Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 09 Apr 2013 08:42

Muppalla wrote:Every speech is creating a crisis for the media houses.

Rahul speak has become pappucock derived from poppycock or balderdash.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Apr 2013 08:55

Hurt is showing.

Why it is wrong to compare Rahul Gandhi with Modi
http://www.rediff.com/news/slide-show/s ... 130409.htm

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 09 Apr 2013 09:29

disha wrote:
Pratyush wrote: I know that the first choice was the Viggen. It was not bought cause the Yanks put sanctions on it cause of some US made components. The point that I am making is that the INC can easily get away pointing out that the IAF did not buy the Viggen. So the allegations have not credibility.
The question is not about buying Viggen or not. The question is about conflict of interest. Just 30 years after independence, son of a PM and leader of nation is representing a foreign arms exporter and it is not disclosed!

And even more importantly, how much more is hidden? Of course, people will give a flimsy reason that Viggen was not bought and hence a non-issue. What would be the situation if Viggen was indeed bought? Given the Bofors scandal, it is imperative to think that how much money would have or exchanged hands.

In that case is Sonia a foreign hand?

Allegations never have a credibility. Allegations only have deniability or admissibility in a formal scenario. In an informal scenario they also have 'tadka value'.

Disha ji, hardly anybody on BRF will let go of the 'tadka value' of this. This value is real and usable and which can be used in a campaign to colour even valid and above board transactions (I am not advocating it, it is not good morality.). But at the same time we need to realize more seasoning does not equal better taste. Also we cannot deny the fact that Kongis have absolute deniability on this issue for the simple reason that it did not happen.

MSM is increasingly talking of early elections. Man baby does not seem to have the ability to allow certain quarters time enough to collect on the Promissory notes.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Apr 2013 09:38

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Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Apr 2013 09:45

johneeG wrote: Sanku saar,
did advani had to say that he cried in a corner when babri was demolished? He could have kept quite if he wanted to. Then why did he say what he said? Not because of court or any such thing. He said to try for an image make-over: from hindutva to 'secularism'. He thought he was being too clever when he did that. And he was given moh tod jawab by the BJP core voters in that elections. In a way, his position became like a dhobi ka ...

johneeG garu, Saar, you are partially right no doubt, but I was not talking about the above comment. I was talking about another comment. Now we may not have talked about this, but you will agree that I usually have always maintained that the BJP should have taken a stronger Hindutva position post 2004, and not make good governance or development its sole prominent plank.

So yes, I completely agree that there were cases where BJP/Advani attempted a image makeover, at least to appear more broad based (we keep hearing the broad tent appeal even on BRF right). I also agree that was a mistake.

Now does that mean what the Hindu voters did was right? Kiska moonh toda? (Whose face did they break) -- what they did to teach Advani a lesson was to gift India years of blatant looting, misgovernance, butchering of Hindus in attacks. A free run to Pakistan.

So I wonder if breaking your own face is a good way to teach a lesson to BJP for trying a bit of taqqiya?

Right now the biggest hurdle in Modi's path to throne is not MSM or mainos. They have already lost.

No Saar, there is no indication on the ground that is true. Look at the vote %. Congress votes are not really falling anywhere. Let us not live in that fond hope.

We are in deep trouble, and squabbling over positioning differences is hardly the right approach. This is not because we care for BJP, because Hindu consolidation towards a party closest to Hindu causes is essential, however incompetent, useless or less than perfect that party is.

If you can put forth a name which is better for Hindu's than BJP today, I will happily change my tune. The thing is we have TINA, and thus, we cant afford to teach our only hope "a lesson". We need to work with it, for better or for worse.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Apr 2013 09:47

And who was the CM?

