Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby Arjun » 30 Mar 2013 18:18

Another in the long line of articles recognizing the Dynasty's role in destroying India's economic potential:

Message to Sonia: reform or perish

Something to chew on for those poseurs who revel in "Baazikaran" against "assorted leftists" while prostrating to the leftist Red Queen ruling over 'em all...
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Postby member_20292 » 30 Mar 2013 18:28

NaMo is not supported by LKA, SS, AJ etc...people who have been cabinet earlier. Nor by top RSS leaders.

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Postby Arjun » 30 Mar 2013 18:43

mahadevbhu wrote:NaMo is not supported by LKA, SS, AJ etc...people who have been cabinet earlier. Nor by top RSS leaders.

He's going to be made part of the Parliamentary board today, & Amit Shah is likely to become General Secretary. If this comes about - that would mean his control is total.

Like I said earlier, the only question is on his acceptability with alliance partners. If BJP could determine PM on their own without needing partners - Modi would definitely be made PM IF he wants the post. The BJP would not be able to ignore party sentiments.

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Postby vijayk » 30 Mar 2013 18:51

http://m.indianexpress.com/news/message ... h/1094989/
I have challenged, in every forum possible, whether in the last nine years of UPA rule there has been a single positive economic policy that the UPA has initiated. The answer is No; the “best” answer received is that UPA 1, and definitely not UPA 2, did no harm. It is logically not possible that the UPA’s economic policies have any relationship to Manmohan Singh, the economist. If they do, then I am a Bharat Natyam dancer. So let’s stop the charade — Sonia has been, and is, the boss on both economic and political policies of UPA 1 and 2.

Actually, Sonia’s economic policies have their origin in the creation of the Congress in 1885. It was founded by members of the occultist movement “Theosophical Society”. What does occultism mean? Occult comes from the Latin word “occultus” which means “clandestine, hidden, secret”. According to Wikipedia, occultrefers to “knowledge of the paranormal as opposed to knowledge of science. for most practising occultists it is simply the study of a deeper spiritual reality that extends beyond pure reason” (emphasis added).

It is impossible to better describe Sonia’s economic policies. Only something that defies pure reason would have led Sonia to promulgate policies meant to help the poor but which ended by hurting them massively instead. Sonia UPA’s alchemy raised procurement prices of foodgrains beyond reason, helped a few rich farmers (say 20 million) and massively hurt ten times as many landless agricultural workers. And by generating super-inflation for four years, transformed the Indian economy beyond recognition.


It is impossible to better describe Sonia’s economic policies. Only something that defies pure reason would have led Sonia to promulgate policies meant to help the poor but which ended by hurting them massively instead. Sonia UPA’s alchemy raised procurement prices of foodgrains beyond reason, helped a few rich farmers (say 20 million) and massively hurt ten times as many landless agricultural workers. And by generating super-inflation for four years, transformed the Indian economy beyond recognition.

Or take Sonia’s self-advertised policy of providing employment to the poorest of the poor — the MGNREGA programme of providing backbreaking work employment to the poorest of the poor. To date, about Rs 1,70,000 crore has been spent on this occult programme. According to the detailed NSS 2009-10 data, the poor received only a fifth of this money as wages. Which means that about Rs 1,40,000 crore went to the non-poor. This is not economics, not even occult economics, nor even voodoo economics. This is alchemy economics a la Sonia.

A defining characteristic of this beyond-reason Sonianomics is “in your face populism”. The huge fiscal deficits run by her government are near universally acknowledged (near because not acknowledged by the alchemists within the party) as responsible for the destruction of the Indian economy. So what does the latest UPA budget for 2013-14 do? It plans for 13 per cent GDP growth, 16 per cent higher expenditure growth, financed by 19 per cent tax revenue growth! This is meant to bring sanity into the fiscal deficit sphere?! Heard a better definition of occultism lately? Or take the announcement that the DMK is leaving the UPA. Sonia’s Titanic response — have the cabinet pass her second favourite occult policy, the Food Security Bill.

A summary sequential view of Sonianomics is as follows. First, the policies have to be do-gooder in nature. Second, they have to have heavy state involvement. The first two are necessary and sufficient to achieve the third objective — encouragement of corruption.

More corruption charges have been levelled against Sonia’s government than any in Indian history. Her late husband, Rajiv Gandhi, lost the elections in 1989 (after obtaining three-fourths of the seats in 1984) in large part because of his alleged association with the Bofors gun scam. The alleged bribe paid for that contract, Rs 64 crore, or $40 million at the then exchange rates. Even a conservative assessment of the cumulative corruption associated with Sonia’s mistaken, misguided, and misapplied flagship MGNREGA job scheme — her universally acknowledged baby — is at least half of the Rs 1,40,000 crore estimated above. That is $14 billion, or an amount equivalent to 350 times the Bofors amount. Note that this is corruption in MGNREGA alone. Coal, telecom, foodgrains policy — the list is just as endless as the decline in India’s fortunes.

So what is to be done, or what can Sonia Gandhi do to reverse hers and India’s misfortune? She can start changing her occult spots — now — so that, by the time of the elections, the economy, and the poor, recover somewhat from the depths.

