Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby RamaY » 26 Apr 2014 05:12

Watch at 5:00 as Vajpayee talks about Raj Dharma. Modi was next to him and prompted Vajpayee on Rajdharm :eek:

http://ibnlive.in.com/videos/467631/kin ... polls.html

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Postby Agnimitra » 26 Apr 2014 06:19

Modi, media and the theology of apology
The Indian media narrative has followed the Christian script of the West on the apology-redemption track while Modi is responding from an Indian cultural lens.

Western Secularism is essentially Christianity without the Church. It grew out of the Protestant Reformation and then beyond, so its philosophical and behavioral parameters are defined by that historical experience. In the Indian context, that easily devolves into pseudo-secularism, because our historical experience is very different. Indic Secularism ought to be fashioned on different philosophical fundamentals and behavioral etiquette.

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Postby Kakkaji » 26 Apr 2014 07:24

IMHO Arun Jaitley should have contested from a constituency in Delhi, against a Congress stalwart like Kapil Sibal or Ajay Maken. AJ is an out-and-out Delhiwala. Punjab is not his home ground.

Since he is already in the Rajya Sabha, he can hang on to that and become a minister even if he loses in Amritsar for Lok Sabha.

Re. what munnaji has said about the heartburn in the Punjab BJP, I think it is a passing phase. The Akalis, along with Shiv Sena, are the oldest allies of BJP, from their 'untouchable' days. Therefore they have to be accommodated for now, some time at the expense of the local BJP units.

Longer term, both the Akalis and Shiv Sena have become family concerns, which dilutes their ideological moorings. They will lose their support base slowly. The BJP will have to work hard to grab the floating voters that such allied parties lose. Given the situation that munnaji has described in Punjab, the Akalis will lose the next Vidhan Sabha election and the Congress will come back to power there. That will be the time for the state BJP to rebuild itself because the Akalis won't be able to, as Parkash Singh Badal is getting too old, and their will be a revolt in the Akali Dal against the Badal son and son-in-law once they are out of power.

In the meantime, after NaMo comes to power at the center, he and his team will have to cut out a lot of deadwood from the BJP organization at the center and in the states. Maybe appropriate sinecures will have to be found for a lot of 'oldies' in the BJP who are out of touch with what the party cadre wants now.

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Postby member_22733 » 26 Apr 2014 08:24

Agnimitra wrote:Modi, media and the theology of apology
The Indian media narrative has followed the Christian script of the West on the apology-redemption track while Modi is responding from an Indian cultural lens.

Western Secularism is essentially Christianity without the Church. It grew out of the Protestant Reformation and then beyond, so its philosophical and behavioral parameters are defined by that historical experience. In the Indian context, that easily devolves into pseudo-secularism, because our historical experience is very different. Indic Secularism ought to be fashioned on different philosophical fundamentals and behavioral etiquette.


+ 1 million. I keep harping on this. Our 'intellectuals', if you can call these clown by that name, have two issues. They have inherited a framework of thinking from the West in which the west is obviously a pristine-can-do-no-wrong entity. They get awed by this and then fuel their own inferiority complex and self-hatred. Which then translates into hatred of indic self-expression by anyone (Modi claiming he is Hindu causing Khujli with libtards is an example). They are the defining charectoristics of house-slaves. The second issue is intellectual laziness, the disadvantage of being trained in the western framework means you will never be able to lead it, you will always have to borrow ideas. Our geniuses do it without even contextualizing it. They apply it verbatim.

These two 'infections' has created easy levers for the west to push and pull India into where it wants India to be. Modi is a spanner in the works in that Modi does not live by those rules, he does not have the same framework, hence the Khujli from NYTimes, WaPo, eKhanomist racist rag etc.

For the entirely different reason (hatred of hindu-self-expression) our libtards are against Modi as well.

Once Modi comes to power (IF he does), and he proves his prowess as a successful administrator libtard's cognitive dissonance would kick in. To cure that they will turn in fault-finding-zombies and fault-amplifying-zombie, either that or if they are indically inclined they will turn into Modi followers (rare case like Madhu Kishwar).

The zombie-house-slave is what Modi needs to watch out for.

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Postby member_22733 » 26 Apr 2014 08:37

I put a semi-aaptard friend in his place(Moron has three degrees from Stanford). He was worried about Modi and his 'saffron terror' and 'saffron team' declaring nukular war on China and Bakistan. I told him if he was so worried about nukular war, he should try to stop his country (USA) from declaring war with the next 'bad' country in their list. That is much much dangerous than Saffron terror, if it exists, will ever get to.

