Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 17 Jan 2014 21:41

RamaY on AAP and analogy to Saindhava:

http://bharata-bhuti.blogspot.com/2014/ ... alled.html

Saindhava of Delhi State Elections!
The great itihasa Mahabharata is called 'The Mind of India". No wonder it continues to offer clues, patterns and insight into the Socio-Political dynamics of India irrespective of what era the reader belongs to.

Latest Delhi elections reminded me a story in Mahabharata. This is the story of one Jayadradha and his boons. Delhi has a very high symbolic value in Indian politics. It being capital of the nation is only part of its value proposition. Its role in Indian history (irrespective of however much secularists want us to believe that India did not exist before 1947) is the real symbolic value in Indian psyche. That is why Delhi deserved a Padmavyuha by enemies of Modi. They have to choose a place where they can make him visit less or not at all (remember, Padmavyuha doesn't work against Arjuna). Once the location of Padmavyuha is decided, all players came into positions as dictated by Destiny (of this nation)

Players of modern Padmavyuha -
Abhimanyu = Harshavardhan; Arjuna = Modi; Pandavas = D4; Saindhava = Kejriwal

Now that Saindhava has his day of fame, the real puzzle is to find how to solve him from the game? For this we need to go to his father and make sure that the father himself throws Saindhava's to dustbin of history and get self-destroyed in the process.

That is why it is very important for Pandava side to keep the pressure on Saindhava and even use an apaddharmic eclipse if needed. By the way don't forget to use Pasupatha (social media?) to send Saindhava's head to his daddy's lap.

Dharmo Rakshati Rakshita:
Posted by RamaY at 9:55 PM

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 17 Jan 2014 21:41

Sunanda Pushkar sent a message to Barkha Dutt at 04:00 am today saying she wanted to speak more to the media

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 17 Jan 2014 21:44

The Indian Express ‏@IndianExpress 1m

BREAKING NOW: It was Shashi Tharoor who informed Delhi Police of wife Sunanda's death. http://iexp.in/XKl59104
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Just after the tweet war .. sounds suspicious.

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 17 Jan 2014 21:48

Shashi Tharoor might b the ISI mole<Honeybee> Foreign Journo was talking abt in 26/11 book. Guess his wife Sunanda Pushkar knew a lot.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 17 Jan 2014 21:50

Cant understand why they are giving Suhel Seth so much coverage.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Jan 2014 21:51

lot of development have happened in the last few days since I actively logged on, managed to qucikly read a lot of posts meanwhile.

It is still going to be congis vs NaMo elections despite whetever happens to AAP.

This only shows a third way to the folks- it is either naMo way or congis or the AAp way.
aap way falling by wayside which should be the goal fancied by congis. Beetr to show it in poor light and amke people yearn for a return of congis.
In this way all paap of congis goes AAP way and anger of people dissipated.
But the fly in the ointment is Delhi elections came in the way too early. If it was clubbed with GE2014 may be AAp would have turned giant killer at least in stopping NaMo juggernaut.

congis gameplan has always been if it is not congis then something bad than congis but never NaMo at any cost,

similar parallels in the past too- the core of congis need to survive which is possible with AAp or 3/4th fronts but not NaMO.

For the congis and AIF , NaMo is the deadly foe which needs to be uprooted from India.

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Would say NaMo wll fight the core of congis to the finish.
AAp is like any other astra thrown by congis but seems to have made an impact but delaying the inevitable.

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AAP keep saying that 10000000s are joining them, but they dont say 1000000s are also leaving.
AAP is like a big fair who people throng and only some(usual jhoalwallah /anti BJP/NaMo crowd) buy their kool aid. many just spend time and come out.

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overall with AAP on its mission is making people realise that congis are better. congis supporters are advised to stay put with congis only and not park their careers with AAP.

Major chunk of congis voters will come back to congis in the days/weeks to come..
The hydra headed core of congis is coming back with renewed vigour( from the dumps it was few weeks back in public perception). A new lease of life.
This along with some change of pappu image needs to see if it is sufficient to prevent NaMo gaining PMship.
BJP gets some benefit in that some undecided voters come back to it. core BJP voters are intact, not many have migrated.
Overall a big ++ for congis.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 17 Jan 2014 21:58

prasannasimha wrote:Cant understand why they are giving Suhel Seth so much coverage.

