Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 30 Oct 2013 04:12

SaiK wrote:so, if I am a master of cricket games, can I be called master of social or political services?

answer is yes, only when I demonstrate that master qualities. give him a chance to prove where ever he is now.. later we can decide if he is effective or useless.

During his career where has Sachin shown any sign of non-cricketing intelligence or leadership? He is a dud in terms of political leadership. He is most effective as an icon who lends his weight to various causes/movements and fundamentally all of that leverages his cricketing status. He is perceived as self centered, looking out for #1 above all else. There is no positive for him getting involved in politics and hitching his wagon to the wrong party. Dhoni, on the other hand, is a whole different proposition.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Oct 2013 04:39

^there you go.. now such attribution is what matters for any effective membership taking up responsibility into a political or administrative system. i would say, let us get more performers and focus group area members, real players and movers. what i am afraid is the future and not modi as current challenger to the dynasty system.

the dynasty can return back if we have people from different walks, and play just like slave to a dynasty system then what is the point of having a democratic setup? options and opinions are different, and the former is sachin's own and his right while the later can be nsriram's or martens PoVs.

there is absolutely nothing wrong with sachin nor your PoVs.. it takes like minded force to come together and create sytems, sustain models, and revolutionize politics and society.

we need one? don't we? like how negi's location says: Sab milkar haat oopar karo; muththi band karke bolo ..dhono haath utaake bolo!.. and join the revolution....<fill up>

well.. i can only say that much for you all.

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 30 Oct 2013 04:45

nsriram et al, can we drop the SRT topic at least now? He has already declined to campaign for the Congress. Besides, it has no connection to NaMo.

disha · Post by **disha** » 30 Oct 2013 04:46

Sushupti wrote: Aurobindo diagnosed the problem best.

"All his preaching is derived from Christianity, and though the garb is Indian the essential spirit is Christian. He may not be Christ, but at any rate he comes in continuation of the same impulsion. He is largely influenced by Tolstoy, the Bible, and has a strong Jain tinge in his teachings; at any rate more than by the Indian scriptures -- the Upanishads or the Gita which he interprets in the light of his own ideas."

http://www.voiceofdharma.org/books/ir/IR_part3.htm

Every body has a right to interpret/re-interpret vedas/upanishads/Bhagvaad/Jain/Baudh/Bible/Koran/Torah and provide how they won their adversities by adapting good from the above or getting inspired from there.

What is not right is to enforce that as gospel truth. That is Goebbelsian. Now coming to "ahimsa"., I found this ironical - Mahavira himself tells a snake to show strength by scaring off people but not bite to kill them. So "ahimsa" per Jain philosophy itself does not mean turn around and start showing your other cheek. It might mean to show a big danda if somebody tries to come and slap you. If somebody slaps you, then well beat him with danda but do not kill him. The sickulars just twist their inaction and blame it on something else - they neither read, nor understand and just go about citing religion without understanding it.

In that sense Gandhi comes across as sickular. Coming back to Modi, Modi has brought the discussion of Sardar back into mainstream. He also brought in LBShashtri. CongIs are now scurrying to own up Shashtri, Sardar etc. The moment they do that, it goes against their grain of dynasty sycophancy. That creates cognitive dissonance.

Everytime CongIs scream of NaMo not being a statesman enough, we can now say that Nehru was a fascist! He used Gandhi's moral strength and Patel's statesmanship for his own selfish interest. When cabinet did not repose faith in him, how did he became the leader of cabinet? Should he not have taken a moral stand?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Oct 2013 04:49

nachiket wrote:nsriram et al, can we drop the SRT topic at least now? He has already declined to campaign for the Congress. Besides, it has no connection to NaMo.

Modi compares himself with Sachin Tendulkar . reberse kanexshan to hai!?

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syele · Post by **syele** » 30 Oct 2013 06:53

NSG secures only the immediate area of the protectee.