Another thing Modi and his team needs to do: Saffron terror narrative must be challenged with hard data points.

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Postby pankajs » 26 Apr 2014 08:55

Sadanand Dhume ‏@dhume 36m

Nearly 1 in 3 Indian women want Modi to become PM. Only about 1 in 8 prefer Rahul. Who has a problem w/ women voters? http://ibnlive.in.com/news/modi-leads-p ... 37-64.html
In July 2011, Narendra Modi had just 5 per cent support for the post of PM. In July 2013, it was 19 per cent. Rahul Gandhi's popularity was 19 per cent in July 2011 and it has now come down to 15 per cent.

Among the upper castes Modi has 50 per cent backing and Rahul Gandhi has 11 per cent backing. Even among the OBCs, Modi is doing very with 39 per cent backing and Rahul Gandhi has got just 11 per cent support.

Among the SC, Modi has got 25 per cent backing and Rahul Gandhi has got 15 per cent support. Among the STs, Modi has 32 per cent backing and Rahul Gandhi just 17 per cent.

Among the Muslims 10 per cent favour Narendra Modi for the post of Prime Minister and 32 per cent back Rahul while 14 per cent Christians back the former and 31 per cent the Congress Vice President.

Among the Sikhs 27 per cent back Modi and just 7 per cent respondents root for Rahul Gandhi.

When it comes to PM choice, Modi gets more support from the men than women. For Rahul Gandhi, there is not much difference. 29 per cent women and 39 per cent men prefer Modi and 14 per cent women and 16 per cent men prefer Rahul Gandhi for the post of PM.

Modi has got highest support (39 per cent) among the youth in the age group of 18-22 years and the least is 26 per cent among the people in the age group of above 56 years. Rahul Gandhi too has the highest 17 per cent support among the youth in the age group of 18-22 years.

Modi is more popular (34 per cent) in rural areas and Rahul Gandhi is more popular (20 per cent) in urban areas. Modi is the most popular in Central India with 47 per cent respondents backing him and Rahul Gandhi is the most popular in Central, Western and Southern parts of India with 17 per cent popular support.
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Postby manju » 26 Apr 2014 09:06

LokeshC wrote:I put a semi-aaptard friend in his place(Moron has three degrees from Stanford). He was worried about Modi and his 'saffron terror' and 'saffron team' declaring nukular war on China and Bakistan. I told him if he was so worried about nukular war, he should try to stop his country (USA) from declaring war with the next 'bad' country in their list. That is much much dangerous than Saffron terror, if it exists, will ever get to.

Another thing Modi and his team needs to do: Saffron terror narrative must be challenged with hard data points.


I always tell people (based on experience). In India it is easy to fool those with English education. It is easy to brain wash as their Operating System is infected with virus called secularism.

One common mistake that is common. SLIME mentality people say "In Hindu Mythology Brahma is supposed to be the creator...."

A guy whois not dhimmified, especially who is not exposed to the secular/english operating system would simply say (for e.g in Hindi) "Hamara Shastra kei anusaa Brhama dev sristikartha hai"

You get the drift...

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Postby SaiK » 26 Apr 2014 09:15

A new economic agenda
Subramanian Swamy

To become a developed country, India’s GDP will have to grow at 12 per cent per year for at least a decade. Technically this is within reach, since it would require the rate of investment to rise from the present 28 per cent of GDP to 36 per cent
The question before a probable Narendra Modi-led government in 2014 is whether the statistically undeniable economic slide of the last decade can be halted and a fresh impetus be given to growth in the Indian economy.

The answer is “yes” if good governance norms are properly enforced to enable the Indian economy to grow at 12 per cent per year in GDP for a decade which means efficiently deploying resources to reduce the current incremental capital output ratio from 4.0 to 3.0, and by incentivising the people to save more to increase the current rate of investment (which is domestic saving plus net foreign investment).


The United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government, judged statistically by the dangerous level of fiscal and capital accounts deficit indicators, has squandered national financial and physical resources mainly due to a lack of accountability, corruption and high transaction costs arising for archaic bureaucratic procedures.

Modest goals within reach
This picture emerges from comparative statistics of National Democratic Alliance (1998-2004) and UPA (2004-2014) rule.

Efficient, corruption-free deployment of existing resources that implies a reduction in the capital-output ratio, means a 12 per cent GDP growth rate per year, i.e., a doubling of GDP every six years, and that of per capita income doubling every seven years.

This growth rate over a five-year period can take us into the league of the top three most populated nations of the world, i.e., of the United States, China and India — that is by 2020. Thereafter, India would be able to overtake China over the next decade. That should be the goal of governance for us today.