Meghnath Desai is another hanger-on who for no rhyme or reason presents himself in TV debates

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 17 Jan 2014 21:59

^^
It is like hotel california saar......you can check-in any time but you can never leave. AAP is never going to leave you alone once you filled the form. You will be the member for ever.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Jan 2014 22:00

Re:Tharoors Some tweets by Atri ji yesterday.
Hope our other "leaders" take the correct lesson from this sad incident.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Jan 2014 22:04

Re: AAP and Media

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 17 Jan 2014 22:05

Very sad, RIP Mrs Pushkar. She had a young son.

Speaking of which, a woman like this would know her familial responsibilities and would not commit suicide.

member_28352 · Post by **member_28352** » 17 Jan 2014 22:11

Why is GreenPi$$ showing extra attention on Danish woman rape and wanting Khujliwal to implement his agenda? Was this some sort of trailer to Khujliwal? Note that Khujliwal has since then been asking for moving DP to under Delhi state administration. What games are being played? Specifically how is Modiji's security being done?
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 292_1.html

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 17 Jan 2014 22:20

BREAKING BREAKING BREAKING

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/indian-ministe ... ml#KT4Zuf2

SHASHI THAROOR'S WIFE FOUND DEAD

The wife of prominent Indian minister Shashi Tharoor was found dead on Friday in a five-star hotel room after she exposed his alleged adultery with a Pakistani journalist on Twitter, media reports said.

The Press Trust of India, quoting unnamed police sources, said the minister reported his wife's death to police.

It was not immediately known how the minister's wife, Sunanda Pushkar, had died.

TV footage showed an ambulance with flashing blue lights outside the hotel.

Pushkar's death came a day after Tharoor issued what he called a joint statement from the couple saying they were "happily married and intend to remain that way".

The statement added that "Sunanda has been ill and hospitalised this week and is seeking to rest" and asked for the media to respect the couple's privacy.

LakshO · Post by **LakshO** » 17 Jan 2014 22:20

Sagar G wrote:
Altair wrote:I dont want to sound as the most emotionless guy but this is good for NM. He was a threat to NM.
Daydreams......

On teetar numbers/followers, ST could match NaMo. On the ground, there is no comparison between NaMo & ST

From my limited knowledge of Kerala politics, in GE2014, ST has an uphill task cut out to retain Thiruvananthapuram LS constituency.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 17 Jan 2014 22:24

Complaint against Somnath Bharti in Delhi Police Under Section 228A of IPC for disclosure of identity of a rape victim to be lodged tomorrow.
Congrats Denny Crane!!

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 17 Jan 2014 22:25

Mohterma from Pakistan tells HT " Tell her that my Son is very sad" ........look like coded threat.

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 17 Jan 2014 22:32

Vigilate Justice

Vigilantism will strengthen AAP support in middle class across India except Gujarat (*). Thats because middle class is sick of nefarious activities that go around the neighborhood, and it is fact that policemen are hands in gloves with most such activities. AAP Ministers have picked Africans as target, and most people in India consider them involved in criminal activities. Goans also complain against Nigerians. This and vigilanteism will them an image to AAP that "AAP has no-nonsense approach towards criminals and will fix crimes in India within weeks if AK becomes PM". People in India are striving for strong leader. And such heroism impresses such weak minds. To that, add paid-media support.

W need is zoning for commercial sex, drugs etc to reduce nuisance that neighborhoods face.

We also need laws like Right to Recall Police Chief, Jury Sys etc so that policemen dont become corrupt and criminals who break laws do get punished. If that happens, there will be no public demand for vigilante action and so AAP like ruffians get no opportunity to thrive.

(* -- In Gujarat, policemen get tons of money from illegal liquor since 1950s. And so they dont promote nefarious activities in middle class neighborhoods. So in Gujarat, demand for vigilante actions against neighbors is near zero since 1950s. )

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Re : Suciding of Sunanda Pushker

Sunanda has been suicided, most likely because Sunanda was going to reveal dirty secrets of which perhaps she too was part of. And those secrets would also taken her as well to prison, along with hubby. Normally no one would reveal such self incriminating secrets. But sometimes, when a person is ditched in relations, they take such suicidal steps of disclosing all secrets and so suiciding them remains as only option for the counter-party. RIP Sunanda. My sympathies for her tragic suciding. But then, one should never become part of dirty games.

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Must King be chaste?

