Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby KLNMurthy » 11 May 2014 17:53

vic wrote:If RM decides to limit himself to one post a day then I think it is reasonable. Having said that I agree with his analysis that lack of reform in Hinduism is leading to our downfall compared to Christanity and Islam.

May be OT but what lack of reform? Advent of Modi is the biggest marker of organic reform as well as Sanatana constancy. Deepest fear of followers of Christianity and Islam is that the truth about the childishness of their religion will be exposed in a world where Hindu dharma is unleashed and they will simply be outgrown.

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Postby Mort Walker » 11 May 2014 18:03

JE Menon wrote:Had lunch with a guy well connected politically, well enough for me to trust his judgement on this issue over mine. His take is that BJP max 245, but NDA will rule, and Modi next PM. His view is that, as things stand, there's no chance of a BJP majority.


The BJP was only contesting 428 LS seats. At 272/428 is greater than 63%, even with a Modi wave of 60% that is 256 seats. We need to be realistic. Your friend is correct with a max of 245.

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Postby KLNMurthy » 11 May 2014 18:09

SanjayC wrote:
Hari Seldon wrote:Recommended read on the future of political campaigning in India.

Maximum Campaign: Modi unleashes a blitzkrieg never seen before in Indian electoral history


From the article:
Root for Modi or reject him, the way India's most controversial mass leader managed to create a personality cult in one short year will forever change how elections are fought in this country.


Strange isn't it, how all political opponents of Congress party become "controversial." The higher the opponent, the more controversial he is declared to be. While Amit Shah is merely "controversial," Modi is now the "most controversial."


Old formulas like communist-derived "personality cult" don't apply here. Modi is a competent, hardworking and smart chief executive who is infused with Indic ideal of humility and service. He can be beloved and admired but can and will be fired if he doesn't meet expectations. DIE and their western counterparts won't get this.

The only personality cult is his enemies' obsessive hatred of Modi.

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Postby shyamoo » 11 May 2014 18:11

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10 others? I thought termites came out in the 100s/1000s

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Postby pankajs » 11 May 2014 18:20

“I Will Break the Delhi Cabal of Status Quoists”

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/ ... us-quoists
Look at what’s happening in the Capital; Delhi is being controlled by a cabal that has vested interests in the status quo. I will break the status quo. That must be making them uncomfortable and prompting them to level unsubstantiated charges against me.

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Postby Sanku » 11 May 2014 19:00

News channels discussing the NaMo "cabinet" -- seems like even the pretence is gone.

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Postby Singha » 11 May 2014 19:04

I like the word "break", not fix or adjust or glue together but "break", "shatter"...I like such words.

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Postby KJo » 11 May 2014 19:10

Sanku wrote:News channels discussing the NaMo "cabinet" -- seems like even the pretence is gone.


heh my dad was mentioning the same today in an email. Looks like the media is seeing what is coming.

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Postby Mort Walker » 11 May 2014 19:10

Sanku wrote:News channels discussing the NaMo "cabinet" -- seems like even the pretence is gone.


Not to get ahead of ourselves, but who are the leading front runners from Home, Ext. Aff., Def., Fin., Ag., Commerce, HRD, Railways?

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 May 2014 19:12

Muraliraviji

I had a heated argument with my Brother in law. His family is mentally retarded COngressis who say they will never vote for anyone else. My sister made sure she never returned his voting card confirmation letter as he was traveling so he could not vote. She voted for TDP+BJP thankfully :mrgreen:

He started giving me BS that BJP will get 160-170 and Congressis will get 100 seats.

I said I will shave my head if it goes below 190 and I predicted 210-240 seats.

Give me some good news so that I don't despair till May 16 about my hair and I hope to save my hair. :rotfl:

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Postby SwamyG » 11 May 2014 19:17

Sanku wrote:News channels discussing the NaMo "cabinet" -- seems like even the pretence is gone.

Which channel? Arnab is conducting a show what I call a postmortem. They are analyzing where and why Congress failed. It is scary some think if Priyanka had jumped in 8 months ago, Congress would have won.

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Postby Sanku » 11 May 2014 19:22

SwamyG wrote:
Sanku wrote:News channels discussing the NaMo "cabinet" -- seems like even the pretence is gone.

