Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 01 May 2014 09:35

NaMo will lose onlee.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2014 09:37

New gas price may be notified on May 18 after poll code ends

Business Standard ‏@bsindia 1h

Moily reverses decision on price increase of domestic natural gas, says it should apply retrospectivly from April 1. http://goo.gl/Cmef8y

1. UPA gov adamant on increasing domestic natural gas price. Now assuming is is being done solely to benefit Ambani as alleged by sAAP would it be fair to say Ambani is more of a backer of CON system?
2. If the decision is taken by UPA, Modi can leave it as it or tweak it to somewhere between the current rate and new rate. He can then pass on the buck to the UPA citing contractual obligation.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2014 09:40

ShankarCag wrote:^^^^Agree with Raja on this. I've said this earlier also. The status of his marriage is another ticking legal time bomb. IMVHO he would've been better off not declaring himself to be married. He was married when he was a minor so the marriage was void ab initio. Now since he admits it could lead to trouble for him. Women can be emotional..... Hope Modiji doesn't have to face 498A and DV bullshit because of this.

If his lawyers have decided there was no voiding ab initio it is infinitely better to have declared. While women can get emotional but a false declaration would most certainly have disqualified him. I am sure he has done what was necessary on sound legal advice.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 01 May 2014 09:44

Raja wrote:I think you guys are underestimating this. Congress etc. are going to try their best to avoid Modi becoming PM anyway they can. This is a royal unnecessary ****** up. He has to be far more careful than this if he is going to avoid the 1000 traps that are going to be laid out for him. Also, the FIR is not just for waving the lotus but for giving an extended interview.

He is going to have to suck it and apologize to get off without a jail sentence. Yea, life is unfair but you have to choose your battles.

Will that be enough? If the law was really violated (this is still unclear) they have no obligation to not give the jail sentence if he apologizes.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 01 May 2014 09:44

^ I see that it is dhoti shivering season these days.

gashish · Post by **gashish** » 01 May 2014 09:47

Arjun wrote:
Anantha wrote:On 24th the voting day NM had the Varanasi rally. The voting % increased that day in the evening dramatically post rally. Yesterday he did that conf to be in the news all day, so that no one else occupied the TV space and to keep the opponents unsettled. The guy is a cunning slyfox. Expect more in the next two phases when he will go for a kill.
I don't think 24th voting would have changed significantly with Modi rally, nor would it have changed yesterday with some inadvertant lotus waving by Modi. Suggestions that Namo is resorting to underhand means is not helping him in the least - on the contrary it will provide a boost to the arguments of his opponents.

^^108

IMO, NaMo's strength comes from his crystal clear conscience. Or else how could one withstand non-stop witch-hunt for 12+ years and come out ever stronger?
Inadvertent/honest mistake (assuming it can be proven to be one), yes. But deliberate violation(however minor)of rules to get some benefit doesn't fit his character or atleast thats what I prefer to believe.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 01 May 2014 09:53

They would have taken sound legal advice indeed.It is better that he declare it even if it was a child marriage. The sharada Act was initially promulgated in 1928-1930 and was modified in 2006. At that time the age of marriage for a male was 21 years. The thing is the law states that if such a marriage occurs it is not a void one but can be voidable if steps to dissolute the marriage where taken. That (the latter one)clearly has not been done so it is better that he declares it as such sincee they both did not act on this to make the marriage void.

The one thing was what was Jashodabhen's age at marriage- if below 16 (not 17-18) then it had different legal repercussions.I am sure that their Lawyers would have clearly done their homework on that especially since the electoral laws changed in the interim.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 01 May 2014 09:54

pankajs wrote:
ShivrajSingh Chouhan ‏@ChouhanShivraj 14h

Can a spontaneous encircling of a VIP by the media be termed as a Press Conference? Lexicon will die of exhaustion.

Thanks to you guys I waded into this law.

Its good exercise for Rahul Mehta ji too.