SPG sanitizes venues, seals routes and controls access to the area.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 30 Oct 2013 08:13

Just in - bomb blast near Manipur Cm house. 2 people died many injured.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 30 Oct 2013 08:14

Narayana Rao wrote:Just in - bomb blast near Manipur Cm house. 2 people died many injured.

why in modi thread ? plz start a new thread.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 30 Oct 2013 09:24

Narendra Modi's safety threat could be higher than the PM's: Ex chief of NSG:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 898643.cms

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 30 Oct 2013 09:30

Sushupti wrote:Narendra Modi's safety threat could be higher than the PM's: Ex chief of NSG:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 898643.cms

I believe the SPG should only be reserved for the PM or ex-PM and should be withdrawn from their family members like Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi as it is discriminatory.

On what basis are technically non-entities like Sonia and Rahul getting SPG security ? This parasitical dynasty needs to be kicked out of the country for good.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 30 Oct 2013 09:32

Narendra Modi's safety threat could be higher than the PM's: Experts
By Aman Sharma, ET Bureau | 30 Oct, 2013, 04.51AM IST0 comments

NEW DELHI: Amidst demands to bring Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi under the protection of the elite Special Protection Group (SPG), a number of retired and serving security officials have told ET that Modi faces a security threat which could perhaps be even higher than Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

On Tuesday, Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde dismissed the demand for giving SPG cover to Modi. "Narendra Modi has been given sufficient security. He does not need SPG security," Shinde said.

But former Home Secretary RK Singh told ET that international precedents were in favour of this . "In the US, the presidential candidate is covered by the US Secret Service as soon as he is announced as the candidate. So there is a precedent in place.

Modi is perhaps the most threatened person in the country today. The SPG Act will have to be amended as it covers the PM, ex-PMs and their immediate family members. That is something for our security establishment to consider," Singh said.

Former chief of the NSG, Ved Marwah said Modi is a "number one target" for terrorists and said the threat to Modi is "higher" than that to the PM. "But I believe it would be better to raise his NSG Z-level cover to the highest level. I believe the SPG should only be reserved for the PM or ex-PM and should be withdrawn from their family members like Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi as it is discriminatory. The family members should also be given highest level of NSG," Marwah told ET.

Former Home Secretary G.K. Pillai also acknowledged the high level of threat to Modi but said he "was wellprotected by NSG."

A senior Home Ministry official said given the increased threat to Modi especially since his annointment as BJP's PM candidate, NSG has dedicated 108 commandoes for Modi's Z-plus security--almost thrice more than any of the other 16 NSG protectees. The official said the state police are being sensitized to provide bullet-proof vehicles to Modi and to consider installation of mobile jammers and bulletproof podiums for Modi's rallies.

"In the past, Mayawati had also demanded SPG cover but it was turned down on the same grounds that the SPG Act does not provide for it," the official said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 898643.cms

Others and I have said that Congress are aiding the jihadis by denying Modi adequate security cover. Jihdis will now step up there game. Expect suicide and fidayeen attacks.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 30 Oct 2013 09:34

Narendra Modi as the anti-Nehru - Livemint

Their positions on zamindari abolition and the use of eminent domain for land acquisition further illuminate their philosophical leanings. Patel wanted compensation as market price plus 15%, while Nehru favoured no compensation. Patel also successfully supported Rajendra Prasad for President of India, and Purushottam Das Tandon for Congress party president in 1950, not just for ideological reasons but also to show Nehru that he couldn’t always dictate terms. Only Patel commanded the political heft to counter Nehru, and with his demise, the right wing within the Congress lost its strongest ballast.
Just as with Swami Vivekananda, leftist intellectuals are confused whether to re-appropriate the legacy of Patel, or to escalate their attacks to make them toxic for the right. They are tempted to try re-appropriation because of the titanic stature of these individuals, but at the same time they are unable to reconcile the liberal views of Patel and Vivekananda with their own collectivist dogma, which they have managed to label as liberal.
In such a political-historical context enters Narendra Modi. His economic record has been debated threadbare. There have been cases where newspapers have published false data, perhaps in their eagerness to bring down his record, and then retracted. Nobody credible doubts that Modi’s tenure as Gujarat chief minister has accelerated Gujarat’s economic progress.

