AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Sushupti » 15 Aug 2013 08:29

@ScorpiusMaximus 1m

Another leading TDP leader, Lal Jan Bhasha dies in a road accident, major loss after Yerram Naidu.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Yagnasri » 15 Aug 2013 20:00

It is reported that two cabinet ministers from AP assured Mafia queen that the agitation for united AP will not be continuing and sustaining as there are no "leadership" for the same. Funny ideas these INC fellows have about leadership - they think leaders are born in one family only.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ShyamSP » 15 Aug 2013 20:30

Narayana Rao wrote:It is reported that two cabinet ministers from AP assured Mafia queen that the agitation for united AP will not be continuing and sustaining as there are no "leadership" for the same. Funny ideas these INC fellows have about leadership - they think leaders are born in one family only.


When there is cause it automatically is sustaining and creates leadership position that some one can fill. If INC can't provide, TDP and YSRCP are there to provide political leadership. Besides protesters are rejecting INC politicians as leaders anyway.

At economic level, the division with no clarity upsets some employees, students, and farmers. Bulk of protesters can come from these category of people. At cultural level, it upsets those with Telugu unity and culture in mind. This cultural aspect however needs leadership unlike economic aspect to motivate people to come to streets and protest.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby harbans » 15 Aug 2013 23:07

Headlines today is giving results of an opinion poll that is NDA 155/ UPA 137. Can someone say what was the overall position a month back of the opinion polls NDA vs UPA? That was also after the JD (U) parted ways. IIRC it was NDA 130 plus and so too the UPA. NDA gathering steam to 155 in a month from 130 odd seems good.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby member_22872 » 15 Aug 2013 23:16

NDA:155/UPA:137 too close, seems as if people are more or less satisfied with INC &Co, no 'soft revolution'. That too after all these scams and security lapses.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Sushupti » 15 Aug 2013 23:45

harbans wrote:Headlines today is giving results of an opinion poll that is NDA 155/ UPA 137. Can someone say what was the overall position a month back of the opinion polls NDA vs UPA? That was also after the JD (U) parted ways. IIRC it was NDA 130 plus and so too the UPA. NDA gathering steam to 155 in a month from 130 odd seems good.


Funny thing is that NDA is losing seats even after gaining 6% vote compared to 2009.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby SwamyG » 16 Aug 2013 05:14

ShyamSP wrote:
Narayana Rao wrote:Now CBN wants friendship and alliance with BJP in Telangana areas and Ramdass wants Tipupathi, Srikalahasthi ( he called it Thirukalahasthi) Chittor and other areas to be given to Tamilnadu and threaten agitation for it. May be Jayalalitha also joins the game and Chiddu may be ready make an announcement soon,


Well AP can claim till Chennai-Kanchi-Vellore-Krishnagiri, South of that line is where real Arava Nadu starts.

All those areas that Ramdass claim are populated by Telugus with a few Arava people here are there.

Truth be told, the entire South should be Telugus. All these Tamilians, Kannadigas, Malayalees are fallen and failed telugus - in the sense they broke away from the mother; and like the proverbial story of the man kicking the ladder upon which he climbed, tamilians are kicking telugus now. It all started way back. Rajaji in the recent times worked towards breaking the united Andhras, then came countless people trying to maim telugu people. They will never succeed. One day all these people and territory will become part of Vishala Andhra, where every one will start singing in Sundara Telugu (after all Bharathi proclaimed Telugu was beautiful).

Tamilians are the epitome of the SDRE, they are dirty, short and eat rice and fart so loudly and pollute Andhra, India and BRF. Their rightful place....on second thoughts they do not have any rightful place. They are just bunch of hilli-billies who faultily claim their ancient lands extended in the current territories of KA, KL and AP. Scoundrels, someone now claims Tamilians lost 70,000 sq. kms of land or what not. Tamilians are really liars, history proves that.



The earlier these tamilians are converted back to the supreme mother languages of all - Telugu - the better for India...er I mean Vishala Andhra.

Jai Andhra. Telugu Vaazhaga.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby sudarshan » 16 Aug 2013 05:33

^^^ :eek: :shock: :-?

How's life in AP these days? Is the threatened strike going on?

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ramana » 16 Aug 2013 06:29

SwamyG, I see you have seen Chennai Express!!!

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Kakkaji » 16 Aug 2013 06:32

On this thread, we first had intra-Telugu fight between Telangana and non-Telangana folks.

Now we have Telugu vs. Tamilian fight.

On another thread, Theo Saheb tried to start a North Indian vs. South Indian fight.

Nice going Bharat Rakshaks! :roll:

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ShyamSP » 16 Aug 2013 07:32

SwamyG wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:Well AP can claim till Chennai-Kanchi-Vellore-Krishnagiri, South of that line is where real Arava Nadu starts.

All those areas that Ramdass claim are populated by Telugus with a few Arava people here are there.

