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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby krishnan » 09 Dec 2013 21:05

not sure why congi think that declaring Nandan Nilekani as PM candidate will help them

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Postby Shanmukh » 09 Dec 2013 21:07

krishnan wrote:not sure why congi think that declaring Nandan Nilekani as PM candidate will help them


Is Nandan Nilekani dumb enough to become PM in this situation? I can see a lot of borderline people refusing to contest on Congress symbol.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Dec 2013 21:08

Karan M wrote:Kejriwal has responded. As usual calling the BJP, INC==, corrupt and that he wants a reelection and some personal jibes at Jaitley. Either ways that is good, because their nuisance will be limited to delhi for 2014.

That is what I was thinking .. Tie them up in Delhi .. If BJP is confident of its core base then it has nothing to lose but a lot to gain.

AAP on the other-hand will have to at least repeat the current numbers to be relevant else they will fizzle out.

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Postby RoyG » 09 Dec 2013 21:10

Congress is going to be very dangerous starting from this point. They are like a rabid dog trapped in the corner. Where are the crooks supposed to go? Who will shield such characters? I predict that they will make one last move against Modi and then the sprint to the airport will begin.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Dec 2013 21:10

http://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/bjp-challenges-aap-to-form-govt-fulfil-unrealistic-promises-113120901049_1.html
Slamming the Aam Aadmi Party (AAP) for making "unrealistic promises" during elections in Delhi, BJP today challenged it to form a government with Congress support instead of avoiding power and fulfil its "exaggerated and unimplementable" manifesto.

On his latest Facebook posting, Leader of the Opposition in Rajya Sabha Arun Jaitley sought to know if the AAP is merely a "freak phenomenon" or will be a lasting experiment. He said no clear answers could be given at the moment.

"This party is unconventional. It has attempted to exploit the general mood of cynicism. It has made unrealistic promises and does not want to sit in a position of responsibility where it has to walk its talk," Jaitley said.

AAP's impressive performance in the Delhi elections came as a surprise to BJP and the Congress. It emerged as the second largest party with 28 seats in the 70-member Assembly. BJP got 31 and its ally SAD won one seat.

"The very suggestion of being in the government to implement its policy and promises appears to be scary for this party. In a democracy, the voters vote in order to elect the government," Jaitley said.

Throwing a challenge to AAP and Congress, he said in the absence of clear majorities, forming a government is the art of the possible and Congress can extend its outside support to the AAP.

"In power, such a party (AAP) would be like a fish out of water. It is possible to make exaggerated promises, and capture the imagination of a few by making unimplementable promises. The strategy of the party is to avoid power rather than be in a position to implement the unimplementable," Jaitley said.

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Postby member_28131 » 09 Dec 2013 21:12

^ This is awesome. I really want to see AAP form a government now and fail to fulfill its unrealistic promises. Jaitley is a smart man.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Dec 2013 21:13

I wan't them cut electricity bill by 50% as promised.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Klaus » 09 Dec 2013 21:15

Apparently K'taka CM having a round of tense arguments with Maino in Delhi, on governor HG Bharadwaj. The faultlines in K'taka INC just gets wider by the day.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Dec 2013 21:16

There was a story about a rikshawalla offering Farzi his days earning as his contribution towards the fight for the Aam Admi. Right time for folks on teetar and FB to ask Farzi what is is going to do for that Rikshawalla now that Farzi has power to form the Delhi government.

Make his supports squirm.

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Postby pankajs » 09 Dec 2013 21:23

Chhattisgarh polls: SCs, STs split in backing BJP, Cong
Unlike previous Assembly elections, Scheduled Caste voters drifted largely towards BJP this time despite the Raman Singh government pruning their reservation quota.

Contrary to speculations that SCs will support Congress, which is desperately seeking a comeback and thwarting of Raman Singh's dream run for the third consecutive term, the BJP bagged 9 out of 10 SC seats, leaving just one for it rival.

In 2008, BJP had won five out of 10 SC seats and Congress four, while Pamgarh constituency was pocketed by Mayawati's BSP.