Kumar’s government already receives over 75% of its revenue from New Delhi, yet he agitates for more. The sustainability of his Bihar model will be determined by his ability to extract taxpayer funds remitted from other parts of India. Essentially, Kumar is willing to barter political support in exchange for even more funds from New Delhi.
This kind of parasitic growth is unsustainable and undesirable. Not only does it hurt the poor, it weakens India’s federal structure by centralizing power in New Delhi and by making states dependent on Union government handouts. To quote economist Frédéric Bastiat, Kumar seems to believe in the fiction that everyone can live at the expense of everybody else.

Its worth reading the article in full. I think Rajeev Manti and Harsh Gupta are reading BRF or all wise men think alike.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 30 Oct 2013 09:49

Arjun wrote:
Sushupti wrote:Narendra Modi's safety threat could be higher than the PM's: Ex chief of NSG:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 898643.cms

I believe the SPG should only be reserved for the PM or ex-PM and should be withdrawn from their family members like Sonia Gandhi and Rahul Gandhi as it is discriminatory.
On what basis are technically non-entities like Sonia and Rahul getting SPG security ? This parasitical dynasty needs to be kicked out of the country for good.

family of PM. however, they are supposed to get it for limited time after PM'ship is over.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 30 Oct 2013 09:50

Interesting times ! India is getting to realize the scale of Modi's ambitions only now....and that involves nothing less than the complete dismantlement of the Nehruvian mindset built up over 6 decades - that has shackled India and prevented it from going forward.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Oct 2013 10:01

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news ... minister-s
Narendra Modi could be India’s next prime minister. So why won’t he talk to his wife?
-James TapperOctober 29, 2013 01:27

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Oct 2013 10:20

Modi is perhaps the most threatened person in the country today. The SPG Act will have to be amended as it covers the PM, ex-PMs and their immediate family members. That is something for our security establishment to consider," Singh said.

So is Sonia Gandhi a PM, or an ex-PM? Okay she is the family member of an ex-PM, of Rajiv Gandhi but he is dead since 1991!

And if for that reason Sonia Gandhi receives SPG security, then why aren't we providing SPG security to Chandra Shekhar's family! Deve Gowda is even alive, he too should get SPG security! What about Kumaraswamy?

Why is Gandhi family receiving SPG security?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 30 Oct 2013 10:22

last name saar!

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 30 Oct 2013 10:25

^^^ This is why NaMo will not get SPG cover.

Crowds throng to NaMo’s speeches: Images media will never show you

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 30 Oct 2013 10:28

^^^^These filthy parasites will suck off controversy (real and manufactured) no matter where they get it from, so we need not attach any importance to articles in such rags. I will enjoy seeing how the US painfully contorts into impossible positions as they try to reconcile themselves to the monumental blunder they committed in antagonizing Mr. Modi. They will pay for this through their nose. For the first time in decades they will have a hostile individual (hostile by their own making) in the seat of power in India. But, truth be told, I think this is for the better. The less cordial and free of nonsense (as opposed to pragmatic considerations) our relationship with the US, the more better for us. It might pave way to the eradication of all those human rights/evangelical NGOs thriving on American money, not to mention their shady back room dealings with Indian polity.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 30 Oct 2013 10:54

Nitish is playing right into Modi's hands. He comes out like a loser when he tried to counter Modi's speech. He should have stayed put and allowed it to subside , or better still, made a speech on his achievements / or announce new schemes. By trying to counter Modi on Modi's speech, he automatically accepts Modi as the top dog.

By bringing in Patel, Modi is placing an "opponent" to the "Gandhi" name. And look what everyone doing now - all of them are talking about Patel. A huge statue, repeated references in speeches. This I think is to target the older generation . The younger generation dont know or care about "Gandhi" or Patel. But the older generation know Patel and by weaning them away from "Gandhi", he is weaning them away from COngress, who are seen as the inheritors of the Gandhi legacy.

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 Oct 2013 11:56

^^ Am hoping that some of the "secular" netas from most parties atleast enquired with NaMo after the blasts ( even if they didnt publicise it for political reasons)

If not, things are indeed grim with forces from all sides out to devour the one man.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Oct 2013 11:56

Namo going to bihar again.... will be bigtrouble for niku... but I worry about NM's security very much since the rally....

