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^^Amen to that.

Having said that, it appears many of us on BRF live exclusively on a diet of words.
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It seems NaMo has put on a lot of weight in the last few months. I was watching his Bhutan video and he seems really out of shape. He should lighten up, his health is paramount right now.
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Chandragupta wrote:It seems NaMo has put on a lot of weight in the last few months. I was watching his Bhutan video and he seems really out of shape. He should lighten up, his health is paramount right now.
NaMo is wearing a bullet proof jacket that is why he looks out of shape.
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Sanku wrote:Some who has helmed the 2014 win for BJP along with NaMo is incompetent ?

I will take more such incompetence then.
I don't know, he could have stepped in kalyan's place to take charge of BJP in UP and brought them to power or at least not let them go so down, like Keshu was being pulled down by vaghela so many times but once NaMo stepped in he put an end to all congis-vaghelas etc.

Again now in UP by sending Amit Shah NaMo brought BJP to 73 seats, doubt if UP was left to Rajnath he'd have accomplished much.

His only credit is that without bringing in his ego he supported NaMo from candidature of PM till now without any hiccups.
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Chandragupta wrote:It seems NaMo has put on a lot of weight in the last few months. I was watching his Bhutan video and he seems really out of shape. He should lighten up, his health is paramount right now.
He may be wearing a bullet proof jacket, which adds significant heft. Look at his interview videos (in his official residence) and then videos during public events, there seems to be a difference.
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Sanku wrote:Some who has helmed the 2014 win for BJP along with NaMo is incompetent ?

I will take more such incompetence then.
Not incompetent Sanku ji but very ordinary.
Winning elections and being a able administrator are apples and oranges Saar. Even SG won 2004 and 2009 for Congress. Even MSY and his son won UP last time.

Pls go thru his reign when he was CM of UP or Agriculture minsiter in ABV govt.
What great shakes he managed then ?
I would still say that he was an ordinary choice for HM. NaMo's team had far more deserving candidates to be HM. Heck one Subbu Swamy would have been a far better option.
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VikasRaina wrote:. NaMo's team had far more deserving candidates to be HM. Heck one Subbu Swamy would have been a far better option.
the bold part
why? has Subu Swamy been home administering anywhere? no, na, so how do you know he would make fantastic Home Minister?
Rajnath Singh is a RSS well he use to administer evening Sakha which moi use to go, has full backing from RSS gave unflinching support
to NaMo for PM candidature, please do not forget LKA, susuma and party actions they tried till the last moment to sabotage NaMo for PM and get one of themselves as the candidate, all through this onree Rajnath Singh and Nitin Gadcurry supported NaMo.
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Privatisation of property around Narendra Modi's 7RCR will reap highest revenue

Except strategic sensitives areas, i.e. around of PM's house, let co-develop (builder bears cost and builder get 20-30% and GoI gets 70-80%) whole Luetyen zone with high rise apartments to accommodate babus, netas and MPs.
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Sanku wrote:Some who has helmed the 2014 win for BJP along with NaMo is incompetent ?

I will take more such incompetence then.
Rajnath's previous stint as UP CM as marked by extraordinarily cynical politics (how many people remember dividing the Dalits into Dalit, more Dalit, and most Dalit in a bid to divide Mayawati's vote?). But, that apart, he was a decent administrator, and did well, particularly on the law and order front.
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nageshks wrote: Rajnath's previous stint as UP CM as marked by extraordinarily cynical politics (how many people remember dividing the Dalits into Dalit, more Dalit, and most Dalit in a bid to divide Mayawati's vote?). But, that apart, he was a decent administrator, and did well, particularly on the law and order front.
nageshks ji; I have lived in UP when Rajnath Singh was the admin in UP.

I do remember; and agree with you.
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Chandragupta wrote:It seems NaMo has put on a lot of weight in the last few months. I was watching his Bhutan video and he seems really out of shape. He should lighten up, his health is paramount right now.
I was thinking the same looking at his Bhutan pics. I even chacha'ed his height and weight yesterday. He does seem very overweight recently.

Maybe prahaar is right about BP vest.
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nageshks wrote:
Sanku wrote:Some who has helmed the 2014 win for BJP along with NaMo is incompetent ?

