote:<SNIP>
The WaPo or NYT lady who wrote the Anti Modi article got called "House N****o" by someone and she retorted: Well what about Muslims supporting Modi, aren't they of the same kind? <SNIP>

Well, I shamelessly claim the honor of the above act.

Was used first time against the fellow (some bong guy - Aditya Chakrabotty) who wrote the Guardian article and whom she had tagged in the her tweet. Seems to have hit the right note

AjitK · Post by **AjitK** » 15 Apr 2014 13:12

Neela wrote:Guardian article author studied at JNU.

JNU should be shifted to Sopore, Bastar, Murshidabad or Malappuram. Let them get a taste of the Revolution.

munna · Post by **munna** » 15 Apr 2014 13:15

sunnyP wrote: I think Jaitley will get finance - other than that who knows? As for Swamy, I still don't know what to make of him.

If he wins.. a big if! Punjab spooks reporting a trail of 20%

negi · Post by **negi** » 15 Apr 2014 13:17

Arun Shourie sir should be in the PMO or PM's personal adviser i.e. same power and role as Dynasty ka gulaam Brajesh Mishra.

SaraLax · Post by **SaraLax** » 15 Apr 2014 13:20

niran wrote:
viv wrote:That seems atrocious that a PM got thrashed -- all said and done one would expect protection of the PM/CM or any high official. He was foolish wrt the war but still the PM. We dont expect people to physically attack MMS either.
when you donate your life saving, all your wife jwellery in fact all that was in the house for the cause and find out his highness could not provide any account about what happened then get pumped up or get your sensibilities hurt
Saar zee.

Makes sense sir - The same is the reason why Autowallahs & AAPwallah's in Delhi are slapping Kejriwal.

Autowallah's helped his campaign in a big way - sacrificing their earnings during campaigning for Delhi VS. Common man in Delhi & elsewhere donated their hard earned 5/10/20/50/100 INRs for this guy and Kejri becomes the CM after lots of drama. He then moves into a comfy house in posh leafy place. Then tries to ram rod a stupidly drafted law that asks for too many constitutional rights and deliberately triggers downfall of his own party's rule in Delhi. The autowallah's & low level AAP supporters are horrified to see this happening and start slapping him when Kejri comes back to them again seeking their money & votes for LS elections.

AjitK · Post by **AjitK** » 15 Apr 2014 13:20

Can Arun Shourie spare any time? His son and wife aren't in good health. Tragic story actually.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 15 Apr 2014 13:26

munna wrote:
sunnyP wrote: I think Jaitley will get finance - other than that who knows? As for Swamy, I still don't know what to make of him.
If he wins.. a big if! Punjab spooks reporting a trail of 20%

Munna bhai, he is fully fit for a gubernatorial role, anything else makes people from across the spectrum very uneasy.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 15 Apr 2014 13:29

Arjun wrote: The fact that far-left, low-IQ specimens such as Priyamvada Gopal and others ....

How come these left-libs almost invariably have got beautiful indic names?

munna · Post by **munna** » 15 Apr 2014 13:35

AjayKK wrote:
Munna bhai, he is fully fit for a gubernatorial role, anything else makes people from across the spectrum very uneasy.

Feel sad to see a sure-shot seat turn into a dicey one. Muzzling Sidhu was an absolutely mindless act of central BJP, one that was not reversed by even Modi. An emergency measure suggested 2 months ago was for entire set of BJP ministers to resign from state cabinet and create a shadow play between SAD and BJP thereby consolidating respective electorates. But....

vic · Post by **vic** » 15 Apr 2014 13:49

The extreme shameless and continuing arrogance of dynasty is strong indicator that they have assurance from powerful BJP insiders that they will not be touched.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 15 Apr 2014 13:57

Does anyone Arun Singh? He was Rajiv Gandhi's Doon School buddie but was also employed by ABV to do a research study on Indian Defence. He can be brought back if available

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 15 Apr 2014 13:59

Modi in his speeches talked about a subsidy given for export of meat by the Union govt. He also spoke about a ban on cotton exports, again imposed by the Union govt. When the new govt comes to power, will these two decisions be reversed i.e. remove the subsidy on meat exports and subsidise cotton export (value added)?

SaraLax · Post by **SaraLax** » 15 Apr 2014 14:08

Paul wrote:Does anyone Arun Singh? He was Rajiv Gandhi's Doon School buddie but was also employed by ABV to do a research study on Indian Defence. He can be brought back if available

sir - if i am not mistaken ...he is no more.

munna · Post by **munna** » 15 Apr 2014 14:10

SaraLax wrote: sir - if i am not mistaken ...he is no more.

You are mistaken about Arun Nehru. He is alive, Arun's a recluse.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 15 Apr 2014 14:11

vic wrote:The extreme shameless and continuing arrogance of dynasty is strong indicator that they have assurance from powerful BJP insiders that they will not be touched.

AJ and RNS for sure.