1. Ins. by Act 40 of 1961, sec. 24 (w.e.f. 20-9-1961)

Section 126. Prohibition of public meetings during period of forty-eight hours ending with hour ending for conclusion of poll

1[Prohibition of public meetings during period of forty-eight hours ending with hour ending for conclusion of poll. (1) No person shall-

(a) Convene, hold, attend, or address any public meeting or procession in connection with an election; or

(b) Display to the public any election matter by means of cinematograph, television or other similar apparatus-, or

(c) Propagate any election matter to the public by holding or by arranging the holding of, any musical concert or any theatrical performance or any other entertainment or amusement with a view to attracting the members of the public thereto, in any polling area during the period of forty-eight hours ending with the hour fixed for the conclusion of the poll for any election in that polling area.

(2) Any, person who contravenes the provision of sub-section (l) shall be punishable with imprisonment for a term which may extend to two years or with fine or with both.

(3) In this section, the expression “election matter” means any matter intended or calculated to influence or affect the result of an election.]

Section 146 C. Protection of action taken in good faith

No suit, prosecution or other legal proceeding shall lie against, the Commission or any person acting under the direction of the Commission in respect of, anything which is in good faith done or intended to be done in pursuance of the foregoing provisions of this Chapter or of any order made there under respect of the tendering of any opinion by the Commission to the President or, as the case may be, to the Governor or in respect of the publication, by or under the authority of the Commission of any such opinion paper or proceedings.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 01 May 2014 09:56

I am amazed at the level of some dhoti-shivers in this forum. At times i feel that these folks are congi-paap sympathizers disguising as namo lovers. When riots could not do any thing, when irshat jahan could not do anything, when snoop gate could not do anything, when jasoda ben could not do any thing, then my friends , what can a simple white lotus do to NAMO!

Bahut hua dhoti-shiver
Abi ki bar modi sarkar

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2014 09:56

MediaCrooks ‏@mediacrooks 1h

Moronery of RahulG gets better each day.. 27K Cr jobs vacant in Guj.. & now this.. Hes embarrassing> @Bdutt @timesnow pic.twitter.com/PbgnYr4crh

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 01 May 2014 09:58

ShankarCag wrote: The status of his marriage is another ticking legal time bomb. IMVHO he would've been better off not declaring himself to be married. He was married when he was a minor so the marriage was void ab initio. Now since he admits it could lead to trouble for him. Women can be emotional..... Hope Modiji doesn't have to face 498A and DV bullshit because of this.

This is a non issue per the law otherwise we would have seen a continuous barrage on it from all sides. Instead, the opposition has been reduced to throwing chairs and chappals at the advancing tank called NaMo having run out of other ammo.

vic · Post by **vic** » 01 May 2014 10:01

chaanakya wrote:
Singha wrote:some ppl made "career limiting moves" as the khanates like to say.
There is no career in GOI after becoming CEC. Constitution guarantees that. This by itself is a career limiting move.

What about unearthing the illegal gains and bribes collected by babus and their families throughout their career?.

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 01 May 2014 10:02

Please stop shivering in your dhoti or shalwar
Kyon ki ab ki baar, Modi sarkaar!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2014 10:04

prasannasimha wrote:The one thing was what was Jashodabhen's age at marriage- if below 16 (not 17-18) then it had different legal repercussions.I am sure that their Lawyers would have clearly done their homework on that especially since the electoral laws changed in the interim.

Saar forgive my ignorance for I only had a quick pass at wiki when this controversy first broke.

Even if Jashodabhen was below 16 at the time of marriage it does not matter for they are covered by the Sharada act of 1929-30. This below 16 distinction was most likely introduced on the 2006 law hence not applicable to NaMo's case.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 May 2014 10:07

in what way is the marriage even a legal diwali cracker, let alone a time-bomb ? they have mutually separated for more than 3 decades now ? so what 498a etc applies and how ? people should think a little before posting.
he declared it now because EC has made it compulsory.

coming to the FIR-saga, EC's job is now done. it's up to the Guj Police to chargesheet the alleged offender. they can take their own sweet time and do it in their own sweet way. this jail time fear is unwarranted.

