Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 28 May 2014 08:30

Mr Mehta,
Your agenda seems to be to spread FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) with the ulterior motive still not clear to me. Your argument on why TV-channel-owners want Smriti Irani to become Education Minister is the most ludicrous I have ever come across.

If you are not driven by any ulterior motives, I sincerely request you to see a shrink (I don't mean this as an insult, but genuinely feel that way).

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 28 May 2014 08:33

But why not someone like Arun Shourie/ SSwamy or other educated activists as HRD minister. Perhaps Nirmala Sitharaman
Smriti Irani could very well be handed another ministry if the goal is to groom her.
My issue is that Ms. Irani will lack credibility with the educationists and other factions. I am certain that she is capable etc but perceptions also matter and this will make her job much harder.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 May 2014 08:35

^
Not with the backing of NaMo himself. Anyone thinking or doing otherwise is risking their own skin.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 28 May 2014 08:37

^^ Not really. Why fight unnecessary battles? Give her another post - women and children (she is very driven about that) and be done with it.
There are bigger battles to fight.
Perhaps there were two factions with the BJP and one took some postings and left some others for Namo.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 28 May 2014 08:38

Smriti is simply a proxy for PM. PM is going to take the JNU Jholas head on. Smriti is a front, to destroy the dynasty in the next elections, by making Amethi developed in 5 years.

Jarita · Post by **Jarita** » 28 May 2014 08:39

Smriti can make Amethi developed by being incharge of Women and Children ministries as well.
Adopt path of no resistance where possible

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 28 May 2014 08:43

Modi does not want a powerful person in HRD. He wants a junior minister as he is personally going to run the HRD dept. Smriti fits the bill. She will get more credit than due, simultaneously Amethi will be developed to challenge the dynasty. Basically Rahul will be forced to give up Amethi.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 May 2014 08:46

NaMo must have known all the facts before deciding on making Smriti the HRD minister. He is not the one to overlook the obvious bet. Looks like he not only considers her capable of doing good work in HRD ministry but he may actually want to bring down the high priests of higher education down some notches by making them report to a 10th pass. How do we know he is not going to relish a fight in the HRD ministry with the existing network of jholawallas?

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 28 May 2014 09:10

What good have the so-called educated people like Kapil Sibal done in the HRD ministry? What good have highly qualified people like Chidambaran done for the finance department? Nobody questioned the lack of educational qualifications of Mrs. Indira Gandhi or Mr. Rajiv Gandhi for that matter. Is it necessary to be a pilot to be a civil aviation minister or a defense expert to become a defense minister? So, why this hue and cry about HRD?

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 28 May 2014 09:37

^+1. Don't forget the high school graduate Ms. Sonia Manio who ran the country for 10 years (ran it into the ground). No one bothers questioning them. To say the truth, I think all this disgusting whining about Modi and his Ministers is all down to the serious mental disability of some Hindus, who cannot bear to see their leaders be anything less than Gods. If there is a slightest hint of humanity with them, they pull them down mercilessly. The same people do not bother to bat an eyelid about the failings of the enemy. Who cares, so long as they are obsessed with their Godly leader yearnings. What a disgusting mental retardation to have.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 May 2014 09:39

Bhaskar Chatterjee ‏@BhaskarChat 1h

Also, GOI should contact French Govt immediately to setup a Savarkar memorial at Marseilles. UPA Govt rejected French proposal.

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Prime Minister Narendra Modi going to Parliament to pay tribute to Veer Savarakar

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 28 May 2014 10:00

I have seen the carrot now I am waiting to see a hint of the stick. I am more than happy if India finally decides to have a stick, forget using it. So I have decided to wait and watch.

NaMo will fail to deliver onlee.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 28 May 2014 10:51

NS visit is similar to Rafsanjani visit to India after the Babri Masjid riots or ABV ending Mushy's isolation by inviting him to Agra. I would say NS played into NaMo's hands by coming to Delhi.

Good move by NaMo.

member_28025 · Post by **member_28025** » 28 May 2014 10:52

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I know I am biased but I think that "Narendra Damodardas Modi" is The best.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 May 2014 11:02

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Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 28 May 2014 11:23

Narendra Modi must get one term before on BRF we start finding CT's or him getting affected by piss prize etc.
Most of us have worked for or prayed for his ascension and lets not be thankless to our stars who brought him in power during our life time. He is not a unknown quantity and he knows what he is doing.
To say someone would have negotiated ministries with him is ludicrous. With the landslide mandate that he got for himself, his party and allies, do you think anyone in BJP or allies could even suggest negotiations with him.
He got the best among those available and aligned to his vision of India.
Some of his choices will perform and some will perish and thats how this govt will work in next 5 years.