India is not yet an economically developed nation. India has demonstrated its prowess in the IT, biotech and pharmaceutical sectors and has accelerated its growth rate to nine per cent per year in the first decade of this century, up from an earlier 40-year (1950-90) socialist era average annual growth rate of a mere 3.5 per cent, to become the third largest nation in terms of GDP at Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) rates.

However, it still has a backward agricultural sector of 62 per cent of the people, where there are farmer suicides because of inability to repay loans. There is a national unemployment rate that is of over 15 per cent of the adult labour force, a prevalence of child labour arising out of nearly 50 per cent of children not making it to school beyond standard five, a deeply malfunctioning primary and secondary educational system, and 300 million illiterates and 250 million people in dire poverty.

India’s infrastructure is pathetic, with frequent electric power breakdowns even in metropolitan cities, dangerously unhealthy water supply in urban areas, a galloping rate of HIV infection, and gaping potholes that dot our national highways.

For a second generation of reforms
To become a developed country, therefore, India’s GDP will have to grow at 12 per cent per year for at least a decade. Technically this is within India’s reach, since it would require the rate of investment to rise from the present 28 per cent of GDP to 36 per cent, while productivity growth will have to ensure that the incremental output-capital ratio declines from the present 4.0 to 3.0.

These are modest goals that can be attained by an efficient decision-making structure, tackling corruption, increased Foreign direct investment (FDI) and use of IT software in the domestic industry. But for that to happen, what is required are more vigorous market-centric economic reforms to dismantle the remaining vestiges of the Soviet model in Indian planning, especially at the provincial level.

The Indian financial system also suffers from a hangover of cronyism and corruption which has left government budgets on the verge of bankruptcy. This too needs fixing. It cannot be rectified by a Reserve Bank of India vitiating the investment climate with an obsession to contain inflationary pressure. It is like killing a patient to lower his body temperature.

India’s infrastructure requires about $150 billion to make it world class, while a new innovation climate requires investment in the education system of six per cent of GDP instead of 2.8 per cent today. But an open competitive market system can find these resources provided the quality of governance and accountability is improved. Auctioning of natural resources such as spectrum, coal, oilfields, and land for commercial exploitation can largely substitute for tax impositions. Obviously, a wide-ranging second generation of reforms is necessary for all this to accelerate India’s growth rate to 12 per cent per year. India has many advantages today to achieve a booming economy. We have a young population (an average of 28 years compared to the U.S.’ 38 years, and Japan’s 49 years) that could be the base for it to usher in innovation in our production process (a demographic dividend); an agriculture sector that has internationally the lowest yield in land and livestock-based products, and also, at the lowest cost of production, a full 12 months a year of farm-friendly weather, and an internationally competitive, skilled and low wage rate, semi-skilled labour at the national level. The advantages are already being proved to the world by the outsourcing phenomenon of skills in the developed world and the cheap supply of labour to oil-rich countries.

Demography as an advantage
Since the world view of economic development has now completely changed, economic development is no more thought of as being capital-driven, but knowledge-driven instead.

For application of knowledge, we need innovations, which means more original research which in turn needs more fresh young minds — the cream of the youth — to be imbibed with learning and at the frontier of research.

For decades since independence in 1947 we had been told that India’s demography was its main liability, that India’s population was growing too fast, and what India needed most was to control its population, even if by coercive methods.

Globally, India today leads in the supply of youth, i.e., persons in the age group of 15 to 35 years, and this lead will last for another 40 years. Therefore, we should not squander away this “natural resource.” We must, by proper policy for the young, realise and harvest this demographic potential.

China is today the second largest world leader in terms of having a young population. But the youth population there will start shrinking from 2015, i.e., less than a decade from now because of a lagged effect of the one-child policy. Japanese and European populations are already fast aging. The U.S. will however hold a steady trend thanks to a liberal policy of immigration, especially from Mexico and the Philippines. But, even then, the U.S. will have a demographic shortage in skilled personnel. All developed countries will experience a demographic deficit. India will not have to experience this if we empower our youth with multiple intelligences. Our past liability, by a fortuitous turn of fate, has now become our potential asset.

Thus, India — by unintended consequences of a relatively unfettered population growth — is now gifted with a young population. If we educate this youth to develop cognitive intelligence to become original thinkers, imbibe emotional intelligence to have a team spirit and develop a rational risk-taking attitude, inculcate moral intelligence to blend personal ambition with national goals, cultivate social intelligence to defend the civic rights of the weak, gender equality, have the courage to fight injustice, and the spiritual intelligence to tap into the cosmic energy (Brahmand) that surrounds the earth, we can then develop an intellectually more advanced species of human being; an Indian youth who can be relied on to contribute to make India a global power within two decades. Only then will our demographic dividend not be wasted.