>>@abpnewstv: Narendra Modi to visit Patna on November 1.Will meet the families of the victims of blasts the next day.

disha · Post by **disha** » 30 Oct 2013 12:14

sum wrote:^^ Am hoping that some of the "secular" netas from most parties atleast enquired with NaMo after the blasts ( even if they didnt publicise it for political reasons)

If not, things are indeed grim with forces from all sides out to devour the one man.

None. Sonia/Rahul/MMS did not even had the basic courtesy to call him and enquire about him. Shame on them. They are showing their "aukat".

disha · Post by **disha** » 30 Oct 2013 12:18

Hari Seldon wrote:Namo going to bihar again.... will be bigtrouble for niku... but I worry about NM's security very much since the rally....

>>@abpnewstv: Narendra Modi to visit Patna on November 1.Will meet the families of the victims of blasts the next day.

What do you expect from a Lion?

He is basically daring them again in their own den. This is extremely high stakes game. NaMo is proving them to show their mettle that is if they dare, come out. If not, leave the area - it is for him to roam. At this stage, with IM having failed first and most of their members on run in Bihar, they will be careful and on backfoot till they regroup., but then any attempt by them will basically expose them as cowards and their handlers like CongI and Niku as worse than that.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Oct 2013 12:31

Hari Seldon wrote:Namo going to bihar again.... will be bigtrouble for niku... but I worry about NM's security very much since the rally....

>>@abpnewstv: Narendra Modi to visit Patna on November 1.Will meet the families of the victims of blasts the next day.

Ok, this is admirable. He is showing true concern for those affected by the attacks. This sort of actual empathy, despite the threats against him, remarkable.

prahaar · Post by **prahaar** » 30 Oct 2013 12:52

Modi's visit will be tossed around in the media as "politicizing", and Modi for sure knows it. He is setting the agenda of national discourse, and the end of the day winds up with Manish Tiwari (aka Baghdad Bob) coming out with choicest abuses. It would have been funny if this was in a movie, but not when real people are suffering.

UPA2 behavior reminds me of some work posted by Ramanaji or Acharyaji about how "regimes" stay in power using different modalities of state power (patronage, press, police, etc) -I guess we need to revisit that paper or article to see any types of similarities.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Oct 2013 12:59

Bike rally at Koppa karnatak for #namo

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 30 Oct 2013 13:04

I have a khatarnak idea to spoil Congress' victory and threw its cadre in confusion. Anyhow people all know that Congress is a den of corruption and have tons of money.

Just spread rumors and build shoddy propaganda machine, that tells people that: Since Congress is facing do-or-die situation with NaMo,they have decided to brazen out with all their money. Now they are offering 20K for every vote. Now fun begins, as usual if Cong tries to bribe voter with a liquor/saree+500-1000 currency note, people will rebel and asks their 20K or will vote for NaMo.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 30 Oct 2013 13:05

^^ +1 idea Mrao garu...

johneeG · Post by **johneeG** » 30 Oct 2013 13:13

Great idea... kmkrao saar.

I think it can work! Local lotus leaders can continually allege that kongis are getting ready to spend 20K on each vote. Then anything less will not be accepted by the voters.

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Karan M saar,
listen to what Modi said about Patel. He said if Patel had been the PM the 'tasveer' of desh would be different. 'Tasveer' can be taken as 'map' of desh. Similarly, Modi frequently mentions Attock to Cuttack. I am sure Modi knows that Attock is in bakisthan.

Anyway, you are looking at things as separate. You are seeing governance(short-term) as distinct from the long-term geo-political-religio solutions. But, thats not right. All things are related. Even if Modi limits himself to giving good governance with no appeasement to bakis and their various supporters, that will in itself precipitate the situation. I am sure bakis know it and their supporters(domestic and foreign) know it too. The foundations of bakiland are pretty weak and need constant support from desh and international entities. Thats how, the artificial entity has survived.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 30 Oct 2013 13:59

>>>Anyway, you are looking at things as separate. You are seeing governance(short-term) as distinct from the long-term geo-political-religio solutions. But, thats not right. All things are related. Even if Modi limits himself to giving good governance with no appeasement to bakis and their various supporters, that will in itself precipitate the situation.