Or she can observe the wheels of history. Recall that Annie Besant became president of the Congress party in 1917. If Sonia Gandhi does not change, then she risks the following obituary of the party she heads: “It took a white, European, socialist, woman to help create the Congress party — and it has taken a white, European, socialist, woman to destroy it more than a hundred years later.”

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Postby RajeshA » 30 Mar 2013 19:12

I hope Modi goes with a massive fishing net to bring all the corrupt UPA people to book! All he needs is to give a few contracts to a few parties abroad, and they will spill out all the secrets of the family's shady deals. He should start with one case with which he is sure to nail the corrupt. Once he has successfully prosecuted the guilty, then he can bring out more and more cases and put the people behind jail for a very long time with only a poster of the Adriatic Coast as company.

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Postby RoyG » 30 Mar 2013 19:23

Modi will be indicting leaders from across the political spectrum including the BJP and arms dealers, multinationals, intelligence agents, governments, etc. Nothing will happen. Just initiate reform and get all the gears moving so that we can resume our journey to overthrow the West and East Asian tigers including China as the dominant economic power of the world.

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Postby Supratik » 30 Mar 2013 20:18

It means the Republicans are warming upto Modi as the Congress delegation was also Republican. The leftist propaganda has had more effect on the Democrats who are waiting or watching and hoping that Modi is not elected. Similar things happened in the 90s when the Clinton administration was affected by leftist propaganda.

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Postby Gus » 30 Mar 2013 20:35

Pratyush wrote:Was US Congress delegation paid to praise Modi?

Not really unexpected.


Right now, theres no proof. It is all allegations. I suspect INC behind this. Not really unexpected fits them more here.

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Postby Sushupti » 30 Mar 2013 20:59

‏@minhazmerchant 4m
Glee over "Paid Modi" visit by US legislators evaporates as truth dawns on Cong paid sycos. What a bunch of dorks!

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Postby Arjun » 30 Mar 2013 21:18

Good development actually....The Americans are getting a taste of how desperate the Dynasty is to demonize Modi on completely trivial and nonsensical issues. They will soon start realizing that much of the whole demonization over 2002 was pure Goebbels-like fabrication.

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Postby RamaY » 30 Mar 2013 21:26

HS garu and RajeshaA ji,

Secularism = Christianity without church
Psecularism = Islam without mullah

The moment we say India needs secularism, then we are accepting the 'allegation' that

1. Hinduism, like Abrahamic religions, has a negative influence on state affairs and hence must be kept separate
2. Without secularism, the Hindu majority will undermine the (equal) civil rights of religious minorities.

First we need to agree upon the need for secularism in a Hindu majority society. If it is needed then we can see what kind of secularism is required (India, Nehruvian or pseudo or whatever).

Only then we can demand a leader to be secular to qualify for the PM of India job.

Only in India we see people claiming to be secular. Everywhere else people identify themselves with their nation, religion, language etc. Secularism is limited to the state (governance). Only in India we have secularism applied at even individual level.

Asking for OR gloating about NM's secular credentials both are unnecessary and even dangerous IMHO.

In many aspects NM is, for once, rewriting and redefining rules of game. For Bharat's sake we need to support him instead of pulling him back into petty models defined by the C-system. For example
- When he says his definition of secularism is "India first" he is simply removing the religion from definition of secularism.
- When he says the future powers will be based on knowledge, he is simply resetting the benchmarks where India has an edge.

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Postby krisna » 30 Mar 2013 21:29

khanates probably know all the whole sordid drama regarding NaMo.

They only kowtow to the powerful.
In the last few years, anti NaMo was strong despite the evidence. hence the khanates went with the wind bowing to the stronger one.
Now the winds are blowing other way, hence warming upto NaMo.

Overall khanates hold the ace in this wrt anti NaMo brigade.
If anti NaMo brigade trips it will be in dog house.(lose their potency, may even be in jail ala Ghualm fai like charges)

Meanwhile NaMo and its supporters should contiue their good work.

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Postby vishvak » 30 Mar 2013 21:30

If Americans have had approval then why is one or the other side waiting? Doesn't look like more than the usual way of Americans to keep in touch with opposition.

Which political group in USA is keeping in touch with BJP is important here. The leftists are ignoring BJP under excuse of communalism etc.


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Postby disha » 30 Mar 2013 21:48

RamaY wrote:First we need to agree upon the need for secularism in a Hindu majority society.


Ramayji, Hindu majority society does not need the concept of "western secularism". As RajeshAji pointed out, "secularism" itself is a dharmic component of the Hindu larger dharma. What Modi is following as a CM is "Raj Dharma". As a follower of Raj Dharma, he is able to deliver good governance for all his people. As a person who is intending on delivering good governance and development all around, he has to follow Raj Dharma. Something as simple as this will escape sickularists.

Also the concept of "secularism" has been so twisted in India that it has become anti-hindu. Hence the very

Given that in my mind "secular" is "Dharmic" in whatever sphere of life you participate. So let me rephrase:

Modi is Dharmic, people opposing him on wrong pretexts are Adharmic. <- However this will be taken as a "Hindutva" slogan. So.,
Modi is Nationalist, people opposing him on wrong pretexts are anti-nationalists. (or)

In the context of Godhra riots: Modi is Secular, People who oppose him are communal.