I will take more such incompetence then.
Rajnath's previous stint as UP CM as marked by extraordinarily cynical politics (how many people remember dividing the Dalits into Dalit, more Dalit, and most Dalit in a bid to divide Mayawati's vote?). But, that apart, he was a decent administrator, and did well, particularly on the law and order front.
A family friend from UP, decently connected, remembers Rajnath as a "tough administrator". Basically not as bad as BRF says he is.
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http://www.rediff.com/news/column/ls-el ... 140516.htm
We had the best of young software engineers, scientists, IIT-ians, ex-Harvard, Wharton and Cambridge stars, who were totally committed to the RSS ideology. Yet we were shown as the most retrogressive, backward lot.

We were so hated that we felt cornered. Our relatives, RSS supporters, told us, don't tell an officer that I go to a shakha. It was like an offence.

RSS leaders were never invited to Presidential banquets and Republic Day or Independence Day celebrations though the Muslim League, the party responsible for the partition of India, was invited to join the Union government and was privileged to be seated next to the high and the mighty. But those who swore on the tricolour, worshipped Mother India, were declared pariahs.


Day in and day out, the State-controlled media and secular mediahouses spread lies about us, twisted facts. Anti-Hindu professional liars were their star performers, they told the world that Hindutva forces and Hindutva are synonymous with hatred and against the very fabric of the nation's civil life.

English language newspapers refused to publish our columns and even if someone somewhere would sometimes oblige and have our views, that would be once in a blue moon, so that they could tell the world about their objective, independent, editorial policy. Though the opportunist in some of these mediahouses very soon sensed the new wind and had started giving space to the 'previously hated' leaders.

Doors were shut on us, the government would threaten us every now and then scan who are the RSS employees in their fold, anyone who had anything to do with the soul of this nation -- the Hindu dharma and civilisation -- was kept at a safe distance.

The British mindset and the hateful attitude of the invaders who came from beyond the Khyber Pass was in full swing.

They not only edited the Modi interview, every single media of the State-run Prasar Bharati was mortgaged to the secular sirens of the big mediahouses, who masqueraded in these forums as 'journalists' and used choicest abuses. I was once on Doordarshan, and the programme producer, a highly-respected editor, ex-BBC, was immediately de-commissioned. So much for the freedom of the press of these secular hate-bags.

They called Modi 'Hero of Hate', a 'merciless bigot', napunsak (impotent), a chaiwallah who could sell tea at a Congress conclave. They ran front-page columns describing his 'murderous spree'. Every single institution in Gujarat was dubbed 'untrustworthy'.
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Election 2014: Modi versus Macaulay's ghost
The post-mandate comments that ‘darkness has descended on India’ show the kind of opposition Narendra Modi has to overcome. It is this aspirational India that is attempting to throw away the shackles of Macaulayism. Make no mistake, it is a tectonic shift and a beginning of the end of the Macaulayan mindset that has ‘ruled’ India for close to 60 years, says Colonel (retd) Anil Athale.
When Modi, on reaching of the steps of Parliament, bowed down, he in essence asserted for the first time a very Bharatiya tradition. A tradition that is followed by the humble railway ‘gangman’ (rail track checker; observe a new group of track patrol men joining duty, they will touch the rail tracks with reverence) to even highly-paid white-collar bank employees, who also touch the steps of their work premise with reverence before entering their office.

This was no ordinary gesture/event; it was an assertion of Indian ethnicity and pride in showing his Indianness in public.


The two worldviews that were in contest, as a subtext of the just-concluded elections, were India as a State to give economic succour to its citizens versus India as a civilisational State with its own worldview, philosophy, aesthetics, music, art and culture.

The Bharatiya Janata Party inarticulately defines it as ‘cultural nationalism’ when what they mean is Indian civilisational nationalism. Partly this confusion can be attributed to the fact that in Hindi the words civilisation and culture have a common and interchangeable term -- sanskriti and sabhyata. Culture is an expression of civilisation but it is civilisation that is supreme and defines the philosophy of the people.