This goal thus has to be at the core of the economic agenda for the rest of this decade for a new government in 2014.

(Subramanian Swamy, a former Union Cabinet Minister, is the chairman of the BJP Committee for Strategic Action in the 2014 Lok Sabha election.)
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/a- ... 944375.ece

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Postby yvijay » 26 Apr 2014 09:46

This is the best one ! :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby Shankas » 26 Apr 2014 09:51

Supratik wrote:Arvind Panagariya is being considered for FM.


See economy thread.


I think it will be Piyush Goyal
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Postby Arjun » 26 Apr 2014 09:51

Subramaniam Swamy wrote:Thus, India — by unintended consequences of a relatively unfettered population growth — is now gifted with a young population. If we educate this youth to develop cognitive intelligence to become original thinkers, imbibe emotional intelligence to have a team spirit and develop a rational risk-taking attitude, inculcate moral intelligence to blend personal ambition with national goals, cultivate social intelligence to defend the civic rights of the weak, gender equality, have the courage to fight injustice, and the spiritual intelligence to tap into the cosmic energy (Brahmand) that surrounds the earth, we can then develop an intellectually more advanced species of human being; an Indian youth who can be relied on to contribute to make India a global power within two decades.

Well put by S Swamy.

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Postby vic » 26 Apr 2014 10:15

James B wrote:AJ is in trouble because of anti-incumbency against Akalis. Punjab is facing a big problem of drug menace & it seems Majithia (BIL of Sukhbir Singh Badal) is involved. Only hope for AJ is en masse votes of rural amritsar (votebank of Akalis) & apathy of Urban Amritsar voters or split of Urban votes. Otherwise AJ is a gone case.

If AJ was part of D4 then Congress wouldn't have made a strong candidate like Capt. Amrinder Singh to contest against AJ.


AJ is being made to suffer as he is seen to be responsible for fixing Tejpal into Rape Case. Also AJ is now desperately trying to help Dynasty by equating Vadhera allegations with Personal attacks against Modi.
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Postby krishnan » 26 Apr 2014 10:17

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how true is this

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Postby RamaY » 26 Apr 2014 10:20

Arjun wrote:
Subramaniam Swamy wrote:Thus, India — by unintended consequences of a relatively unfettered population growth — is now gifted with a young population. If we educate this youth to develop cognitive intelligence to become original thinkers, imbibe emotional intelligence to have a team spirit and develop a rational risk-taking attitude, inculcate moral intelligence to blend personal ambition with national goals, cultivate social intelligence to defend the civic rights of the weak, gender equality, have the courage to fight injustice, and the spiritual intelligence to tap into the cosmic energy (Brahmand) that surrounds the earth, we can then develop an intellectually more advanced species of human being; an Indian youth who can be relied on to contribute to make India a global power within two decades.

Well put by S Swamy.


The main opposition party, BJP, wants to change this model to a more inclusive economic model. If its promises are fulfilled, it will transform the national resources into an economic infrastructure that can be tapped by all Indians alike. This is meant to give Indians the much needed incentive to innovate and enterprise; a paradigm that this civilization set aside as part of its war-constitution it put in place almost 1400 years ago to fight multiple waves of Abrahamic invasions.

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Postby Singha » 26 Apr 2014 10:23

To give food for thought to mid and low level collaborators in electoral fraud,
BJP should put out word via someone credible like aj that enquiry board will be formed and not just the ringleaders but even the bag carriers at booth level will he harshly dealt with and hone will be spared. Govt servants will be put on permanent leave without pay nd no pension.

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Postby krishnan » 26 Apr 2014 10:24

check here . the right side picture seems to be real, this is major embarrassment for BJP

http://www.indiangorkhas.in/2014/04/bim ... stake.html

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Postby kmkraoind » 26 Apr 2014 10:35

vivek.rao wrote:Modi won't appease. But will Modi make UCC,Ram Mandir first thing? Nope.

Fixing economy will be first priority.

Freeing up temples from Govt. should be second priority. Hindu temple money should be decided by Hindus democratically


I think Modi is clever wrt to freeing up temples from govt. If UCC is implemented, then automatically it will free temples. If UCC comes into effective, either you have to take over management of all religious places or other way. When somebody tweeted to SSwamy about freeing up of temples, he said its part of BJP agenda, so I am expecting some action wrt freeing up temples from clutches of corrupt-sickular govt.

