Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby SwamyG » 26 May 2014 10:28

Cosmo_R, Abhijit and all other Sanyasin supporting rationale....
I knew somebody will bring that rationale. My answer is this depiction which I know you know what it is.... Sure there are hazar freedom fighters who left their families for greater cause. A simple invitation to a ceremony is not betraying the cause nor diluting it. A Sanyasin if does not have wordly connections should not even be on the PM seat. And a saynsain would treat family and friends alike. So inviting all but the family is something that I cannot digest.

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Postby kmkraoind » 26 May 2014 10:36

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Postby kmkraoind » 26 May 2014 10:43

All these years, we are getting messages from Nigeria or from some African nation where the dictator wants to move the loot out of their nation and asking your cooperation from you for a cut.

Now do not be surprised, if you get message behalf of Sonia who wants to secure her loot from India.

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Postby SwamyG » 26 May 2014 10:44

Is NDTV deleting those tweets? I don't see any of them on Vikaram's TL.

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Postby sum » 26 May 2014 10:48

SaiK wrote:I dunno how come the southern commie land can give 8/20 seats to kala Angrez at their peek of downfall. Amazing!

Some folks on Twitter had posted voting patterns of Kerala and the downright "secular" voting patterns among the "educated mallus"

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Postby niran » 26 May 2014 12:58

Sachin wrote:BTW, in the commie heaven of Kerala, especially in FaceBook a story is going round - a famous astrologer in commie land has predicted that the swearing-in time is not auspicious, and the chap leading the ministry might have a risk of life. BTW, this post was made in a group which claims to have "atheists and rational thinkers" in it 8).

there is another story doing the rounds
Nostradamus had predicted in 2014 a middle aged man will be rruler of India and will rule for 20 years he will make India most powerful nation on Earth.

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Postby johneeG » 26 May 2014 13:24

Sachin wrote:BTW, in the commie heaven of Kerala, especially in FaceBook a story is going round - a famous astrologer in commie land has predicted that the swearing-in time is not auspicious, and the chap leading the ministry might have a risk of life. BTW, this post was made in a group which claims to have "atheists and rational thinkers" in it 8).


I have a theory that the places which had the greatest rigidity in the society became commie. In such a scenario, the people tried to be clever by changing superficially but keeping the the things same underneath. So, many upper castes dominate even in the commie world. Infact, since the caste is not even acknowledged officially, it becomes much worst. The same applies to converts out of Hindhuism to X-ism.

I think only Hindhuism provides a mechanism to handle these things like: astrology, caste-system(or clan-system or class). Hindhuism provides a mechanism to harmonize by balancing different views.

SwamyG wrote:Cosmo_R, Abhijit and all other Sanyasin supporting rationale....
I knew somebody will bring that rationale. My answer is this depiction which I know you know what it is.... Sure there are hazar freedom fighters who left their families for greater cause. A simple invitation to a ceremony is not betraying the cause nor diluting it. A Sanyasin if does not have wordly connections should not even be on the PM seat. And a saynsain would treat family and friends alike. So inviting all but the family is something that I cannot digest.

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But, why should it matter to others whether he invites his family or not? Why should you or me be concerned about his family? Whether he invites his family or not, is between him and his family, no? Why should you or me poke our nose into their affairs?

I think all the invitees have been invited as public supporters not as private friends. Sallu is a public supporter.

I think NaMo will also be trying to do some balancing act without any major departure from his previous behaviour. So far, he did not invite his family on such occassions. But, this seems like a major event and perhaps, the family would be expecting atleast an invitation. So, he'll consider both these things and arrive at a compromise depending on his inclination.

I don't mind if he invites his family and I am not disappointed if he does not invite his family. In a way, it is good, if he keeps his family out of state affairs. One of the major attractions of Modi has been that he is not into nepotism unlike other politicians.

I personally think that the family should be invited. However, there is a danger of it starting a chain of events and expectations within the family.

SwamyG wrote:KLNMurthy:
OT - As per my remembering the story by elders and general acceptance is that it was Draupadi that who laughed. But I have read translations where it is noted that Bhima and servants who laughed. I think ISKCON books say the "Queens" laughed (which includes Draupadi), and Yuddhistra tried to control them, and Krsna suggested Yuddhistra to allow the fun.

I agree with you the point is Duryodhana felt insulted. It does not matter who laughed at him - Bhima, Arjuna or Draupadi (or hazar other queens).