I am dhoti shivering for what it means for his election campaign. I hope it's not another 98 situation when NDA lost by 1 vote on the floor of parliament.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2014 10:10

vic wrote:
chaanakya wrote:There is no career in GOI after becoming CEC. Constitution guarantees that. This by itself is a career limiting move.
What about unearthing the illegal gains and bribes collected by babus and their families throughout their career?.

The classic way to deal with CEC would be to extend the investigation against Jagan to encompass the whole of YSR's time in office. Then as a matter of routine all folks in close proximity to YSR in position to trade favours need to be brought into the ambit of the investigation. Now if our CEC was part of the inner team he would naturally come under the ambit of the investigation.

I must state I have not followed Jagan/YSR cases except reading some headlines so am unaware of the details.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 01 May 2014 10:18

NaMo is holding the Lotus and waving very delibrately. It gives an impression of some well thought out strategy. Though why? Why such a risk?

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 01 May 2014 10:21

CEC is a constitutional post who can only be impeached. Let him retire first.

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 01 May 2014 10:24

Basically all those who dhoti-shivers and refuse to read the writings on the wall , are having big trust deficit on the indic electorate when it comes to good governance. Indian electorate has never tolerated bad governance given they are not faced with TINA

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 May 2014 10:25

What is next, Doggyraja and Sangvi come up with few of their own illegitimate children claiming to be Modi's?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2014 10:25

ShankarCag wrote:CEC is a constitutional post who can only be impeached. Let him retire first.

That would be true for his CEC work not for his YSR work.

Prepare the masala and light the fuse. Ask him to step down on his own as a matter of propriety while the investigation is on going. Even if he does not resign let him squirm and watch the fun.

That will also send a message to the remaining EC's that unless they have a clean background they better behave.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 01 May 2014 10:27

subhamoy.das wrote:Basically all those who dhoti-shivers and refuse to read the writings on the wall , are having big trust deficit on the indic electorate when it comes to good governance. Indian electorate has never tolerated bad governance given they are not faced with TINA

Same indic electorate which voted in UPA in 2009 and dropped NDA after 2002!

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 01 May 2014 10:31

need a separate dhoti shiver thread? it is going to reach fever pitch and we have 16 days to go

vic · Post by **vic** » 01 May 2014 10:33

It is very very good that FIR has been registered against Modi, it will be a constant reminder to him about the enemies of the nation and the FACT that they must also pay for their crimes. Neither Ram pardoned Ravan nor Krishan pardoned the Kaurvas, this business about forgiving criminals is against Indian ethos, hence the waitress and her family should be punished for their crimes against the nation.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 01 May 2014 10:35

Now private robber's goose is cooked if Modi comes to power

MediaCrooks ‏@mediacrooks 2h

Robert doesnt file FinReturns for 13 cos since 2011 w Ministry.. so MrsVadra is a VICTIM @Timesnow @ndtv @ibnlive http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-wh ... 11-1983881 …

Sonia Gandhi's son-in-law Robert Vadra, already in the eye of a political storm for his dubious land deals, has since March 2011 stopped filing mandatory annual returns or financial statements with the ministry of corporate affairs of all the 13 companies he owns. The reason? He may have panicked as his "business model and land deals" have raked in huge controversy and the BJP has been gunning for him during the election campaign.

In March 2011, a controversy had erupted over Vadra using DLF money to buy land in Haryana and for his bulk purchase of desert land in Rajasthan. He had disclosed both the facts – DLF's unsecured loans and bulk land purchase – in his financial statements submitted to the ministry till March 2011. However, since then, Vadra has not been filing financial statements.

Law does not exempt private citizens from filing financial statements or annual accounts.