Historian Arnold J Toynbee had offered an explanation for the rise and fall of civilisations. He visualised civilisation as a living organism going through the cycle of birth, growth, stagnation, decline, demise and rebirth. He saw long-term history as a contest between challenge and response. Thus, when Indian civilisation faced Islamic onslaught and military defeat from the 13th century, the Indians led by Marathas under the leadership of Shivaji checked the expansion of the Mughals.
Lord Macaulay’s famous Minute on Education dated February 2, 1835, has shaped the Indian elite's perceptions for close to two centuries. The British prevailed because they had the technology of rail and telegraph combined with firearms to which the Indians had no answer.

But the British were cleverer than other imperial rulers. They ruled India through Indians. To this end they created, through a Macaulayan system of education, a class of Indians that had no pride in their culture, no confidence in their ability and were virtual mental slaves. Extracts from that famous Minute read like it was written in January 2014 and not 1835.

'That English is better worth knowing than Sanskrit or Arabic; that the natives are desirous to be taught English, and are not desirous to be taught Sanskrit or Arabic; We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect. To that class we may leave it to refine the vernacular dialects of the country.'

The two main points of that education policy were:

A total disdain for any kind of Indian knowledge/achievements in the past as ‘the entire Indian literature on any subject cannot even fill two shelves in any European library’ (paraphrased).
The English must have an education system to serve its Empire and create a class of Brown sahibs and clerks.
At the risk of oversimplification, one can summarise the salient points of Macaulayism as under:

India was a creation of the British -- they unified the several kingdoms etc. Never mind that consolidation of nation states was a 19th century phenomenon when India was already a British colony or that Germany or Italy attained political unity only in the 19th century, or that British India still had close to 400 princely states. Historical memories of vast Indian empires of the past including Chandragupta, Ashoka, Samudragupta or Vikramaditya was not history but mythology. The Indian subcontinent’s cultural unity was also a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh myth.
But for British rule India would have remained in the bullock cart age. All modern technology is the gift of the British colonialists, never mind that countries like Japan, China or even Thailand who were never colonies are today far more advanced than India.
Indians have no history to be proud of, the society was caste-ridden, backward and primitive. Indians should be ashamed of their faith and but for the intervention of the English India would have remained a disunited, backward country full of superstition. Indian intellectual achievements in mathematics, astronomy, medicine are a part of communal propaganda. Aryabhatta, Sushruta, Bhaskara never existed and there is no evidence on the ground of any Indian achievement in art or architecture.
Indian secularism/pluralism is due to the Constitution of 1947, itself a gift by the Macaulayan elite, otherwise India would have been a theocracy like Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Never mind that in its entire history of over 5,000 years only two Indian rulers took up the task of spreading faith, Ashoka and Aurangzeb. Also ignored is the fact that Christianity had come to India's shores in 62 AD (when the Romans were feeding the Christians to lions for sport) and continues to flourish, India had Jews who were never persecuted, there were Muslim Arab trader colonies and mosques on the west coast much before Mahmud of Ghazni made his appearance.
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niran wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:. NaMo's team had far more deserving candidates to be HM. Heck one Subbu Swamy would have been a far better option.
the bold part
why? has Subu Swamy been home administering anywhere? no, na, so how do you know he would make fantastic Home Minister?
Rajnath Singh is a RSS well he use to administer evening Sakha which moi use to go, has full backing from RSS gave unflinching support
to NaMo for PM candidature, please do not forget LKA, susuma and party actions they tried till the last moment to sabotage NaMo for PM and get one of themselves as the candidate, all through this onree Rajnath Singh and Nitin Gadcurry supported NaMo.
Niran Ji, once again as I said in my last post, It has nothing to do with his support to NaMo. He has supported Namo with unflinching devotion (Any half sane person would have done the same)
and maybe thats why he has been awarded HM'ship.

His RSS background or RSS shakha visits still doesn't prove anything about his administrative skills nor the past has been any dazzling.
SS at least has shown ideas and tenacity (Of course I never used the word fantastic for Subbu). Obviously he needs oppurtunity to show his "brilliance".