There is no need to put conditions that "leaders must be langot kaa pakka" i.e. Bhrahmchari or monogamous etc. Such humans never existed and sometimes they can be terrible persons to deal with. West has attained sleaze without crime , and the society is just fine. Sleaze doesnt mean crime. Criminals should be punished. But normal level sleaze is cool.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2014 22:36

SUNANDA PUSHKAR THAROOR IS DEAD.

Her's was a very tempestuous life and may she find solace in her next.

The controversy with Mehr Tehrar and now this.

What did Sunanda know and did not live to tell?

Her many controversies -> http://www.firstpost.com/india/who-is-s ... 43125.html

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 17 Jan 2014 22:43

The IPL scam, Home-secy RK singh's recent comments about dawood and home-ministry, Shashi tharoor's alleged role in Kerala tuskers IPL team and recent twitter spat with Mehr terar and her being ISI honeytrap. Its sad really. I am reminded of Pakistani coach Bob Woolmer who stood up against betting-mafia of dawood, who was similarly found dead in hotel room..

I was suspicious when suddenly last week the whiskey throwing incident of Sunanda was found making circles. Some people tried to involve name of Arnab Goswami in that issue as well.

There was a gradual build-up of her image as someone who is currently emotionally edgy in media. Then the twitter war initially was put under the rug by ST when he said his account was hacked. This too was shot down by Sunanda Pushkar (SP) when she tweeted that she was the one who broke the ST's harrassment by the paki journo.

Later the ISI, etc came out.

this runs deep, I tell ya. I won't be surprised about hawala angle of hasan ali type handlers and ST's dubai trip last week. ST is now booked and immobilized. wife committing suicide within 7 years of marriage is BIG trouble for husband and inlaws. This is of course if ST is not above the law. In India law is applied to common people, not the higher nawabs. So at the least, ST's career is now blocked for few years at least. And at the most, I dare not say its too early.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2014 22:46

RM'ji, Vigilantism will turn middle-class onto itself. And once that happens, there is no saying where this asura will end., and who will it consume. It may consume AAP and CongIs as well., and while we may rejoice in short - it may end up a bigger Asura.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2014 22:49

Atri wrote: I was suspicious when suddenly last week the whiskey throwing incident of Sunanda was found making circles. Some people tried to involve name of Arnab Goswami in that issue as well. ..

There was a gradual build-up of her image as someone who is currently emotionally edgy in media. Then the twitter war initially was put under the rug by ST when he said his account was hacked. This too was shot down by Sunanda Pushkar (SP) when she tweeted that she was the one who broke the ST's harrassment by the paki journo.
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And then there are stories going around saying that she was medically ill and one news outlet even ballooned the idea that she was suffering from lupus.

In one of her tweets she did talk about the "crimes she covered for ST". I think that should be her dying declaration. If ST goes down like TT., that would have been great. She was fiesty - so I would credit the theory of her having "suicided" rather than "suicide".

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Jan 2014 22:52

archan wrote:BREAKING NEWS: Sunanda Tharoor found dead in hotel room.

Holy Molly! Sssss....!

My tweets to Sunanda. Just became her follower yesterday

RIP Sunanda!

Pakistan needs to be taken down!

Rahul Mehta · Post by **Rahul Mehta** » 17 Jan 2014 22:56

disha wrote:RM'ji, Vigilantism will turn middle-class onto itself. And once that happens, there is no saying where this asura will end., and who will it consume. It may consume AAP and CongIs as well., and while we may rejoice in short - it may end up a bigger Asura.

Yes Vigilantism is bad. But it fetches publicity in short run. And AAP will anyway fold up on 17-may-2014 after Loksabha elections result come. So AAP is only looking for 4 month publicity stunts. And vigilanteism is a good one.

Solution I propose to end Vigilantism for good is Right to Recall Police Chief, RTR judges, Jury etc.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 17 Jan 2014 22:57

at least from the outset and the way of her life, Sunanda Pushkar was sprightly and bold in public. but the downside could be her private life may not be as rosy.
wonder what was going on in her life away from all of us.
to me suicide may not be the case. need to check all angles.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 17 Jan 2014 23:00

It is like the first rule of fightclub is to deny its existence.When they issued a statement that their marriage wasOK I was a bit suspicious and all the more whenI heard she gave her phone to journalists and told them to ask "Him". Hope this is not a Marilyne Monroe type bump off.Already the"gliterrati" are saying that various theories will be "spouted" but isn't it the rule that this should be highly investigated given possible national security implications all the more when she sort of point blank indicted Shashi Tharoor in the IPL fiasco in her tweets.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 17 Jan 2014 23:02

I can't understand how come Sunanda Pushkar is suddenly BRF's new hero ????