Truth be told, the entire South should be Telugus. All these Tamilians, Kannadigas, Malayalees are fallen and failed telugus - in the sense they broke away from the mother; and like the proverbial story of the man kicking the ladder upon which he climbed, tamilians are kicking telugus now. It all started way back. Rajaji in the recent times worked towards breaking the united Andhras, then came countless people trying to maim telugu people. They will never succeed. One day all these people and territory will become part of Vishala Andhra, where every one will start singing in Sundara Telugu (after all Bharathi proclaimed Telugu was beautiful).

Tamilians are the epitome of the SDRE, they are dirty, short and eat rice and fart so loudly and pollute Andhra, India and BRF. Their rightful place....on second thoughts they do not have any rightful place. They are just bunch of hilli-billies who faultily claim their ancient lands extended in the current territories of KA, KL and AP. Scoundrels, someone now claims Tamilians lost 70,000 sq. kms of land or what not. Tamilians are really liars, history proves that.

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The earlier these tamilians are converted back to the supreme mother languages of all - Telugu - the better for India...er I mean Vishala Andhra.

Jai Andhra. Telugu Vaazhaga.


yeah right! Some Telugus parents in TN also complain that their kids have to learn Tamil or English only in schools and no Telugu.

Blame on Pallavs, Cholas, Vijayanagara, Nawabs, British for Telugus spreading from Madurai to Rajamundry (the chola mandalam coast) :D

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Bade » 16 Aug 2013 07:36

Hey guys, can we get some of the Seema Andhra people to settle in Kerala. :-) We have some but we need more. Right now it is only Seematti and Parthas.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby SwamyG » 16 Aug 2013 08:34

ramana wrote:SwamyG, I see you have seen Chennai Express!!!

Not yet, but I am planning to shift from Sringeri Muttam to Kanchi Muttam so that I can get close to my Pallava side, then go through a shudhi karan process to become a full fledged Telugu.

On a serious note, SHQ and I both are not SRK fans; however I do like Sathayaraj. Looks like SRK is promoting his movie in some Hindi serial.

Bade wrote:Hey guys, can we get some of the Seema Andhra people to settle in Kerala. :-) We have some but we need more. Right now it is only Seematti and Parthas.

Why don't they just start talking Telugu instead? It is easier, no? Once the peninsula is conquered, Sanskrit has no chance left.

ShyamSP wrote:yeah right! Some Telugus parents in TN also complain that their kids have to learn Tamil or English only in schools and no Telugu.

Blame on Pallavs, Cholas, Vijayanagara, Nawabs, British for Telugus spreading from Madurai to Rajamundry (the chola mandalam coast) :D

Agreed. Both AIADMK and DMK should be hauled into UN for human rights violation. Considering how AP has been so friendly with INC in the last decade, maybe with some the Christian missionary friends and INC, TN can be straightened out.
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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Yagnasri » 16 Aug 2013 08:51

The Vegitable prices are hitting the roof in hyderabad because supplies are not coming to the city due to agitation. No sea food also. Now reports say that ministers from Coastal areas are pressurizing AKA and the gang of four to do something before the month end as the agitation is slowly increasing. i think there is confusing in INC "leaders" who are not not personally cut of from their native places and constituencies. Fear may slowly turn into realization that their own political futures are damaged on long term basis. they need to do some thing soon.

One thing I am worried. These people are being kicked out of their capital for 4th time since indipendece. Most of the time Delhi insulted them and Tamil leaders Rajaji, Chidambaram are seen as the main criminals who are depriving them of their capital. Where will this anger go if there is no responsible political leadership??? May be it will tern anti national. Does sub-national indentity of the Telugus now seriously insulted will lead to demand for some thing more ??? I wonder. When Maharashtra can insult people like CBN and imprison then for agitating on an clear illegal dam and people see loot of Reliance on their coast with no gas being provided to their power projects and in near future there may be attacks on their close relatives on Hyderabad ( I fear if the present agitation continue such attacks will come soon)

Insults are hurled on Tv for almost 10 years on non Telangana people in Hyderabad may increase agitation levels. 10 years capital sharing in these conditions may be very bad idea. As here is nothing to shift elsewhere what is alternative?? Any other town will also lead to comparisons with facilities in Hyderabad and further anger.

Serious steps are need to be taken resolve the situation but no politico is doing anything. Massively corrupt Telugu politicos are all playing games now and may be the nation will regret it soon as there is no one to modarate and chanel this agitation. Cultural and civilisational oneness is only thing saving the nation otherwise dramas like this would have divided the nation into 600 nations.
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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Hari Seldon » 16 Aug 2013 08:56

^^^ Narayan Rao garu, if there is enough potential to turn any movement in the anti-national direction, trust me there are well-funded and well-organized agencies abroad with local collaborators here who will spare no effort in making it happen.

I'd watch some of the rhetoric emanating from some of the newly constructed places of worship for the first signs of trouble... am sure IB has that part covered but then again, in these uncertain times, who knows....