Law relaxed for Priyanka to buy farmland in Himachal

Priyanka Gandhi Vadra, daughter of Congress president Sonia Gandhi, and leading lawyer Prashant Bhushan are among 881 individual beneficiaries, companies, societies and trusts granted permission in the last three years to buy land in Himachal Pradesh. The strict land laws that do not permit outsiders or non- agriculturists to buy farmland were relaxed for these select few.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/o ... 595739.ece

member_21074 · Post by **member_21074** » 09 Apr 2013 09:54

RoyG wrote:^^I was thinking the exact same thing. The problem for him is he has no takers in India so he has to go abroad. Modi on the other hand is blitzing through different states and garnering more support so it's only natural that momentum will increase. I hope Modi shreds up this stupid constitution and helps draft a new one based on duties rather than rights and puts an end to all this secular socialist mumbo jumbo.

@Roy, I don't this that is the case (in reply to bold line). He can find enough takers in the immediate audience. IMO, no issues abt takers.

To add to that, a speech in western world (specially US) has two additional mileage points for slave bees
1- See Beta-bee went to west.. so you can't compare modi,as he has no visa.
2- See modi has no international acceptance, beta-bee has done this.
3- The same bullshit as in CII can be easily sold-off as - he was trying to explain them INDIA.
Though I doubt if beta-b will visit US, and even if he do he will have to ensure no legal fall-back from his drug case.

In All, keeping emotions and pet-lingo aside, congress is in deep trouble as modi has forced them on backfoot. It's like forcing a Bhajji to compete with bret-lee in pace.
From here,all congress will have two options:

1- change the game, force the discussion from development to social aspect and set the agenda. (easier choice, that's what they are trying)

2- compete in development arena, but then that's their sticky wicket. They don't know how to play ball and are currently hoping for a change of bowler. To win here, they will have to offer better options in development front and such that will be acceptable to larger audience.

It is also certain, that if the current trend continues, the agenda for urban population will be set by SM, mainly twitter, as they can't be fooled.
However in rural area, they will still try their propaganda and their success will depend on the fact that SM will have little impact on local newspapers.

PS: Sorry for gatecrashing into discussion from audience arena. But just cldn't miss the party

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 09 Apr 2013 10:10

johneeG wrote:Offline, I argued against such policy of voting out BJP. VijayK saar has given a good explanation of how people by default go with castes but will rally with some group/person when he really takes up hindutva, but the same people will leave if that group/person is perceived as dishonest or opportunist(i.e. only using hindutva as a vote catching policy but not delivering anything on it).

But, I think that policy is not completely without merit. I'll explain by an analogy. Lets say a person lives in a mohalla near red-light area. That person has a girl-friend or wife. Now, this person will not be unduly bothered by the behaviour of a prostitute. But, if his girl-friend or wife were to be imitating the prostitute's behaviour, he would be alarmed. And will immediately take measures to convey his displeasure in the strongest terms. One can argue that his girl-friend or wife is still better than the prostitute anyday, then why is he getting alarmed. He is getting alarmed because he does not want her to proceed in that path. So, he wants to nip such attitude in the bud.

Conceptually, 'conveying his displeasure in the strongest possible terms' would be the rational thing to do. But you have to admit, if his definition of 'strongest possible term' is to divorce the current girl-friend and marry the prostitute - then that's just a wee-bit wonky, wouldn't you ? Perhaps you could even say that he's taken leave of his senses ?

In order for our democracy to work - we have to work under the assumption and ensure that every voter follows the simple and rational dictum of voting for the best available alternative. If voters don't behave rationally - that screws up democracy and governance for everyone, not just for those who are behaving irrationally.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 09 Apr 2013 10:13

If pappu goes to west, boston will be a nice place to begin with

Even if he goes to europe , people can still ask why didnt he start with boston. On top of that some people may have two passports, which one will be used?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 09 Apr 2013 10:39

Modi live in Kolkata, West Bengal:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/live/channel/ ... eststories

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 09 Apr 2013 10:48

One doesn't need to watch the entire speech to know that he has already inspired Bengal. Cheers.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 09 Apr 2013 11:00

So on NDTV last night Amitabh Revi(?) say that there has been mixed reactions to Modi's speech. He cuts to his Chennai correspondent who has 3 women waiting, the correspondent asks them how they felt about the speech. Each one of them says that speech was extremely positive and impressive. Then he summerises it by saying that "we are getting mixed reactions about the speech...."