Again, I am trying to change the context here. It is time to take the fight to the anti-modi brigade., paint them in the corner.

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Postby disha » 30 Mar 2013 21:53

vishvak wrote:If Americans have had approval then why is one or the other side waiting? Doesn't look like more than the usual way of Americans to keep in touch with opposition.


Good cop, bad cop routine. Americans want to be in Gujarat development story. Having castigated the CM of Gujarat, they have climbed a tiger and are looking for ways to get down.

Generally Republicans are supported by big business. Big business wants to make money and there are fewer spots in the world where the confluence of skill, talent, infrastructure, governance etc intersect. Gujarat is one such spot and the big business wants in. So the start is from republican politicians connected with that big business (for eg. MacDonalds has 4 franchise in Ahmedabad., of course it wants to open up more across Gujarat).

Hence do not try to miss the forest for trees., this is a charade from the American side to climb down the tiger they mounted. And again as climbing down they need to keep their honor and dignity intact - right?

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Postby disha » 30 Mar 2013 22:06

This quote from the rediff article on US Congressman visit to Modi is a keeper:

Alvi said, "One feels ashamed over this kind of news. It is an insult to a nation. The Congressmen were given Rs 9 lakh each so that America can give him (Modi) visa and a certificate of development.

"This is unfortunate. If the money had been spent in Gujarat for the poor and development, then it would have been much better," he said.


:rotfl:

The think-tank organized the visit, just like there are think-tanks here that organize tea-lunch-dinner with governors, presidents, ex-presidents etc. Congis really do not get it, Modi has changed the game. He is going to be accessible and for some coming to access him will open up campaign contributions for BJP. "Note bhi mila, Vote bhi mila". Really have to give it to this man to change the equations.

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Postby harbans » 30 Mar 2013 22:24

From all news reports i have seen and read, it is the US Congressmen that paid for the trip. Yet i have seen headlines in some that say the Congressmen were paid for the trip. The spin is there. Every US president has organized 5000$ table dinners etc for people to attend. Just read some of the headlines and read the actual report..to understand the spin.

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Postby member_20292 » 30 Mar 2013 22:25

Arjun wrote:
mahadevbhu wrote:NaMo is not supported by LKA, SS, AJ etc...people who have been cabinet earlier. Nor by top RSS leaders.

He's going to be made part of the Parliamentary board today, & Amit Shah is likely to become General Secretary. If this comes about - that would mean his control is total.

Like I said earlier, the only question is on his acceptability with alliance partners. If BJP could determine PM on their own without needing partners - Modi would definitely be made PM IF he wants the post. The BJP would not be able to ignore party sentiments.


I dont know saar.

Sure. Ideally BJP should win majority outright. Nitish Kumar, will yet have to see the light and ally even with a Modi as PM govt.

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Postby harbans » 30 Mar 2013 22:47

Take this headline in DNA: It's a shame that US Congressmen were paid for getting Narendra Modi a visa: Congress

From the report:
The visit of a group of Americans including the three Congressmen -- Aaron Schock, Cynthia Lummis and Cathy M Rodgers-- and some businessmen has now been mired in a controversy following reports that the team members may have paid between $3,000 (Rs16,000) and $16,000 (Rs8.68 lakhs) each for the trip.


More on the spins:

Congress Spokesperson Rashid Alvi said it was a "shame that the Congressmen were paid for getting a visa and certificate of development for Modi".

Vijay Jolly, convenor of Overseas BJP, rejected the charges, saying the Congressmen have spent their own money and there was no impropriety involved.

Alvi said, "One feels ashamed over this kind of news. It is an insult to a nation. The Congressmen were given Rs9 lakh each so that America can give him (Modi) a visa and a certificate of development.

"This is unfortunate. If the money had been spent in Gujarat for the poor and development, then it would have been much better," he said.

Jolly said there was no controversy at all. In America, people even pay for attending a dinner with the President.

"The US businessmen wanted to come to India. They spend their own money. They have been attracted by Narendra Modi's governance," he said, attacking the Congress for making an issue of the trip.


One can look into the spin in the above itself..

Link here

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Postby disha » 30 Mar 2013 22:49

harbans wrote:From all news reports i have seen and read, it is the US Congressmen that paid for the trip. Yet i have seen headlines in some that say the Congressmen were paid for the trip. The spin is there. Every US president has organized 5000$ table dinners etc for people to attend. Just read some of the headlines and read the actual report..to understand the spin.


CongIs are burning (with jealousy) and the stench they are raising by buying off the headlines shows the paupers (in terms of ideas, thoughts etc) they are. CongIs are spinning in tizzy trying to put a spin on everything - lotas they are.

Anyway, from Modinama 3 (of Madhu Kishtwar):

Are you saying the initiative for building bridges has to come from Muslims also?