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Postby pankajs » 26 Apr 2014 10:46

UCC implementation will raise a stink like no other in the Media while reworking Hindu temple control will not. Changes in Hindu law is such a common thing that it hardly ever front page news. Many Hindus who will vote for the BJP this time are the "live and let live" kind and will take flight at the first sign of stink.

His 1st term will be the most crucial. A steady stable development oriented and progressive 5 years will not only silence his critics but will lead to greater legitimacy of right wing politics in India. The right wing consolidation of votes is fragile and needs to be nurtured. The consolidation has occurred around the economic agenda and disruptive politics at this stage can only harm this consolidation. Even without provocation Modi will remain in the cross hairs of the Media and will be under immense scrutiny.

Is UCC of such importance that he will be willing to derail his economic agenda, the agenda that has lead to consolidation of votes in BJP's favour? Is it worth forcing the middle class, the ones who are attracted by Modis economic agenda, flee the BJP for a generation? Is it worth tainting right wing politics in the eyes of middle class, the live and let live kind, for perhaps a generation?

I would prefer Modi spends his time and political capital (1st term) to modi-fy Media which shapes the anti-hindu national narrative and provides space to anti-national.
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Postby rajithn » 26 Apr 2014 11:23

krishnan wrote:check here . the right side picture seems to be real, this is major embarrassment for BJP

http://www.indiangorkhas.in/2014/04/bim ... stake.html


Vote 4 BJP is not the official handle for the BJP.

Coming to morphed or wrongly attributed images, this is bound to happen. Why, even MSM has had instances of wrongly attributed images. There have been numerous instances of morphed images, wrongly attributed images and the like doing rounds now for years.

Ergo, it is not an embarrassment for the BJP.

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Postby harbans » 26 Apr 2014 11:29

Krishnan ji, that Darjeeling pic was being put up by some Modi fans as Varanasi rally. Had corrected some a day or two ago. I don't see why some enthusiasts start photoshopping and morphing falsehood when the real thing is better.

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Postby rohitv » 26 Apr 2014 11:50

krishnan wrote:check here . the right side picture seems to be real, this is major embarrassment for BJP

http://www.indiangorkhas.in/2014/04/bim ... stake.html


what embarrassment?

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Postby Paul » 26 Apr 2014 11:56

CongIs woke up to Adani line of attack only after Kajriwal raised it in Gujarat. Until then it was all 2002 only. No originality in their line of attack. No wonder they are in a soup. But my intuition tells me this is what they keep harping on for the next 5 years.

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Postby ashish raval » 26 Apr 2014 12:18

manju wrote:
LokeshC wrote:I put a semi-aaptard friend in his place(Moron has three degrees from Stanford). He was worried about Modi and his 'saffron terror' and 'saffron team' declaring nukular war on China and Bakistan. I told him if he was so worried about nukular war, he should try to stop his country (USA) from declaring war with the next 'bad' country in their list. That is much much dangerous than Saffron terror, if it exists, will ever get to.

Another thing Modi and his team needs to do: Saffron terror narrative must be challenged with hard data points.


I always tell people (based on experience). In India it is easy to fool those with English education. It is easy to brain wash as their Operating System is infected with virus called secularism.

One common mistake that is common. SLIME mentality people say "In Hindu Mythology Brahma is supposed to be the creator...." the guy whois not dhimmified, especially who is not exposed to the secular/english operating system would simply say (for e.g in Hindi) "Hamara Shastra kei anusaa Brhama dev sristikartha hai"

You get the drift...


I don't think they are secular. They are cowards wearing veil of secularism without which the world will know that they are nude when it comes to being fair and standing ground firmly with courage. A truely secular person will raise and get concerned for influx of Bangladeshi immigrants in the country, rape of hindu women's and killings in Pakistan and bangladesh, situation of kashmiri pandits in India (no wonder why they no longer raise their voice in India as no one seems to listen and eventually migrate to west whenever possible), tamils in srilanka, raise the issue of Buddhists against china , raise issue of khan wars against humanity in Iraq, Syria et al. Secular will also be concerned about millions of farmers who does suicide in India due to lack of water to get more crops and consequently under debt just like they get concerned about few thousands of tribals who are merely displaced but compensated for the larger good of the country.

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Postby Virupaksha » 26 Apr 2014 12:20

Paul wrote:CongIs woke up to Adani line of attack only after Kajriwal raised it in Gujarat. Until then it was all 2002 only. No originality in their line of attack. No wonder they are in a soup. But my intuition tells me this is what they keep harping on for the next 5 years.

adani is not stupid. he has given fundings to both sides and has contacts as well. Gujarati business men fund both sides of the aisle, whether one is in power or not. Only the proportions vary. It varies by whether you are an mp today, whether the party is in power in state or center or your municipality. But a guarenteed packet reaches all of them. This trend was started by ambani and is followed by all big business houses today.

