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KJoishy wrote:Wiki-ramaditya ( :D TM KJoishy) uvacha
Raja was born as Raja Abel in Visakhapatnam to a Christian mother from London and Hindu father from Andhra Pradesh.[1]
Children born to Hindu mothers and Christian/Muslims father - become Christians/Muslims because of the Christian/Muslim dominance/influence in household from father side.

But strangely and perhaps peculiar only to Hindus, Children born to Hindu father and Christian/Muslims mothers - also become Christians/Muslims because the Hindu father is utterly incompetent in inculcating Hindu pride in his children because he is also a confused moron who peddles "all religions are same. does not matter if my child follows Hinduism or christianity" bull crap EVEN while the Christian/Muslim dominance/influence in household increases from the mother side.
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Based on my experiences this is not necessarily true of Hindus oversees (NRIS), especially USA.
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Bharatiyas/Hindus are a culture-driven society and women are the preservers & caretakers of that culture. Islam/Christianity is usually a dos and donts driven society and men are often the carriers of authority.
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Latest DIEnasty proposal is to form Bhadrachalam as district headquarters for new Manyam(Tribal) District. Hive off tribal agency areas in that area.

bTW Bhadrachalam was in ruins when AP state was merged. Sri Kalluri Chandramouli the Religious Endowments Minister sanctioned the funds and got the temple re-built.

His sons were my classmates in elementary school.
I found out only today!!!
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Rony wrote: Children born to Hindu mothers and Christian/Muslims father - become Christians/Muslims because of the Christian/Muslim dominance/influence in household from father side.

But strangely and perhaps peculiar only to Hindus, Children born to Hindu father and Christian/Muslims mothers - also become Christians/Muslims because the Hindu father is utterly incompetent in inculcating Hindu pride in his children because he is also a confused moron who peddles "all religions are same. does not matter if my child follows Hinduism or christianity" bull crap EVEN while the Christian/Muslim dominance/influence in household increases from the mother side.
Agree, Mahesh Bhupathi is one such fellow.
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ShyamSP wrote: TRS is made up of, besides KCR's friends and family, elements migrated from TDP, INC, BJP. It is important to keep flock together both in the interests of TRS and Congress. Velamas * may stay in TRS but others (Reddys, BCs, SCs) are not guaranteed. Congress wants to push as much as it can so T people vote for them. Beyond that it doesn't want to give T. Even in case of failure to split, it doesn't want to be blamed fully. If TRS merges with INC now, every one is free to move back to their mother-ships. Window of time INC wants to give to "merger"/alliance and elections should be narrow as migrations from TRS will have no impact on elections.

* Chennamaneni faction (BJP's ex-union minister) may want to pull them to BJP so tug-of-war is there between those that want to go with INC and those that want to go with BJP. Reddys want to go back to INC (We have some example of Velamas vs Reddy fights recently for dominance on T-issue).
TV9 - Group war in BJP party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtiCvSCnRa4

No wonder BJP is not able to achieve in AP. There are more of splinters/factions in BJP itself. One comment in video makes is key. If any one wants to join BJP, they are not clear who do they rely on in AP BJP to have support and assurances. No one other than Kishan Reddy faction seem to care about him.
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Rony wrote: Children born to Hindu mothers and Christian/Muslims father - become Christians/Muslims because of the Christian/Muslim dominance/influence in household from father side.
Not necessarily. I know of two instances - Xtian father and Hindu Mother and the kids are non-Xtian. They actually assimilate both sides of their cultures well. And go about as Hindus! In fact one of them proudly proclaimed to an EJ in Aus. that if my own father could not convert me after x years., who the @#$#@$ are you to try to convert me in x hours!! Nice gentleman and nice family to. Of course the EJ started frothing at mouth.

So it is what their parents teach them and how they grow up that matters.
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Got this info from someone who interacts with upper echelons of TDP.

BJP and TDP alliance in AP is a done deal. Telangana will not be given now but it will be given in 2018, when BJP is in power at center. They will have a decentralized approach regarding the capital. Vijayawada and Guntur will have Secretariat and High Court. Ongole, Eluru, Karnool will be other administrative centers.
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For equal justice to happen for all regions, the division in the current form, as forced by Delhi, has to be stopped. So the first thing that has to happen is to defeat the bill in AP Assembly. I've my own doubts whether this can happen when the likes of Botsa are publicly saying that as APCC chief he has to vote for the division but he hopes that rest of the SA MLAs will vote against the division. Then, why can't other ministers like Kanna and Bala raju use the same excuse. From MPs, Panabaka, Krupa Rani, and Jhansi Botsa already stated that they will vote for division. All they need is 28 MLA votes from SA to go the other way. The likelihood of this happening is very good unless there is lot of agitation from the SA people during the assembly debate. Mr Ashok Babu is promising the same. Failing this, even SC cannot stop it even if they find some issues with aricle 371-D.

By miracle, if the current process of division is stopped, the only option left for both sides is to come up with a consensus for division (may take several months). It will be obviously based on mutual give and take. On the outset it looks utopic, but once the one sided state division and the status quo of unity are made impossible, the process will automatically be directed towards consensus as there is no way out. At least, that is my hope.
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gpati wrote:Got this info from someone who interacts with upper echelons of TDP.