Which channel? Arnab is conducting a show what I call a postmortem. They are analyzing where and why Congress failed. It is scary some think if Priyanka had jumped in 8 months ago, Congress would have won.


News X I think.

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 May 2014 19:25

SwamyG wrote:
Sanku wrote:News channels discussing the NaMo "cabinet" -- seems like even the pretence is gone.

Which channel? Arnab is conducting a show what I call a postmortem. They are analyzing where and why Congress failed. It is scary some think if Priyanka had jumped in 8 months ago, Congress would have won.


The DIenasty bum lickers need some body who can attack Modi even if there is no substance. The trash picks up the crumbs of DIEnasty. The slave mentality is everywhere.

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Postby Vikas » 11 May 2014 19:28

I hope and pray that LKA sulks again during Cabinet formation and sits out.

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Postby Sanku » 11 May 2014 19:31

Mort Walker wrote:
Sanku wrote:News channels discussing the NaMo "cabinet" -- seems like even the pretence is gone.


Not to get ahead of ourselves, but who are the leading front runners from Home, Ext. Aff., Def., Fin., Ag., Commerce, HRD, Railways?


To be quite honest, I did not pay too much attention for two reasons
1) After the 04 and 09, I am not paying any attention to anything till the numbers are in for sure on 16th.
2) It was mostly kite flying with everyone and their own opinion

However few interesting points (to me at least)
1) Participants included ABV's media advisor, and Vir Sanghvi
2) General expectation is that Amit Shah will roam the field, campaigning and destroying the opposition, not a cabinet position, at most a political assistant to PM
3) Everyone is wondering how Sushma Swaraj and MM Joshi will be accommodated, they are "difficult" fits, have enormous symbolic value (brahmin face in UP and women face) -- but are also senior and may not be aligned as well with NaMo agenda.

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Postby RajeshA » 11 May 2014 19:55

All the "senior" BJP leaders can be accommodated in a National Advisory Council.

Furthermore some provision needs to be made that the Indian Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan can vote for Bills in Parliament through video-conferencing.

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Postby member_28352 » 11 May 2014 20:37

MMJ should be candidate for President in 2017. Also please don't assign Women and Child Development ministry to feminists like Swaraj or Lekhi.

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Postby member_20292 » 11 May 2014 20:40

this 5forty3.in login process sucks. I've got a login there, I changed my password today and promptly it does not allow me to access the content.

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 May 2014 20:50

I have an idea on EJs

We know how Amit Shah cooped village pradhan's rivals in Gujarat to undermine CONgis.

Can he co-opt missionary leaders who are power struggling to undermine the movement from inside?

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Postby prahaar » 11 May 2014 20:56

EJism can end if the elitism associated with it is destroyed. Gora/Buda sahibs are needed to campaign for making the potential flock to convert. It can be easily done by strict visa monitoring + foreign funding of NGOs. If this is combined with making the temples free of Endowment act, Amit Shah will become jobless.

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Postby sivab » 11 May 2014 20:57

Modi says"I love Sufism. If Sufism would be strong in Kashmir there would be no Terrorism..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlaG3H_f_o8

DON'T flame NaMo now. IMO, he really believes in Ekam Sath Viprah Bahudah Vadanthi and I respect him for that.

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Postby sivab » 11 May 2014 21:00

Sufi m.k.chishty ‏@MSufiSaint 58m

"Only Modi can become Subhas Chandra Bose" Says Cornel Nizamuddin of *Azad Hind Foj*


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Postby disha » 11 May 2014 21:01

vivek.rao wrote:Muraliraviji

I had a heated argument with my Brother in law. His family is mentally retarded COngressis who say they will never vote for anyone else. My sister made sure she never returned his voting card confirmation letter as he was traveling so he could not vote. She voted for TDP+BJP thankfully :mrgreen:

He started giving me BS that BJP will get 160-170 and Congressis will get 100 seats.

I said I will shave my head if it goes below 190 and I predicted 210-240 seats.

Give me some good news so that I don't despair till May 16 about my hair and I hope to save my hair. :rotfl:


Okay., 5forty3 made a bold prediction of at least 204 seats for BJP. That is the new low. I expect around 220 and optimistically around 243., and if BJP by itself gets 240+., that is, they have more than doubled their seats compared to 2009 (all NaMo wave only).

