Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

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Postby harbans » 03 Apr 2014 14:21

Was forced to leave Congress party as they are playing communal politics: Former Congress leader Ramesh Tomar


They called Modi a regional leader, Modi proved he is a National one and they regional
They called Modi a divisive leader, Modi is cheered by crowds calling the INC divisive
They called Modi a riot tainted leader, Modi proved the riot tainted are the Congress
They called Modi a mass murderer, Modi showed them who said "When a Big tree falls"
They called Modi a communal, now INC leaders leave the party calling it communal.

Amazing how life turns around!

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Postby SanjayC » 03 Apr 2014 14:27

Hari Seldon wrote:^^Nah. Nepal and Tibet are not in India... not to mention Maldives, Diego Garcia...


Afghanistan was ruled by Hindu kings for a 1000 years. Belongs to us.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby member_28352 » 03 Apr 2014 14:31

Wrt to that map there are a few anomalies. One Nepal,Tibet and Afghanistan should be part of India. Second parts of Uttar Kuru, nowadays more famous as Xinjiang. Allmost all of Xinjiang south of the Tian Shan mountains is in the Bharatiya sphere of influence. Places are Kashgar (Uttar Kashi) etc were Hindu till the Islamic hordes decimated the place in the 10th century. I can't find the reference but manollasa had an article on this a few years ago. Similarly places like Madagascar should also be part of the Bharatiya sphere of influence. Ofcourse one can also dream that entire South East Asia be part of Bharat Samrajya.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby harbans » 03 Apr 2014 14:34

The above can only part of a Dharmic federation. Firstly people will have to consolidate under Dharma in India to even start thinking about assimilating others and the regions they presently reside in. It's good that 'Secularism' is being exposed by Modi. No leader could have done this ground work in a span of just 5 months! The parameters of sensible dialect in elections is being changed slowly, but there is a long way to go. Another generation of leaders seeped in Dharma and Development will have to emerge from Modi's leadership.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Singha » 03 Apr 2014 14:40

er before (re)establishing the flame of dharma over uttar kashi, let us think about Pushpapura (called peshawar now), seat of Kanishka and the site of a massive stupa that was as usual desecreted and destroyed by the islamic hordes.

it ought to be found and rebuilt in homage to the maitreya buddha...the one who is awaited.

ruins like these in occupied lands await the coming of the second foundation
http://bhuwanchand.files.wordpress.com/ ... -india.jpg


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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 03 Apr 2014 15:11

Derogatory tweets may cost Kamaal Khan his candidature
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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 03 Apr 2014 15:19

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby archan » 03 Apr 2014 15:36

Is that the singer kamal khan? the one hit wonder?

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Postby SRoy » 03 Apr 2014 15:44

^^

Some b grade Bihari actor of pissfull extraction

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Singha » 03 Apr 2014 15:51

I guess if we think most congi candidates are of undistinguished nature, we have not dug into the SP/BSP type candidates yet.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Yogi_G » 03 Apr 2014 17:05

I am very very happy of Modi has achieved in some spheres, intentionally by him or not.

1. Press is now openly questioning psuedo-secularism.Commitment to secularism and progressiveness of Bukhari is openly being questioned now. This was unimaginable until now.
2. Spillover effect of Modi into neighbouring nations. Akhanda Bharatha separated fragments will now see Modi effect on them, Nepal could well become a Hindu country again, Bangladesh could see the current govt carrying on with further culling of the rabid Islamists etc etc.
3. Countries with Indian civilizational influence want to cooperate more with India. Japan, China, Russia, SE Asia.
4. politicians will never in the future bring up secularism as most of them invited Modi with open hands exposing their hollow ideologies. Development will be the subject of choice in further elections. The only excuse that the congress had has thus been erased.

We now have people in BR more actively speaking of reclaiming the lost parts of Akhand Bharatham. Amazing! See the kind of effect Modi is having. This will slowly percolate into more youth in India and they will openly question the status quo in Kashmir, Tibet, Bangladesh etc. Modi may not even realize the benign effect he has had on the nation's character and morale. May his tribe increase!

Modi may well be the Kali Bhagavan cleaning up the politics of India of its Mlecchas. There is still hope in kali yuga.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Yogi_G » 03 Apr 2014 17:07

archan wrote:Is that the singer kamal khan? the one hit wonder?


Just googled him, he looks ridiculous. Must be the power star Srinivasan or Sam Anderson of Bihari cinema.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby BhairavP » 03 Apr 2014 17:26

Speaking to some well connected people in Jaipur, they claim that the Congress will win 5 to 7 seats here.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 03 Apr 2014 17:27

Alok Bhatt ‏@alok_bhatt 1m

Etawah Congress candidate joins BJP...LOL

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby muraliravi » 03 Apr 2014 17:51

CSDS Leaks for today

Delhi has flipped, BJP beats AAP, set to be no. 1 party in Delhi

UP BJP vote share goes up by 1% compared to Jan tracker.