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2014 23:02

Rahul Mehta wrote:
disha wrote:RM'ji, Vigilantism will turn middle-class onto itself. And once that happens, there is no saying where this asura will end., and who will it consume. It may consume AAP and CongIs as well., and while we may rejoice in short - it may end up a bigger Asura.
Yes Vigilantism is bad. But it fetches publicity in short run. And AAP will anyway fold up on 17-may-2014 after Loksabha elections result come. So AAP is only looking for 4 month publicity stunts. And vigilanteism is a good one.

Solution I propose to end Vigilantism for good is Right to Recall Police Chief, RTR judges, Jury etc.

Right diagnosis, wrong medicine. Thank god you are not a Doctor!!

RTR will not help., it will be used by AAPists and their ilk. Instead of RTR etc., Govt. should be made to implement SC recommendations on Police Reforms.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Jan 2014 23:03

Atri wrote:this runs deep, I tell ya. I won't be surprised about hawala angle of hasan ali type handlers and ST's dubai trip last week. ST is now booked and immobilized. wife committing suicide within 7 years of marriage is BIG trouble for husband and inlaws. This is of course if ST is not above the law. In India law is applied to common people, not the higher nawabs. So at the least, ST's career is now blocked for few years at least. And at the most, I dare not say its too early.

Shashi Tharoor in a honeytrap. Shinde protecting Dawood's men. Manmohan Singh can't stop dreaming of going to Pakistan.

Congress is indeed a branch of ISI!

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Jan 2014 23:07

Sagar G wrote:I can't understand how come Sunanda Pushkar is suddenly BRF's new hero ????

She publicly supported NaMo's message after his Jammu rally on Article 370, going against her husband's Congress leanings. Now she was going to spill info on ISI's dealings with Indian Govt.

What makes her a hero is that she was killed off by India's enemies!

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 17 Jan 2014 23:07

Sagar G wrote:I can't understand how come Sunanda Pushkar is suddenly BRF's new hero ????

Suddenly! BRF was behind the curve. ST was going around like a chikna _amina all the while. And the ISI allegation against was already being taken as if it is allowed for handsome young men. Even as we speak the media is already going on about how CTs will be floated. Does it not look orchestrated. Hubby with alibi just after they both said they were happy together. Something is rotten here.

disha · Post by **disha** » 17 Jan 2014 23:07

Sagar G wrote:I can't understand how come Sunanda Pushkar is suddenly BRF's new hero ????

She was not a "villain" (or vamp) either. Her sudden death changes the equations under which she lived. One feels sorry for her being trapped and life snuffed out (suicided) because of likes like ST and MT.

MT visits to India and directly going against NaMo and Godhra., ST's trips to Dubai and all the money from Dawood (was it a money laundering scheme?)., and all the talk about "Hindu Terrorism" by Shinde., Adarsh scam - things are getting ugly.

If the money trail is followed and all dots are connected., I will not be surprised that an entire CONgI(s) top leadership is involved into drugs, sex, money laundering via hawala and terrorism business.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 17 Jan 2014 23:08

According to media reports, at their official residence some pest control work was going on. That is why she was in staying in Hotel.

Its possible that she was murdered at official residence, place was/is being cleaned up by "pest controllers" and body was moved to Hotel.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 17 Jan 2014 23:10

prasannasimha wrote:Cant understand why they are giving Suhel Seth so much coverage.

I always thought him off like Kim Kardashian, he is a celebrity because he is a celebrity. Not much to back with and Arnab uses him a lot because he is capable of shouting and uses good vocabular, has enough facial expressions, disgust and contempt, scorn, ridicule and insults for his opponents. A good TV personality. If you want to ungli your opponent and rile them up, then Suhel should be in your armory.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 17 Jan 2014 23:12

Rahul Mehta wrote:Solution I propose to end Vigilantism for good is Right to Recall Police Chief, RTR judges, Jury etc.

If I may say so, Right to Recall is an extremely destabilizing tool, and Lokpal just as abusable.

People who have come into office through election, through years of civil service, suddenly become susceptible to vendetta which can be started by anybody. How is an official supposed to do his work, if he has to concentrate only on the processes going on against him. Can one imagine how disconcerting and distracting such processes can be?

RTR is not the way to move forward.