Yes, I am saying precisely that. Our leaders have fed the Muslim Community on deep prejudice against Hindus and deliberately created mistrust vis-a vis Hindus. If Muslims live up to negative stereotypes people have of them, how can we blame others for our ghettoized existence?

During the 1985 Gujarat riots, I was in Delhi and was talking to my family on phone near Nizamuddin describing my nervousness in Delhi. A sardar taxi driver who overheard me said: “Mulla ji, no Hindu hates you here. We even worship your dead at the Nizamuddin dargah. ( Aapke murdon ko bhi poojte hain), referring to the tomb of the sufi saint. Be like the Nizamuddin Auliya and we will worship you as well! In this dargah, don’t the Hindus come in even larger numbers than the Muslims? Why would Hindus hate you?”

The moment Muslims change their kirdaar in Gujarat, Hindus too respond. For example, normally in Muslim weddings there are no Hindus. In my daughter’s wedding, I did something special. I invited over 400 Hindus and had vegetarian meal prepared for them separately. Every Hindu woman who came congratulated me and said, “You did a great job. Spending time with the women in the zenana has a charm of its own (Auraton ke saath baithne ka mazaa hi kuch aur hai.)” Everyone appreciated the intermingling between Hindus and Muslims. Everybody came, even though they knew it was a traditional Muslim wedding. Someone has to make a breakthrough. How long can we continue living as stereotypes?

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“Kriya pratikriya ki chain chal rahi hai. Hum chhahate hain ki na kriya ho aur na pratikriya” (A chain of action-reaction has set in. We wish to see an end to both action and reaction) Zee TV Interview with Sudhir Chowdhary , Gandhinagar. SIT Investigation established that Zee TV deleted the last line to give the impression that Modi was justifying “ reaction” by way of mob violence to avenge the killings of Godhra. (More detailed report on this later)

wonder how many more lies are being peddled against NaMo. How many well meaning Indians taken for a ride.

It is worth reading the entire article showing the actions of NaMo -- check out his statements.
Really a person with spine compared with jackasses ruling at the centre.
He has been in the thick of action.

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Postby Lilo » 31 Mar 2013 01:03

^^ Interesting bit picked up by Madhu Kishwar. She correctly translates it. But many of the paid media outlets have used the erroneous translation , and went on to allege Modi's culpability in the riots. Even the recent SIT translates it wrong as shown below in the verbatim quote supposedly lifted from its report. A case of a congi babu embedded in SIT quietly pulling a number on public ?

On 1 March 2002, as the fire of communal riots was raging in Gujarat, in an interview to Zee News, Modi made the following remark: “Kriya pratikriya ki chain chal rahi hai. Hum chahte hain ki na kriya ho aur na pratikriya (The process of action and reaction is on. I would say if action doesn’t happen there would be no reaction).”


When this meaning is plainly clear to someone like me (a non native speaker of Hindi), wonder how much did our esteemed journos (Vir Sangvi, Siddharth Varadarajan, Tehelkas etc) got paid for twisting the truth

Chindu blog pointed this out in 2009 itself

Riots often occur in reaction to a perceived grievance or out of dissent. Godhra was the ghastly incident which triggered off Gujarat riots. The secular, left lib, intellectuals have gone to great extent to mis-represent the riots and misinterpret Modi's statements.

Reality, one bite at a time: Modi's 'action-reaction' quote - Siddarth Varadarajan
‘Kriya pratikriya ki chain chal rahi hai. Hum chahate hain ki na kriya ho aur na pratikriya. (What is happening is a chain of action and reaction. What I want is that there should be no action and no reaction).’ Asked about the violence which erupted throughout Gujarat on the day of the VHP-sponsored bandh, he said:

Godhra mein jo parson hua, jahan par chalees mahilaon aur bacchon ko zinda jala diya, is mein desh mein aur videsh mein sadma pahunchna swabhavik tha. Godhra ke is ilake ke logon ki criminal tendencies rahi hain. In logon ne pahele mahila teachers ka khoon kiya. Aur ab yeh jaghanya apraadh kiya hai jiski pratikria ho rahi hai. (It is natural that what happened in Godhra day before yesterday, where forty women and children were burnt alive, has shocked the country and the world. The people in that part of Godhra have had criminal tendencies. Earlier, these people had murdered women teachers. And now they have done this terrible crime for which a reaction is going on).

Modi's statements are given above, along with the translation. Whether taken within the context or without, there is no call for violence in Modi's remarks. Unlike Rajiv Gandhi's infamous statement (“Some riots took place in the country following the murder of Indiraji. We know the people were very angry and for a few days it seemed that India had been shaken. But, when a mighty tree falls, it is only natural that the earth around it does shake a little.”), there is no classification of violence into bad and good in Modi's statements. But the media has taken excessive liberties with truth. Here is the interpretation by our 'secular' journalists.
Apart from being a crude attempt to deflect criticism of his failures as chief minister, Modi’s ‘action-reaction’ theory is also morally repugnant. As Vir Sanghvi has argued, ‘What Mr Modi and his ilk are really saying is this: Because the riots were a response to a horrific and immoral act at Godhra, they are somehow less morally reprehensible . . . But cause-and-effect cannot be a moral philosophy. You cannot whitewash an event, wipe away somebody’s guilt or provide moral justification by pointing to the cause of their behaviour.