And we know the end result of the war, if Pakistan (and Sharif) knee jerks at the slightest remark as an insult and as a posture of aggressive India, then it is they who are at a loss.

The goal of this SAARC leaders invitation seems uncanny to Yuddhistra inviting everyone to Indraprastha. The party that feels insulted and cheated will perish. Scary and a fascinating chess move (or should I say dice game)?


Even before that incident, Dhuryodhana had already tried to assassinate the Paandavas along with their mother. So, his enmity has nothing to do with that incident. Even if Dhraupadhi did laugh, disrobing sister-in-law in a public assembly is inexcusable. Dhuryodhana himself doesn't seem to offer this excuse at all. It just seems like a modern trend to justify Dhuryodhana's action by citing that Dhraupadhi laughed.

Kati wrote:let's not dwell into Mahabharata as it has many many angles to look at it. From a social-class-angle, it is a saga of working class people eventually dominating the ruling (royal) class. The real winner in Mahabharata is Queen Satyavati (from Nishad community - socially lower class) - who ensured that her lineage gets hold of the throne, and the royal class gets weakened through fratricidal fighting. This is a research topic among social scientists. The actual lesson of mahabharata is Srimad Bhagavad gita. However, to impart the wisdom of Gita, the rest of the mahabharata story has been woven nicely around the contemporary social class-struggle, where Sri krishna, being from the Yadava community played the most significant role in weakening the royal class through the epic battle. .... (Just sharing another angle of research).


This seems like a commie interpretation to fit the whole narrative into a class struggle. Why would Sathyavathi be a winner in the war if her own descendents were killed in the war?

Now that I reread your post, the thought occurs to me is 'the war was fought by everyone not just royalty.' I maybe wrong on this, I would have to check MB.

Anyway, why would Krushna want to weaken royal class? How can royal class be weakened if Yuddhishtira becomes the Emperor? Wouldn't it have been much better to let the Paandavas also die, if the idea was to weaken the royal class? If Paandavas had also died, then Krushna could have become an Emperor Himself and thus Yadhavas could have become the new royalty. Eventually, the Yadhavas also died according to MB.

Rahul M wrote:swamy saar, I did not want to comment on this issue but your post forces me to.
kati ji has posted about Modi's RKM links in some thread, forgot which.

having interacted and observed RKM monks (old and young) from close quarters over a long time, his relation with family is EXACTLY how an RKM sannyasi interacts with family. they maintain close, if occasional ties with parents, especially mothers. but nothing more than exchanging pleasantries in case of other relatives, siblings included.

I wont be surprised if it comes out that he accepted sannyas at some point of time but kept his original name for public life. his interactions with his "purvashram" follow the same model. that article did note that he has mentioned that he would pen his relation with RKM in the future.

it is a complete mistake to judge him by the standards of a family man. he is anything but.


we need to throw away all our popular wisdom and think of the man from what we know. even bibek debroy says he is a follower of SV and vedanta. his life so far is exactly like one a sannyasi following karma-yog would lead.


It seems according to Sanyasa rites, mother still deserves respect even after Sanyasa. Aadhi Shankara's cremation of his mother was controversial even in his days. There is a story that some people objected to Shankara cremating his mother after becoming a Sanyasi. So, Shankara had to cremate his mother in the backyard. Then, he cursed that the people of that land will suffer similar fate and that they will have to bury their dead in their backyards(or something similar).

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby member_28468 » 26 May 2014 14:40

from unreal times not so unreal huh :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

The 4000 odd guests seated in the forecourt of the magnificent Rashtrapati Bhavan looked on in awe as Narendra Modi, resplendent in a bright yellow half-sleeved kurta with a hand on his hip, imperious in demeanor, leonine in mien, waited for the President to administer the oath of office that would make him the political head of one-fifth of humanity.

It was reminiscent of the coronation of a Hindu chakravartin: chief ministers of various Indian states and a smattering of heads of SAARC states from the Emir of Afghanistan to the monarch of Bhutan and the President of Sri Lanka were in attendance, craning their necks to catch a glimpse of the prime minister elect. The last such congregation of a galaxy of satraps had perhaps been for the investiture ceremony of the great Gupta Emperor, Samudra Gupta, in the fifth century AD. The symbolism was not lost on many: Just like emperors of yore, Narendra Damodardas Modi had conquered the hearts and minds of crores across vast swathes of India, extirpating those in the way, to claim the throne of Delhi. His power was now absolute, his authority unquestioned.
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Postby sum » 26 May 2014 15:42

Amit Shah not in Cabinet, to work to strengthen party

Today, the most important news after the Narendra Modi’s oath-taking is that Amit Shah, the man who gifted Modi a tremendous victory in Uttar Pradesh, will not be a Union minister.