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 17 Jan 2014 23:13

She tweeted around 4.15 AM asking reporters to meet her for some news(Unless someone tweeted using her phone when she was already dead) and at 6.30 Shashi Tharoor is supposed to have left for an AICC conference.She is supposed to have gone to sleep and not got up thereafter. So timelines of events need to be constructed to determine when she actually died.A lot hinges on what her time of death on autopsy shows.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 17 Jan 2014 23:18

She was seen at 3:30 PM in hotel lobby
Hotel staff opened room at 7 PM and found her body.
Why was it not reported till 8:30 PM by Shashi Tharoor. I can understand if he needed a private moment. No need of CTs here.

Sagar G · Post by **Sagar G** » 17 Jan 2014 23:21

RajeshA wrote:She publicly supported NaMo's message after his Jammu rally on Article 370, going against her husband's Congress leanings. Now she was going to spill info on ISI's dealings with Indian Govt.

What makes her a hero is that she was killed off by India's enemies!

ravi_g wrote:Suddenly! BRF was behind the curve. ST was going around like a chikna _amina all the while. And the ISI allegation against was already being taken as if it is allowed for handsome young men. Even as we speak the media is already going on about how CTs will be floated. Does it not look orchestrated. Hubby with alibi just after they both said they were happy together. Something is rotten here.

disha wrote:She was not a "villain" (or vamp) either. Her sudden death changes the equations under which she lived. One feels sorry for her being trapped and life snuffed out (suicided) because of likes like ST and MT.

MT visits to India and directly going against NaMo and Godhra., ST's trips to Dubai and all the money from Dawood (was it a money laundering scheme?)., and all the talk about "Hindu Terrorism" by Shinde., Adarsh scam - things are getting ugly.

If the money trail is followed and all dots are connected., I will not be surprised that an entire CONgI(s) top leadership is involved into drugs, sex, money laundering via hawala and terrorism business.

She didn't go rebel out of love for the country but because she got a raw deal from ST and to bring him back she did what she did. Hardly any hero material here to look for.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 17 Jan 2014 23:21

RajeshA wrote:
Sagar G wrote:I can't understand how come Sunanda Pushkar is suddenly BRF's new hero ????
She publicly supported NaMo's message after his Jammu rally on Article 370, going against her husband's Congress leanings. Now she was going to spill info on ISI's dealings with Indian Govt.

What makes her a hero is that she was killed off by India's enemies!

Yup Omar babu had to shut it after her tweetsSeems she even went against her husband on this
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SunandaPTharoor @sptvrock

@abdullah_omar @shashitharoor I wasn't allowed to buy land a few years ago was told I can't as I am married to a non kashmiri

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SunandaPTharoor @sptvrock

@drrupani @neenarai. I try but then my husband is told to "sambalo" me & make sure I don't talk. So either I have to b a Kashmiri or a wife

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SunandaPTharoor @sptvrock

So much is being done for minorities these days esp the ones who suffered riots.why on earth are the Kashmiris ignored who suffered in 1989

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SunandaPTharoor @sptvrock

No discrimination in Kashmir re women?Kashmiri boy marries a Russian his child inherits ,Kashmiri girl marries a Punjabi her child doesn't!
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SunandaPTharoor @sptvrock

@rajenderkhushu in Kashmir a girl marries a non kashmiri &
loses her state subject, a guy marries a non kashmiri &doesn't lose his rights
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On another note sample below tweet from 2 days back, wonder who is the public enemy who accidented her?
SunandaPTharoor @sptvrock

"The chief internal enemies of any state are those public officials who betray the trust imposed upon them by the people." Dalton Trumbo

member_28108 · Post by **member_28108** » 17 Jan 2014 23:22

Actually one of the reporters say that a person came to meet her at around 3- 4PM but she did not turn up and was told that "Madam is resting".Lot of reporters ahd been informed and were waiting to meet her and one of her friends had actually come to meet her so no one saw her outside that day.The truth will actually come out if the hotel videocams are reviewed.

CNN IBN makes the claim that she was in the lobby at 3PM whereas others say she did not come out.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 17 Jan 2014 23:25

TV says autopsy in AIIMS Delhi.

Suhel Seth apparently got a call from Tarar complaining - admited on Ornob's channel. But not clarified why the call was made or received?

One Whatever Mallik a filmaker ranting about SM on Ornob's channel.

On Ornob's channel - crawler says at around 11:50 PM 17/01/14 that there is no foul play suspected by PS/PA of ST.