Anyways I am a unbashed and unapologetic supporter of Namo for life and would guess that he knows better about his team than I do. So no more on this topic by me for now.
Lets see how the cookie crumbles.
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To comprehend the difference leaders like Modi, Patel on one hand make versus the 'good' administrators kinds is that of vision and statesmanship. The 'good' administrators implement and play effectively on existing mandates, tweaking here and there with some alacrity to confirm. The visionary OTOH creates the templates for the administrators. Modi is tasked or mandated in a way to dismantle the Nehruvian template. That task is not easy as a plethora of issues that today occupy high moral ground by virtue of inherited and entrenched belief in a pseudo left pseudo liberal pseudo secular approach have to be dismantled. That requires Ministers with vision taking effective steps, deflecting criticisms and achieving set goals and proving that the counter Nehruvian approach works. It starts with giving confidence, getting the mandate, putting in place simple, effective policy in place that makes life easier, simpler and hassle free. Modi has a tremendous advantage as he appreciates the fact the technology can be used effectively not just to make life easier but to dismantle the nehruvian legacy. Many BJP stalwart leaders are still hitched to the socialist bandwagon from the Nehruvian prism. This is going to make life a bit difficult in the short term for Modi as he balances the populist with the visionary. What i personally count on is not some of the Ministers' personal administrative approach but how much of Modi's visionary attitude and enthusiasm they imbibe. The simple things that matter most..why 2 page forms, why not one. Why personal submissions, why not on line submissions. The whole effort is to simplify, make easy, make least bureaucratic etc etc a 1000 new ways of seeing and approaching issues. This simple enthusiastic approach to governance issues was murdered in cold blood by the Nehruvian bureaucratic legacy, ministers must understand this. Am sure in the weeks and months to come, Modi should be able to effect this change in some of his ministers, particularly the younger lot like Piyush, Irani etc.
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Why Indian nationalism must win over Macaulayan ideas
In the second and final part, Col Athale says the fight between forces of Indian nationalism and Macaulayism aided and abetted by West is going to be long, hard and dirty. The outcome will decide whether India becomes a superpower or continues to wallow in the swamp of underdevelopment.

My first encounter with Macaulayism was in April 1975. The episode is worth a recall. It was April 21, and India had just launched its first satellite ‘Aryabhatta’ from a Russian rocket.

This author, then a junior captain posted on operational staff, was present at an army party in Rajouri (a field area and headquarters of a division in Jammu and Kashmir). All of us were gathered in the main hall with the general as chief guest. The conversation veered around that day’s news, namely the launch of the Aryabhatta satellite.

A very good friend of the author, a senior major, who headed the intelligence department, in a light-hearted manner, commented on this, “Who is this Bhatta Bhatta?” There was general laughter! I think something snapped in me and at top of my voice from the other end of the room, I told my friend (and indirectly the general and others who found this a joke worthy of laughter) that Aryabhatta was one of the world’s greatest astronomers, who had accurately predicted the various facts about planets 1,000 years before Galileo and Copernicus and if he did not know this he should just shut up.
Most of these colonial institutes produced precisely the kind of Indians that Macaulay envisaged. It is these individuals who mostly man India’s administrative machinery, judiciary and even armed forces. Modi has a long, hard and dirty battle on his hands in the future.

Returning to the ‘challenge and response’ theory of rise and fall of civilisations, one can understand the initial Nehruvian years when India and Indians absorbed Western ideas, institutions and language. But it became clear that having adapted and grown in strength, India will assert and free itself from the Macaulayism. After Nehru’s death in 1964, Lal Bahadur Shastri became the prime minister.

Shastri was steeped in Indian culture and tradition and was a true ‘rajyogi’ (an ascetic ruler). But it is a fallacy if one were to claim that his leadership was easily accepted. The author was a cadet in the National Defence Academy at the time and can vividly recall that every time he came up on the screen during a movie show (for those who don’t know, at the beginning of all movies a short ‘news reel’ produced by the Films Division was shown), the cadets would burst into laughter.

After the imposing figure of a pucca sahib like Nehru, the rustic, diminutive, dhoti-clad Shastri with a squeaky voice was indeed a figure of derision for most Macaulayans. But then came the 1965 Indo-Pak war and Shastri showed exemplary leadership in fighting the US-Pakistan combine.

If Shastri would have survived longer, Macaulayism would have been dead and buried. One recalls the kind of national spirit Shastri evoked. When India faced the American food embargo, his call to eat one less chapati got a huge response. It seemed that Indian nationalism was asserting itself. His early death cut short this attempt.

