Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 24 Dec 2013 20:22

svenkat wrote:nageshksji,
You didnt get my drift at all.It is not easy for GOI to do a tightrope walk between fantastic claims in TN and GOI perspective on eezham.There will be enormous pressure on NaMo.

Of course, there will be. There will be fantastic claims aplenty. But the present sentiment has swung a lot away from TN. A Hindu nationalist BJP championing some of the causes will be good, not only for BJP, but also for the greater cause of Tamils. I don't like where some of the Tamil causes are looking for help (they are desperate, and they will take any help they can get). A more sober Hindu leadership that tries to resolve their problems will be a welcome step.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 24 Dec 2013 20:37

nageshks wrote:
Please read NaMo's Trichi speech. Already, NaMo made a hard reference towards SL about the woes of the Indian fishermen, and how SL is being unduly harsh. In fact, as the BJP spreads in TN, I suspect its policy towards SL will harden quite a bit. This is actually the message that is being given to the people of TN by the BJP. You are ignored because you elect regional parties that have no influence at the centre. If you elect us, we will be more sympathetic towards you.

That is only partially correct. I don't recollect any names of BJP leaders in TN. They are either insignificant or non existence. BJP is perceived as a North Indian Party. BJP on its part has not helped in any manner by taking up cause of TN. Most of the time there is perceived divergence between TN and North Interest. Which is wrong in my opinion. BJP has to find issues close to TN people or make TN people aware that they support then. In fact TN people have supported Congress which was largely north Indian party but had stalwarts from South who always carried TN people with them and made their voice heard. After Kamraj Plan this perhaps started declining.

AS far as influence is concerned , they remedied this by Ruling Party aligning with whichever part is in power at center. JJ is also making power play and forced the govt to take action against DMK leaders and made congis wary to take much strong action against her or against interest of TN. Witness Cauvery Award.

As long as, Strong leadership from TN is not in BJP, it would be a hard act. BJP needs to build leadership in the states.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 24 Dec 2013 20:48

chaanakya wrote:
nageshks wrote:
Please read NaMo's Trichi speech. Already, NaMo made a hard reference towards SL about the woes of the Indian fishermen, and how SL is being unduly harsh. In fact, as the BJP spreads in TN, I suspect its policy towards SL will harden quite a bit. This is actually the message that is being given to the people of TN by the BJP. You are ignored because you elect regional parties that have no influence at the centre. If you elect us, we will be more sympathetic towards you.
That is only partially correct. I don't recollect any names of BJP leaders in TN. They are either insignificant or non existence.

Chaanakya-ji,
IMHO, you are looking at things the wrong way round. Leaders emerge when they win elections. People are not elected ab initio as leaders. Otherwise, you will end up as you did with the D4 - leaders with no mass base. The BJP is working today to increase its clout in TN (particularly the south, and if my sources are to be believed, they have an independent base of some significance in the south of TN, particularly among the fishermen). This, they claim, is why MDMK is making overtures towards the BJP.

BJP is perceived as a North Indian Party. BJP on its part has not helped in any manner by taking up cause of TN. Most of the time there is perceived divergence between TN and North Interest. Which is wrong in my opinion. BJP has to find issues close to TN people or make TN people aware that they support then.

This is precisely what NaMo did in his Trichy speech. I encourage everyone to read it up. He hammered all the time on TN interests. And for the last few months, the BJP has been very active in the southern part of the state. While I cannot judge the utility of their campaigns, I cannot fault their activity.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Dec 2013 21:30

Much gung ho about Kejriwal security--all news channels were abuzz today with news of AK refusing security but in the night it became clear he is getting Z level security by delhi police

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Dec 2013 21:49

So the Congress has been reborn...

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 24 Dec 2013 22:08

Now AAP will be hoping for Cong to pull out. That is their best case scenario

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 24 Dec 2013 23:18

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 24 Dec 2013 23:45

Kejriwal picks his team, but embarrassed with open dissent

Arvind Kejriwal on Tuesday finalized his team of ministers that includes his trusted associate Manish Sisodia and five others but was embarrassed with open dissent from a newly-elected MLA over his being kept out of the government.

The task of giving shape to the government was undertaken on a day deep divisions came to the fore in Congress over extending support to AAP in government formation. However, late in the night Congress sources set at rest reports that moves were on to immediately withdraw the support.

