johneeG wrote:ShyamSP wrote:
I don't know if you follow elections thread. TDP doesn't fetch much votes with (p)secular politics and can't play spoilsport with respect to BJP as both BJP and TDP are mutually exclusive in terms of vote banks as of now (may have had common votebank in the past).
TDP is extremely boxed in by INC which sliced AP into regional, religious, caste votebanks to extreme. Any public support to BJP by TDP is unnecessary till elections as such deal can be directed to net loss for them by INC. BJP has to show they can win more seats and bring INC seats down, all non-congress parties will automatically come to its support. They need to fix their own stupidity (KA and UP for example) than cribbing on JDU, TDP, and other potential allies.
TDP is extremely careful with their strategies and tactics and even wording which can be even seen in recent Telangana all-party meeting by home minister Shinde.
No, I am not following election thread.
My comment on JDU and TDP was not about vote shares, but post-electoral alliance. Even if NDA is in a position to form the Govt with the help of JDU and TDP, the seculars would be hoping that these two parties will play spoilsport and try for a third-front(backed by the kongis).
My observation on TDP going pawki is not based solely on TDP not supporting Modi's candidature before elections, it is just a case in point. Both TDP and JDU are going pawki, in general. Nitis visited pakiland recently. He is taking his secularism seriously, or thats the pretense from his side.
TDP is simply becoming a shadow of kongis in all aspects of policy. There is almost no difference in policy matters between kongis and TDP. Reservations, cash transfer, secularism, caste-politics, Telangana, whatever other issue you name it. One cannot see any clear policy difference between TDP and Kongis. It is very much like BJP at centre. CBN has transformed TDP into a kongi b-team. The only difference he can cite is the degree of corruption and nepotism, all other policies are same same. TDP initiate a program, kongis follow it. Kongis start a program, TDP apes it. Both are competing for the same space. In true sense, they have become ideologically similar. So, TDP has lost its anti-kongi point.
CBN's worst mistake is ditching 'Telugu Pride' point. He is not even able to counter Jagan's brazen EJ games. He cannot even talk about it openly. BJP is secondary in AP. But, TDP is unable to take a stand against the rampant corrupt EJism in AP. If the major party cannot even raise this issue in the fear of losing few minority votes(which are anyway suspect), what is the use of this party.
Even on T, CBN has no real stand. His stand is same as Kongis. And this, from a party that is named Telugu Desam. Oh, the irony! If CBN supports T, then he should say so, and prepare for the affects. If CBN wants united AP, then he should say so and prepare for the results. Instead, neither here nor there nonsense and trying to fool both sides does not cut it. If he does not want to play this T game setup by Kongis, then he should say so. But, what CBN is doing is aping the Kongis trick for trick. It is not a question of whether you lose some seats or votes. The real point is whether people lose trust in your leadership and party policy. If TDP is true to its founding principle, then it should have stuck with united AP stance and defended that stance as robustly as possible. Any temporary setback in 2009, would have been corrected by 2013. I can understand the initial reaction, but after some time, a clear policy for/against/we-are-not-going-to-play-this-game T should have been articulated. It was not done and there really is no policy on T except mere politicking.
BTW, politicking on important issue regardless of the inconvenience to ordinary people is a hallmark of the kongis. The least one can do is be transparent about one's policy(specially in important matters) instead of playing political games.
The real problem is that CBN has leadership issues. He is unable to lead properly and comes across as very defensive and overtly cautious(which makes him resort to opportunism). It is this defensiveness and opportunism that was exploited by YSR. CBN's leadership is similar to captaincy of Dhoni...he is waiting for things to fall in the right place for him, instead of being pro-active. The same problem exists with BJP at center.
Modi provided a backdoor to CBN by inviting Balakrishna. Balakrishna could have attended Modi's swearing ceremony and TDP could still posture it as a private invitation. CBN did not take it and displayed his insecurity. CBN is unable to defend allying with BJP, and this is a failure. Whether he wants to ally with BJP or not is irrelevant. The position must be that TDP will ally with any anti-kongi force at center, zimple. Just take a look at KCR! KCR has jumped from NDA to UPA(and may jump back to NDA), has he been afraid? Nope, he defends himself brazenly. If KCR can defend his position, why can't CBN? To me this is a leadership failure which has muddled the party policies making it a clone of its opponent.
Given CBN's general trajectory, I think he would be hesitant to make any post-poll alliance with BJP(under Modi) even if they are in a position to form Govt. I think Ramoji Rao will play pivotal role in this relationship...
The success of Kongis is mostly due to the failure of their opponents. Their opponents' greatest failure is aping the policies of Kongis. The biggest changes in the Indian political landscape have come when the Kongi policies were questioned and invalidated. Modi's success and CBN's failure is in this framework.
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Muppalla wrote:
It is not idiocy. We are all having illusions about India. It is not an independent or democratic nation. Period. We have Robert Clives and their Mir Jaffers and Mir Qasims with few brown sahebs who are like the erstwhile Justice party. The entire system is subservient to the viceroy. Any revolt is considered as mutiny and will be oppressed like Jalianwala bagh.
I am not venting any frustration.
Just analyze folks and the illusions are only because we have a flag and currency and some icons of pride (mirage).
Let us see how far it will go.
Not just India, saar. This is the reality in most of the world, with perhaps a rare exception. Its just that this reality is wrapped in sophisticated narrative that confuses people into believing that we are not living in middle ages(or colonial ages). Only technology and rise of middle class is the difference. Rest all is same same only. Not just in India, but most of the world...
