Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Saral · Post by **Saral** » 27 Apr 2014 18:17

Anindya wrote:I was reading Aditya Nigam's articles on Outlook - fascinating to see this kind of hatred against Modi. Even if we ignore the childish attempts by Nigam at maligning a great man - it is clearly apparent, that Aditya's puerile efforts cannot be, but motivated by money. So, what gives?

Haven't read these but not everything is driven by $ directly. Piskology is sufficient (Need for consistency, Motivated reasoning, Peer approval etc.).

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 27 Apr 2014 18:48

Here's the video the BJP released on Mr. Vadra. Its got some epic pictures of him, great for propaganda value, especially the one on the Harley Davidson(?) bike.

Anantha · Post by **Anantha** » 27 Apr 2014 18:52

https://twitter.com/ashokepandit/status ... 69/photo/1

Salute to the great man, who gave his life for the nation.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 27 Apr 2014 19:11

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 27 Apr 2014 19:20

svenkat wrote:bjp-acting-like-agitated-rats-not-afraid-of-them-says-priyanka-

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vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 27 Apr 2014 19:21

What we need post elections is an immediate end to fancy looking policies like ban on gold imports as well.

We must see that Jewellery export business isn't affected by such policies.

svenkat · Post by **svenkat** » 27 Apr 2014 19:32

vivekji,
I have edited the link.It works now.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 27 Apr 2014 19:39

http://mathrubhuminews.in/ee/ReadMore/6 ... ate-powers

Kottayam: As per Right to Information document Sonia Gandhi interfered into central government’s day to today affairs. Mathrubhumi News revealed through documents that party President Sonia Gandhi gave the final consent for advertisements that described central government’s achievements. Prime Minister’s former media advisor Sanjay Baru alleged that Sonia Gandhi appointed an IAS officer Pulok Chatterjee in Prime Minister’s Office to influence the central cabinet decisions. It is against law that a person who does not bear constitutional position says opinion and takes decision on governmental policies.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Apr 2014 19:50

Singha wrote:the Sith Lord behind madam needs to also be directly targeted. by not fighting elections he always escapes the limelight and pushes easy targets like Raga and damaad up front to take the flak.

Can you please be naming the name of this palatine for the benefit of nanha SDREs?

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 27 Apr 2014 20:00

It was widely believed that the much reviled "Hindu marriage amendment act" that proposed to give share of all property of husband irrespective of whether it is inherited or self acquired and irrespective of when it was acquired before or after marriage was to benefit a very special person. The red herring that is waived was ostensibly that Shinde wanted this act passed so that his daughter got nofault divorce, also one of the amendments to the act. Apparently till the last day of the Lok Sabha session he was chasing D4 to agree to get this bill passed.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Apr 2014 20:06

ShankarCag wrote:It was widely believed that the much reviled "Hindu marriage amendment act" that proposed to give share of all property of husband irrespective of whether it is inherited or self acquired and irrespective of when it was acquired before or after marriage was to benefit a very special person. The red herring that is waived was ostensibly that Shinde wanted this act passed so that his daughter got nofault divorce, also one of the amendments to the act. Apparently till the last day of the Lok Sabha session he was chasing D4 to agree to get this bill passed.

Is some elaboration possible, ShankarCag ji??

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Apr 2014 20:07

KLNMurthy wrote:
Singha wrote:the Sith Lord behind madam needs to also be directly targeted. by not fighting elections he always escapes the limelight and pushes easy targets like Raga and damaad up front to take the flak.
Can you please be naming the name of this palatine for the benefit of nanha SDREs?

is it a patel??

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Apr 2014 20:24

vivek.rao wrote:http://www.yuva4india.tv

BJP presser on Vadra model of development

Who is the gentleman giving the presentation? It is a good tutorial on land use laws and the anatomy of corruption.

sunnyP · Post by **sunnyP** » 27 Apr 2014 20:26

Sorry if this is a repost but this made me laugh.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 20:31

you forgot he has to personally kill a cow , roast it and eat its flesh to get the certified sickular(CS) thappa.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 27 Apr 2014 20:32

chetak wrote:
is it a patel??

ofcourse. who else?

subhamoy.das · Post by **subhamoy.das** » 27 Apr 2014 20:42

The guj high court building says it all! It will put to shame the supreme court building also! God, please , let namo lead this country for 10 years and then we can have a eye ball to eye ball discussion with out Chinese friends!