On an ending note, here is Siddharth Varadarajan again:
But though Modi did not himself invoke Newton’s name when he spoke of action and reaction, his reference to the law was obvious.

Even Newton might find it hard to deduce the reference to his law from Modi's statements. There is no talk of "equal and opposite" reaction but a cyclical action-reaction chain of escalating events (which is a characteristic of riots). SV is trying to put words into Modi's mouth.

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Gujarat Government requests neighbouring states of Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan to send additional police force. Digvijay Singh as CM of Madhya Pradesh and Ashok Gehlot as CM of Rajasthan decline the request saying they have no forces to spare. Maharashtra CM, Vilasrao Deshmukh sent some police force which was returned to them as soon as the situation came under control.


Kriya pratikriya ki chain chal rahi hai. Hum chhahate hain ki na kriya ho aur na pratikriya” (A chain of action-reaction has set in. We wish to see an end to both action and reaction) Zee TV Interview with Sudhir Chowdhary , Gandhinagar. SIT Investigation established that Zee TV deleted the last line to give the impression that Modi was justifying “ reaction” by way of mob violence to avenge the killings of Godhra. :evil: (More detailed report on this later)

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Postby VikramS » 31 Mar 2013 02:17

Pratyush wrote:Was US Congress delegation paid to praise Modi?

Not really unexpected.



Dude, other people were invited to join the delegation at different price points by event organizers.

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Postby disha » 31 Mar 2013 02:28

Pratyush wrote:Was US Congress delegation paid to praise Modi?

Not really unexpected.


Pratyush'ji, you could have joined too. From 3000 USD to 16000 USD per person you could have a range of choice. Nothing wrong in it., just do not get taken in by twisted media.

Why do tourists come to India? Some to have fun and some to have an understanding of India. Some to know the history and where it is going. Same here with people meeting Modi, they paid to come and they praised what they saw. Media twisted the facts.

In the meantime, somebody in media was talking about swine flu in Ahmedabad, Gujarat. What about the swines in Delhi?

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/delhi-records-huge-spike-in-cases-of-rape-and-molestation-348248

And let me say this again, the true lotus is blooming, it may have some blemishes - may not be of perfect color or shape or size or whatever - but - do you want the swamp or the lotus? Pick your choice, the choice is starker now.

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Postby vijayk » 31 Mar 2013 02:46

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/samaj ... 130330.htm

I have a feeling that Beni Varma is playing the game so that Mulyam withdraws the support and the ITALIAN scums can claim CON party needs full majority to stop the meddling by coalition partners. I heard murmurs of some CON supporters saying because of coalition, China is getting into SriLanka.

The Congress on Saturday maintained silence over Union Minister Beni Prasad Verma's renewed attack on outside ally Samajwadi Party, which is hopeful that he will be removed during a minor Cabinet reshuffle being talked about soon.


Yet again targeting the SP, he said there will be a "funeral procession" for the party after the next Lok Sabha elections predicting that it will win only four seats, triggering a fresh war of words with United Progressive Alliance's [ Images ] key outside supporter which demanded his immediate dismissal. Verma also alleged that Yadav has "cheated" Muslims over the Babri Masjid [ Images ] issue.

The SP, which has been angry with Verma's recent attacks, renewed its demand for his removal as minister over the "funeral procession" comment saying he has lost his "mental balance".

Significantly, the Congress had last week snubbed Verma for his remarks that Yadav had links with terrorists had raked up a controversy.

Verma had also expressed "regret" while Congress President Sonia Gandhi [ Images ] had personally spoken to the SP chief making clear to him that her party did not share Verma's view. However, a senior Congress leader said no decision has been taken yet on Verma's removal.

The minister's fresh attack has taken the SP by surprise. Some leaders feel that Verma will be removed from the Cabinet, the Congress had given an assurance in this regard.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby RamaY » 31 Mar 2013 02:58

The congress system is going to even more insane tricks as 2014 closes.

I repeat, the deracination of the majority is too deep, whose name is secularism. When people see thru these secular glasses the reality gets distorted.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby JohnTitor » 31 Mar 2013 03:27

disha wrote:This quote from the rediff article on US Congressman visit to Modi is a keeper:

Alvi said, "One feels ashamed over this kind of news. It is an insult to a nation. The Congressmen were given Rs 9 lakh each so that America can give him (Modi) visa and a certificate of development.

"This is unfortunate. If the money had been spent in Gujarat for the poor and development, then it would have been much better," he said.


:rotfl:

The think-tank organized the visit, just like there are think-tanks here that organize tea-lunch-dinner with governors, presidents, ex-presidents etc. Congis really do not get it, Modi has changed the game. He is going to be accessible and for some coming to access him will open up campaign contributions for BJP. "Note bhi mila, Vote bhi mila". Really have to give it to this man to change the equations.

:rotfl:

seriously? they actually believe a US congressman can be swayed for a mere 9lak ?? thats $16,000! Anyone with half a brain knows that will hardly buy you 1min of air time in the US. The extent to which congis are willing to make NaMo never ceases to amaze me - oh wait! it did!