Kejriwal, who is likely to be sworn in as chief minister on Thursday, sent to lieutenant governor Najeeb Jung a list of six ministers, including the names of Sisodia, a former journalist who won from Patparganj constituency, Rakhi Birla, the giant killer who defeated PWD minister Rajkumar Chouhan, Somnath Bharti (defeated Women and Child Development Minister Kiran Walia) Saurabh Bhardwaj, Girish Soni and Satendra Jain.

Disclosing this, Sisodia denied there was any dissent. He said picking up his team was the Chief Minister's prerogative. <<Straightface liar. Probably a champion of Poker game>>

However, party sources said Vinod Kumar Binny, a two time corporator in the Delhi Municipal Corporation with Congress background, is sulking over his non-inclusion in the cabinet.

An upset Binny walked out of a meeting with Kejriwal at his residence and told the media that he would address a press conference on Wednesday that could embarrass the party.

The sources said efforts were on to pacify him in which leaders including Yogendra Yadav are said to be involved. Speculation is that he could be made the speaker whose role will be important in a fractious house.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Dec 2013 00:13

nageshks wrote:
Chaanakya-ji,
IMHO, you are looking at things the wrong way round. Leaders emerge when they win elections. People are not elected ab initio as leaders. .

May be, but for last 30 years or so , why no leaders emerged. Better late than never.

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 25 Dec 2013 00:30

Congress seriously considering withdrawing support to AAP

Highly-placed sources say that Dixit called her people on Monday and told them to create such a disturbance that the leadership would be forced to withdraw support to the AAP, even before it forms the government. A large number of Congress workers protested through the day and insisted that support be taken back.

It is also learnt that on Monday night, a letter was drafted withdrawing support to the AAP government, but some Congress members of Legislative Assembly protested, saying they would leave the party if this was done.

They said the party will get a bad name and would be called opportunistic for a long time.

Sources said that the panic has its origins in information that AAP leader Prashant Bhushan has documents in his possession on corruption deals of senior Congress leaders, and parts of those are likely to be made public, and Congress leaders say that it is the main reason for the panic within the Dixit camp.

A Congress leader said that Dixit proposed the idea that the Congress should give support to the AAP, but she was under the impression that they would not accept the party’s support.

She was trying to stay on the right side of Congress vice-president Rahul Gandhi, as he is impressed with the performance of the AAP. When Kejriwal met Jung, and when it became clear that they were going to form the government, panic hit Dixit and the strategy now is to ensure that the AAP does not form the government.

The ball is probably in Rahul’s court, and he will take the final decision on whether to go ahead with the letter of support already given.

Within the AAP too, there is rebellion as ‘giant killer’ MLA Vinod Kumar Binny is upset at not getting a ministerial berth. There are others who are angry at having been sidelined by the AAP leadership.

With Kejriwal and his team set to take oath at the Ramlila grounds on December 26, the question of whether that will actually happen is wide open, say sources within the Congress.

Implicit in this is also the threat that those who indulged in corruption would be dealt with severely and not be spared, never mind if the leaders belong to the political party which is giving them support.

Hence the panic among the Congress leaders.

2 angles to this: DIEnasty sacrificing their looters/scamaster to destroy Modi; CONGis want AK to look like a Hero.

No wonder Bhushan and Yadav said we may be toppled on Day one. DIEnasty is ready to destroy Delhi CONGis to move AK over Modi

I think if Binny destroys AAP, then AK can't claim moral superiority and CWG scamster Dixit will be saved without affecting CONGis.

But I am sure whatever happens Kujli will keep blaming BJP and CONgress

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 25 Dec 2013 00:51

vivek.rao wrote: 2 angles to this: DIEnasty sacrificing their looters/scamaster to destroy Modi; CONGis want AK to look like a Hero.

No wonder Bhushan and Yadav said we may be toppled on Day one. DIEnasty is ready to destroy Delhi CONGis to move AK over Modi

I think if Binny destroys AAP, then AK can't claim moral superiority and CWG scamster Dixit will be saved without affecting CONGis.

But I am sure whatever happens Kujli will keep blaming BJP and CONgress

The problem with this theory is that if the Dienasty starts destroying their own party members to help Kejriwal, the morale of the Congress will plummet and the Congress as an organisation will be utterly done for. Today it is Delhi Congress, tomorrow, it may be others who may be sacrificed to save the corrupt Dienasty. So - if they actually support destroying their own organisation, I expect all Congressmen will make a beeline for the exit, and the Congress will be reduced to single digits in the Lok Sabha elections.