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Apr 2014 20:45

Singha wrote:
chetak wrote:
is it a patel??
ofcourse. who else?

With initial A.? I thought this was a general fixer / chamcha type like the people Sanjay Gandhi used to have hanging around him. Is there some information about how & why this individual became the Sith Lord?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Apr 2014 20:51

Singha wrote:
chetak wrote:
is it a patel??
ofcourse. who else?

oh, The patel!

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Apr 2014 20:54

India Today ‏@IndiaToday 4h

Priyanka Gandhi will be a wonderful PM candidate: Leander Paes http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/priy ... 57847.html …

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 27 Apr 2014 20:56

subhamoy.das wrote:The guj high court building says it all! It will put to shame the supreme court building also! God, please , let namo lead this country for 10 years and then we can have a eye ball to eye ball discussion with out Chinese friends!

OT and I am not arguing in favor of lousy buildings, but our civilizational self-respect vis-a-vis the Chinese will remain solid even if our Supreme Court was a chabutara built around a pipal tree trunk. Let us re-build our grand civilization by all means but please let us not fall into the trap of letting Chinese values (whatever they are) dictate our own self-respect and pride.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 27 Apr 2014 21:05

^ KLNM garu,

The society is McCaulified a lot. To attract them one need to build a Mayasabha as part of Rajasuya. The Mayasabha itself loses its value when the underlying society returns to Bharatiyata.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 27 Apr 2014 21:08

Gangsta style statement only...

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 27 Apr 2014 21:25

pankajs wrote:
India Today ‏@IndiaToday 4h

Priyanka Gandhi will be a wonderful PM candidate: Leander Paes http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/priy ... 57847.html …

Hmmmmm, birds of a feather gathering at the cross roads....

or is leander again planning to poke some one else's wife??

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 27 Apr 2014 21:48

Press Trust of India ‏@PTI_News 4h

The first priority of my government is to restore the health of the economy, says Modi.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 27 Apr 2014 22:08

pankajs wrote:
Press Trust of India ‏@PTI_News 4h

The first priority of my government is to restore the health of the economy, says Modi.

And economic revival happens only if the sanskritik moorings are re established. It will happen around the core of temple. This entails giving up on the GDP based talk over 10% etc? The GDP scale is made according to western memes. It should not be used in India. Let western economists talk about the GDP based growth. Even countries with huge GDP have massive problems which cannot be reconciled with increasing GDP.

What we need is modern day varna vyavastha.

This means the babudom-politicians also known as shudra class starts serving people rather than act like Brahmins. And for this they should be remunerated well. This is essential to prevent them from going down corruption route.

The natural tendency for a bharatiya is to succeed in his life to provide roti,kapdaa, makan. They are naturally entrepreneurial. They will be the Vaishya classes.

The armed forces are the pride of our land. Perhaps the only institution untouched by corruption. They know what they want and how to go about it. The police will be a part of this. The right to bear arms will make the common man a part of this Kshatriya class. Compulsory military service perhaps?

The Brahmin class will the teachers, the judges in various courts, the lokayutta. The courts will supervise the Brahmin classes. Punishing them and demoting them to outcastes (chandals) in Tihar if they wield power irresponsibly.

Let's not copy western memes which have failed within west and try superimposing them on India. All this talk about 'so much GDP to show progress' is missing woods from the trees.

KLP Dubey · Post by **KLP Dubey** » 27 Apr 2014 22:15

chetak wrote:
Hmmmmm, birds of a feather gathering at the cross roads....

or is leander again planning to poke some one else's wife??