The results stunned Congress as it had promised in its poll manifesto to restore the SC quota to 16% from the current 12 % under Raman Singh rule if voted to power.

Not only this but the community, which constitutes 12 per cent of the state's population of 2.5 crore, also jettisoned its prominent leaders Haridas Bhardwaj and Shivkumar Dahariya.

Ten out of 90 assembly seats are reserved for SCs.

According to political observers, BJP's development scheme and overall record of good governance helped it in weaning away SCs from Congress this time.

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Postby RajeshA » 09 Dec 2013 21:29

My new blog post: Aam Aadmi Party – The other bank

Mainstream Media in Delhi knows how to give coverage to its heroes. It is end to end, early morning to midnight, full coverage to the media darling Arvind Kejriwal.

In order to explain what Aam Aadmi Party is, let’s take two examples.

Let’s say a wealthy family owns a big bank. The bank has been stealing people’s money for a long time, and this time the people are so angry, they are willing to break down the gates of the bank and rob it and then burn it down. Now the wealthy family knows its time is limited, what would they do. They would set up a new bank on the sly and transfer all its assets over there. Then they let the wrath of the people fall on the empty bank building, who tear it down and feel the satisfaction of doing so. The people also cheer the success of the new bank which often criticized the practices and attitude of the old bank.

So what happened? A successful transfer of bank assets is what happened.

Or one can take another example. Let’s say there is a kingdom with a Queen and her people are very angry with her. She knows that one of these days the people would just ransack the castle and behead her. If somebody comes to save her, they would tear him down as well. So she sets up a new kingdom some distance away with a castle and everything. Then she orders the army of the new kingdom to attack her present castle, to apparently rob it, ransack it and take her captive and with the booty and the Queen leave for the new kingdom. The people cheer on the army of a different kingdom finishing off the evil Queen.

So what happened? A successful transfer of the treasury is what happened.

And that is all there is to understand about the Aam Aadmi Party. Sonia Gandhi and her foreign partners own Aam Aadmi Party. Arvind Kejriwal is simply the bank manager of the family’s new bank to which all its political assets would be transferred – vote banks, political friends, goodwill, external network, media loyalties, etc. In 2009 Congress won the vote of the urban middle class mostly based on the goodwill for Dr. Manmohan Singh and his role in concluding the Indo-US nuclear deal. In Delhi Elections, Congress has succeeded in transferring much of this middle class vote over to AAP. Sonia Gandhi’s bank manager Arvind Kejriwal has shown the capability to successfully hoodwink the public to think it is a different bank standing in competition to Sonia Gandhi’s Congress bank. Those backroom media handlers who worked for Congress now work for AAP, which is manpower transfer.

Now taking the other analogy, Arvind Kejriwal has played the role of the captain of the army of the second kingdom, who has apparently declared war on the castle of the Queen, come and robbed her of the assembly seats she possessed earlier. And as we know, Arvind Kejriwal has also started “plundering” Congress’s other vote-bank – the Muslim vote-bank. Again a successful transfer, a transfer of power from Congress to AAP.

The Queen does not want to live in the old castle. People, including the Queen, have been defecating in it for so long it stinks all around. Congress stinks and Queen Sonia knows it all too well but her ministers would not let her go out. Arvind Kejriwal is a means to exit for her.

Arvind Kejriwal’s AAP is not Congress’s B Team which is the conspiracy people usually fall for. AAP is Sonia Gandhi’s other kingdom, and she is willing to let her Congress house burn up and crumble, as long as the transfer to new pastures is successful and no constable would come and arrest her for her misdeeds.

As far as Congress Mukt Bharat is concerned, Narendra Modi and Sonia Gandhi’s dream are the same, except that Narendra Modi does not just want to finish off the carcass of a Congress, but to finish off the whole Congress culture and gravy train, and make people pay.