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby RamaY » 31 Mar 2013 03:43

Nothing to worry. One fine day a Congi boot licker will make such a stupid remark on some foreign degnitory it will get blow up on termite family's face.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby vijayk » 31 Mar 2013 04:07



The ITALIAN MAFIA, drug lords of secularism are worried about this when Indians start living with each other and not any more in ghettos.

Gujarat has become synonymous with ghettoization and marginalization of Muslims. Activists, academics, journalists have all joined in chorus to convince the world that Muslims lived at the wretched margins and there is no space for healthy interaction between the Hindus and Muslims. I asked Zafar if experience of Hindu Muslim interaction was different in big cities like Ahmedabad.

As for ghettoization of Muslims, forget about now, 60 years back Muslims could not own any land in Navrangpura. Now in Modi’s regime, Muslims own land on SG road and CG road. We are running our BMW dealership in the heart of Ahmedabad. When I wanted to open my showroom here, I told Modi: Sir, in this environment we will not be able to carry on with our businesses. I will not be allowed to own even a small plot of land in the elite areas on account of being Muslim. He said: “Here is the map of Ahmedabad. Tell me where are you planning to buy land? If the seller is ready and you have the money, I will see who stops you. I will have the administrative process completed within 24 hours.”

Ghettoization is actually breaking down in Gujarat. But don’t forget, separate neighbourhoods for different communities have been a fact of life for thousands of years in almost all societies. People like to live with their own. Even among Muslims, Sunni Bohras prefer to live with Sunni Bohras, Memmons want to live with the Memmons, Cheepas want to live with the Cheepas, Aghakhanis with Aghakhanis; and same thing with the Hindus. Patel will not live with the Shahs; Paldi is a domain of Jains. No Patel can come in Paldi now. Even in the old city, within Hindus, there is Sutharwara where all the carpenters live; there is a Soniwar where all the sonars (goldsmiths) and jewellers live.

This reminded me that even Indian bazaars have a similar clustering. For example, in Delhi, there is Dariba in Chandni Chowk which is a 100% jewellery market. You will not find a single cloth shop there. That’s the way our whole urban landscaping takes place. There is an electrical goods market in Bhagirath Palace and so on.

The ghettoization in England is worse. I have lived there for 7 years. I went to Blackburn once, met some Gujaratis. They said, ‘Zafar bhai, it is very good here.” I asked, “tell me why?’ They replied: “From Friday evening to Monday morning you don’t see even one white man here!” I was horrified. One kind of ghettoization is when you can’t enter a particular neighbourhood simply because you are not wanted, that is when you can say it is discriminatory. The other is preferential; even when Indians go to the US many of them feel more comfortable in an Indian neighbourhood. The price of a house rises the moment a mosque comes up in any area. All Muslims neighbourhoods develop around a mosque. For example, Dewsbury is a small town in England, but because it has a strong Muslim presence, the houses in that area are more costly than in London because every Muslim wants to be there.

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Postby RamaY » 31 Mar 2013 04:29

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/govt- ... 79753.html
The termite kingdom.
The government’s move to appoint National Investigative Agency (NIA) chief SC Sinha as a Member of National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) after his retirement has hit a roadblock. The two Leaders of Opposition in Parliament, Sushma Swaraj and Arun Jaitley, have opposed the proposal mooted by the Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde.

As per norms, the appointment of NHRC members have to be cleared by a panel consisting of the Prime Minister, Home Minister, Speaker of Lok Sabha and deputy chairman of Rajya Sabha, the leaders of opposition in Lok Sabha and Rajya Sabha. However, despite the dissent from the leaders of Opposition, the government can still go ahead with the appointment of Sinha as an NHRC member, but given the embarrassing experience that it had with appointment of PJ Thomas as Central Vigilance Commissioner, it is unlikely to proceed further. Sinha will shortly retire from service.

Sources said the BJP was opposed to the UPA government’s idea of rewarding chiefs of investigation agencies with plum post-retirement posts. Sinha has been the NIA chief since February 2010. He was the investigation agency’s second chief since it came into existence in 2009. It was during Sinha’s tenure as NIA chief that the organization, at the instance of Ministry of Home Affairs, registered fresh FIRs in connection with the 2007 Hyderabad Mecca Masjid blast, 2006 Malegaon blasts and 2007 Ajmer Dargah Sharif. The agency subsequently said that these blasts were the handiwork of Hindu or right-wing extremists and filed revised charge sheets overturning the findings of the CBI and state police forces that had been filed.

In November, the government had tried to appoint the then CBI Director AP Singh to the same post as Sinha, but the BJP had opposed his appointment at the time on the same grounds. The government ultimately appointed Singh as a member of the Union Public Service Commission (UPSC). The government does need to consult Leaders of Opposition for appointment to that post in the UPSC. The Opposition had also raised a furore when another former CBI director, Ashwini Kumar, was made Governor of Nagaland.