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Yagnasri » 16 Aug 2013 09:07

With EJ politicos of Jagan Criminal gangs and Neo Razakars and naxals one needs to be careful.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby devesh » 16 Aug 2013 09:14

the melodrama needs to go down. the T-vadi abuse on Kostas in media gets more coverage. the reverse process of Kosta verbal abuse on T as a whole is much more organic. get on a bus in Dilshukhnagar area, which is now mostly Kosta population, and you will see just how much "respect" the Kostas have for the "backward" interiors. maybe now it died down a little after the T-vadis have become more vocal. but even 5 years ago, I've seen it. my cousin who commuted everyday for 4 years from Dilshukhnagar to Mehdipatnam witnessed it too many times to count.

so don't give me this BS that it's only the T-vadis hurling abuses, which shows up in media. the abuses hurled by Kostas fly under the radar.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby devesh » 16 Aug 2013 09:16

Narayana Rao wrote:With EJ politicos of Jagan Criminal gangs and Neo Razakars and naxals one needs to be careful.


who were the elites who had the most hand in propping up these scum that are mentioned above?

all of them, irrevocably eventually were "rescued" by cooperation of a specific set of AP elites who has always viewed these groups as having "leveraging" power. all was done by cooperating and colluding with Delhi.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby devesh » 16 Aug 2013 09:23

^^^
it is ironic that above mentioned groups are now being highlighted by the Kostas. to be very honest, I am jumping with joy. at last, finally, some of the things that any T-wala would know and understand instinctively are being parroted by the Coastals too. don't forget what was said about the remnant razakars 60 years ago. don't forget how those remnants were rescued through active collusion of the elites (of both regions) and transported either to the North or out of country. we warned long ago that the snake will only keep its head down but never loose its poison. and now the snake has not 1 but at least 2 giant heads.

I hope at least now, there can be some honest reflection. and a changed course for the future. don't say we didn't warn you!

Pothanna wrote about "ghora kirata karnata rajas" long ago when he should have written something else entirely. misplaced priorities. misplaced sense of duty. what does that teach us now?

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby devesh » 16 Aug 2013 10:04

have been watching the owaisi brothers' speeches for sometime now. am waiting for a "prophetic" turn. it will come one of these days. and it might be on an issue that doesn't receive much attention. but if and when they start including more prophetic visions in their sayings, it should be assumed that Islamics are on the move again. that should indicate exactly what the Islamics are preparing for, in which direction they are moving in terms of political negotiations, and to what extent they've already laid the foundations for the coming moves/events.

understand that "prophetic" is meant as quite literally that.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ShyamSP » 16 Aug 2013 10:18

devesh wrote:...
Pothanna wrote ...


You mean Pothanna whose statue was broken by Ghora, Kirata, Kharkota, buddhiheena Telangana goons. :)

Incidentally he wrote Andhra Maha Bhagavatamu some 600 years ago when Persian derived word Telangana didn't exist.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby apoorv » 16 Aug 2013 10:27

For our Telugu friends:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Modi-meet-spinoff-Film-stars-directors-vying-for-BJP-tickets-in-Seemandhra/articleshow/21854340.

Modi meet spinoff: Film stars, directors vying for BJP tickets in Seemandhra


HYDERABAD: Gujarat chief minister NarendraModi's Hyderabad visit seems to have helped BJP find probable candidates for polls in the Seemandhra region next year as the 'meeting with elites', held at a private hotel last Sunday, turned out to be an exercise of short-listing party nominees.


If all goes well, the star-studded BJP would be fielding several film stars in the next elections. Among those who met Modi, BJP's chief poll campaign manager, were Ram Gopal Verma, K Raghavendra Rao, D Rama Naidu, Daggubati Rana, Mohan Babu (with his children Manchu Vishnu and Manchu Lakshmi) and Jagapathi Babu.

Others including, Krishnam Raju, Kota Srinivas Rao, Ali, Gouthami, MM Keervani, and VV Vinayak also met him along with industrialists and media barons, including Ch Kiran, the son of Eenadu's Ramoji Rao. As the BJP is scouting for candidates who can win seats for them in Andhra and Rayalaseema, party sources said many of them who called on Modi, are likely to be considered due to their popularity among the masses.

Overwhelmed by the huge turnout at the Hyderabad public meeting, Modi asked BJP leaders to strive hard and convert the positive reaction into votes, and to lay special focus on Seemandhra. "Having been identified as a pro-Telangana party, we see no problem in facing elections in Telangana. However, we need to go for a different approach for Seemandhra. The party is working on many options, but nothing has been finalised as yet," said senior BJP leader and former Union minister Ch Vidyasagar Rao.

While it is not clear about the political prospects of the likes of Ram Gopal Verma, it is almost certain that actor-producer Mohan Babu's two sons, Manchu Vishnu and Manchu Manoj, would either run for Lok Sabha or assembly polls from suitable seats in Chittoor. Mohan Babu, who was Rajya Sabha member from the Telgu Desam Party (TDP), is also said to be weighing options now.

Krishnam Raju, who was elected twice as a BJP candidate and minister in the Atal Bihari Vajapayee cabinet, is likely to make a comeback. The veteran actor is likely to contest from Kakinada or Narasapur Lok Sabha seat, it was learnt.