Actually, I am saying the same thing and merely pointing out that Short term governance is essential and will be NaMos #1 priority to get any successful long term in place.
This country has been abused for over 60 odd years. It will take equally long to fix it. People don't radically change their thinking either overnight. To do so, will require more than just 1 NaMo, but he can kick the process off, by giving a PM that makes all the other INC PMs look like junk in terms of making this a prosperous dynamic and strong country, united as much as can be. Unfortunately, some people forget this basic stuff and go off on tangents about how MNCs/elitemen/xyz issue all need to be resolved by NaMo first and foremost. Problem is if he tries doing everything, then there is the chance nothing gets done, and a historic opportunity to make the Hindu right a proper and just force in this nation would have been squandered.
The "other side" will do all it can to a) prevent the basics of governance from being done b ) starting stuff which paints hindu right in worst colors (eg the made up Senes attacks on pub going women in Karnataka)
Modi has to avoid these traps and we have to be patient.

There were enough people on this very forum who railed and ranted about jassoo mithaiwala and Kandahar and how ABV was weak knees etc and worthless and did everythign they could 24/7 to point out how worthless the NDA was. Pramod Mahajan was corrupt, MM Joshi was worthless etc etc. Their blessings came true and we were given 8 years of UPA and UPA-2. Now compare the two eras and anyone sane would want the NDA over these crooks. For every act of commission or omission by first group of people, second group has been 10x worse and should have opened folks eyes up.

By keeping unrealistic expectations of Modi, we risk doing the same thing all over again

PS: About reintegrating Bakistan, we can consider that once Bakistanis are Rastafarian Dharmics or whatever..
PPS: Even Patel was pro Partition as I recall and told them to get lost.

sum · Post by **sum** » 30 Oct 2013 14:13

Article clarifies on the SPG/NSG protection methodlogy:
If Modi can't have SPG cover, so shouldn't the Gandhis

“I was watching the preparations being made during the recent Rahul Gandhi rally at New Delhi. I saw Chief Minister Sheila Dixit personally inspecting the venue. I do not know if she inspected the venue in her capacity as a chief minister or as a party worker, but the fact was that the security was good and the even passed off without any glitch.

According to security experts, even if any leader has Z plus security or is under the SPG, the state police is the one which has to do the combing operation of the venue where the leader is supposed to visit.

Both Z plus and SPG provide only body cover for the leader in question, but under no circumstance does it comb an area.

An Intelligence Bureau official, while speaking about the intelligence inputs regarding the Modi event in Patna, said: “If they want the central team to do the entire job then we need 2 lakh men on the job and if this is provided then we can collect intelligence at the village levels too. Now if the Centre decides to provide 2 lakh men and all of them are on the job, then it is the very same state government which will complain of being too intrusive.”

abhischekcc · Post by **abhischekcc** » 30 Oct 2013 14:17

kmkraoind wrote:I have a khatarnak idea to spoil Congress' victory and threw its cadre in confusion. Anyhow people all know that Congress is a den of corruption and have tons of money.

Just spread rumors and build shoddy propaganda machine, that tells people that: Since Congress is facing do-or-die situation with NaMo,they have decided to brazen out with all their money. Now they are offering 20K for every vote. Now fun begins, as usual if Cong tries to bribe voter with a liquor/saree+500-1000 currency note, people will rebel and asks their 20K or will vote for NaMo.

What a beautiful idea. You can add that the people who are being offered 20k are from the lowest segment of society, caste hierarchy, etc. This will make upper castes even more jealous and negative towards congrease.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 30 Oct 2013 14:21

Spreading rumours and lies has always the tendency to bounce back and hurt the initiator. It may have short term promise, but it's in the nature of things that it has no permanence and will always inevitably hurt the initiator. Namo doesn't need a rumour campaign against INC. He's got the power of truth, fact, dedication, right thinking, courage..every quality that UPA and the Nehruvianists lack in his armor. They are already dipping below 100. Let him keep hammering away..making Patel larger than Nehru. Getting aam Janta to realize his vision. IMHO spreading runours et al is counterproductive.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 30 Oct 2013 14:22

abhischekcc wrote:
kmkraoind wrote:I have a khatarnak idea to spoil Congress' victory and threw its cadre in confusion. Anyhow people all know that Congress is a den of corruption and have tons of money.