Now you can still donate your hair to Tirupati Devasthanam and come out in flying colors compared to your BIL. And yes, you owe a very good gift and many thanks to your sister! :-)

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Postby Singha » 11 May 2014 21:01

He needs some revelation about the kind of maskirovka role sufism played in preparing the ground and diluting opposition for when the real shoe dropped. Brihaspatiji has exposed some of it in the context of bengal.

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 May 2014 21:04

Dr. Praveen Patil ‏@5Forty3 13m
There's a major silent vote for @narendramodi among many Muslims here in Varanasi, will talk about it tomorrow in our Live coverage @nirax


Whatever Patil says the PAIDMEDIA is confirming later

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Postby amdavadi » 11 May 2014 21:05

He said, if sufisim was strong in kashmir....Terrorism would never have been born in kashmir.

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Postby sivab » 11 May 2014 21:08

Singha wrote:He needs some revelation about the kind of maskirovka role sufism played in preparing the ground and diluting opposition for when the real shoe dropped. Brihaspatiji has exposed some of it in the context of bengal.


:rotfl: Modi probably knows more about islam than anyone on this forum. He needs no revelation. Its ridiculous to hear something like this.

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 May 2014 21:12

prahaar wrote:EJism can end if the elitism associated with it is destroyed. Gora/Buda sahibs are needed to campaign for making the potential flock to convert. It can be easily done by strict visa monitoring + foreign funding of NGOs. If this is combined with making the temples free of Endowment act, Amit Shah will become jobless.



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Postby Singha » 11 May 2014 21:13

^^ Sufism

maybe. but see before B'ji did the Khulasa, pretty much ALL of brf had brought into the sufi / syncretic Kool-aid from the media and sarkari history.

so its one of those hidden issues that even very well read and intelligent people might not know anything about.

very few people have the detailed knowledge of the dark side that B'ji does imo. I hadnt the vaguest clue that there was a huge drought in middle ages in BD deltaic regions that opened up new mangrove land for cultivation and so called sufi peers led a variety of miscreants in droves to settle into this newly expanded bengal.

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Postby RajeshA » 11 May 2014 21:26

Singha ji,

I think it is a useful policy to go and touch the father's feet before one thrashes the son to bits. Then it is not personal. The West extols the virtues of "moderate Muslims" before going on a bombing spree in Afghanistan and Iraq. So just as the West has "moderate Muslims", we too can have "wonderful Sufis" to get a secular licence to go and thrash Deobandis, Taliban, Islamists, etc.

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Postby vishvak » 11 May 2014 21:31

Well the idea of secularism can only give limited returns that it's domain is limited to. And we do know how selective it has been used by people who call themselves seculars to begin with.

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 May 2014 21:33

bhupendra chaubey ‏@bhupendrachaube 10m
On the eve of last phase of polling; here's my big picture. Nothing to do with any exit poll; @narendramodi will be sworn in as Pm on 16th

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Postby Kati » 11 May 2014 21:34

My humble quochhen / sujjecchhon:
1. Amit Shar should stay as NaMo's chief of staff - dousing all fires, and throwing flames where needed. Don't bog him down with any ministry. he has a greater role to play - to make sure of a massive victory for BJP in 2019 so that relevant constitutional amendments can be done without any hitch. he also needs to take care of the DDm once and for all.

2. I'm a bit surprised that Asifa Khan is quiet. I thought she should be given a more visible role, or perhaps fielded as a candidate. BJP needs more people like her to smash all stereo-typing by foreign media. herself being a journalist should be given the role to interact with videshi journos.

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Postby Gus » 11 May 2014 21:49

Singha wrote:He needs some revelation about the kind of maskirovka role sufism played in preparing the ground and diluting opposition for when the real shoe dropped. Brihaspatiji has exposed some of it in the context of bengal.


i would guess that he knows enough and that muslims are not a monolith and he is not averse in playing one against another. if sufi's were used as a layer that comes before hardcore jihad, it can also be reversed to get at jihadi elements.

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Postby SaiK » 11 May 2014 21:59

vnmshyam wrote:
IndraD wrote:http://i.imgur.com/RkV0DtA.jpg

10 others? I thought termites came out in the 100s/1000s

Do we all know the source of canadian AAP funds, and perhaps pipe&filtered from OPEC controlling nations? wahabie fund source is a certainity.