Actor Kota Srinivas Rao, who had been a BJP MLA and lost from Vijayawada in 2004, wants to make it big this year. However, he is now seeking a re-election, and is expected to contest from Vijayawada (East) assembly segment.

As a majority of the candidates lined up were Kammas, the BJP is understood have been strategizing to build support base in Andhra by fielding them since the community has a stronghold in the region. "The BJP is seen to be a natural choice for Kammas since TDP, the pro-community party, is expected to join hands with the national party to be back in the NDA fold," said a BJP leader.

Amid speculations rife on the possibility of the party aligning with BJP, the meeting of TDP leader and film star Nandamuri Balakrishna with Modi assumed importance. Balakrishna said he called on the BJP prime ministerial aspirant to invite him to his second daughter's wedding.
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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ramana » 16 Aug 2013 10:35

Muppalla what you predicted two years back is happening.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Arunkumar » 16 Aug 2013 11:27

Ramana ji, what is happening in AP? plijj to give hint

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Sushupti » 16 Aug 2013 11:48

ShyamSP wrote:
devesh wrote:...
Pothanna wrote ...


You mean Pothanna whose statue was broken by Ghora, Kirata, Kharkota, buddhiheena Telangana goons. :)

Incidentally he wrote Andhra Maha Bhagavatamu some 600 years ago when Persian derived word Telangana didn't exist.


I always thought Telangana was distortion of Trilanga (Tri + Linga).

"Trailanga Swami" (also Tailang Swami, Telang Swami) (Telugu: త్రిలింగ స్వామి) (reportedly[nb 1] c. 1529 or 1607[2]-1887[2][3]) was a Hindu yogi famed for his spiritual powers who lived in Varanasi, India.

Trailanga Swami was from Vizianagaram in Andhra Pradesh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailanga_Swami

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Aditya_V » 16 Aug 2013 11:57

Sushupti wrote:
harbans wrote:Headlines today is giving results of an opinion poll that is NDA 155/ UPA 137. Can someone say what was the overall position a month back of the opinion polls NDA vs UPA? That was also after the JD (U) parted ways. IIRC it was NDA 130 plus and so too the UPA. NDA gathering steam to 155 in a month from 130 odd seems good.


Funny thing is that NDA is losing seats even after gaining 6% vote compared to 2009.


It is better that people are shown that UPA-3 is certain that things will only worsen for people. It is better people get used to reality.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ShyamSP » 16 Aug 2013 12:08

Congress propping Lady KCR in Seemandhra side :)

http://timesofap.com/politics/fasting-w ... pital.html

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Yagnasri » 16 Aug 2013 12:10

Telugu itself is from Trilinga and from 3 shiva lingas and Telangana is a Parsian word for portion of lands in Nizam kingdom and the word Andhra is quite old one.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ShyamSP » 16 Aug 2013 12:20

Sushupti wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:Incidentally he wrote Andhra Maha Bhagavatamu some 600 years ago when Persian derived word Telangana didn't exist.


I always thought Telangana was distortion of Trilanga (Tri + Linga).

"Trailanga Swami" (also Tailang Swami, Telang Swami) (Telugu: త్రిలింగ స్వామి) (reportedly[nb 1] c. 1529 or 1607[2]-1887[2][3]) was a Hindu yogi famed for his spiritual powers who lived in Varanasi, India.

Trailanga Swami was from Vizianagaram in Andhra Pradesh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailanga_Swami



Telugu is distortion of Trilinga (Trilinga => Telinga => Telanga => Telangu => Telugu)

Andhra is also called Trilinga Desam derived from Three Shaiva Kshetrams from each region (These AP regions are 100-200 year recent and has no meaning in ancient times) - Kaleswaram, Draksharamam, Srisailam

Telangana is from Telangu Khana (Telugu place in Persian)

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ShyamSP » 16 Aug 2013 12:38

apoorv wrote:For our Telugu friends:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Modi-meet-spinoff-Film-stars-directors-vying-for-BJP-tickets-in-Seemandhra/articleshow/21854340.

Modi meet spinoff: Film stars, directors vying for BJP tickets in Seemandhra


INC+TRS+MIM undercurrent needs balance of BJP+TDP. TDP is not explicit but Modi meeting film stars is indirect message to INC and MIM.

INC+YSRC needs to be balanced with BJP+TDP in non-T regions. For this to happen, BJP should shift to equal support to all regions of AP.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Yagnasri » 16 Aug 2013 15:57

That is what they are saying and they say their support to Telangana is based on principles of small states (Why they did not divide AP last time they were in power should not be asked) and they are not against anyone. Raise of Regional and Sub Regional parties in non Hindi states created identity related and caste related politics which BJP seems to be not understanding. BJP do not have any one to raise their voice etc in Higher levels of BJP. In the current agitation BJP can not add anything to TDP in Non Telangana areas and by joining with BJP TDP may lose sicular vote and branded as prodivision party in non Telangana areas. So I do not know if CBN will be joining with BJP even in Telangana areas. He said to have discussing these issues with JJ, Patnaik, Mulayam and Mamatha.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Muppalla » 16 Aug 2013 18:43