Jan tracker for UP BJP was 38% vote, 41-49 seats. Now it is 39% vote. Not sure if seats will go up or not.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 03 Apr 2014 18:29

India Today ‏@IndiaToday 21m

Mulayam threatens to withdraw permanent status granted to Shiksha Mitras if they don't vote for SP in UP rally.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby muraliravi » 03 Apr 2014 18:34

On a different note,

BJP has still not released its Manifesto and may release it on April 7th the day of the 1st phase of elections.

What a shame and such scant regard for democracy for a party that talks so much about democracy. They will have 1000 explanations for the delay, but at the end of the day, it shows how shallow they are in their commitment on letting voters know what they plan to do if given an opportunity. People can always argue that Namo is explaining all that in his speeches, but that is not true, he is not covering all issues. Whether it affects them electorally or not, they have definitely let some people down and certainly the spirit of democracy.

Now some gossip, I heard that there is some serious fist fighting going on between RSS and BJP over issue like Temple, UCC, Article 370, Meat Export etc.. My gut feeling based on Namo's speeches etc.. is that there is no major issue over all the topics, just the niti gritties, but the temple maybe an issue. Some in Namo's team want to drop it. Please take this info with a bucket of salt.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Sanjay » 03 Apr 2014 19:13

I agree with you on this one. Release should be for the latest Saturday. Perhaps something can still be done ?

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby harbans » 03 Apr 2014 19:21

I think they should delay it further.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 03 Apr 2014 19:28

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby muraliravi » 03 Apr 2014 19:28

harbans wrote:I think they should delay it further.


From a tactical perspective, that may not be a bad idea. For all khujli i have on them not releasing it, it makes sense for them to delay it from an electoral perspective. 99.9999% of voters dont read any party's manifesto. MSM will go full blown on the manifesto if it has mandir and it will go full blown and demoralize karyakartas is it does not. So best solution, delay it.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Sanjay » 03 Apr 2014 19:36

pankajs, are those screencaps for Delhi ?

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 03 Apr 2014 19:37

Yes saar

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby kapilrdave » 03 Apr 2014 19:39

harbans wrote:I think they should delay it further.

Ekjetly! Why give opposition any point to scream about? The moment it is out MSM will start shouting and manufacture defects from it. The momentum is with BJP and it should not be derailed at any cost.

And wth we want agenda? Are we afraid that BJP will have worse agenda than others? Are we going to change our vote if the agenda is not 400% aligned with our views? By now we should be sure enough that NM will give a better govt then anyone else. That's the only thing that should matter at the time of casting the vote. Rest can be seen once the govt is formed. Aage ka aage dekhenge.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby harbans » 03 Apr 2014 19:40

Murali ji, am saying from the tactical perspective only. Putting up Temple issue, FDI will be very contentious. If they come out without mentioning these then there will be heartburn and if they mention it then there will be heartburn. Either way the MSM will milk it, millions of fence sitters that are now with Modi may shift balance the other way. Everyone knows the basics of what the BJP wants. The wave is a WE TRUST NAMO one. So i feel that Modi must also get some leeway in how he intends to develop things. Modi is'nt against Ram Temple, neither am i. But can we risk 50 seats and possibly the formation of a Govt by stating so openly? I guess not. So IMO it's better if it can be postponed.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby abhik » 03 Apr 2014 19:42

Who the hell reads them any way?

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby muraliravi » 03 Apr 2014 19:42

CSDS Delhi Tracker Live

BJP 3-4 (40%)
AAP 2-3 (29%)
Cong 0-1 (22%)

For the 1st time BJP leads in their delhi tracker. I guess khujli's goose is cooked.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby muraliravi » 03 Apr 2014 19:43

abhik wrote:Who the hell reads them any way?


I for one will read it word by word. I intend to start a watchdog website to monitor their promises. But I agree with harbans ji, they can delay it.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby kapilrdave » 03 Apr 2014 19:44

At this point releasing the agenda is like giving a stick to cong to beat with. On the contrary having no publicised agenda means that you are open to do anything! If we can't trust NM then we can trust no one at this juncture.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby svenkat » 03 Apr 2014 19:45

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/soniaimam-meet-cec-action-after-complaint/article5867308.ece?homepage=true

We generally, in such matters (Sonia’s meeting with Shahi Imam), will take cognisance on the receipt of complaint.

We should be awaiting that,” he told reporters here.

Mr Sampath, who was replying to a question at a press conference here with regard to BJP’s demand for a sou motu cognisance of Sonia-Imam meeting on April 1, said, “As soon as it is received, we will definitely examine and further action would be taken.”