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Postby Yashu » 11 May 2014 22:02

niran wrote:BJP is ready for battle of Purvanchal, the army is replenished all personals have there weapons err battle plans/gadgets/food/water complete with places to be and wat to do whom to contact etc.

there are are about 15000 (ain't a typo) Amethia Thakurs( a very convulsed history ) voters spread over 54 villages in Salempur LS constituency they have pledged support for NaMo around 11000 are expected to vote.

all UP seats in UP except Azamgarh is in 90% zone in favor of BJP. contrary to MSM hogwash Mohtarma Patel is also in 90% zone in Mirzapur.

once again contrary to MSM telecasts in Varanasi it is NaMo NaMo all the way the onree unknown is the margin of win.

on 12th will discharge me constitutional dooty aid people to vote and file me report and by evening 13th will be back to me normal life of relieving
people of their money (for RKM onree.)


Niran ji thanks for the information Amethia Thakurs are historically Sangis, belong to the same lot, Ropan Chapara

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Postby vivek.rao » 11 May 2014 22:08

http://www.rediff.com/news/column/ls-el ... 140506.htm
9 ways the media brought Priyanka centre stage

When Harold Wilson, the former prime minister of England, said 'A week is a long time in politics,' he was making a profound observation. As a savvy negotiator, he realised small things can change the alchemy of a situation, coax people to read things differently. Last week, all India heard about was the inevitability of Narendra Modi. The Modi juggernaut was making its final move from Lucknow to Delhi.

Now suddenly, Modi looks tried, his voice seems hoarse, he seems to have lost his mana. He appears vulnerable. The same numbers which gave him a convenient margin now seem to add up differently. They appear to create doubt. A new electoral abacus creates a huge margin of doubt on many calculations.

At first sight, the reader is surprised. Then he realises the Modi phenomenon is being reframed. The media seems tired of the Modi epic and is creating a counterfoil. The media realises Rahul Gandhi might be inadequate, but Priyanka Gandhi can be groomed for the future. Her first interviews are inane, her speeches pedestrian.

Instead of reporting it matter of factly, the media, television, in particular, stages an alternative show. Realising the text needs to be worked on, it creates context as the new content. Media moves are quick, supple and effective. As a critic, all one can do is to unravel the steps in this semiotic act.

As a first step, Robert Vadra has to be sanitised and localised. The focus is not on the young man. The attack is seen as one on the family, the Gandhi family, our first family, our great legacy. The family is still a value while Vadra is seen as an add-on.

Step II, Rahul has to be sidelined, but affectionately. Enter Priyanka, the sister saying fondly 'My brother Rahul looks like Rajiv'. As affection pours down, attention shifts to her. The side show seems more promising than the main act. Presto, the media switches the attention frames. The attention is on Priyanka, the new Joan of Arc.

Step III, the media realises that she has to be represented more tersely, not as a harangue but as a collection of bytes, responses, telegrams and one-liners. The reactive has to be presented as active. Think of this: When Modi reportedly says 'She is like a daughter to me,' he invokes a different protocol of behaviour, a different sanskar, she reads him literally and answers, 'I am Rajiv's daughter'. Quick, abrupt and emphatic. There is no yielding to any weakness.

Step IV, Priyanka has to be presented as more than Priyanka. It is not enough that she is Sonia's daughter. That does not quicken the juices. The minute she is re-projected as evoking Indira, a different halo is created. It is a different aesthetics evoking her sarees, each chosen with a magisterial care, each echoing a craft tradition. It is a different politics because the till-now phlegmatic Priyanka is seen as the next Indira -- the Durga, the goddess.

Priyanka's tiredness disappears as she endears herself to the crowd. The smile, half chirp-half giggle makes her look at home. She is relaxed, enjoying politics in a way Rahul did not.

Step V, the counter-attack begins. The crowd warms up. Amethi and Rao Bareli feel they might lose their use value and exchange value if the Gandhis lose. They could become anonymous areas again.

The Vadra charge is met by the Gautam Adani counter-attack. Vadra's rise to real estate is presented as puny next to the Adani acquisitions which it probably is. Once a comparison of ledgers begins, the game can swing back and forth. It becomes like a score card of points rather than any understanding of cronyism or corruption.