Narayana Rao wrote:That is what they are saying and they say their support to Telangana is based on principles of small states (Why they did not divide AP last time they were in power should not be asked) and they are not against anyone. Raise of Regional and Sub Regional parties in non Hindi states created identity related and caste related politics which BJP seems to be not understanding. BJP do not have any one to raise their voice etc in Higher levels of BJP. In the current agitation BJP can not add anything to TDP in Non Telangana areas and by joining with BJP TDP may lose sicular vote and branded as prodivision party in non Telangana areas. So I do not know if CBN will be joining with BJP even in Telangana areas. He said to have discussing these issues with JJ, Patnaik, Mulayam and Mamatha.


BJP+TDP on either side is a winning combination. There is no secular/non-secular vote in either Andhra or Telangana. This is the BS that opportunists propagate.

Regarding BJP and state division, it was always supporting Telangana. It is again a frivolous argument to say it did not do when it was in power. There are always priorities, possibilities and coalition complexities. TDP between 1999 and 2004 is dead against division and NDA until 2004 is dependent on its support. They just followed the coalition dhrama.

Harping on this that BJP as a villain is really a frivolous argument. Discussing whether their small-state policy is good or bad is fine. I want to know how many Telugus opposed the division of MP, Bihar and UP in the same vein as they blame BJP now? They are propagating/doing this as a policy for decades. With respect to Telangana they have not played any politics or done any cheating. They may have done the separation in more cordial manner than what is going on now. They are the most consistent among all those in AP that matters. INC, TDP and YSRC played with two tongues all the while without any clarity. It is just which side of the Durand line you want to be. 2009 December announcement by UPA has made the husband and wife live separately. They have irreconcilable differences. Divorce is imminent and the divorce settlement is going on.

Now who is the reason for this divorce? The fissures are exploited to maximum level by congress party and the TDP failed to stop congress in its game. Again it is easy to blame CBN for all the woes of TDP but I disagree. (success always will have several fathers but failure is always orphan) The balance between menacing A folks and the slow T folks is maintained between 1950 and 1999 using restrictive-growth based economic policies and a massive government balancing act. The economic liberalization drive from 1990s and aggressive removal of state support to day-to-day life is the reason for irreconcilable differences. T folks did not have same speed like the A folks to get on this bandwagon and they see the growing A folks are the reason for their non-growth. As government receded and stopped hiring, the jobs for T folks started coming down. This added to Telangana sentiment and irrespective of any number of arguments you can put, T folks at heart want this divorce.

Once the settlement is done, it is better to live separate. All the rhetoric will die as time goes on. There are several couples who live as friends even after separation and that is what everyone needs to strive hard. It is better to live to the fact that AP is divided and what remains is just a procedure of separation. Dreaming of something else leads to clouded ideas and unnecessary being critical on other nationally important stuff. In addition, suffer isolation on the national platform.

To live as friends and grow separately, the best suited political players are again TDP and BJP only. INC, YSRC and TRS are untrustworthy on both sides for the growth of the region and that is being recognized by both common population and also by those who are the key reasons for AP's future political and economic growth.

Here is the current baseline:
(1) There will be no United-AP platform and that is on its last legs. The agitation will not sustain. Time will kill it.
(2) The politicians, industry and everyone will talk of rights and appropriate division of assets etc. Everyone will just focus on separation only and nothing else.
(4) Politically TRS will have an advantage on T side because of being the party that is born to get T state. INC on this side will align with TRS to take advantage.
(5) Anger against INC as an institution will be highest in the Andhra state and that cannot be cooled down irrespective of whatever INC want to do. Even if INC talks like Modi's with a beautiful big city capital and a lot of goodies no one will trust them. The trust is lost and they even uprooted JLN's statues.

Realistic possibilities:

(1) Irrespective of this separation, dalits, Christians and Muslims have never voted significantly to TDP or BJP. These will solidly go to to YSRC on Andhra side and INC+TRS+MIM on T combine. Trying to get even a one percent of this away is a useless exercise. Those dalits who want to vote to TDP or BJP will vote anyway. But Christians and Muslims will not vote. TDP can wear any number of white caps and do iftars this group will not go away from YSRC, INC, MIM.

(2) TDP and BJP are the recognized pure anti-INC parties and they will get the sympathy due to the anti-INC wave going on. It is about how these parties will behave and exploit this sentiment that will determine the outcome. There should be no doubts about this. YSRC will not get the advantage.

(3) In Telangana state, TRS+INC+MIM is a winning combination but will become sweeping combination if TDP+BJP do not unite. The advantage of Modi leadership will be wasted. TDP knows this and it will be suicidal to go to polls as lost. Hence the silence from even CBN. TDP will ultimately go with BJP in Telangana for sure. They will take the advantage of any delay in the T formation process. In case of a guaranteed state formation, TRS also will have to weigh in going with a sinking ship called as congress party. TRS+BJP+TDP going together is a possibility though it is remote chance. Modi is actually trying for that. In fact if TRS divorces from INC and comes openly out, Modi wants to weigh a competition between TRS and TDP to gain maximum advantage. This is the reason for INC's wet pants.