I suspect they will get Binny to destroy AK. This way, the Congress has a chance of returning later on.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 25 Dec 2013 02:00

The problem for Congress is that its AAP front is its last shot at stopping the Modi juggernaut. They will be burned anyway in this coming election. Might as well torch the entire party in a controlled manner and pump up AAP.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 25 Dec 2013 02:51

RoyG wrote:The problem for Congress is that its AAP front is its last shot at stopping the Modi juggernaut. They will be burned anyway in this coming election. Might as well torch the entire party in a controlled manner and pump up AAP.

Once they start torching the party, it is impossible to control. The party will be utterly finished.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Dec 2013 04:24

AAP must have taken time to guage its promises and deliverables. Must have contacted experts to get thrash some plan, hence bought time after the elections. They are likely to pull one or two ideas and the media will sell it to the country. INC resigned to lose elections, and wants a temporary government. Since NaMo is a NoNo, it will be AAP till INC gets its ducks in a row. INC wil be back.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Dec 2013 05:24

svenkat wrote: RajeshAji,muraliraviji,Gusji,SwamyGji,Neelaji.nageshksji,chetakji

Question to all of you,

why? why? why ? and these are questions that tamizh nationalists will 'force' Jaya to ask when NaMo come to power.And dont tell Artiste that Isaipriya and others were not Indian citizens.Thats NOT good enough for PMK,MDMK etc

what is the question again?

i see some bold text and some usual blabbering from kalaignar. what is the question for me (and others) there?

LTTE / SL Tamil issue only goes so far in elections. MDMK gets 2% votes for crying hoarse about it.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Dec 2013 05:52

Venkat: I missed your post. So what is the issue with Muka now?

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 25 Dec 2013 06:07

I agree with Gus. All this breast-beating about SL tamils is just for show. It has a very questionable effect on the elections. People are more swayed by caste and who offers what when the time comes. While people sympathise with the plight of the tamils in sl, it doesn't go far as to become a major electoral issue.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 25 Dec 2013 07:15

AAP's promise of cheaper power may not be possible
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 810650.cms

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 07:43

http://t.co/2nfjHkvGEm

NEW DELHI: 'One vote, one note'. This is the new slogan for BJP as it attempts to deepen its connect with voters ahead of Lok Sabha elections, apparently taking a leaf out of Aam Aadmi Party's strategy.

Under the slogan, BJP workers will approach people to seek donations ranging from Rs 10 to Rs 1,000.

Announcing the decision after a meeting of party leaders, including the party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, BJP general secretary Ananth Kumar said the collection will be done by workers at booth-level.

The party hopes Modi's appeal will drive people to donate for it as it readies to fight polls with "Modi for PM" slogan.

Arvind Kejriwal-led Aam Aadmi Party is understood to have employed a similar strategy at local level during the recent assembly polls in Delhi.

The AAP strategy was to make the voters stake-holders in its campaign and it apparently helped the debutant in getting the stunning result of 28 out of 70 seats.

Kumar announced the decision following a meeting of chief ministers of five BJP-ruled states and its parliamentary board.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 25 Dec 2013 08:04

krishnan wrote:http://t.co/2nfjHkvGEm

NEW DELHI: 'One vote, one note'. This is the new slogan for BJP as it attempts to deepen its connect with voters ahead of Lok Sabha elections, apparently taking a leaf out of Aam Aadmi Party's strategy.

Under the slogan, BJP workers will approach people to seek donations ranging from Rs 10 to Rs 1,000.

Announcing the decision after a meeting of party leaders, including the party's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi, BJP general secretary Ananth Kumar said the collection will be done by workers at booth-level.

The party hopes Modi's appeal will drive people to donate for it as it readies to fight polls with "Modi for PM" slogan.

Arvind Kejriwal-led Aam Aadmi Party is understood to have employed a similar strategy at local level during the recent assembly polls in Delhi.

The AAP strategy was to make the voters stake-holders in its campaign and it apparently helped the debutant in getting the stunning result of 28 out of 70 seats.

Kumar announced the decision following a meeting of chief ministers of five BJP-ruled states and its parliamentary board.

It is pretty ridiculous to claim that BJP is taking a leaf out of the AAP's notebook. The BJP used to collect small donations right through the 80s and the 90s. So did the RSS, by the way. Is it just me or does anyone else think that the latest fashion for the DDM is to credit everything since sliced bread to the AAP?