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Apr 2013 11:02

RoyG wrote:Modi live in Kolkata, West Bengal:

http://www.ndtv.com/video/live/channel/ ... eststories

Hail Mary, most secular channel of India undieTV livecasting Namo Speech.!!!!

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 09 Apr 2013 11:09

Tamang wrote:So on NDTV last night Amitabh Revi(?) say that there has been mixed reactions to Modi's speech. He cuts to his Chennai correspondent who has 3 women waiting, the correspondent asks them how they felt about the speech. Each one of them says that speech was extremely positive and impressive. Then he summerises it by saying that "we are getting mixed reactions about the speech...."

Ah the famous art of paraphrasing/summarizing, made famous by certain posters on BRF too.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Apr 2013 11:23

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 09 Apr 2013 11:29

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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Apr 2013 11:40

watch the hindi, bengali, oriya, telugu, kannda, tamil, marathi and malayalam channels and newspapers carefully . these have far more reach and readership from tier2 down to the village level and a good segment of tier1 esp women and older men prefer these as well. the reach of english MSM is mostly in their own minds....talking a good game at harvard is hardly going to register outside of delhi and mumbai drawing rooms.

what are these native channels saying about namo and yuvaraj?

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 09 Apr 2013 11:41

Standing ovation. He killed it.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 09 Apr 2013 11:44

^More like the ovation doesn't end.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Apr 2013 11:44

^^^+1 standing ovation. Genuine awe in the audience. Qs are those that would be put only to a shadow PM, nay an imminent PM. Only. Phoren policy par question aaya...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Apr 2013 11:50

good points these
What has Delhi given to India? It has kept the entire country in darkness: Narendra Modi
We will introduce a policy to promote solar energy through which every person can have solar panels on their rooftops and sell power: Modi
We are selling power and earning: Narendra Modi
The Gujarat electricity board was suffering major losses, but today Gujarat has surplus electricity: Narendra Modi\

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here he is seen looking at a solar panel array actually over the narmada canal. acts both as a cover to reduce evaporation and to generate power
http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... olar-power

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 09 Apr 2013 11:51

Arun Menon wrote:^More like the ovation doesn't end.

"He killed it" means he did outstanding.

Chandragupta · Post by **Chandragupta** » 09 Apr 2013 11:54

Around 9 yesterday, there was a show on some English news channel with Kiron Kher from BJP and Sanjay Jha(ntu) from the Congress, in the larger panel of around 5-6 people. Anybody remember which channel & show it was? I could just catch a glimpse of Jhantu speaking some nonsense.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 09 Apr 2013 11:55

^I got that, sorry if gave the wrong impression

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Apr 2013 11:55

at this rate adharmic forces will soon need to commit their last remaining wonder-weapon which is kumbhakarna (Mataji)..who has been hiding like darth sidius in the shadows and playing at being chancellor palpatine.."with great reluctance" exercising the power of a despot

the trade guilds and citizens of the neglected outer rim colonies need to throw in their lot behind reformist movements.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Apr 2013 11:56

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Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Apr 2013 11:56

He says at the beginning that the Kolkata is the key to the rise of the entire eastern and NE region. He knows, he understands.

But why isn't uPA issuing daily edicts to the paid media and MSM to bury NM's speeches in thunderous silence? They've perfected the art of pretending not to see elephanst in the rom after all...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 09 Apr 2013 11:57

Chandragupta wrote:Around 9 yesterday, there was a show on some English news channel with Kiron Kher from BJP and Sanjay Jha(ntu) from the Congress, in the larger panel of around 5-6 people. Anybody remember which channel & show it was? I could just catch a glimpse of Jhantu speaking some nonsense.