Indira Gandhi, who followed him, was no Macaulayist. But it took her some time to find her feet and by the time she did, in 1980, she became the victim of international politics that was hell-bent on dividing India. Her son who followed her won a landslide victory in the 1984 elections essentially on the plank of Indian nationalism. One of the measures he took to re-assert Indian identity was to revive the public's interest in India’s ancient past. His decision to air the Indian epics Ramayan and Mahabharat, dealt a decisive blow to Macaulayism. But his assassination cut short that attempt.

In 1999, when an avowedly ‘nationalist’ government came to power in India under Atal Bihari Vajpayee, another attempt was made to dismantle the Macaulayist legacy. Under Dr Murli Manohar Joshi, an attempt was made to re-assert Indian nationalism.

Restoring the Indian historical narrative was seen by him as the first step to national rejuvenation. It is understood that victors write history. Since the British ruled India for long, the version of history taught to Indians had a heavy bias towards their rule.

For instance, the emphasis given to narrating the deeds of various governor generals was far in excess of their long-term impact. On the other hand, ancient Indian history was given a short shrift. It is this that produced the kind of people described by the author earlier, who had no clue about Indian contribution to science or philosophy.

But Joshi's attempt was fiercely opposed by the Macaulayists, individuals as well as institutions. It was derisively called ‘saffronisation’ of history. The Vajpayee government was weak politically and had to succumb to the pressures.

After the 2004 electoral defeat of the Bharatiya Janata Party, the Macaulayists under the United Progressive Alliance government struck back and virtually rolled back most of the changes that had been brought about since the 1980s. But it soon became apparent that the Macaulayists were in retreat. For despite the political changes in India and return of Macaulayists to power, the IT professionals of Indian origin as well as the Indian Diaspora was doing exceedingly well.

The success of Indians abroad and the dismal performance at home began to show up the ruling elite in bad light. It was only a matter of time before the electorate sent them packing in 2014.

India and China, two ancient Asian civilisations, followed different paths to rejuvenation. While India took up the parliamentary democracy route and Macaulayist and administrative system, China adopted Marxism, another Western philosophy, to modernise itself. As China progressed and gained confidence, it jettisoned the Marxist crutches by 1979 under Deng Xiaoping, who proclaimed the Chinese path as Marxism with Chinese characteristics. It seems that India is finally at that ‘Deng’ moment in its history where it is ready to shed the Macaulayan ideological baggage.
But there are others who sincerely and genuinely believe that a pluralistic, modern and democratic India can only survive on Macaulayan foundations. Their number is large and they do occupy important slots in administration and the media. The West understands the danger of the rise of another China-like Asian power. Witness the chorus of criticism and apprehension at the possible victory of Indian nationalists in the Western press.

The fight between the forces of Indian nationalism and Macaulayism aided and abetted by the West is going to be long, hard and dirty. The outcome of this war will decide whether India fulfills the prediction of British historian Arnold Toynbee and like China becomes a superpower or continues to wallow in the swamp of underdevelopment.
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This 'Narendra Modi can be India's Richard Nixon' is not an original idea by Jairam Ramesh. He has pilfered it from the 'Banyan' section of this week's (June 14th-20th) Economist.

JR is a pseudo-intellectual Congi. His type never have any original ideas.
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^ Actually it comes from a cesspool infested with the kind of people who have read more American history as against Indian history they are quick to draw analogies like oh authoritarian ==hitler now that he has won democratically so he becomes Richard Nixon , sabe sale chootiy#n@n@ndan hain.
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negi wrote:^ Actually it comes from a cesspool infested with the kind of people who have read more American history as against Indian history they are quick to draw analogies like oh authoritarian ==hitler now that he has won democratically so he becomes Richard Nixon , sabe sale chootiy#n@n@ndan hain.
Is Modi going into the used car business??

It's not nice to be compared to such a crook like nixon.
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Nixon apart from other crimes presided over genocide of millions of Hindus and rape of hundreds of thousands of Hindu women is B'Desh. It is a serious insult for any Indian to be compared to him. This kind of posts shows how stupid the paid media really is.