I for one will always always support him because the consequences of him not winning in 2019 or attacked incessantly can be horrible. We have seen what happened once ABV lost in 2004.
Never ever again Islam-Pasand dhimmi plus western lackey combination should ever come to power. We will not get second chances again and again.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 May 2014 12:17

Modi was clear what he wanted Human Resource development to focus on in his speeches. Development of mass employable skillsets. Welders, technicians, electricians, refrigeration mechanics, services sectors training and so on, the ITI grads and not IIT ones. For too much time HRD honchos focussed on IIT kinds (even messing that up) and did little to focus on ITI kinds. For that he does not need a MMJ type cocky old sod not willing to listen to his mandated vision and doing his own thing, he'd rather put a greenhorn with ability to learn and listen to him. Smriti Irani fits that bill.

AjayKK · Post by **AjayKK** » 28 May 2014 12:23

Link: http://www.narendramodi.in/narendra-mod ... -savarkar/

On this note some words of Veer Savarkar at Mahasabha's 20th Session Nagpur - 1938

The only way which is also unbelievably easy, not only to chastise Congress Nationalist fad but even to raise Hindudom to in calculably powerful position in the land at a stroke is under the present circumstances this:
(1) Boycott the Congress;
(2) Don't vote for the Congress ticket and
(3) Vote only for a confirmed and merited Hindu Nationalist.

Let no Hindu Sanghatanist pay a single farthing or lend a single member or register a single vote for the Congress ticket. We know by experience that even a staunch Hindu has to act against Hindu interests as soon as he is tainted by a Congress ticket under the Congress discipline and for the selfish fear that he would otherwise lose his job.

Every Hindu is required by the constitution to vote for whomsoever he likes. So long as bayonets do not extort your votes against your own will for an anti-Hindu candidate, so long it is the easiest and legitimate thing for you to vote for a Hindu Nationalist. If but every Hindu does that easy duty for his race Hindudom is saved. And if the Hindus do not do even that much and determine to commit a cultural and political and racial suicide by voting for an anti-Hindu and anti-National organization as the Congress has grown today into one-not even Brahmadeva can save you.

This is the inexpungeable law in this matter-of-fact world: Capture and have the political power that exists. Then raise the standard of a Hindu Nation! See to it that India must remain a Hindusthan forever, never a Pakistan and an Anglisthan never never !!!

And let all India resound with
Hindu Dharmaki Jay ! Hindu Rashtraki Jay !! Vande Mataram !!!

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 May 2014 12:52

^^ Hopefully, the plaque of Shri Saravkar will be back in Port Blair after that &*#@ Gandhi family bootlicker had got it removed in UPA1

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 28 May 2014 12:58

The only way which is also unbelievably easy, not only to chastise Congress Nationalist fad but even to raise Hindudom to in calculably powerful position in the land at a stroke is under the present circumstances this:
(1) Boycott the Congress;
(2) Don't vote for the Congress ticket and
(3) Vote only for a confirmed and merited Hindu Nationalist.

Unfortunately, since 1938, Hindus have taken this golden advice only thrice - 1977, 2004 and 2014. Hopefully, they will not go back to their old ways again in 2019.

We know by experience that even a staunch Hindu has to act against Hindu interests as soon as he is tainted by a Congress ticket under the Congress discipline and for the selfish fear that he would otherwise lose his job.

And if the Hindus do not do even that much and determine to commit a cultural and political and racial suicide by voting for an anti-Hindu and anti-National organization as the Congress has grown today into one-not even Brahmadeva can save you.

Amazing that the anti-Hindu and anti-national character of Congress was so visible even in 1938! Gandhi was the main driver of this anti-Hinduism and Nehru was the main driver of anti-nationalism, and both were being applauded by the Goras in running the racket as their proxies. Congress still retains the same character and went to the extent of appointing a white woman as leader of independent India! A pox on this party and all congressmen and all blind Hindus who continue to vote for it.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 28 May 2014 13:06

harbans wrote:Modi was clear what he wanted Human Resource development to focus on in his speeches. Development of mass employable skillsets. Welders, technicians, electricians, refrigeration mechanics, services sectors training and so on, the ITI grads and not IIT ones. For too much time HRD honchos focussed on IIT kinds (even messing that up) and did little to focus on ITI kinds. For that he does not need a MMJ type cocky old sod not willing to listen to his mandated vision and doing his own thing, he'd rather put a greenhorn with ability to learn and listen to him. Smriti Irani fits that bill.