But the one instance when the BJP had the government on the mat was over the appointment of PJ Thomas as the Central Vigilance Commissioner in 2010. Sushma Swaraj had opposed his appointment when his name was proposed by the Prime Minister and the then Home Minister P Chidambaram, but the government still went ahead with his appointment. Despite Swaraj writing a note of dissent, the government’s asserted its executive supremacy. Finally the appointment struck down by the Supreme Court.

The controversy only came to a close after the Prime Minister said he accepted responsibility for the appointment of Thomas and that he respected the Supreme Court’s judgement invalidating Thomas’ appointment. After the PM’s statement, Swaraj had tweeted, “I appreciate the statement of the PM owning responsibility…I think this is enough, let matters rest at this and we move forward.”{this is most intriguing aspect of UPA. Often it is BJP which saved MMS}

However, many in her party had then not agreed with Swaraj’s decision to give a quiet burial to an issue gave, which could have been used against the Manmohan Singh-led government over the issue of probity.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby vijayk » 31 Mar 2013 04:52

Check this site. Loads of info.


http://www.gujaratriots.com/index.php/2 ... ine-one-2/



Myth 20: Zakia Jafri’s complaint against Narendra Modi is a genuine one


FACT: First thing to be noted is that Zakia Jafri did not make any complaint against Narendra Modi at all, for as many as 4 years after the 2002 riots, i.e. until 2006! In this time, she made statements before the police, the Nanavati Commission, filed affidavits in the courts as well and never once made any complaint against Narendra Modi! It is only after 2006 that she began speaking against Modi, perhaps tutored by some influential ‘activists’ when they saw this as a chance to frame and crucify the biggest fish!


Zakia’s complaint also says that the then Chief Secretary Subba Rao participated in the February 27 (2002) night meeting in which it alleged Chief Minister gave orders to officers to direct law enforcement agencies to allow Hindus to give vent to their feelings in reaction to Godhra carnage. But the fact is Subba Rao was on leave on that day and instead of him it was acting Chief Secretary SK Varma who participated in the meeting. This blunder has been made by many Narendra Modi-baiters, such as weekly Outlook in its article dated 3 June 2002 trying to nail Modi forcibly. Obviously, Zakia Jafri engaged some people to do some search and make allegations. This single blunder is enough to see through the claims of people like Zakia Jafri and magazines like Outlook.


Also note that Ehsan Jafri fired on the Hindu crowd outside his house in self-defense on 28 Feb 2002. This was reported by The Times of India online on 28 Feb and also in weekly India Today dated 18 March 2002 and also on 5 April 2010. It is a well established fact that Jafri fired on the Hindu crowd in self-defense. But Zakia Jafri denied even this basic fact as reported by weekly India Today dated 18 March 2002. That is, in its 18 March 2002 issue India Today reported that “Zakia Jafri denies that Ehsan Jafri fired on the mob”. We quote from Times of India online edition 28 Feb night at 9:47 PM “Meanwhile fire tenders which rushed to the spot were turned back by the irate mob which disallowed the Ahmedabad fire brigade (AFB) personnel and the district police from rushing to rescue…Sources in Congress Party said that the former MP after waiting in vain till 12.30 pm for official help to arrive had opened fire on the mob in self-defense, injuring four..”.
Zakia Jafri also has not bothered to mention the following facts:
1- The then Ahmedabad Police Commissioner P C Pandey visited Jafri’s house at around 10 AM (as admitted by one Muslim survivor of this incident in an interview to Human Rights Watch) and offered safety passage to Jafri which he refused.
2- Ehsan Jafri fired on the crowd in self-defense. Whether he should have done so or not is a matter of debate, but this act drove the crowd mad and it resolved to kill him, and was willing to lose a few lives.
3- Reinforcements did arrive (as reported by weekly India Today dated 18 March 2002) but by that time the mob had swelled to 10,000. Zakia Jafri herself said as reported by weekly India Today dated 18 March 2002 that “She had never seen such a huge mob”.
4- Though the police were overwhelmingly outnumbered and the mob did not allow the police and the fire brigade to enter Jafri’s house (as reported by Times of India in its online edition on 28 February) the police bravely fired on the crowd at a great risk to personal life and shot dead 5 Hindus outside his house and injured many others, as reported by Times of India and India Today. False claim on Ehsan Jafri calling Modi has also been made when so such call was made, this claim too has been comprehensively debunked by us in Myth 11.
5- Police saved 180 Muslims in this episode since there were 250 people inside the house and the mob killed 68 –after all missing were declared dead- though they were overwhelmingly outnumbered.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby disha » 31 Mar 2013 05:16

RamaY wrote:http://www.firstpost.com/politics/govt-wants-plum-post-retirement-post-for-nia-chief-bjp-says-no-679753.html
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But the one instance when the BJP had the government on the mat was over the appointment of PJ Thomas as the Central Vigilance Commissioner in 2010. Sushma Swaraj had opposed his appointment when his name was proposed by the Prime Minister and the then Home Minister P Chidambaram, but the government still went ahead with his appointment. Despite Swaraj writing a note of dissent, the government’s asserted its executive supremacy. Finally the appointment struck down by the Supreme Court.