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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby CRamS » 09 Dec 2013 21:42

Guys, more is more on the Economist rag and Modi:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2 ... ults-india

And this is how the low lives look at Modi


In particular, the rush of success for the BJP under Mr Modi suggests that many Indian voters do not consider him to be toxic as a leader, despite his role as chief minister in allowing massacres in Gujarat, early in 2002, when more than 1,000 people died, most of them Muslims.



I know some on BR know some BJP big wigs like Meenakshi RekhiJi and others. Kindly pass this Economist crap to people like her and warn them of the kind of slime b@lls these Economist type low lives are. Sure, they look to places and markets where they can make money and hence they may see Modi as a good prospect in that regard.

But some in in BJP think by sucking up to the west, especially those business friendly, they will get more legitimacy. I've even heard BJP spokesman triumphantly declare on UnDyTV etc that let Modi be PM, and an invitation to the Lincoln room in the white house will be ready. Shameless as though getting invited to Lincoln room is the height of achievement. But they are sadly mistaken. First and foremost the Economist, WSJ etc low lives are hard core Christians with a racist bent of mind. To them, there is no difference between Jihadis and Hindus in their minds. They may sing a few words of praise for Modi, but let nobody mistake that for their true colors.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 09 Dec 2013 21:45

CPI(M) blames Congress for its loss in Rajasthan
Unable to open its scorecard in Rajasthan where it had picked up three seats in the 2008 Assembly elections, the Communist Party of India (Marxist) on Monday blamed the Congress for its wipe-out in the State.

Analysing the Assembly election results, the Polit Bureau said in a statement: “In Rajasthan, the people’s determination to get rid of the Congress government has led to a sweep for the BJP. This has adversely affected the prospects of the CPI(M). It has led to a disappointing result with the party losing its three sitting seats.”

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Speaking about the four Assembly election results, the CPI(M) noted that the Congress had suffered a major defeat. “The defeat is more resounding as the Congress could not dislodge the BJP from the governments in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh, where the latter has been in power for 10 years.”

This is what happens when you truly turn toxic. The absolute smash in Rajasthan is in its own league. I am not belittling BJP's achievement in other states.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby rohitvats » 09 Dec 2013 21:50

Interesting snippet:

NDTV carried report on the low income strata people residing in the area around former CM SD's house where other state and central ministers reside. Rahul Gandhi also resides in the area.

The respondents gave frank feedback saying they voted AAP because there has been no improvement in their lot under Congress. But interestingly, the same people said and I paraphrase, " Is desh mein Narendra Modi ka aana bahut zaroori hai.' (meaning - it is important for this nation fir NM to become PM).

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Postby nachiket » 09 Dec 2013 21:53

rohitvats wrote:Interesting snippet:

NDTV carried report on the low income strata people residing in the area around former CM SD's house where other state and central ministers reside. Rahul Gandhi also resides in the area.

The respondents gave frank feedback saying they voted AAP because there has been no improvement in their lot under Congress. But interestingly, the same people said and I paraphrase, " Is desh mein Narendra Modi ka aana bahut zaroori hai.' (meaning - it is important for this nation fir NM to become PM).

Pranoy Roy mentioned this when he was talking with some Congress, BJP and AAP people. The AAP guy (I think it was Yogendra Yadav) acknowledged that the people did not see the AAP as an alternative on the national scene and thought BJP was the only option against Congress. Of course he followed that up with "Things will change now because of great showing by AAP in Delhi".

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Postby sudarshan » 09 Dec 2013 21:56

For the record - Cong gets absolute majority in Mizoram.

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Postby RoyG » 09 Dec 2013 22:02

sudarshan wrote:For the record - Cong gets absolute majority in Mizoram.


Give us this day our daily bread,: and forgive us our debts,: as we also have forgiven.... :lol:

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby RajeshA » 09 Dec 2013 22:08

In this election, people of Delhi were angry and they wanted to punish Congress and all the corrupt. It was a "Hulk Smaaaash". The rage needed an outlet. Aam Aadmi Party allowed an outlet for this rage.

Arvind Kejriwal had himself painted Sheila Dixit as the face of this corruption, whom he set out to destroy. Dilliwallahs bought the message and gave their blessings to Arvind Kejriwal to go storm the fortress.