The same law will be used against the countless NGOs not filing accounts with the proper department. Hence the near panic within the NGO community of NaMo coming to power.

niran · Post by **niran** » 01 May 2014 10:42

Dhananjay wrote:NaMo is holding the Lotus and waving very delibrately. It gives an impression of some well thought out strategy. Though why? Why such a risk?

yesterday on each and every channel it was NaMo NaMo everywhere onree priyanka got hon. mention around 2000 hours
Toffe baba and scam queen face was not displayed(thank NaMo for the small mercies) for full 19 hours, why? just NaMo waved a white Lotus and these people in place of rallying the troops were harping for blood of a poor chaiwallah Sibal baba went to the extent of claiming Gujarat Polis as most corrupt in desh, think of the repercussions folks.

disha · Post by **disha** » 01 May 2014 10:49

Dhananjay wrote:NaMo is holding the Lotus and waving very delibrately. It gives an impression of some well thought out strategy. Though why? Why such a risk?

Nope. He just forgot that he was carrying a lotus!

Saying that he is waving it deliberately or just an inadvertant faux pas is subjective. This cannot be made as an example of disqualification, unless EC wants to shred their own chaddis (and also the CONgoons chaddis will be shredded).

At best, it will be a fine of Rs. 250 and a slap on the wrist.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 01 May 2014 10:52

Out of the mush - there could easily be something like 50% of all the Companies in India who have not filed these returns. Some fine some maafinama and that is it.

However there is some chance (enough to get some accountants/lawyers to check out and think strategically) that Damaad ji and his team has not yet finalized some aspects of his dealings and hence the delay in filing Annual Return with Ministry of Corporate Affairs. Wish I was working in the BJP legal cell.

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 01 May 2014 10:53

Guys, how do I combat this article from Ashutosh Varshney-http://indianexpress.com/article/opinio ... balance/3/

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 01 May 2014 11:29

Do these sham Shankaracharyas (Puri & Dwarka) have any following at all ?

Hindu seers say Narendra Modi not fit to become PM

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 May 2014 11:32

Gus wrote:need a separate dhoti shiver thread? it is going to reach fever pitch and we have 16 days to go

didn't we have a whine thread ?

cdbatra · Post by **cdbatra** » 01 May 2014 11:42

ShankarCag wrote:^^^^Agree with Raja on this. I've said this earlier also. The status of his marriage is another ticking legal time bomb. IMVHO he would've been better off not declaring himself to be married. He was married when he was a minor so the marriage was void ab initio. Now since he admits it could lead to trouble for him. Women can be emotional..... Hope Modiji doesn't have to face 498A and DV bullshit because of this.

This is far fetched dude... They have a relation like that of brother and sister. I will bet my two cents she would publicly stand by him

cdbatra · Post by **cdbatra** » 01 May 2014 11:43

Arjun wrote:Do these sham Shankaracharyas (Puri & Dwarka) have any following at all ?

Hindu seers say Narendra Modi not fit to become PM

Those must be on dole from Diggy !

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 01 May 2014 11:54

cdbatra wrote:
Arjun wrote:Do these sham Shankaracharyas (Puri & Dwarka) have any following at all ?

Hindu seers say Narendra Modi not fit to become PM
Those must be on dole from Diggy !

Looks like another Agnivesh:-

Kashmir separatists to get Kumbh Mela invite
freepresskashmir.com | Jul 11th 2012

Ashiq Hussain

SRINAGAR, July 11: Puri Shankaracharya, Swami Adhokshjanand Tirtha on Wednesday expressed his desire to invite the separatists to attend Kumbh Mela, the biggest religious festival of the country. Heading one of the five main religious seats of Hindus in the country, Swami is on a visit to Kashmir valley in connection with annual Amarnath Yatra.

During the visit he met hard-line separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani, moderate Hurriyat leader and chief Muslim Cleric Mirwaiz Umar Farooq and Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front Chairman, Yasin Malik.

“Kumbh is a place where people from across the country converge. It is where Ganga, Jamuna and Saraswati meet. And we want to invite the people with separatist ideologies from Kashmir and other areas of North east to listen to them and discuss their problems with other countrymen,” Swami said.

“It is an attempt towards peace. We want to send a message to our countrymen that the issue in Kashmir is not Hindu versus Muslim or Indians versus Kashmiris but it is a political issue,” he said.