In the meanwhile -
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 806445.cms

Suggestion:
Dismiss involved Babus from MOD as they are more responsible for present state of affairs than Army and withdraw commission of every general who are part of this entire mess starting with present COAS. That will ensure no replays in future.
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Post-Narendra Modi, right wing organisations seek to secure intellectual space

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 809180.cms
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When would be good time for BJP govt to start tackling cantankerous issues ?
At some point in this govt, They will have to take up UCC, Ram Mandir and Art-370 which are the three major planks on which BJP has fought elections in last 20-25 years.

ABV could get away because of lack of majority (and lack of will and desire as per my understanding) but lost in the end as core supporters could not justify even lack of effort,
but NaMo has been projected as BajiRao-1 and Shivaji all in one. So more pressure on him to show some traction on these issues too.
Economy anyways will keep moving at a pace defined by local policies and global environment.
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He is already taking on the NGOs by instructing RBI to hold any incoming transfers to greenpeace and other mischief mongrels. MSM is already going to town over it. Is that not a good start. Once Jholawalas are tamed, then other lobbies can be taken on.

Can we please stop the dhoti shivering and cut him some slack so that the man can do his job.
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^All this dhoti shivering just a few weeks from assuming power, man people are impatient and delusional, if they think all this can be done in one day.
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Surprising isn't it Arunji? People don't have so much expectations even from god, who is supposed to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
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Not even first over is not bowled gurus. Already few very hard hits like NGO a** kicking are under way. Deep power of MQ is quite huge. Her gang had 10 years free run and family got almost 60 years free run. Entire structure has to be brought down slowly and carefully.

MQ also implemented scorched earth policy since almost 2011. As of now entire economic, security, social and other conditions of Indics are very very bad. All this are also to be repaired.

NM is working almost 18 hours a day for that. In the meanwhile MQ gang along with paid media, Goras, Jihadis are doing their best to ensure Indics are destroyed. NM has to defend those attacks also.

For all these tasks 5 years time is there anyway. Wait and see how things are done.
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Shamlee wrote:Surprising isn't it Arunji? People don't have so much expectations even from god, who is supposed to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
You should see the news headlines around here, "What is Modi gonna do about this, what is he gonna do about that, Modi's this plan, Modi's that move, blah blah blah."

It is as if he is personally gonna do every job in the govt and he is indeed omnipotent/omnipresent.

I think in the case of the paid media, it is just setting him up/building him up to fail, but to see so called Modi fans/loyalists do the same is just irritating.

Maybe they have this whole phobia of having their issues being forgotten or sidelined thanks to the previous NDA regime, but this is becoming ridiculous.

Guys, at least give him some reasonable time. Already, he is doing stuff that we have wanted for years. Each day there is another gem of a news that we have yearned for years to have. So, please keep faith and do less whining.
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He is getting rid of Cong appointee Governors, (least because they are con, or corrupt or inefficient, but more importantly they represent maculite power, a .1% of India, to the detriment of 99.9%), Maculite NGO checked, various Con bureaucrats checked (Sampath, ex CBI chief etc., I believe next COAS will be taken care of by due process of law (not some sleight of hand))...list goes on. Many personal Sec to Ministers stopped who had doubtful allegiance. Foreign policy checked, what you read about Rajpakse blowing his lid is true, all for good Indian cause).
You cannot fight all of this with Maculites, who are now 99.99999% of the system. How I wished Modi while correcting some of these systems, creates some of them from scratch, untainted, secret and 100% Bhartiye. At least one org that is 100% for Bharat!!
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Why asking questions or putting ones PoV about NaMo sarkaar is considered as Dhoti Shiver ?
This word is being thrown around too casually on this thread.
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If there was thread on the criticism/mistakes of Modi Sarkar all such discussion can go there.
I am quite interested in seeing the mistakes documented and confirm after a few years if these were mistakes really.
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Governors, Central Corporation/Panel heads. He is eliminating garbage one by one.