The Sheilasura is dead! Long Live Hazrat Kejriwal! People happy-happy!

So what does a second round of elections mean for Delhi? It means that the Delhi elections can't be fought on anti-corruption anymore or at least not completely anymore. People want to know how the story moves ahead. They want their problems solved. Kejriwal is declining to take up the responsibility as CM. So people are indeed going to ask what use it is to vote for Kejriwal? If they vote for him again, the situation may end up the same!

If there are re-elections, the issues are going to be governance and development of Delhi and they would be fought between BJP and AAP.

And there HazratKejriwal would have no answer. Freebies are not the answer to governance and development. So Kejriwal does not really know what to do now! If he takes Congress help to form government, he can't use his anti-corruption crusader credentials in Lok Sabha elections that effectively. If he becomes CM, he would have to deliver and he wouldn't know how! Without Congress help, Kejriwal can't form government. And new elections would mean BJP stomping home to victory!

He can't use much of anti-corruption rhetoric against BJP either because more Delhites put their trust in BJP just now and that would be slapping those voters. Against Dr. Harshvardhan he would have a hard time anyway, regardless of whether MSM is on his side or not.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Rahul M » 09 Dec 2013 22:13

kapilrdave wrote:
Rahul M wrote:he was thrown out because they felt he was pushing govt position in negotiations. what did you expect them to do ? conduct thorough character antecedent checks through police and IB ? who are they ? GOI ?

they accepted help from people who claimed they wanted to and when they doubted the loyalty of one he was kicked out.
your point being ?

My point is that he is a dishonest man. Tomorrow if you start a agitation, would you allow people like teesta setalwad, A Roy anywhere around you even if they support your idea? He keeps blind eye for the people who support him. And to get the larger support base he ditched RSS even though it was RSS which made his agitation a huge success. He was explained multiple times that his version of janlokpal is a silly idea but he wouldn't listen. Perhaps purposely. He is much like MKG who has no clue of what he is doing but wants people's attention anyhow. Simply put, A useful idiot.

well then you are wrong. also, decide if he is dishonest or useful idiot. can't be both as useful idiot assumes person is not aware that he is being used.

you are assuming a level of awareness about individuals that simply do not exist in 99.999% of the people. most people don't know the details about agnivesh and assume he is just a politically aware sadhu. even perfectly well meaning people have very little knowledge about who their friends are. to them bbc is the patron saint of unbiased journalism and everyone who speaks about India genuinely means it. how do you explain modi giving interview to that virulently anti-India rag economist ?

as shri shri napoleon bonaparte said "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Rahul M » 09 Dec 2013 22:14

muraliravi wrote:
Rahul M wrote:@muraliravi, I just know what I know from people involved. facts on the ground support what I've learnt. that's good enough for me.
it's up to you to believe or not. I can't make you believe something.

if AH was really playing for cong, how do you explain the anti-cong wave, esp in delhi ? much of which is due directly to his movement ?
of course he might have a soft corner for kejriwal because he supported him at that juncture. IMO it's better not to see the world in black and whites.


@kapil, agnivesh was also thrown out of the movement if you remember.


Sir, I will dig out more details for you. But here is one data point, NDTV survey in early 2011 before Anna movement got much coverage showed BJP sweeping delhi with 6 LS seats of the 7. It was only after this junk movement, surveys started giving BJP 4 / 7. So probably congress saw that they were going to lose in delhi anyway, so they thought, lets try and split opposition vote, but things got out of hand and AAP saw chance of them coming to power themselves

AH != AAP

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Postby sudarshan » 09 Dec 2013 22:16

Kejriwal is in an unenviable situation. He must have figured that he'd get 15 to 20 seats and then sit in the opposition and do his shrill rants. Being this uncomfortably close to forming the government must be a nightmare scenario for him.

His best course is to stall and hope for reelections. Not to actually win the reelections either - then he'd have to deliver in Delhi. A carefully calibrated victory in just enough seats to make trouble, not too little to lose relevance (after that stunning 27 seat win, anything below 20 will be interpreted as "losing the magic"), and certainly not more than 25 again.