The controversy only came to a close after the Prime Minister said he accepted responsibility for the appointment of Thomas and that he respected the Supreme Court’s judgement invalidating Thomas’ appointment. After the PM’s statement, Swaraj had tweeted, “I appreciate the statement of the PM owning responsibility…I think this is enough, let matters rest at this and we move forward.”{this is most intriguing aspect of UPA. Often it is BJP which saved MMS}

However, many in her party had then not agreed with Swaraj’s decision to give a quiet burial to an issue gave, which could have been used against the Manmohan Singh-led government over the issue of probity.
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I am just a weekend warrior, so please take my observations as one.

In this game of shadows and mirrors, sometimes if your opponent is doing everything to hang themselves, the most prudent choice is to give them a long rope. This is what Sushma did as leader of opposition. Also wheels within wheels indicate that you leave some wars unfinished, since CVC was not the only appointment. Now the government has to think twice before appointing somebody without taking opposition into cognisance. Whether they like it or not GOI has to work with opposition now.

So in the above situation, there is nothing cut and dry. Since the GOI continued, everybody now knows what a mess they brought this country into. Particularly, if the GOI was made to live for the "TheekHai" statement, that itself I consider was masterstroke!

At this stage, everybody should be giving a very long rope to CongIs, and yank it at the right time. Elections in November is a good time - give it the shape of mid-term election (the government with all its current coalition partners could not even commit its full term - and that is the coalition Nitish wants to join - good luck to them!) and let it bumble till then.

Again announcing the candidature of Modi as PM now will be painting a target on him. He should be talking about Gujarat's development. CBN should be talking about how to bring Gujarat's development into AP (believe me, lot of people from Guntur will be interested in that - having worked in the textile factories of Surat). Naveen Patnaik should let his leftenants (lieutenants) talk about doing the right things.

As Gastapo Babe (Sagarika Ghose) says "The whole thing is" the anti-congi votes should be consolidated.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby disha » 31 Mar 2013 05:32

^^^ Vijayk et al,

Check this out http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/Inhuman+rights/1/89840.html

From the above story:

The SIT is reinvestigating the cases under the virtual supervision of the apex court, with even the judges and public prosecutors being selected under the SC's monitoring.
As the SIT goes about its task, more and more evidence is surfacing that the human rights lobby had, in many cases, spun macabre stories of rape and brutal killings by tutoring witnesses before the SC. In the process, it might have played a significant role in misleading the SC to suit its political objectives against Modi and his government.
Last week, one of the most horrible examples of cruelty resurfaced once again as the trial of the Naroda Patiya case, where 94 persons were killed, began in the SC-monitored special court in Ahmedabad. Soon after the riots, the human rights activists and the Muslim witnesses had alleged that a pregnant woman Kausarbanu's womb was ripped open by rioters and the foetus was flung out at the point of a sword. The gruesome incident was seen as the worst-possible example of medieval vandalism in the modern age.

The wait for justice for Gujarat's riot victims is still not over. Last week, eight years after the alleged incident, Dr J.S. Kanoria, who conducted the post-mortem on Kausarbanu's body on March 2, 2002, denied that any such incident had ever happened. Instead, he told the court: "After the post-mortem, I found that her foetus was intact and that she had died of burns suffered during the riot." Later Kanoria, 40, told INDIA TODAY, "I have told the court what I had already written in my post-mortem report eight years ago. The press should have checked the report before believing that her womb was ripped open. As far as I remember, I did her post-mortem at noon on March 2, 2002."
A careful study of the three police complaints, claiming that Kausarbanu's womb was ripped open by the rioters, shows several loopholes. While one complaint accuses Guddu Chara, one of the main accused in the Naroda Patiya case, of ripping open Kausarbanu's womb, extracting her foetus and flinging it with a sword; another complaint accuses Babu Bajrangi, yet another accused in the case, of doing the act. A third complaint, on the other hand, does not name the accused but describes the alleged act.


Now it was Arundhoti Roy who gave vent to that story (the Human Rights Industry's vultures found the sad and unfortunate death of the lady useful!) in Outlook. When Gujarat police sought out Dhoti Roy for information to FIR, she alleged police brutality! Outlook later published her "apology" for twisting facts and later removed it from its web site. In fact, it was also removed from wikipedia and other sources.

So all in all, it was the iHRI (inHuman Rights Industry) which gave air to such a gruesomeness. Again the iHRI and their proponents are communal.

And justice delayed is justice denied. All the cases were re-investigated by SIT at the cost of the Gujarat government and this same crooks will bemoan the delay in justice. AakThoo# Disgusting. And particularly disgusting when the supporters of the iHRI walk in and dump their half-baked opinions.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby Sushupti » 31 Mar 2013 05:41

Modi to join top BJP body

The counter argument, which came largely from L.K. Advani, was that the BJP’s other chief ministers, notably Madhya Pradesh’s Shivraj Singh Chauhan, were as “successful” and “popular” as Modi was and could therefore legitimately claim a place on the board, a source said.

An Advani aide has consistently argued that the party constitution allows no place for a state leader on the parliamentary board, but actually it has no such provision.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130331/j ... VeDjRe7IR1


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