Maybe Philander has his eye on Vadra's wife....she will be alone after he goes to the slammer.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 27 Apr 2014 22:27

chetak wrote:
pankajs wrote:India Today ‏@IndiaToday 4h

Priyanka Gandhi will be a wonderful PM candidate: Leander Paes http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/priy ... 57847.html …
Hmmmmm, birds of a feather gathering at the cross roads....

or is leander again planning to poke some one else's wife??

Things one learns about our high profile society types..

So I didnt know much about Mr Paes and was intrigued by Chetak Jis comment and come across this.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080323/j ... 047075.jsp

The Rhea Pillai affair
celebrity circus
BHARATHI S. PRADHAN

Does claiming to be spiritually evolved, courtesy Art Of Living, automatically absolve you of being hard-headedly materialistic?

That’s what must be asked of Sanjay Dutt’s Wife No. 2 Rhea Pillai, who has thus far carried off the act of the upper crust society girl, on a higher spiritual plane than the mortals around her. She wore this image well, not allowing it to crack even when Mahima Choudhry had protested that she had come between Leander Paes and her. Despite that transgression into another woman’s love life, by simply maintaining her exclusivity, Rhea had managed to prolong the charade to the extent that when fingers were pointing at Sanjay Dutt-Manyata, nobody even thought of questioning the legality of Rhea’s actions. She just seemed oh, so above it all.

Today, when it tumbles out that former model Rhea Pillai used her star-husband for a life of comfort, the squeaky clean, spiritual image loses some of its sheen. Details of Sanjay Dutt’s alimony settlement before he got his official divorce from Rhea (which came through only this February) were scooped last week by Mumbai tabloid Mid-day, and soon Rhea’s image was demolished.

Forget the three-bedroom sea-facing apartment and a Honda, the fact is that Rhea had moved on to another man, tennis ace Leander Paes, quite a long time ago (before Manyata came into Sanju’s life) and had a baby with him but, right until her divorce in February, she merrily had the actor foot all her shopping and mobile bills. Sanjay Dutt did the right legal thing by supporting her till the divorce was official. But what moral right did she have to his money when, as she claims, she had moved on in life?

Imagine sending whopping mobile and credit card bills (which included shopping in America for Leander’s baby) to your husband simply because he is vulnerable enough to pay up!

What is worse is that Rhea Pillai reacted to that tabloid story with viciousness, doing what she really shouldn’t have — blamed Sanjay Dutt’s current wife, Manyata, for leaking out details of the settlement.

The truth is, when the tabloid contacted her for her statement before publishing the settlement details, Rhea had self-righteously declined to comment. So when the story was published why did she go running to a rival paper to vent her spleen on Manya who was not mentioned as the source by the tabloid? Simply because the la-di-dah image had got a bashing? What is to be noted is that Rhea could only try to pull down Wife No. 3, she could not refute any substantial part of the tabloid story.

When Sanjay Dutt chivalrously rose to Manyata’s defence the next morning, the actor, who had never once talked about footing Rhea’s bills, had to reluctantly endorse the tabloid story and all the details of the settlement it had published. As Sanju has pertinently asked, if as Rhea preens, she gave up the Dutt title that Manya so desperately seeks, why didn’t she let go of the goodie bags that came with his name until this February?

Apart from showing Rhea as materialistic, in this celebrity-studded episode, the father of her daughter, Leander too, does not come off smelling of roses. After all, what kind of man allows his ‘wife’ to bill her ex-husband simply because an official divorce is still to come through?

Forget about the morality, the whole sordid affair throws up one pertinent legal question too: if the divorce came through only in February (and therefore Dutt had to bear all of Rhea’s expenses until then), and people have been talking about the legality of Sanjay’s marriage(s) to Manyata, how about the Rhea-Leander wedding? What is the legal status of that marriage where there is a child to boot? Now that the teflon coating has been rubbed off, these are uncomfortable queries that must be making the ‘classy’ Rhea Pillai/Dutt /Paes squirm uncharacteristically.