How carefully can a party calibrate its seat tally to lie between 20 and 25? It would be an interesting experiment in Indian politics. And if he does that, what then - one more hung assembly, and one more reelection after that?

Rough seas ahead for AAP in Delhi.

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Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 22:22

vivek.rao, mahul r,

Holy Macroni!!!
Send it to Huffington post!!!!

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Postby abhik » 09 Dec 2013 22:35

Telangana row: 6 Cong MPs, TDP, YSRCP move for no-confidence
Is it possible that the UPA falls before completing its term? As per above 11 MP including 6 Congi ones have moved for a no trust motion. So officially UPA+ is at 269. With the mood of the nation being anti-congress its quite unlikely that any other parties will be much inclined to support the UPA. If Mayawati ditches the congies, their fate will be sealed.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Prem » 09 Dec 2013 22:41

krishnan wrote:not sure why congi think that declaring Nandan Nilekani as PM candidate will help them

Thye might rope in Azim Premji instead of Nandan whose body language is worst than Jindal.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby SaiK » 09 Dec 2013 22:45

Jhujar wrote:
krishnan wrote:not sure why congi think that declaring Nandan Nilekani as PM candidate will help them

Thye might rope in Azim Premji instead of Nandan whose body language is worst than Jindal.

so uidai can provision some illegal votes? identity mastering system@!!!

aadhar hai!
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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby nachiket » 09 Dec 2013 22:47

abhik wrote: If Mayawati ditches the congies, their fate will be sealed.

Mayawati can be threatened with consequences, namely the CBI.

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Postby member_20317 » 09 Dec 2013 22:50

sorry wrong words.
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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby kapilrdave » 09 Dec 2013 22:51

Rahul M wrote:well then you are wrong. also, decide if he is dishonest or useful idiot. can't be both as useful idiot assumes person is not aware that he is being used.

How am I wrong? Why can't one be dishonest and useful idiot at the same time? He ditches very organization he comes from for petty gains of popularity in media. He doesn't mind removing bharatmata's poster from his stage for that also. That's why he is dishonest. I would add one more adjective for that - hypocrite. And yes he is useful idiot too because while performing his silly antics he is (probably) not aware that he has been and is being used.

Rahul M wrote:you are assuming a level of awareness about individuals that simply do not exist in 99.999% of the people. most people don't know the details about agnivesh and assume he is just a politically aware sadhu. even perfectly well meaning people have very little knowledge about who their friends are. to them bbc is the patron saint of unbiased journalism and everyone who speaks about India genuinely means it. how do you explain modi giving interview to that virulently anti-India rag economist ?

Well then he better be among the rest of 0.001% people. Because 99.999% don't do anti corruption agitation (or any agitation for that matter) against governments and politicians. He is an activist and is in public life. Normal people's rule do not apply to him. I again ask you the same question with slight change. Tomorrow if you start an agitation, even a small scale one, would you let people like agnivesh and prashant bhushan come anywhere near you even if they support your idea?

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Prem » 09 Dec 2013 22:59

http://www.fakingnews.firstpost.com/201 ... bel-prize/
Scientist explains ‘missing’ Modi wave, gets Nobel prizePublished on New
Delhi. Eminent Indian physicist Dr. N.C.R Rao has been conferred the Nobel Prize for Physics for his path-breaking research on the properties of “Modi wave”.In his paper submitted to the Nobel committee, a copy of which is available with Faking News, Dr. Rao has established that Narendra Modi, like light, has dual nature and acts as both a particle and a wave.
Unconfirmed sources have suggested that Dr Rao was selected for the prestigious award by the same panel that had given the Nobel Peace prize to Barack Obama in 2009.I was intrigued by the Congress spokespersons on TV who said they did not see any Modi wave in-spite of the BJP winning 3 of the 4 Assembly Elections and emerging as the single largest party in the other,” Dr Rao told Faking News, “So, I requested my friend, Yogendra Yadav, for raw data of the elections and began running simulations to explain this strange phenomenon.”
“While several of my initial experiments were inconclusive, I stumbled upon this idea while streaming episodes of The Big Bang Theory on YouTube during my lunch break,” added Dr Rao.
Spurred on by this lucky break, he spent the next few weeks confined to his lab and finally emerged with experimental results and mathematical proof validating his theory.Dr. Rao addressed the media at this office yesterday and said, “The Congress leaders have lost touch with the present and are stuck in the outdated wave theory. Therefore, they could not detect the Modi particles which were present in abundant quantities all around them.”