Taking strong objection to Ms Sonia’s appeal to Muslim leaders to ensure their votes are not split, BJP yesterday termed it is a violation of the Model Code of Conduct and asked the Election Commission to take suo motu note of it.

The principal opposition party also accused Congress of playing communal politics and dubbed the ruling party as “pseudo secularist”.

“This is absolute communal politics on display. This is absolutely unacceptable. This is also a violation of the Code of Conduct also because you cannot appeal to voters on the basis of religion and caste. We expect the Election Commission to take suo motu cognisance of this appeal,” BJP spokesperson Prakash Javadekar had said yesterday in Delhi.
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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Sanjay » 03 Apr 2014 19:47

pankajs, is there a link to the story from zee news as yet ?

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby RamaY » 03 Apr 2014 19:49

muraliravi wrote:On a different note,

BJP has still not released its Manifesto and may release it on April 7th the day of the 1st phase of elections.

What a shame and such scant regard for democracy for a party that talks so much about democracy. They will have 1000 explanations for the delay, but at the end of the day, it shows how shallow they are in their commitment on letting voters know what they plan to do if given an opportunity. People can always argue that Namo is explaining all that in his speeches, but that is not true, he is not covering all issues. Whether it affects them electorally or not, they have definitely let some people down and certainly the spirit of democracy.

Now some gossip, I heard that there is some serious fist fighting going on between RSS and BJP over issue like Temple, UCC, Article 370, Meat Export etc.. My gut feeling based on Namo's speeches etc.. is that there is no major issue over all the topics, just the niti gritties, but the temple maybe an issue. Some in Namo's team want to drop it. Please take this info with a bucket of salt.


As we discussed here threadbare some of these issues are like putting the cart before horse. However BJP can and must put some of these things in its manifesto. My recommendations are:
1/ Ban on Meat exports - BJP is not restricting any Indian about their food preferences. But exporting meat that too about 3-4 million cattle per year is a lot of stress on Indian eco-system and bad economics. Look at below details
Eco-footprint of a quarter pounder beef.
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India exported 2.25 million tons of meat products in 2012 earning 18,000 crore Forex Income. Using above numbers it cost India the following to produce this beef.
- 57.62 million tons of animal feed (This costs anywhere between 5-10,000 crore @1000-2000 Rs/ton animal feed)
- 3.068 million acre feet of water
- 3.23 million acres of land
- 3.5 million barrels worth of crude oil energy costs about 2000 crore.


2/ Ban foreign donations to religious and NGO institutions until all the registered NGOs in India are thoroughly audited and proper licenses and tax systems are provided.

3/ Uniform Civil Code - Identify items from Muslim Personal Law that are in contradiction with Indian constitution and remove them from MPL purview

4/ A370 - Commit to remove A370 if BJP gets simple majority & work for consensus with NDA partners if not.

5/ Temple - reassert that BJP supports Temple reconstruction as its Secular duty because the Masjid there was built on top of temple.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 03 Apr 2014 19:50

@Sanjay
No saar. Picked it off teetar

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby pankajs » 03 Apr 2014 19:51

Now Congress acknowledges RahulG's failure.. Pulls out the last Gandhi...
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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby prahaar » 03 Apr 2014 19:53

I fail to understand, how delaying manifesto release by 3 days is going to reduce the dent in votes due to MSM tamasha. Only 6 seats go to polls on April 7, but it definitely gives a message that the manifesto was not released until after voting started. Sounds like distributing Aamantran Patrika in vivaah mandap.

I have a feeling that more than Ram temple, there is some more profound item there which is causing so much HA/NA. Ram Mandir is a foregone conclusion even if UPA3 was to come back.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby harbans » 03 Apr 2014 19:54

Ramay ji,the only difference between stating UCC/Temple/370 in a manifesto and quietly working to achieve it is a possibility BJP/ NDA will end a 50 seats less if stated openly. I trust that should not be difficult to understand.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby RamaY » 03 Apr 2014 19:57

harbans wrote:Ramay ji,the only difference between stating UCC/Temple/370 in a manifesto and quietly working to achieve it is a possibility BJP/ NDA will end a 50 seats less if stated openly. I trust that should not be difficult to understand.


Agreed.. like someone said, no need for manifesto to begin with.

NM already gave his vision - the seven-Rishis and Pancha-Tanmatras etc.

Simple five point agenda:
- Educational and economic opportunities for every one.
- Good, decisive and corruption-free governance
- Enforcement of rule of law and delivery of speedy justice
- No-nonsense national security and foreign policy firmly rooted in Indian interests.
- Delivering true potential of India to every Indian.

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Re: Statewide and National runup to 2014 General elections

Postby kapilrdave » 03 Apr 2014 20:08

BTW is it legally ok if any party doesn't release its manifesto?


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