By the way, it is Sanjay Dutt who has really moved on in life. At least he has been man enough to stand by Manyata, whatever the discoveries about her past. Professionally too, he has made a clean break from the Sanjay Gupta stranglehold and has even ducked out of Alibaug, the film he had shot for last year. Irrfan Khan has replaced him. Sanju has moved on to doing films with Ashtavinayak, the banner with the big bucks. In another break from the past, his half-done Mr Fraud with Ashtavinayak has been shelved — Sanjay has a spanking new contract with them with an enhanced fee — one is on scuba-diving called Blue (co-starring Lara Dutta) and the next one is an adventure film called Lucky. He has begun life anew on a clean slate — but with his penchant for trouble, will he keep the slate clean forever?

Bharathi S. Pradhan is managing editor of Movie Mag International

member_28502 · Post by **member_28502** » 27 Apr 2014 22:58

the chest must surely be filled with pride, if only the chain was not restraining....

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 27 Apr 2014 23:13

except NDTV, CNNIBN,, Times House , News18 almost every one is now on Modi's side, acc to twiteer anjana om kashyap from aajtak has been sent on long leave (16 May) and Modi did an interview for them as well, tonight he was on DD. Already ABP news done. AAPtards still expecting 20-40 seats (on their site)

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 28 Apr 2014 00:16

If one goes through photos of Priyanka Gandhi in Google/Images one would notice that she never wears Sindhur or Bindi. A married Hindu woman would do so.

Sometimes there are photos of her with a little Tilak, but that is often due to some Puja or Aarti they participated in. But never Sindhur or Bindi?

So obviously Vadras are not Hindus. This actually we quite well know. But isn't it time that we question how long we are willing to leave the country in the hands of Christians, that too partly foreign-origin ones?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 28 Apr 2014 00:18

Rahul Kaushik ‏@kaushkrahul 2h

One thing I love about @narendramodi Ji is how he gives reply to journos. Absolutely brilliant. Hez rocking in his DD News interview!!

Video link anyone?

vic · Post by **vic** » 28 Apr 2014 00:23

NDTV and Times NOW are bashing Modi but pushing Jaitely as their blue eyed boy. Dynasty and Coterie are still relying on Dilli Billis to help them After elections. Note::- Nobody and nobody in BJP except Modi and SSwamy have ever attacked Sonia, Pappu or PG for corruption and this pact still continues.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 28 Apr 2014 00:27

RajeshA wrote: So obviously Vadras are not Hindus. This actually we quite well know. But isn't it time that we question how long we are willing to leave the country in the hands of Christians, that too partly foreign-origin ones?

Didn't a BRF guru say India is not a democracy unless it always elects a minority to be the ruling dispensation? By that definition only India has been a democracy in the history of democracy.

Add the curse of secularism to that you have a Zambified population.

Just add a thin layer of socialism, we ensure that this zambi society remains poor forever.

India didn't get independence in 1947. It was just another partition like 1937 (when Burma got separated as a dowry; only evil Hindu castiests have dowry, British Christians don't). It is important to remember that there were elections before 1947 where Indian parties & leaders contested and won.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 28 Apr 2014 00:29

http://vajrin.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/ ... -loathing/
Narendra Modi & Shinzo Abe: What explains the Western loathing?