Infact shri robert vadra has direct connections to adani.
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http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?289708

Congress can make snide noises about adani, but they are exposed to adani as well.

aap was heavily funded by jindals which is a player in its backyard, delhi/haryana but not by adanis. So you will not see aap shouting against jindals but can shout at adani, who do not have a need to fund aap as aap is a non entity in adani's backyard, gujarat.

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Postby pankajs » 26 Apr 2014 12:43

Sure you and me and other folks who get their daily news from SM and have google chacha for further queries know the truth. What about those that get their daily news from MSM, both print and electronic?

If you watch any English news channel, all they do these days is run the CON allegation against Modi in loop throughout the day. There is no fact checking, no original reporting and even BJP's clarification is buried. What is the message that is going out to the general public who is not on SM? Do they highlight Adanis connection to all parties?

I still remember the day when Chidu raised crony-capitalism charge against Modi in reply to Yeshwant Sinha's questions. In reply to Chidu's charge a BJP presser was held and Ravi Shankar Prasad (If I rember correctly) pointed to the 2G sacm and Coal scam as evidences of real crony-capitalism. That day I happened to be on this channel the whole day. Except for showing the BJP presser live the rest of the day the Sinha-Chidu charge and counter was put in loop without BJP's final rejoinder.

That is why I think apart from focusing on economy for his first term Modi must reign in the agenda driven MSM. If he is able to do that he would be able to achieve all kinds of nationalistic goals in his later terms backed by a nationalistic MSM.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Paul » 26 Apr 2014 13:08

http://www.hindustantimes.com/elections ... 12351.aspx

An unwritten code followed by political parties may be breached next month with a visit by Priyanka Gandhi Vadra to Varanasi and a rally by BJP PM candidate Narendra Modi in the Gandhi pocket borough of Amethi.


The unwritten consensus between the Nehru family and the RSS not to launch personal attacks on each other is breaking down. Until Rajeev Gandhi's time the RSS was not attacked as viciously as is happening now.

Is this happening because the RSS is gaining strength and thinks it can take on the Nehru family on it's own. What are the consequences for India?

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby member_28468 » 26 Apr 2014 13:18

Pankaj je is right even some hindi news channels like news 24 and ibn is playing anti modi documentry about muslims and 2002 riots :x :x and even biased view .it started after varanshi rally all r scared now .it is time for them to have some dhoti shivering .

And on different note how you all like aaj tak so sorry modi dance :rotfl: :rotfl:
I for one loved it especially kujliwal slap my maa too :rotfl:
It is good :mrgreen:

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby a_bharat » 26 Apr 2014 13:29

R. Jagannathan of first post calls RG Rahul "Toffee" Gandhi. :lol:
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Postby Vikas » 26 Apr 2014 13:37

What is so sacrosanct about JLN's family that no one should talk about them or accuse them of any wrong doing ? Are they the HoKo of Indian political scene , so why this coyness or backroom agreement if any.
Anyways RSS has been a darling baby of Congress to ban, accused of MKG's death and any riot that happens anywhere in India so what consensus is the newspaper talking about.

What exactly is a personal attack on a public figure? A public figure that too in position of power has to be judged also by his personal actions.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby vic » 26 Apr 2014 13:39

Modi is being viciously attacked as some Business leaders are afraid that NDA will get simple majority and they will not be able to put pressure on BJP through small parties. TIMES NOW has done an about face from being biggest supporter of Modi to full scale attacks on him. Which Hindi channels are supporting him?

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Postby Vikas » 26 Apr 2014 13:49

Somehow everyone and his uncle believes that Bianca Vadra would have given NaMo run for the money only if she was willing to fight the elections and her only Achilles heel is Raabart. As if She is IG re-incarnated.
Truth be told, even IG would have found it hard to face a real Indic opponent like NaMo.
People dont get it. NaMo is a leader like no one. He is once in a life time phenomenon.

Same people also thought that Toffee Gandhi was the best thing that happened to India and he should immediately be coronated and made PM of India in 2009-10.
Like all Managers, as long as you just indulge in sniper attack and hit and run tactics, you are counted as smart and genius. It is only when rubber meets the road and you need to talk about the policies and vision and future plans and nuts and bolts, the reality comes out. This is where NaMo scores over everyone while pygmies like RG, AK49, Chidu, Sibal, Lalo, MSY etc, suffer so badly.
Except for doles and sickularism and put me in power, there is no vision.
Same for Ms.Vadra who can snipe at NaMo from a safe distance since she is not fighting elections and hides behind brother.