He could have been accommodated in the Cabinet and even in the Prime Minister’s Office but Shah is keeping away from any post in the government.

Shah refused to take calls nor did he respond to messages.

It’s believed that he wants to strengthen the Bharatiya Janata Party at the all-India level. He wants to see that the gains made in terms of percentages of votes in West Bengal and Tamil Nadu are multiplied.

A source in the party said that Amit Shah is planning to learn Tamil and Bengali so that he can deal with workers in these two states.

Soon after the ceremony, he is planning to spend quality time with his family in Ahmedabad and then he will be travelling to the states where assembly elections are due later this year. Currently, he is general secretary of the party in charge of Uttar Pradesh.

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Postby Supratik » 26 May 2014 15:55

AS should be made BJP president.

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Postby prahaar » 26 May 2014 15:57

sum wrote:Amit Shah not in Cabinet, to work to strengthen party

Today, the most important news after the Narendra Modi’s oath-taking is that Amit Shah, the man who gifted Modi a tremendous victory in Uttar Pradesh, will not be a Union minister.

He could have been accommodated in the Cabinet and even in the Prime Minister’s Office but Shah is keeping away from any post in the government.

Shah refused to take calls nor did he respond to messages.

It’s believed that he wants to strengthen the Bharatiya Janata Party at the all-India level. He wants to see that the gains made in terms of percentages of votes in West Bengal and Tamil Nadu are multiplied.

A source in the party said that Amit Shah is planning to learn Tamil and Bengali so that he can deal with workers in these two states.

Soon after the ceremony, he is planning to spend quality time with his family in Ahmedabad and then he will be travelling to the states where assembly elections are due later this year. Currently, he is general secretary of the party in charge of Uttar Pradesh.


AS deserves tight personal security, although it may be detrimental to his work. Some working arrangement needs to be worked out. The kind of vote consolidation this guy is capable of achieving is nothing less than miraculous.

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Postby SanjayC » 26 May 2014 16:02

Barkha's information source about cabinet formation finally revealed.

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Postby satya » 26 May 2014 16:30

Shamlee wrote:
matrimc wrote:
Both are moral mistakes - in the first case had he run into a smaller vehicle - in fact the chances are high that he would gave run into one because he was driving a high powered vehicle - a gainfully employed breadwinner parent of young children or a newly married person or a grown up son/ daughter of old disabled people would have got killed. The second is again a moral aloes because he shot and killed an endangered animal. Would you say the same if somebody goes and kills one of those magnificent tigers in ranathambore? There is a reason why there are laws to conserve endangered species so that they don't go extinct. Being a popular actor he should have behaved more responsibly an should have known the implications.


Wheareas the driving over people sleeping on the road was unintentional, the killing of black bucks was definitely intentional. And this from a person who calls himself an animal lover and says that his family does not sacrifice animals on bakri-id. I feel hunting as a sport should be made illegal.



Once there was a prince who in glorious tradition of royal families had a thing for 'naach girls/ actress ( one & same thing for these gents ) specially when the actress shared a drink out of courtesy under the same roof/hotel/ royal property . Unlucky as it became for the particular actor who was doing film shoot in the prince's territory with this actress . Night came and prince was drunk sofinally he made up his mind on who would accompany him in his royal chambers and in typical royal style 'decreed' that the actor must escort the 'actress' to his royal chambers .But actor thought he was still the macho man of movies so what happened next is history known to all as the black buck hunting case .

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Postby Murugan » 26 May 2014 16:34

^ BS reporting by HT on mob clashing on petty issue

Btw, IndraD ji, it is not communal riot at all

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Postby member_22733 » 26 May 2014 16:48

^^^ Note that HT used "Hindu Nationalist" like any western rag does. That article is for the western audience.

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Postby Anantha » 26 May 2014 17:07

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_India
Who will change this at 6 pm when Tiger is sworn in?