Step VI, the BJP has to be presented on the back-foot. Modi's comments on Priyanka are re-edited to become an object of mockery. P Chidambaram observes that Modi might treat her (Priyanka) as a daughter, but Priyanka might not reciprocate the feeling. Suddenly, the elite in its snobbery treats Modi as an upstart.

Step VII, a reverse of the previous one. Replay Congress as a suave entity but re-run BJP as a touch of crudeness. Luck plays the Priyanka way as Uma Bharti, out of touch with popular culture, compares Priyanka and with starlet Rakhi Sawant. Both are seen as similar for creating spectacles that demand attention. Poor Bharti, it is she who seems irrelevant. The bite is gone. There is only a desperation.

Meanwhile, television anchor Arnab Goswami harangues a Smriti Irani, Rahul's rival on television. When Irani warns him she is running out of fuel, he imperiously remarks, 'Electricity is a state responsibility, one cannot blame the local MP for it.'


Step VIII, the media moves with great speed converting a non-event called Priyanka into a real event. The new battle-lines are drawn with Priyanka leading the charge against Modi. It is a new politics, a new heroics -- the underdog recharged leading the Congress to battle. One can see such scripted variants on many channels.

Step IX, the media moves to target side shows. More useful than Uma Bharti is Baba Ramdev. Ramdev's attack on Rahul is re-read as an attack on Dalits. Rahul dissolves into the background as the politically correct ask for Ramdev's apology followed by his arrest. One then creates a new ambience of politics contrasting Modi's tiredness against Priyanka's freshness.

All one needs are cliches about her poise, her grace or to contend like born-again evangelists that she is a 'natural'. Youth, freshness, poise, grace -- adjectives showered on her like rose petals evoke Priyanka as the next Indira Gandhi. The charisma and message are clear.



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Postby Gus » 11 May 2014 22:23

Think of this: When Modi reportedly says 'She is like a daughter to me,' he invokes a different protocol of behaviour, a different sanskar, she reads him literally and answers, 'I am Rajiv's daughter'. Quick, abrupt and emphatic. There is no yielding to any weakness.


modi did not "reportedly" say that. modi said something else that was misreported. it is quite easy to check what the facts are with a 2 min googal search.

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Postby LakshO » 11 May 2014 22:31

vivek.rao wrote:Muraliraviji

I had a heated argument with my Brother in law. His family is mentally retarded COngressis who say they will never vote for anyone else. My sister made sure she never returned his voting card confirmation letter as he was traveling so he could not vote. She voted for TDP+BJP thankfully :mrgreen:

He started giving me BS that BJP will get 160-170 and Congressis will get 100 seats.

I said I will shave my head if it goes below 190 and I predicted 210-240 seats.

Give me some good news so that I don't despair till May 16 about my hair and I hope to save my hair. :rotfl:


Sir, may I suggest Hanuman chalisa to cure any dhoti shivering :mrgreen: This will be entirely in tune with NaMo's rise to power. I personally believe that BJP/NaMo will end between 235-242 seats, excluding SS, SAD, TDP etc.

If you wish to tonsure your head, please consider heading to Tirumala/Tiurpati to offer your kesha sampada to the Lord Of Seven Hills!

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Postby Vikas » 11 May 2014 22:41

Gus wrote:
Think of this: When Modi reportedly says 'She is like a daughter to me,' he invokes a different protocol of behaviour, a different sanskar, she reads him literally and answers, 'I am Rajiv's daughter'. Quick, abrupt and emphatic. There is no yielding to any weakness.


modi did not "reportedly" say that. modi said something else that was misreported. it is quite easy to check what the facts are with a 2 min googal search.


Dumbness at its best. Thats why these Fake Gandhis feel like outsiders. Even if NaMo had said what is being attributed to him, Isn't it normal in India to make this comment towards younger girls/women.
Only a non-Indic person can retort like this. He was not claiming Mrs. Raabaart Vadra to be his long lost daughter in any case and media thinks that this woman can be be Pappu's replacement...

Only few times she has opened her mouth and all we have seen is vile and poison.
Anyways next time we hear her sob story would be outside Tihar jail while visiting hubby dear.


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