(4) In Andhra and Rayalaseema, the contest is between TDP and YSRC. The chances of INC's stalwarts running on INC ticket will be very challenging. The industrialists, large scale loyal moneyed barons who are supporting the congress system for generations during good and bad times of dynasty are now hard pressed. The dynasty never ever crossed certain redlines and that was the reason for their multi-generation loyalty. Now this is over and for them they see that c-system is dead and they do not see any hope in Rahul-Priyanka generation. What this means is all these folks have to find a new ship which cannot be regional in nature like TDP or YSRC. This is where Modi is looking promising. That is why all these honchos and their representatives are lining up in front of Modi. What they are looking is a way out and a soft landing of the division. Modi and BJP are making right noises and they may contest on BJP ticket. What this means is a challenge for CBN because his own party is also made up of such folks and the pressure to go together will be very high. BJP not having a single percent vote does not matter after the soft landing of separation issue.

In summary CBN will have to make a choice and the choice is becoming clearer and clearer. Become BJP-B team :)

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Muppalla » 16 Aug 2013 19:11

ramana wrote:Muppalla what you predicted two years back is happening.


If you have observed, about an year ago all these are lining up to Jagan and if you remember, I also said that YSRC is a potential partner for BJP at that time :).

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby devesh » 16 Aug 2013 19:22

It is not clear what BJP hopes to achieve by pandering to filmi dynasties...they need a more organic surge to power. Like in karnataka. Even 2ith temporary setbacks KT is a more solid bjp base. I hope they dont give that up in AP. Negotiating with the famous is Ok. But long term power depends more on sustained ideological base. Not opportunists riding on Modi's coattails

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ShyamSP » 16 Aug 2013 19:45

devesh wrote:It is not clear what BJP hopes to achieve by pandering to filmi dynasties...they need a more organic surge to power. Like in karnataka. Even 2ith temporary setbacks KT is a more solid bjp base. I hope they dont give that up in AP. Negotiating with the famous is Ok. But long term power depends more on sustained ideological base. Not opportunists riding on Modi's coattails


Despite all the T-drama, BJP hasn't gained significant in Telangana and forget about non-T for a few decades. Organic surge can't be possible as long as MIM is clipped.

However, BJP will be player in BJP+TDP to balance INC+TRS+MIM combination in Telangana region. Where this matter is in Adilabad, Nizamabad, Mahabubnagar, Rangareddi, Hyderabad, Khammam districts. Their alliance is purely for winning due to votebank math.

In non-T, if they move to neutral position with respect to Seemandhra interests, They can act as a sponge to INC and PRP leaders who might hesitate to jump to TDP. INC is directing all the YSRC moves to capture Seemandhra anger towards YSRC.

If INC+TRS+YSRC+MIM gets 36 MP seats like before, game is over. Modi goes to jail. CBN goes to Himalayas.
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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Lilo » 16 Aug 2013 19:46

apoorv wrote:For our Telugu friends:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Modi-meet-spinoff-Film-stars-directors-vying-for-BJP-tickets-in-Seemandhra/articleshow/21854340.

Modi meet spinoff: Film stars, directors vying for BJP tickets in Seemandhra


HYDERABAD: Gujarat chief minister NarendraModi's Hyderabad visit seems to have helped BJP find probable candidates for polls in the Seemandhra region next year as the 'meeting with elites', held at a private hotel last Sunday, turned out to be an exercise of short-listing party nominees.


If all goes well, the star-studded BJP would be fielding several film stars in the next elections. Among those who met Modi, BJP's chief poll campaign manager, were Ram Gopal Verma, K Raghavendra Rao, D Rama Naidu, Daggubati Rana, Mohan Babu (with his children Manchu Vishnu and Manchu Lakshmi) and Jagapathi Babu.

Others including, Krishnam Raju, Kota Srinivas Rao, Ali, Gouthami, MM Keervani, and VV Vinayak also met him along with industrialists and media barons, including Ch Kiran, the son of Eenadu's Ramoji Rao. As the BJP is scouting for candidates who can win seats for them in Andhra and Rayalaseema, party sources said many of them who called on Modi, are likely to be considered due to their popularity among the masses.

Overwhelmed by the huge turnout at the Hyderabad public meeting, Modi asked BJP leaders to strive hard and convert the positive reaction into votes, and to lay special focus on Seemandhra. "Having been identified as a pro-Telangana party, we see no problem in facing elections in Telangana. However, we need to go for a different approach for Seemandhra. The party is working on many options, but nothing has been finalised as yet," said senior BJP leader and former Union minister Ch Vidyasagar Rao.

While it is not clear about the political prospects of the likes of Ram Gopal Verma, it is almost certain that actor-producer Mohan Babu's two sons, Manchu Vishnu and Manchu Manoj, would either run for Lok Sabha or assembly polls from suitable seats in Chittoor. Mohan Babu, who was Rajya Sabha member from the Telgu Desam Party (TDP), is also said to be weighing options now.