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Postby Anantha » 26 May 2014 17:14

Jhujar
That Mantras by Pt. Jasrajji is awesome.
The one I posted if you read the words is about coronation of King of Dilli

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Postby muraliravi » 26 May 2014 17:19

Hamid Karzai folds his hands in traditional hindu style, while nawaz sharif was waving with his single hand like a filmi

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Postby Murugan » 26 May 2014 17:25

Take This

Sheroo Arrived in SCORPIO ONLEE !!!

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Postby Muppalla » 26 May 2014 17:27

Looks like Modi had put on some weight. May be he did not get time to do fitness exercises during the campaign.

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Postby SwamyG » 26 May 2014 17:28

johneeG wrote:But, why should it matter to others whether he invites his family or not? Why should you or me be concerned about his family? Whether he invites his family or not, is between him and his family, no? Why should you or me poke our nose into their affairs?

Why should it matter that we have discussion forums on the Internet? Why cannot BRF close its shop and throw the key into a point? What use is any opinion? Why should it matter to any government about public opinion? Why should it matter to the Dhobi what Rama or Sita did?

Why should it matter to you what I say out on an internet forum? Why should you make such weak arguments?

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Postby sum » 26 May 2014 17:33

^^ Cant still believe seeing NaMo taking oath as PM!

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Postby member_23658 » 26 May 2014 17:34

jai bhavani! har har mahadeo. vende mataram!!
have waited for this day for 10 years!!

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Postby Anantha » 26 May 2014 17:35

Tiger is PM . Bharat Mata ki jai

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Postby SandeepA » 26 May 2014 17:35

Proudest day..
Prime Minister Narendra Modi
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Postby member_22733 » 26 May 2014 17:36

PM Modi ki JAI!

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Postby Shaktimaan » 26 May 2014 17:38

I have goosebumps. The day has finally arrived. Modiji is PM!

BHARAT MATA KI JAI! JAI HIND!

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Postby Anantha » 26 May 2014 17:41

MF, harami
Shakeel Ahmad ‏@Ahmad_Shakeel 5m
GOD,SAVE THE NATION.

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Postby IndraD » 26 May 2014 17:43

8 seems to be Modi's lucky number (Lord of Saturn)
Date selected 26=8
Ministers inducted 44=8
And his B Day is also 17 Sep=8

!!!!!!

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Postby Anantha » 26 May 2014 17:44

That moment which the last Govt,along with media,intelligentsia & academics local & foreign, tried to prevent with all their might is HERE!!
Jai Bharatwasi for electing a chaiwala

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Postby Yagnasri » 26 May 2014 17:45

Anantha wrote:MF, harami
Shakeel Ahmad ‏@Ahmad_Shakeel 5m
GOD,SAVE THE NATION.

Seems Sonia converted him in the RC. He is saying GOD instead of saying Allah. Stupid fellow.

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Postby Neela » 26 May 2014 17:46

prahaar wrote:

AS deserves tight personal security, although it may be detrimental to his work. Some working arrangement needs to be worked out. The kind of vote consolidation this guy is capable of achieving is nothing less than miraculous.


That was my secret prayer -AS is allowed to roam to conquer new lands.
Hopefully Modi is able to consolidate until 2019 in the heartland.
The void that CPM and DMK are leaving needs filling - predators dont miss opportuinities like this.

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Postby Sridhar K » 26 May 2014 17:47

Rumours are ripe in TN magazines that Modi has asked Captain (Vijaykant) to merge his party in the BJP and he is seriously contemplating it.

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Postby Hari Seldon » 26 May 2014 17:48

Amitbhai Shah should be the new BJP prez, IMO.

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Postby Neela » 26 May 2014 17:53

Sridhar K wrote:Rumours are ripe in TN magazines that Modi has asked Captain (Vijaykant) to merge his party in the BJP and he is seriously contemplating it.


Interesting. The first thing that one needs is Karyakartas. Instead of building a KaryaKarta base, BJP is co-opting.
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Postby Muppalla » 26 May 2014 17:54

Finally the unbelievable moment has occurred. NaMo the PM with a complete mandate is never ever thought off as a possibility. India has rescued itself from the downslide. Hope the best for the future.

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Postby Murugan » 26 May 2014 17:55

Did not see any gori chamdi guest in this gathering

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Postby AkshayM » 26 May 2014 17:56

Why is Sonia in first row along with other heads of state?

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Anantha » 26 May 2014 17:58

If you noticed Pappu Rahul and some others were sitting thru the national anthem


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