Even without the baggage of dear hubby, she is another liability to the nation with no achievement yet future PM candidate in waiting and spending millions of rupees of tax money on her upkeep in Luytens Delhi. The Dynast to the heart and being touted as Ram baan by Congress.
Like Paki Nukes, Dynasty is now nuke-nude and with SM, even the myth of Dynasty is melting away.
Staying away from power is the only way which would keep this generation from becoming Bahadur Shah Zafar-II. Hopefully this is the last of them and then we are free.

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Postby johneeG » 26 Apr 2014 13:50

Yea, NaMo at 200 was manageable, but above 250 is not manageable for anyone else. Thats why all these attacks to reduce the numbers.
As for Biyanka, she seems like Pappu in saree. Looks ok but I don't think she is any different from pappu. I have always felt that pappu is no better or worse than rest of his family(including his ancestors). Its only that circumstances have changed and pappu has been in power/spotlight for a decade. Now, they are trying to bring a fresh face. I predicted it long back. The fact that they are bring her now itself instead of waiting for the next time shows that they believe there won't be a next time if NaMo comes with 250+.

I don't think she will have any effect because the kongis have no answer for their failures. Infact, her entry allows/forces NaMo to talk about robber and his activities.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Vikas » 26 Apr 2014 13:52

vic wrote:Modi is being viciously attacked as some Business leaders are afraid that NDA will get simple majority and they will not be able to put pressure on BJP through small parties. TIMES NOW has done an about face from being biggest supporter of Modi to full scale attacks on him. Which Hindi channels are supporting him?


Vic ji, How many people would change their opinion watching English news channels. Anyways TimesNow thanks to Ornab is more like a entertainment show than a news channel. I have stopped watching all English news channel (and hyper hindi channels).
In fact dropped a email to few of them as why I am disengaging from their channels.

Of course we urgently need a right leaning news channel goes without saying.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby pankajs » 26 Apr 2014 13:53

Saars me thinks it is the new coal mafia who have been able to corner most of the latest coal block allocation. Even amongst them some benefited more than the others. Jindal baba had 6 blocks allocated if my memory serves me right and his networth jumped from 200-400 cr range to 20,000-40,000 cr range. He has built a massive steel plant and is in the process to build a massive power company both business lines need massive amount of coal.

Munna's goberminds are not willing to scrap the coal allocation but what Modi will do is anybodies guess. Now if Modi scraps all recent coal allocation what will that do to Jindal baba hanji? Do you then wonder who is behind the massive MSM atry barrage on Modi.

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Postby Vikas » 26 Apr 2014 13:56

johneeG wrote:Yea, NaMo at 200 was manageable, but above 250 is not manageable for anyone else. Thats why all these attacks to reduce the numbers.
As for Biyanka, she seems like Pappu in saree. Looks ok but I don't think she is any different from pappu. I have always felt that pappu is no better or worse than rest of his family(including his ancestors). Its only that circumstances have changed and pappu has been in power/spotlight for a decade. Now, they are trying to bring a fresh face. I predicted it long back. The fact that they are bring her now itself instead of waiting for the next time shows that they believe there won't be a next time if NaMo comes with 250+.


Timing is everything in life.
Isn't it too late for Con to bring in Pappu ki sister and all she has done is accuse, accuse and more accuse, just like if Con would have called elections in 2013, The chances of Tsunamo were bleak.

It is rumored that if IG would not have been assassinated in 1984, We would have got our first fractured mandate in 1985 GE.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby johneeG » 26 Apr 2014 14:17

VikasRaina wrote:
johneeG wrote:Yea, NaMo at 200 was manageable, but above 250 is not manageable for anyone else. Thats why all these attacks to reduce the numbers.
As for Biyanka, she seems like Pappu in saree. Looks ok but I don't think she is any different from pappu. I have always felt that pappu is no better or worse than rest of his family(including his ancestors). Its only that circumstances have changed and pappu has been in power/spotlight for a decade. Now, they are trying to bring a fresh face. I predicted it long back. The fact that they are bring her now itself instead of waiting for the next time shows that they believe there won't be a next time if NaMo comes with 250+.


Timing is everything in life.
Isn't it too late for Con to bring in Pappu ki sister and all she has done is accuse, accuse and more accuse, just like if Con would have called elections in 2013, The chances of Tsunamo were bleak.

It is rumored that if IG would not have been assassinated in 1984, We would have got our first fractured mandate in 1985 GE.