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Rahul M » 09 Dec 2013 23:05

kapil, by your exacting standards there is precisely 0 worthy human being in India.

as I am trying to point out,
a) that standard does not exist in real life
b) everyone that doesn't match up to your arbitrary standard does not automatically become a crook
c) you need to cut some slack to people for honest mistakes. blame them for what mistakes they committed and no more. don't blame them for acts of omission or commission you think they committed pursuant to some motives you think they have

I am pointing this out because I know the amount of khujli he caused in cong circles (irrespective of what opinion polls might say. they said a lot in 2009 and 2004 too, none of which worked) and the immense pressure that the govt in turn put on the agencies. for a certain amount of time this was comparable to what they devoted to modi.

these are facts I am aware of, not opinions, not conjectures. and that makes me sanguine about why you are wrong about AH. irrespective of what newspaper articles you present, like I said earlier, I know what I know.
my last post on this.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 09 Dec 2013 23:17

India Today ‏@IndiaToday 1m

#Polls2013 Modi wave? After Dec 8, Tamil Nadu satraps inching towards BJP http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/asse ... 28640.html
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See who is toxic now

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Postby Shanmukh » 09 Dec 2013 23:30

pankajs wrote:India Today ‏@IndiaToday 1m

#Polls2013 Modi wave? After Dec 8, Tamil Nadu satraps inching towards BJP http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/asse ... 28640.html
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I really hope that the BJP does not go with DMK. It would be disastrous for the image of the BJP to go with the DMK, given its huge history of obnoxious scandals. In fact, it would be the perfect opportunity for the AAP to trash the BJP, and there will be truth to the statement that BJP==Congress, if it pursues the opportunism inherent in the proposed alliance with the DMK. In fact, if there has to be an alliance, I would prefer a BJP-MDMK alliance (MDMK is notorious for whipping up Tamil sentiments, but does it have a history of scandals?) PMK is not exactly kosher either. Ambumani Ramadoss is notorious for his provocative escapades. Vijayakanth is hyper arrogant, but AFAIK, not corrupt (although, that is probably a case of chastity being lack of opportunity). So maybe, just a BJP-MDMK or BJP-MDMK-DMDK alliance.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 09 Dec 2013 23:36

^^
Saar I have no idea of tamil politics beyond DMK and AIADMK .. I just wanted to point out that suddenly Modi has become kosher and CON toxic after 4-0 to BJP.

Hope BJP makes the correct call.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Muppalla » 09 Dec 2013 23:42

I do not think Anna Hazare is some compromised individual or a plant of Congress. He is doing his biz in his own way and he was doing this for over two decades. He has his own arrogant and not so practical solutions from 1800s. That is all regarding him. As he is a Gandhian socialist, they believe in certain rigid ideas and not anti-national-sold-out stuff.

For the virulently anti-national leftists, Gandhians are always a good platform to get common people on their side. The lower middle classes or poor classes cannot read the agenda based folks as they look at solutions that looks glamorous. All they see is someone easily making money while they are struggling to make their ends. The commoners just fall for slogans like "the land belongs who till it etc" from Naxals.

For the INC, Naxals, IM/SIMI are always armed wings of their extended cadre. Sonia is the first to bring this extended circle into top ring in the form of NAC. Indira and others know where to limit them and how much to use them. one should read and re-read Rudradev's very good post from past regarding AK and NAC.