Best News:

Center to hold foreign money to NGOs. Make a committee and each NGO approach this committee for review of their whole work, history of the foreign agencies. Review their work. Make them fear for Indian law. Cut down the influence of Hilly Billy types. Get some order
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VikasRaina wrote:Why asking questions or putting ones PoV about NaMo sarkaar is considered as Dhoti Shiver ?
This word is being thrown around too casually on this thread.
Earlier the honeymoon period of got used to be 100 days. It seems like it is < 10 days now.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cET7Sp8o224

India-U.S. Ties Under Narendra Modi
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Sanku wrote:
VikasRaina wrote:Why asking questions or putting ones PoV about NaMo sarkaar is considered as Dhoti Shiver ?
This word is being thrown around too casually on this thread.
Earlier the honeymoon period of got used to be 100 days. It seems like it is < 10 days now.
What more like 1 day.......NM should get stuff done within a day what CON created in 60 years...... :lol: :lol: .....
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The screws turn tighter on the news traders:
I&B Minister Javadekar calls for debate on cross holdings in media houses
At a time when an increasing number of corporates are taking control of media organisations and paid media is becoming an issue of concern, Information and Broadcasting Minister Prakash Javadekar said that cross-media ownership is a ‘serious issue’.

Speaking to Business Line, Javadekar said, “It (cross-media ownership) is a serious issue that needs to be discussed and debated. Both TRAI and Press Council of India are reviewing the issue.”
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Narayana Rao wrote:Nixon apart from other crimes presided over genocide of millions of Hindus and rape of hundreds of thousands of Hindu women is B'Desh. It is a serious insult for any Indian to be compared to him. This kind of posts shows how stupid the paid media really is.

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Hardly anyone talks about that genocide of Hindus now. It is even hard to find online references. I tried looking for the original Anthony Mascarenhas article that documented the genocide; only Tarek Fateh is maintaining it on his website it seems.
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calling NFC or HSC (near field/hand shake comm).. this is how he can pass the evils by just being near or shaking hands. corruption meets anti-corruption

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now modi must not only clean ganga, but right down cauvery too... to wash that evil! :)
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The purge of the establishment continues:
The NDA purge continues: UPA babus put on 'vigilance clearance'
The ministry of home affairs (MHA), department of personnel and training (DoPT) and some other ministries are working in tandem on a clean up and crackdown exercise.

The clean up task is led by the MHA and will expand to other ministries where a number of UPA appointees, retired bureaucrats and Congress leaders of various hues enjoy ministerial rank perks. A virtual sacking of entire leadership of National Disaster Management Authority is an indicator of things to follow in other ministries, say for instance NCW, ICCR, ICHR, ICSSR, Minority Commission, SC-ST Commission and others.

A senior government functionary said such positions with ministerial rank privileges are given to two kinds of people – first to the leaders of the serving regime and second to the retired bureaucrats for their loyalty. Then there are whole lot of committees and boards attached with various ministries. Most ministries ranging from I&B, External affairs, HRD, culture, WCD, railways, shipping, highways, communication, labour, environment, social sector ministries all have such committees where “experts” are taken on board.

The purging exercise will take months before it is completed and reconstituted with BJP loyalists or sympathisers.

Other than asking for resignations to clear these posts, the DoPT has asked for fresh vigilance clearance for 22 mid-rank officers — 14 IAS, 3 IPS and five from other central services — so that they could be screened for further postings. These officers had earlier been as Personal Secretary or Officer on Special Duty to various ministers in the UPA government. The directive dated 10 June becomes important in view of PMO’s other move which prevented the reappointment of some these same officials to offices of some senior NDA ministers, including home minister Rajnath Singh.

It is normal practice that the personal staff of the ministers — who are usually drawn from IAS, IPS and other central services — are put on “compulsory wait” during the “winding up” period. However, some senior officials say that seeking fresh vigilance clearance is not normal. All these officials are in any case on central deputation and already have vigilance clearance for further placement — till given charge of a post that specifically requires fresh clearance.

Another official who earlier held post of PS of a senior minister played it down saying “not much should be read into it, the DoPT may ask for vigilance clearance at any issue. I assume these officials would have wanted further stay in union ministries or departments and as such that would require a change in profile, necessitating clearance at all level”. Yet another official said “such moves on part of the DoPT is to give a message that the regime is keeping a watch, either routine or out of turn. There is nothing to suggest that that something could be wrong there but it surely puts an official on wait and watch list.”
Does anyone have a list of UPA Governors the government had initially targeted for removal ? How many of them have resigned so far ? What is the status of the rest ?
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