^^^ http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/left-r ... o-featured

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Apr 2013 11:58

"reality distortion field" exists around UPA power nodes. the sheer madness and mental circus of living like a sanitized hierloom surrounded by fawning mentally imbecile courtiers 24x7 would drive a normal human into depression and possible madness...but the ghandy family sure seems up for it.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 09 Apr 2013 12:03

Modi is going to be the next PM of India at this rate. No compromise. Snap count has been initiated and a dharmic nuke will soon finish off these mlecchas sitting in Delhi.

Arunkumar · Post by **Arunkumar** » 09 Apr 2013 12:13

At this rate, toilet pipes coming out of Lutyen's Delhi will be clogged with bricks.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Apr 2013 12:14

Hari Seldon wrote:He says at the beginning that the Kolkata is the key to the rise of the entire eastern and NE region. He knows, he understands.

But why isn't uPA issuing daily edicts to the paid media and MSM to bury NM's speeches in thunderous silence? They've perfected the art of pretending not to see elephanst in the rom after all...

Cause they are confident that they can silence Modi and know that at the moment he has not second string.

What if, he gets accidented in Say June or July, with polls in Novemeber. Who will the mango abdul vote for. Will he vote for BJP or will he vote for Modi.

Right now, it is all Modi. BJP is playing a second fiddle. Its time the other leaders of BJP go on the attack mode. Else, with Modi gone BJP can be defeated.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 09 Apr 2013 12:19

^ true. selective breakthrough offensives by shock armies must go in concert with general offensives all across the front from leningrad to sevastopol.

drive the wehrmacht all the way back to berlin ...er roma.

other tier1 leaders of BJP have been passive and invisible lately.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 09 Apr 2013 12:20

Best way to keep LKA at check, declare him as "Rajguru." In one shot, we can elevate him above NaMo, at the same time we can neutralize a potential threat to India aka NaMo.

NaMo is indeed a master strategist. He is nullifying Congress' support base, one at a time. Indeed fortunate to witness to see the history live.

Murugan · Post by **Murugan** » 09 Apr 2013 12:25

I hope Baby dont come back after delivering 'lectures' abroad and let mama follow him and they dont return. Alas!

Let their party again give reign in the hands of mango people like LBS or PVNR. (Can anybody inside the party even think of becoming one such person?) once Aam Aadmi holds the reign of this party, then only there will be a proper comparison with NaMo. Till then all other efforts of comparison are useless.

Till then, Jay Mahakali! Tera Vachan Na Jaay Khali!

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Apr 2013 12:27

People never voted for LKA, they voted for ABV. Similarly, they will not be voting for the BJP. They will be voting for Modi. That being the case, LKA is not a threat to Modi.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 09 Apr 2013 12:38

Pratyush wrote:People never voted for LKA, they voted for ABV. Similarly, they will not be voting for the BJP. They will be voting for Modi. That being the case, LKA is not a threat to Modi.

You are totally wrong. BJP supporters had more faith in Advani than ABV. If BJP had at least simple majority, then Advani would have been PM.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 09 Apr 2013 12:42

Narendra Modi raises development pitch, attacks UPA government

"In Gujarat, I spent 10 years in filling potholes which the Congress created ... here, they (Left government) made potholes for 30 years but the present (Mamata Banerjee-led) government is going in right direction," he said.

Possible alliance with didi in the works??

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Apr 2013 12:46

Perhaps, but people like me voted for ABV. I will be voting for Modi / BJP simply to keep the Dynasty out of power. The chips can fall where they may. But I am clear that the Dynasty has to go. Along with the rest of parasites that feed off that system.

Modi ATM, is the best hope of doing so. The fact that he is speaking in terms of national development and strength is a huge bonus. But I will be a lot more comfortable about the prospect of defeating the Dynasty, if there was a second string. Purely from the POV of risk management.

Right now, Modi is the single point of failure.