A stunted, lymphatic, yellow-faced heathen, with a mouthful of teeth three sizes too big for him, bulging slits where his eyes ought to be, blacking-brush hair, a foolish giggle, a cruel heart, and the conceit of the devil. . . . It is a grave question whether Japan. . . . is in the least likely to become “a world power” of the kind that Europe is likely to find useful or satisfactory. Indeed the only restraints that could be put upon her are the restraints of the Christian religion. Can she be brought to submit to them? Does she desire in her heart to submit to them? Will she ever be other than pagan and heathen and unconscionable under the surface? the answer is: No…”
- British author T. W. H. Crosland a century ago in reaction to Japanese victories against Russia during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05
“I hate Indians [Hindus]. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.”
- Winston Churchill
The above quotes encapsulate the modal attitudes of the West towards those considered heathens. Much the same attitude prevails today in sections of the Western elite whether in the frank Christian form or its various secular manifestations.With that in mind, it is not surprising to discerning Hindus to see a slew of articles in the Western media bashing both Shinzo Abe & Narendra Modi. The Anglosphere would have us believe that they are concerned about “human rights” even as they support various Sunni ghazis to overthrow secular Arab regimes. We on the other hand hold that it is merely a cover for the fear & loathing they have for any openly “pagan” civilization.Abe is a man with a mission & that mission is nothing less than the decolonization of Japan. This includes a revision of the American imposed constitution including its secularism to bring it in line with the values of Japanese civilization He is the chairman of Japan’s Rebirth (Sosei Nippon) an organization that seeks to reawaken Japanese pride in their history and culture with an emphasis on the Imperial Family and Shinto. He is also the chairman of the Shinto Political Alliance Diet Member’s Roundtable (Shinto seiji renmei kokkai giin kondankai), the Diet arm of the Shinto Political Alliance (Shinto seiji renmei, or Shinseiren). Thus in the eyes of the West he is already a “bad” man because they cannot ever tolerate an openly heathen leader.Standing up to Chinese imperialism is bad enough but it gets “dangerous” when Abe starts talking about restoring Japanese values. In the past decade, under previous LDP administrations some of the most egregious American impositions have already been overturned such as the ban on shrine visits for school children. Now with Abe in charge things might go further in this direction and we might see the reemergence of Shinto taking its natural place in Japanese politics.

The West likes its leaders compliant and working within the boundaries predetermined by them & Abe does not fit the mold. Hence the recent slew of anti-Abe propaganda pieces in the Western media which can be seen here:The rise of Modi seems to have taken the West by surprise as they never expected him to get so far after demonizing him for years in their media as some sort of Hitler and a Hindu nationalist (as if that is somehow bad). They have tried all their usual tricks such as unleashing their Christian attack dogs (note the recent letter of the Xavier’s College Principal Father Mascarenhas to the students criticizing Modi or John Dayal’s trip to the US to testify against India) and even propping up the fellowship of the broom In their own land we have seen their efforts to deny entry to Modi through lobbying by evangelicals and Muslims (once again showing the fundamental alignment of Muslims & Christians when it comes to heathens).But in spite of all this Modi has defied their expectations and seems to have captured the pulse of the nation cutting across regional and caste lines. He has also shown himself to be an able administrator who can bring development to his people. We have good data showing that Christian proselytizers thrive in the absence of governance, so what can be worse for them than a PM who will actually do his job. A strengthening of the economy will also go along with a strengthening of the Indian military with a man perceived as a Hindu nationalist at the helm.

Having one openly heathen leader in Abe is bad enough but to have Modi in addition to him is a bad dream for the usual suspects. Thus the West has real reasons to be worried and they have indeed responded with a slew of negative media articles about Modi which can be viewed here:In 2007 after the conclusion of Vibrant Gujarat summit, Modi personally went to Japan to woo investors. He was the first Chief Minister to do so and while there he met and spent time with Abe. Later that year Abe himself visited India but could not visit Gujarat due to protocol, so Modi personally went all the way to Delhi and spent time with Abe.It was during the same visit that Abe personally met and talked with the son of Radhabinod Pal, the Indian judge who stood up for the truth at the Tokyo show trials. He is widely admired even today by Japanese nationalists and has a monument dedicated to him at the Yasukuni shrine. He cast the only dissenting vote against punishing Japanese officials for war crimes, which included Abe’s grandfather Kishi. Perhaps this was one more reason for Abe’s pro-Indian stance because as early as 2007 he declared that “a strong India is in the best interest of Japan and a strong Japan is in the best interest of India.” In his 2007 book Towards a Beautiful Country: My Vision For Japan, Abe had also written that it would “not be a surprise if in another decade, Japan-India relations overtake Japan-U.S. and Japan-China ties.”More recently when Abe won the elections in Japan, Modi sent him a congratulatory message even though he was still just a Chief Minister at that time. So considering their past history, we can expect the relations between India and Japan to become even stronger. This combined with what is seen as their “heathen” credentials truly fills the usual suspects with dread. To quote one of their Japanologist (quiet like the Indologist subversionists) attack dogs:Mullins says this magnetic tug of the past is not unique to Japan. “I see Shinto fundamentalists as very similar to U.S. Christian fundamentalists and Hindu neo-nationalists,”If you set aside the obfuscation about Christian fundamentalists, it becomes obvious that the real target is the heathens and their leaders.Just as in the past, the Abrahamics cannot stand to see rival pagan powers left standing and it is all the more dreadful to them if these powers start collaborating with each other. So we can expect them to do all they can to thwart the India-Japan relationship, and any nationalist policies that can challenge the Christian Anglo-Saxon (note that David Cameron has recently reiterated that the UK is a Christian country) hegemony. May the Gods foil their designs and grant success to both Modi & Abe in their endeavors.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Apr 2014 01:22