Oh - and by the way - will Khujliwal swear on his kids during the oath taking ceremony as well, so that we may all know the sterling quality of this worthy?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 08:19

didnt they collect fees for modi rally, they stopped doing it after hyd rally ??

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 25 Dec 2013 08:22

krishnan wrote:didnt they collect fees for modi rally, they stopped doing it after hyd rally ??

They did it for the Bangalore rally as well. I am not sure after that.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 08:51

for kajirawal , yet so close but still far away. Swearing in ceremony cancelled

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 25 Dec 2013 09:11

^blr, mumbai etc. were collections from party members and workers, not aam public attending the rally, AFAIK.

Shanmukh · Post by **Shanmukh** » 25 Dec 2013 09:13

krishnan wrote:

for kajirawal , yet so close but still far away. Swearing in ceremony cancelled

Ehh? Link, saar?

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 09:14

flash news

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 09:18

quite funny really, BTW where did the news come from that tomorrow is swearing in ceremony, as per news LG hasnt invited yet and dates have not been fixed ,

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 09:20

now AAP chief is going on record saying the he has no alliance with anyone , so how can he form goberment

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 25 Dec 2013 09:23

If AAP does not form govt, it will ultimate khela. BJP will go all over town and beat the fact that they were willing to ally with congress. At the end of the day, AAP will no more be holy and not be in power. double whammy

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 09:24

He says he can solved water problem in 24 hrs , what magic does this guy have

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Dec 2013 10:00

Some panelist on TV was saying that people are NOW against corruption and do not want to elect corrupt politicians. That is very lame. When were people pro-corruption? They had to elect based on the available choices. With changing times, people have been able to effectively raise the bar and protest - social media and on the grounds, thereby bringing awareness. The media has done its share to increase the awareness.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 25 Dec 2013 10:21

krishnan wrote:He says he can solved water problem in 24 hrs , what magic does this guy have

He can make it free (700lts) in small pockets immediately. Once you get a few low hanging fruits, then announce other areas will also get the free water with some delay because of logistics. So that is deemed a success, parroted several dozen times, people will believe. That is the truth, partial though. However, in politics it is fair game. So he moves on to the next manifesto goal. The media will sensationalize the initial success. Imagine, he gets this done for 5-7 colonies, the whole media will be talking this for 2-3 days. First good impression is created, and everybody moves on.

It is clear they like to make a splash, and he is picking the water issue first. He does not need a miracle or magic, just partial success.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Dec 2013 10:29

Media will go to town even with part sucess (?) They know that mafia can not stop modified, so make Khejiri to divide the youth and anti congress votes. Basically do a " Praja Rajyam" at national level or in major urban centers which are getting fully
" modified".

Comer · Post by **Comer** » 25 Dec 2013 11:49

SwamyG wrote:
krishnan wrote:He says he can solved water problem in 24 hrs , what magic does this guy have
He can make it free (700lts) in small pockets immediately. Once you get a few low hanging fruits, then announce other areas will also get the free water with some delay because of logistics. So that is deemed a success, parroted several dozen times, people will believe. That is the truth, partial though. However, in politics it is fair game. So he moves on to the next manifesto goal. The media will sensationalize the initial success. Imagine, he gets this done for 5-7 colonies, the whole media will be talking this for 2-3 days. First good impression is created, and everybody moves on.

It is clear they like to make a splash, and he is picking the water issue first. He does not need a miracle or magic, just partial success.

This is typically Karunanidhi's playbook. Promise the moon like 1 acre per person, launch with lots of fanfare and give it to few 'lucky'(mostly partymen) people and use wordplay to escape from the issue indefinitely. If media is a lapdog then this strategy works.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 12:00

now cong says , support as per planned, no going back

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 12:01

what is binny hiding ???

kapilrdave · Post by **kapilrdave** » 25 Dec 2013 12:16

Looking through local newspapers. The headlines say "AAP to form govt" but no one says "AAP to form govt with congress's support". Makes a huge difference in perception.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 25 Dec 2013 14:03

AAP keeps saying they wont have any alliance or any kind of understanding with cong, so how are they going to form the govt???

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 25 Dec 2013 14:46

what was big khulasa on AAP, Binny was going to make? No media is questioning him.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 25 Dec 2013 19:01

Being IRS Officer he should know what are the rules and regulations and legislative procedure before promising something and then after getting elected try to take shelter behind the ignorance of the same. Did he not attend his training and work seriously?? Did he moonlight on exchequers' monies?