Krishnam Raju, who was elected twice as a BJP candidate and minister in the Atal Bihari Vajapayee cabinet, is likely to make a comeback. The veteran actor is likely to contest from Kakinada or Narasapur Lok Sabha seat, it was learnt.

Actor Kota Srinivas Rao, who had been a BJP MLA and lost from Vijayawada in 2004, wants to make it big this year. However, he is now seeking a re-election, and is expected to contest from Vijayawada (East) assembly segment.

As a majority of the candidates lined up were Kammas, the BJP is understood have been strategizing to build support base in Andhra by fielding them since the community has a stronghold in the region. "The BJP is seen to be a natural choice for Kammas since TDP, the pro-community party, is expected to join hands with the national party to be back in the NDA fold," said a BJP leader.

Amid speculations rife on the possibility of the party aligning with BJP, the meeting of TDP leader and film star Nandamuri Balakrishna with Modi assumed importance. Balakrishna said he called on the BJP prime ministerial aspirant to invite him to his second daughter's wedding.


The problem with this picture is that it shows that there is no real hero willing to step up.. (not even a minor one )in Telugu land .. These film heroes who can fight 50 guys at a time on screen while together preying on the current young starlet off screen .. Are totally good for nothing lacking any sort of loyalty to any ideology - just like chiranjeevi they will sell themselves to the highest bidder or may begin to act like coverts inside BJP.
Problem is all the existing leaders in Ap have bracketed them selves in narrow caste groupings and bjp is searching for leaders with no caste baggage and one who has appeal panning the caste schims put in place by outgoing INC.

But Instead of these characterless filmi types BJP better search for disillusioned ex leftist types with past organising experience in places like khammam or Vijayawada or Guntur or poach leaders from loksatta party or try to merge it based on its governance and anti-corruption plank.

This however doesn't apply to people who already contested previously on bjp ticket like krishnam raju or kota sninivas rao etc.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby ShyamSP » 16 Aug 2013 20:09

17 days of protests. Now one of them - INC or Seemandhra - have to back down.

Again this is not all effective until they close down Central services. Central INC hardly cares if only AP inside suffers.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby Rony » 16 Aug 2013 20:40

apoorv wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Modi-meet-spinoff-Film-stars-directors-vying-for-BJP-tickets-in-Seemandhra/articleshow/21854340.

Modi meet spinoff: Film stars, directors vying for BJP tickets in Seemandhra

As a majority of the candidates lined up were Kammas, the BJP is understood have been strategizing to build support base in Andhra by fielding them since the community has a stronghold in the region. "The BJP is seen to be a natural choice for Kammas since TDP, the pro-community party, is expected to join hands with the national party to be back in the NDA fold," said a BJP leader.


This is significant and a very good move by BJP. whether it will succeed or not is another matter.The Kammas traditionally supported Commies and later TDP. The ideological types among them have so far tilted towards Communists. Lately, many of them who are disenchanted with the left are looking for an alternative in Right now. As per my bias poll among my friends and colleagues, many of the "rightists" in my circle happen to be kammas and most of them are children/grandson of commie fathers and grandfathers.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby devesh » 16 Aug 2013 21:03

The K's will use and throw BJP like a cond**.
BJP needs ideology to sustain itself. Top down filmi opportunism will not work. They tried it before. They will repeat same mistake again. Temporary magic of Modi will ne used to scare INC and as soon as danget has passed these filmis will go back to caste/clan loyalty.

I find nothing to celebrate in this move.

Caste politics cant be ignored but candidates must come from grassroots. People who can connect with masses.

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Re: AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

Postby shyamoo » 16 Aug 2013 21:12

Regarding the issue of Hyderabad and the claim by SA folks that they helped develop the city or the T region, please read the following:

AVAILABILITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN HYDERABAD STATE BEFORE 1956
(BEFORE MERGER OF TELANGANA STATE WITH ANDHRA STATE)

INDUSTRIES:
Singareni Colleries (Year 1871),
First Spinning Mill (1873),
Phirani Factory (1876),
Govt. Printing Press (1876),
Soda Factory (1910),
Iron Factory (1910),
Deccan Button Factory (1916),
VST Factory (1919),
Chemical Laboratory (1921),
Deccan Glass Factory (1927),
DBR Mills (1929),
Azam Jahi Mills (1931),
RTC (1932),
Nizam Sugar Factory (1937),
Sirpur Paper Mill (1939),
Golconda Cigarette Factory (1941),
Hyderabad State Bank (1942),
Hyderabad Allwyn Metals (1942),
Praga Tools (1943),
Sirsilk (1946),
Hyderabad Asbestos (1946),
Hyderabad Lamination Products (1947).