vic wrote:NDTV and Times NOW are bashing Modi but pushing Jaitely as their blue eyed boy. Dynasty and Coterie are still relying on Dilli Billis to help them After elections. Note::- Nobody and nobody in BJP except Modi and SSwamy have ever attacked Sonia, Pappu or PG for corruption and this pact still continues.

This is the exact problem with BJP. Is BJP a nice party? I doubt it, so they are incompetent, scared, brainless or lack unity. Probably they have all of the sad qualities. Most of the 2nd tier leaders of Congress or other regional parties are not scared to attack Modi, RSS, BJP, Hindutva ityadi.

A good warrior is shrewd and talented. He knows when to strike terror in the hearts of the enemy to demoralize them. Modi has been single handedly (along with his team) working miracles through out the country, and the gutless morons in BJP are jumping on the bandwagon for ride. Some of them hoping that Modi does not get the chance to become the PM.

One of my few Ack Thoos in BRF....is on the BJP party. If BJP wins spectacularly and NDA gets 300+ seats, it is ALL because of Modi (and this team) + RSS + BJP cadres. NOT BJP Leaders. 2014 could be truly a victory of the people by the people.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Apr 2014 01:22

vic wrote:NDTV and Times NOW are bashing Modi but pushing Jaitely as their blue eyed boy. Dynasty and Coterie are still relying on Dilli Billis to help them After elections. Note::- Nobody and nobody in BJP except Modi and SSwamy have ever attacked Sonia, Pappu or PG for corruption and this pact still continues.

This is the exact problem with BJP. Is BJP a nice party? I doubt it, so they are incompetent, scared, brainless or lack unity. Probably they have all of the sad qualities. Most of the 2nd tier leaders of Congress or other regional parties are not scared to attack Modi, RSS, BJP, Hindutva ityadi.

A good warrior is shrewd and talented. He knows when to strike terror in the hearts of the enemy to demoralize them. Modi has been single handedly (along with his team) working miracles through out the country, and the gutless morons in BJP are jumping on the bandwagon for ride. Some of them hoping that Modi does not get the chance to become the PM.

One of my few Act Thoos in BRF....is on the BJP party. If BJP wins spectacularly and NDA gets 300+ seats, it is ALL because of Modi (and this team) + RSS + BJP cadres. NOT BJP Leaders. 2014 could be truly a victory of the people by the people.

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 28 Apr 2014 01:23

Nobody and nobody in BJP except Modi and SSwamy have ever attacked Sonia, Pappu or PG for corruption and this pact still continues.

Very right. Watched a few minutes of the AJ-Arnab interview and sort of didn't like AJs approach particularly when he says ' we know they have skeletons too" in response to some question about Modi's wife. I mean why the ==? What wrong did Modi do to his wife that there is some quid pro quo about 'skeletons in the cupboard'.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 28 Apr 2014 01:27

It is not BJP+, it is not NDA+. The truth is 2014 is the year of: Modi+

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 28 Apr 2014 01:31

AJ and Swapan types with their anglophile pretensions and ELM friendliness dont inspire confidence, all said and done.