What you say is right. But guess what, ITI's are under labour ministry AFAIK and not MHRD. In fact a lot of the technical related education is determined by the concerned ministry. So medical education is controlled by Ministry of Health. MHRD is mostly concerned with adult and primary education and engineering and management education. Now what qualification or expertise Smriti or even Namo has to determine how to increase PhD's in engineering in India I would like to know. A person like Arun Shourie would have been a better fit.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 28 May 2014 13:13

ShankarCag wrote:
harbans wrote:Modi was clear what he wanted Human Resource development to focus on in his speeches. Development of mass employable skillsets. Welders, technicians, electricians, refrigeration mechanics, services sectors training and so on, the ITI grads and not IIT ones. For too much time HRD honchos focussed on IIT kinds (even messing that up) and did little to focus on ITI kinds. For that he does not need a MMJ type cocky old sod not willing to listen to his mandated vision and doing his own thing, he'd rather put a greenhorn with ability to learn and listen to him. Smriti Irani fits that bill.
What you say is right. But guess what, ITI's are under labour ministry AFAIK and not MHRD. In fact a lot of the technical related education is determined by the concerned ministry. So medical education is controlled by Ministry of Health. MHRD is mostly concerned with adult and primary education and engineering and management education. Now what qualification or expertise Smriti or even Namo has to determine how to increase PhD's in engineering in India I would like to know. A person like Arun Shourie would have been a better fit.

If you want to know wait for few months.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 28 May 2014 13:18

ShankarCag wrote:Now what qualification or expertise Smriti or even Namo has to determine how to increase PhD's in engineering in India I would like to know. A person like Arun Shourie would have been a better fit.

By that logic, the civil aviation minister needs to be a working pilot.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 28 May 2014 13:23

^^^Now thats a strawman argument. One should have some experience in dealing with these matters which is why I gave the example of Arun Shourie who isn't an engineering or management PhD but does understand the nuances to frame appropriate policy.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 May 2014 13:28

amdavadi wrote:On BRF, some members were hoping NM would nook the Sh1t out of pakis the minute he took oath as a PM.

It didnt happen so modi is a sellout & loss of credibility to NM govt....

Actually , if you watch the body language of NS and his entire team at their Press Meet it seemed they had been nuked by NM in their first meeting . So stiff and no smiles. Everyone seemed to be in a hurry to leave India as they had been ramrodded.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 May 2014 13:29

Arun Shourie would be perfect as HRD minister. Of all ministry choices by the govt. Only Smriti Irani sticks out like a sore thumb. It is not merely about her academics, even politically she is a fly weight.

This and absence of Rudy are most puzzling. Other choices are good.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 May 2014 13:30

Shankar ji, not so fast. Look at this report from the UPA time. You'll see the confusion that Modi has been trying to also clear in reducing ministries. Do read this report, so typical of the confusion prevailing in the last decades (this is from just a couple of months back):

It has yet to decide which ministry would be in charge of setting the skills standards and accreditation systems envisaged under the new framework. Two central ministries - human resources development, led by Kapil Sibal, and labour ministry, headed by Mallikarjun Kharge- are independently developing such a framework, duplicating efforts and heading into a domain skirmish.

Singh stepped into the imbroglio over skills development, a subject close to his heart, at a meeting in late February where it was pointed out that no country has two departments evolving independent frameworks on the same subject.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... mework-hrd

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 28 May 2014 13:36

INC's anti-hindu tilt was visible in 1917 itself with Khilafat mvmt. thankfully for Hindus Tilak was still alive then and Lal-Bal-Pal were calling shots in INC. Post death of Tilak in 1920, the Moplah riots broke out and INC showed its fugly face. The self-screwing that MKG after withdrawal of Non-Cooperation mvmt after chauri-chaura disillusioned many young and killed rest.

I had said earlier. Savarkar and Hedgewar saved generations of Hindus from being butchered and OR becoming communists. If not for Mahasabha and RSS, Hindus were goner in 1920s.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95096849/Hist ... r-Savarkar

check out compilation of historical prophetic warnings to Hindus and India by Savarkar time and again.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 28 May 2014 13:37

^^^IMHO Sibal was trolling on the Labour ministry's turf. No wonder soon after that he was shunted out of MHRD and it was given to Pallam Raju.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 May 2014 13:37

Jarita wrote:But why not someone like Arun Shourie/ SSwamy or other educated activists as HRD minister. Perhaps Nirmala Sitharaman
Smriti Irani could very well be handed another ministry if the goal is to groom her.
My issue is that Ms. Irani will lack credibility with the educationists and other factions. I am certain that she is capable etc but perceptions also matter and this will make her job much harder.

This is a political decision and Smirit and MP(RS) is well qualified to become a Minister in any Ministry NM deems her fit. There are enough technical and other advise available to run the ministry. She doesn't need any more education that she already has and proven herself in her chosen field. People are confusing Wisdom and education with Literacy which is imparted in colleges .