DEPARTMENTS:
Revenue (1864),
Customs (1866),
Formation of Districts (1866),
Health (1866),
Printing & Stationery (1867),
Endowments (1867),
Forest(1867),
Municipal (1869),
Public Works (1869),
Education (1870),
High Court (1870),
Survey Settlement (1875),
Land Settlement (1876),
Population Census (1881),
Excise (1882),
Police (1883),
Mines (1892),
Industries and Commercial (1892),
Local Fund (1893),
Irrigation (1896),
State Life Insurance Fund (1911),
City Improvement Board (1912),
Agriculture (1913),
Hyderabad Civil Service (1913),
Archaeology (1914),
Akasha vani (Radio) (1932),
Labour (1945).

SCHOOLS, COLLEGES, & UNIVERSITIES:
Darul Uloom School (1856),
Chadarghat School (1872),
Mufi-dul Anaam School (1879),
Alia School (1879),
Secunderabad Mahboob College (1884),
Nizam College (1874),
Nampally Girls School (1887),
Warangal (Telugu) School (1890),
Asafia School (1894),
Medical College (1894),
Viveka Vardhini School (1904),
Mahboobia Girls School (Gunfoundry) (1910),
City College (1920),
Osmania University (1920),
Osmania Medical College (1921),
Hyderabad Public School (1923),
Marwadi Hindi Vidyalaya (1924),
Hindi Vidyalaya Secunderabad (1926),
Physical Education College (1930),
College of Veterinary Science (1946),
Koti Womens College,
Nampally Womens College.

LIBRARIES:
Mudigonda Shankaradyula library, Secunderabad (1872),
Asafia State Central Library (1892),
Bharat Gunvardhak Library, Sha-ali-banda (1895),
Bollaram Lirbary (1896),
Sri Krishnadevaraya Library, Sultan-bazar (1901),
Raja Raja Narendra Library, Hanamkonda (1904),
Vignana Chandrika Library (1905),
Pratapa Rudra Library, Warangal (1913),
Samskruta Kala Vardhini, Secunderabad (1913),
Bala Saraswati Library (1923),
Jogipeta Library, Medak (1930)

LAKES, BRIDGES, AND HISTORICAL BUILDINGS:
Hussainsagar Lake (1562),
Puranapool (1578),
Charminar,
Gulzar House,
Char Kaman (1589-91),
Saroornagar Colony (1793),
Sultan-shahi Mint (1803),
Miralammandi (1805),
Miralam Lake (1806),
Bristish Residency Bhavan (1808),
Chandulal Baradari (1828),
Chadarghat Bridge (1831),
Afzal-gunj Bridge (1859-66),
Post Offices (1862),
Public Gardens (1873),
Falaknuma Palace (1884),
Chanchalguda Jail (1882),
Muslim-Jang Bridge (1884),
Hanuman Vyayamasala (1893),
Raj Bhavan,
High Court Building (1920),
Osmansagar Gandipet (1920),
Himayatsagar Anacut (1927)

CEMENT ROADS:
Construction of cement Roads in Hyderabad 1930

RAILWAY LINE:
Bombay to Raichur (1866),
Mumbai -Secunderabad (1873),
Nizam Railway Board (1874),
Nampally Railway Station (1883)

TELEPHONE NETWORK: (1885),
Nizamia Observatory Telescope (1890),

DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND FLOOD CONTROL MECHANISM:
Underground Drainage System (1909),
Sir Mokshagundam Visvesvaraya, Prepared a Scheme for Flood Protection work and underground drainage for Hyderabad City.

HOSPITALS:
Ayurveda,
Unani Hospital (1890),
Medical College (1894),
Mental Hospital Erragadda (1897),
Jajikhana
Victoria Memorial Nursing Home (1905),
Homeopathy College (1916),
Charminar Unani
Ayurvedic Hospital (1927),
Niloufer Hospital (1925),
Osmania General Hospital (1945),
Gandhi Hospital,
TB Hospital,
Cancer Hospital,
ENT Hospital,
Nizam Orthopaedic Hospital,
Koranti Hospital,
NIMS.

Most of these we built on taxes paid by people of the Telangana region.

So, what exactly did SA folks contribute in the development of Hyderabad/Telangana?
Real estate:
I would not consider speculation in the real estate as investment. Taxes collected under Hyderabad Urban Development is to exclusively for Hyderabad. But as of 2009, more than 3000 crores of this money was siphoned of to Rayalaseema reagion.

Film Industry:
You can probably count the number of Telangan folks in the industry. The people that you can count are generally relegated to buffoon status or backward status. 95% of the folks in this industry are from SA regions.

Other Private industries:
Like the above, most of the people employed by companies created by SA folks are from their region.

These farcial claims of investment and development of the T region by SA people for the benefit of T region is ridiculous. No one has invested in any region for that region's benefit. Only for their benefit.

I'm not going to talk about the govt. jobs for T region folks going to SA folks illegally.

So why exactly should Hyderabad be split between T & SA? Prior to the merger of T region in 1956, SA people ran their state out of tents for 3 years. Why were no plans or efforts made for a building a new capital at that time? For 3 years, they eyed Hyd and lobbied for merger to use Hyd as the capital.

I'm all for a united Andhra, but people should not talk about investment in T/Hyd region as an excuse.


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