The Shankaracharya, who met separatists in 1998 to convince them for talks, said that Kashmiris were not ‘communal’ as was the belief across India.

“I have seen the real face of people of valley. Amarnath Yatra is successful only due to the efforts of local Kashmiri Muslims. They carry the pilgrims on their shoulders, they guide and serve them during the Yatra. This image should be known to the whole World,” Swami said.

“What one can infer from their thinking is that they respect Hindus but have some political issues which need to be addressed,” he stated.

Mirwaiz Umar Farooq confirmed that Swami met him at his Nigeen residence. “He maintained that religious people always side with truth. And he has come to portray the real situation of Kashmir in India. He also expressed his desire to invite Hurriyat Chairman to Kumbh mela as a leader and a prominent religious figure of the valley,” Hurriyat said in a statement.

JKLF Chairman Yasin Malik hailed Shankacharya for ‘inviting him to this year’s Kumbh Mela for reaching out to the people of India’.

“Shankaracharya Jee as a religious leader rules the hearts and minds of billions of Indians. Kashmiris have always stood for communal harmony and have looked towards Swami Jee a true leader of masses and one who stands for truth and humanity,” Malik said in a statement.

“During a visit to Kashmir in 1997-98, when Acharya Jee saw the sufferings of people here, he was furious. He went back and raised his voice for Kashmiris and despite a lot of pressures refused to budge and stood for the just cause,” Malik stated.

(The author works with The Hindustan Times)

cdbatra · Post by **cdbatra** » 01 May 2014 12:05

disha wrote:
Dhananjay wrote:NaMo is holding the Lotus and waving very delibrately. It gives an impression of some well thought out strategy. Though why? Why such a risk?

Nope. He just forgot that he was carrying a lotus!

Saying that he is waving it deliberately or just an inadvertant faux pas is subjective. This cannot be made as an example of disqualification, unless EC wants to shred their own chaddis (and also the CONgoons chaddis will be shredded).

At best, it will be a fine of Rs. 250 and a slap on the wrist.

I am sure he would have calculated this from legal aspect and sent this as some sort of message.
Please note only FIR is filed no case will stand final scruitiny of evidence im sure.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 01 May 2014 12:05

Arjun wrote:Do these sham Shankaracharyas (Puri & Dwarka) have any following at all ?

Hindu seers say Narendra Modi not fit to become PM

The one claiming to be Shankaracharya of Puri is a fake one. Real Shankaracharya of Puri is Niscalananda Saraswati. Because his Guru Niranjan Dev Tirtha was hardcore Hindu type refusing to play ball with Nehru Dynasty and become "sarkari", Congis created this fake to harass him. For example, he refused entry to Indira Gandhi in Jaggantha temple as she was married to a Parsi. Sonia never dared to visit Puri temple.

Regarding Swaroopananda, less said the better. He is a purely "Lotta" type.

Rival shankaracharya claimant projects modern outlook

http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/aug/28sankra.htm

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 01 May 2014 12:06

^Too bad these "seers" can't show the same concern for Kashmiri Pundits or victims of evangelical onslaught. If only we Hindus could put these people in their place and expel them from their positions. We should make sure that there are severe costs for breaking ranks with the community and we should make examples of them.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 01 May 2014 12:25

Many of these modern Shankaracharyas are dharma-traders.
Yet to do any kind of significant constructive work, unlike Ramdevs, RK Ashrams, Chinmoy Mission, Ravishankar sort. Shankaracharyas are actually spoiling the name of Adi Shankaracharya and they are big insult to him

Sumeet · Post by **Sumeet** » 01 May 2014 12:29

To be honest with you most of Indians won't even know their names. So what they say will be irrelevant. Despite numerous seers, sages etc Indians are still connected with their Ishta Devata only.

And yes Murugan we are more connected with people who do constructive things in society besides our Ishta Devata.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 01 May 2014 12:53

Looks like, The Shankracharya is obviously not well versed with history of India and Kashmir.