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 28 May 2014 13:56

This is a pretty significant statement from RSS, though I don't know if their stand was otherwise earlier

The remark by RSS spokesperson Ram Madhav that the criminalisation of homosexuality is debatable appears to be among the remarkable surprises that the BJP-led NDA government has on offer. According to a report by Times of India, Madhav has reportedly said that “while he did not glorify certain kinds of behaviour covered by Section 377, it was debatable whether they should be considered a crime.”

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/rss-s ... ef_article

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 28 May 2014 13:59

Rudy may well be groomed to take over as Bihar CM after the next polls. Sushil Modi can move to the center.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 May 2014 14:05

Atri wrote:INC's anti-hindu tilt was visible in 1917 itself with Khilafat mvmt. thankfully for Hindus Tilak was still alive then and Lal-Bal-Pal were calling shots in INC. Post death of Tilak in 1920, the Moplah riots broke out and INC showed its fugly face. The self-screwing that MKG after withdrawal of Non-Cooperation mvmt after chauri-chaura disillusioned many young and killed rest.

I had said earlier. Savarkar and Hedgewar saved generations of Hindus from being butchered and OR becoming communists. If not for Mahasabha and RSS, Hindus were goner in 1920s.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/95096849/Hist ... r-Savarkar

check out compilation of historical prophetic warnings to Hindus and India by Savarkar time and again.

very interesting indeed. some of his writings sound like BR threads!

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 28 May 2014 14:36

Savarkar on 06/09/1965 wrote:NOW LET NOTHING STOP OUR ARMY IN THEIR FORWARD MARCH. THROUGH FEAR OF WHAT OTHERS MIGHT SAY WE MUST NOT RETREAT THE NATION IS MADE TO SUFFER THE EVIL EFFECT OF THE WEAK-KNEED POLICY OF THE NEHRU GOVERNMENT. (If he goes for talks post war) Shastriji will be beguiled into agreeing, or the sake of peace, to the withdrawal of our troops and giving up of every inch of territory our soldiers have conquered. Only reprisals of the same kind and measure will stop Pakistani aggression. It is not enough to have friendly relations with Russia and America. We must immediately take up a plan to equip India with all kinds of nuclear weapons and missiles. If China could establish large factories in Sinkiang to produce nuclear weapons Indian scientists can certainly do so in one or two years. But so long as the government is taking no steps in this direction, all our talk of goodwill and friendship will be of no avail. It is necessary for the central government toincrease our military strength and armaments.

This is his final warning to GOI. He gave up thereafter and soon entered the vrata of Praayopaveshana and gave up food and water and embraced death at will. Unfortunately for us, all his warnings were neglected by Nehruvian and Congressi establishment. his warnings on aggression of China as early as 1950 are indeed astonishing. He would have been ideal candidate to succeed Sardar as Home Minister of India at least, if not PM.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 May 2014 14:39

there might be some reason that the PM chose smriti for this role, but frankly I cant see it.
even modi is due one mistake I guess.

p.s. the logic that the past HRD ministers with degrees didn't do much is a major fallacy, that in no way implies getting someone less educated is the solution.

a_bharat · Post by **a_bharat** » 28 May 2014 14:40

It is OK to question Smriti Irani's inclusion as a minister with cabinet rank based on her experience or maturity, but linking it to academic degrees isn't right. I would be more concerned about her maturity than her ability. Though very articulate, she occasionally makes arrogant, caustic remarks.

Virendra · Post by **Virendra** » 28 May 2014 14:41

Sanku wrote:Arun Shourie would be perfect as HRD minister. Of all ministry choices by the govt. Only Smriti Irani sticks out like a sore thumb. It is not merely about her academics, even politically she is a fly weight.

This and absence of Rudy are most puzzling. Other choices are good.

I agree.
Shourie is the bane of leftist cabal that call themselves academia and scholars.
He would've been instrumental in ridding books of the BS that our teengarers are gulping.
Will have to wait and watch now.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 28 May 2014 14:49

saravana wrote:This is a pretty significant statement from RSS, though I don't know if their stand was otherwise earlier

The remark by RSS spokesperson Ram Madhav that the criminalisation of homosexuality is debatable appears to be among the remarkable surprises that the BJP-led NDA government has on offer. According to a report by Times of India, Madhav has reportedly said that “while he did not glorify certain kinds of behaviour covered by Section 377, it was debatable whether they should be considered a crime.”

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/politics/rss-s ... ef_article

welcome move.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 28 May 2014 14:50

Rahul M wrote:there might be some reason that the PM chose smriti for this role, but frankly I cant see it.
even modi is due one mistake I guess.

p.s. the logic that the past HRD ministers with degrees didn't do much is a major fallacy, that in no way implies getting someone less educated is the solution.

As is the fallacy that getting someone less educated will not fix the problem.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 28 May 2014 15:26

Come on guys, after MMS and his spectacular qualifications, are we really debating how one's degrees are relevant?