The best thing for the kongis was Pappu taking the throne in last 1/2yrs and doing some thing for show...like pass a few bills(right to this or right to that). Then, the kongis could have gone to town proclaiming pappu as the new messiah. But, Manly Singh seems to have refused to cooperate and started non-cooperation movement by divulging uncomfortable details once in a while. I believe that Subbu Swamy's attacks on dynasty are timed in such a manner that they help Manly Singh. Subbu is on record saying he believes Manly to be the best of the lot in the kongis.

Pappu and his mom tried hard to dislodge Manly, but he didn't budge. I think Amirkhan's cases against Antonio may also have to do with saving Manly. Meanwhile, Manly was trying to gift away Shia-cheen. But, Pappu seems to have saved the day by his 'tearing ordinance' statement.

So, Manly saved the dhesh from Pappu's rule and Pappu saved Shia-cheen from being gifted away by Manly. In short, dhesh was saved by Goddess.

Now, everytime, there is a failure, kongis start itching. The dynasty faces the greatest threat from the kongis themselves. After 4-0 loss, there were lots of calls for Biyanka's entry. But, Robber was going to be the problem. At that time, the game was to see whether NaMo can be stopped at 180, so that some concensus candidate within lotus can emerge.

But, now, its hopeless for them because NaMo is getting atleast 250 on his own. That means the END for them. So, they are trying everything just so that nothing remains untested.

If NaMo had not got such phenomenal response this time, then they would have waited and brought Biyanka in the next round(either after divorce or widowhood, but divorce is more likely). But, they didn't have that time because things are moving very fast and getting out of hand.

She has to fight even to save their homeground, leave alone having any impact in other areas. A canard was spread last time that lotus lost because NaMo attacked Biyanka or her mother. These are all nonsense. Infact, NaMo should go more aggressive and talk more about Robber and his activities because they directly link dynasty with all the dirt.

I think people have already decided on whom to vote this time. So, nothing is going change it. Infact, one can say that opponents of NaMo are confused about who can withstand the NaMo best. So, NaMo's antis are split in their support to many while NaMo's fans are united.

Kongis are no fools. If Biyanka had directly contested against NaMo, she would have lost. And every kongi knows that, so she avoided it. And then, the other kongis themselves say that she should have contested to pre-empt any criticism from others.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby vic » 26 Apr 2014 14:23

johneeG wrote:Yea, NaMo at 200 was manageable, but above 250 is not manageable for anyone else. Thats why all these attacks to reduce the numbers.
As for Biyanka, she seems like Pappu in saree. Looks ok but I don't think she is any different from pappu. I have always felt that pappu is no better or worse than rest of his family(including his ancestors). Its only that circumstances have changed and pappu has been in power/spotlight for a decade. Now, they are trying to bring a fresh face. I predicted it long back. The fact that they are bring her now itself instead of waiting for the next time shows that they believe there won't be a next time if NaMo comes with 250+.

I don't think she will have any effect because the kongis have no answer for their failures. Infact, her entry allows/forces NaMo to talk about robber and his activities.


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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby vic » 26 Apr 2014 14:25

VikasRaina wrote:Somehow everyone and his uncle believes that Bianca Vadra would have given NaMo run for the money only if she was willing to fight the elections and her only Achilles heel is Raabart. As if She is IG re-incarnated.
Truth be told, even IG would have found it hard to face a real Indic opponent like NaMo.
People dont get it. NaMo is a leader like no one. He is once in a life time phenomenon.

Same people also thought that Toffee Gandhi was the best thing that happened to India and he should immediately be coronated and made PM of India in 2009-10.
Like all Managers, as long as you just indulge in sniper attack and hit and run tactics, you are counted as smart and genius. It is only when rubber meets the road and you need to talk about the policies and vision and future plans and nuts and bolts, the reality comes out. This is where NaMo scores over everyone while pygmies like RG, AK49, Chidu, Sibal, Lalo, MSY etc, suffer so badly.
Except for doles and sickularism and put me in power, there is no vision.
Same for Ms.Vadra who can snipe at NaMo from a safe distance since she is not fighting elections and hides behind brother.

Even without the baggage of dear hubby, she is another liability to the nation with no achievement yet future PM candidate in waiting and spending millions of rupees of tax money on her upkeep in Luytens Delhi. The Dynast to the heart and being touted as Ram baan by Congress.
Like Paki Nukes, Dynasty is now nuke-nude and with SM, even the myth of Dynasty is melting away.
Staying away from power is the only way which would keep this generation from becoming Bahadur Shah Zafar-II. Hopefully this is the last of them and then we are free.



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