Just spread rumors and build shoddy propaganda machine, that tells people that: Since Congress is facing do-or-die situation with NaMo,they have decided to brazen out with all their money. Now they are offering 20K for every vote. Now fun begins, as usual if Cong tries to bribe voter with a liquor/saree+500-1000 currency note, people will rebel and asks their 20K or will vote for NaMo.
What a beautiful idea. You can add that the people who are being offered 20k are from the lowest segment of society, caste hierarchy, etc. This will make upper castes even more jealous and negative towards congrease.

And create more animosity between castes too?
No, I think we should just leave it at Congress giving 20k, if we do it at all that is.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 30 Oct 2013 14:25

Firstly People must vote for Namo and the idea he represents. Not because he or she did not receive 20K. Secondly for sure such a venture will be easily exposed. And the repercussions will even disgust many fence sitters as well as many who vote for the clean image that NM represents.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 30 Oct 2013 14:34

harbans wrote:Firstly People must vote for Namo and the idea he represents. Not because he or she did not receive 20K. Secondly for sure such a venture will be easily exposed. And the repercussions will even disgust many fence sitters as well as many who vote for the clean image that NM represents.

When encountering super negative forces, using sama dana bheda danda is advisable. I am just advising using of bheda neeti. Moreover, it just a mean to achieve a good end. Do not underestimate Cong and its allies (MSM, analysts, money power, etc) and we have to use every thing at our disposal to defeat Cong and its sickular ideology.

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 30 Oct 2013 14:37

prahaar wrote:Can someone explain the context of inviting the PM to inaugurate a museum in Gujarat? Was it a Kendra Sarkar project?

It was a congress's party member's project. Yet paid media was lamenting about why modi gave only 25 crore donation from the state govt for this project. Cong invited NM, not NM invited MMS. They had to since they received the donation from him. Entire crowd in audience was congi.

Added Later: That congi - Dinsha Patel - fought against NM for same seat in 2007. Yet he managed to get donation.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 30 Oct 2013 14:41

sum wrote:Article clarifies on the SPG/NSG protection methodlogy:
If Modi can't have SPG cover, so shouldn't the Gandhis
“I was watching the preparations being made during the recent Rahul Gandhi rally at New Delhi. I saw Chief Minister Sheila Dixit personally inspecting the venue. I do not know if she inspected the venue in her capacity as a chief minister or as a party worker, but the fact was that the security was good and the even passed off without any glitch.

According to security experts, even if any leader has Z plus security or is under the SPG, the state police is the one which has to do the combing operation of the venue where the leader is supposed to visit.

Both Z plus and SPG provide only body cover for the leader in question, but under no circumstance does it comb an area.

that's just not true. SPG does provide men and material (metal detectors, BJT detectors etc) in advance for a visit.
of course, it's unrealistic to expect that the SPG would individually comb every inch of the area but they do supervise the whole exercise. the article makes it out as if the SPG just moves with the protectee and has no responsibility beyond that.
in practice, the SPG is in effective control of all forces (including state forces) in charge of VIP security and they take charge of the area as well.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 30 Oct 2013 14:56

harbans wrote:Spreading rumours and lies has always the tendency to bounce back and hurt the initiator. It may have short term promise, but it's in the nature of things that it has no permanence and will always inevitably hurt the initiator. Namo doesn't need a rumour campaign against INC. He's got the power of truth, fact, dedication, right thinking, courage..every quality that UPA and the Nehruvianists lack in his armor. They are already dipping below 100. Let him keep hammering away..making Patel larger than Nehru. Getting aam Janta to realize his vision. IMHO spreading runours et al is counterproductive.

Fog, Deceit are all acknowledged tools of war!