The county is reeling with anger against UPA at the end of Commonwealth scam and 2G scam. The anti-incumbency will put a lot of votes to BJP and others who are purely anti-congress in India. The west is very hesitant to see another nationalist government from India especially when the entire west is reeling on edges of economic downturn. Orange revolutions are in full swing.

The best thing is to package this anger into some thing that will not directly help another ABV style government and another Nuke Test and other growth oriented stuff that puts another competitor like China. The culmination of all these interests sent AK packaged to AH. AH took everyone, AK, VKS, KB and some naxal baba (forgot name). Once sent, the rest is orchestrated using the media and money.

BJP with the help of Ramdev Baba helped in showing the duplicity of this anti-corruption movement where they hate to say Vandemataram, Bharat mata ki jai and show portion of JK not in India etc. The counter strategy has thrown INC a bit off guard.

The real thing is that the anger has to vote not to BJP and that agenda still survived in Delhi which culminated to AAP winning. Point to note, after AK left AH, the fast of AH did not get more than 2000 folks. No one cared him too.

This is the example that we have seen infront of us. Not everything is CT as we can see how a thing can be orchestrated and also succeed. It succeeded in Delhi and it may not succeed in other places. However, Delhi is very important because there are several skeleton in Delhi's cupboard. The best that INC wants is either a Governor's rule or an AAP government.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Muppalla » 09 Dec 2013 23:45

nageshks wrote:
pankajs wrote:India Today ‏@IndiaToday 1m

#Polls2013 Modi wave? After Dec 8, Tamil Nadu satraps inching towards BJP http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/asse ... 28640.html
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I really hope that the BJP does not go with DMK. It would be disastrous for the image of the BJP to go with the DMK, given its huge history of obnoxious scandals. In fact, it would be the perfect opportunity for the AAP to trash the BJP, and there will be truth to the statement that BJP==Congress, if it pursues the opportunism inherent in the proposed alliance with the DMK. In fact, if there has to be an alliance, I would prefer a BJP-MDMK alliance (MDMK is notorious for whipping up Tamil sentiments, but does it have a history of scandals?) PMK is not exactly kosher either. Ambumani Ramadoss is notorious for his provocative escapades. Vijayakanth is hyper arrogant, but AFAIK, not corrupt (although, that is probably a case of chastity being lack of opportunity). So maybe, just a BJP-MDMK or BJP-MDMK-DMDK alliance.


As Rudradev has rightly called at right time that IT is becoming very anti-BJP, take the above with a pinch of salt. They are orchestrating a web for BJP and their supporters to put pressure. The reality is that ADMK+BJP will kill UPA to smithereens. Even with BJP not contesting, UPA will go to smithereens.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby sudarshan » 09 Dec 2013 23:47

Is the Hindu Munnani a political force in TN? If so, some reaching out from the BJP would be in order. Unless the Hindu Munnani *is* the Tamil face of the BJP, of course.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Shanmukh » 10 Dec 2013 00:03

Muppalla wrote:As Rudradev has rightly called at right time that IT is becoming very anti-BJP, take the above with a pinch of salt. They are orchestrating a web for BJP and their supporters to put pressure. The reality is that ADMK+BJP will kill UPA to smithereens. Even with BJP not contesting, UPA will go to smithereens.

Muppalla-garu,
I do not think the AIADMK will play ball with the BJP. JJ is nursing PM ambitions (she hopes to lead the Third Front). She is sure of winning the majority of the seats in TN without any alliance. Consequently, the BJP's only hope of alliance in TN is with MDMK, PMK, and (if that IT article is true), DMK. DMDK is playing its cards very close to the chest.

My reading of the situation is that, if the BJP and the MDMK go together, they have a very good chance in Virudhnagar and Kanyakumari, and make a strong impact in another 3-4 seats in southern TN, and also in places like Coimbatore, etc. What they really need for the whole thing to take off is support from Rajanikanth joining the BJP or at least appealing to his supporters to vote for the BJP.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ramana » 10 Dec 2013 00:05

Now that the results are in can we go back and see which of the polls weere correct and whcih were for creating and shaping opinion?

This will become important as the General Elections in 2014 approach.


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