BJP and TDP alliance in AP is a done deal. Telangana will not be given now but it will be given in 2018, when BJP is in power at center. They will have a decentralized approach regarding the capital. Vijayawada and Guntur will have Secretariat and High Court. Ongole, Eluru, Karnool will be other administrative centers.

very interesting! having multiple centers serving capital functions is a complex game that reflects the existing elite forces in contention for power.

but I'm not sure about 2018 for T. if T doesn't happen now, it will never happen. for T, it's now or never.

if BJP doesn't vote for T now, then INC will not vote for T when BJP is in power. so, essentially, T is unlikely to happen if BJP decides to vote against it if the bill comes up for vote in 2014.
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Regarding AP everything is a new rumor. :)
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Muppalla wrote:Regarding AP everything is a new rumor. :)
+10^100000000000000 :D

I think the whole thing is a charade. Nothing is going to come out of it except suicide of kongis in AP. Basically, kongis were wiped out of UP and Vihar in 1990s due to Ram-Janma Bhoomi and Mandal issue. But, kongis were able to survive in AP, MH and KT. Guj was always a Lotus bastion. Vangal and Kerala were left bastions.

AP, MH and KT are the roots of power for kongis. These regions provide seats and money. TDP was able to kill the kongis in AP. But, Yesu Reddy managed to resurrect it, partly due to the policies of CBN. Yesu Reddy was able to do that because kongis still had considerable roots in AP even though they were out of power for 10+ yrs. But, now they have burnt the party from its roots.

So, now kongis are wiped out of AP just as they were wiped out of UP and Vihar. In the short term, the space ceded by the kongis will be occupied by the TDP(& other caste parties) and kongi B teams(parties that splinter from the kongis). In the long term(say 10-15 yrs), the space will be occupied by Lotus or other Hindhuthva parties. The same can be seen in UP and Vihar.

In UP and Vihar, one can witness the second phase(the first phase was wiping out of the kongis). The space ceded by the kongis was immediately occupied by the 'third-front parties'. In the second phase, the political space is now being taken over by the lotus. The same will also be true in the case of AP. In AP, we are the seeing the first phase i.e. wiping out of the kongis.

What it means for the country at large is that the kongis can never again form a sarkaar on their own. They can only form a third-front kind of sarkaars from now on. Kongis are now the new left. But unlike the left, kongi system is based on a single dynasty which cannot survive without power. So, unlike the left, the kongis are not going to survive for long.

I have personally switched out of the news on AP because its a new circus everyday. As you rightly put it, its a new rumour everyday. Nothing has any credibility. Until something comes out officially(and I don't mean digvijay kind of official but really official i.e. bill passed in parliament and signed by the prez), its not believable. All is maya...

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But, there is one great lesson in all this drama:
the politicians don't give heck about people. They are only and only interested in their power and perks. They don't even fear the electorate. Because they think that their power comes to them from the party. So, they are first loyal to their own interests, and then they are loyal to their parties. People and their welfare is not even an issue.

The only way, it seems to me, to solve this issue is by having some king of recall in the system so that the elected representatives fear and respect the electorate. The representatives must be loyal to people first and foremost. Loyalty to party must be secondary. That can only be enforced if there is a recall system of some kind.
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all of you overestimate the damage to INC.
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Congress "leaders" in AP are too deeply involved with mafia. They have no life outside on long term basis. But there is considerable damage to it and in one or two elections they may lose. If there is no new political force absorbing them they will try to remain in mafia and come back to power.

In mafia loses power in Delhi and MH at the same time and if it is evident that mafia may not be coming back in power there, then also they will look for other greener pastures.
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johneeG wrote:The only way, it seems to me, to solve this issue is by having some king of recall in the system so that the elected representatives fear and respect the electorate. The representatives must be loyal to people first and foremost. Loyalty to party must be secondary. That can only be enforced if there is a recall system of some kind.
First past the post voting has encouraged this behavior, so it suffices for politicos to put together nurtured vote banks. But it becomes difficult to put together a vote-bank coalition which goes above 50% of the electorate of a constituency.

Need of the day is to introduce run-off voting among the best two candidates if none gets over 50% of votes.

That would completely change the way politicians approach elections.

Off-topic!
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Narayana Rao wrote:Congress "leaders" in AP are too deeply involved with mafia. They have no life outside on long term basis. But there is considerable damage to it and in one or two elections they may lose. If there is no new political force absorbing them they will try to remain in mafia and come back to power.

In mafia loses power in Delhi and MH at the same time and if it is evident that mafia may not be coming back in power there, then also they will look for other greener pastures.
TV9 - We will oppose Telangana bill in Assembly - APNGOs Ashok Babu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRk_S0c_EAQ

To put pressure on MLAs in Central Mafia clutches, even AP NGOs are planning to put pressure through protests if the bill comes to Assembly. They are saying MPs are hopeless to rely on so they want to control non-T MLAs at least.

AP CM KKR took complete control of Assembly through "Prorouge" so only he can only call Assembly instead of alternative ways of bill going through Governor, Speaker, or any other Governor passes bill to. It is also known CM KKR control these AP NGOs protests in indirect way.

Bottomline, Telangana or United AP are both in INC hands. Like BJP Venkaiah Naidu said, "On Telangana issue, Central INC proposes, State INC disposes"
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johneeG wrote:Basically, kongis were wiped out of UP and Vihar in 1990s due to Ram-Janma Bhoomi and Mandal issue. But, kongis were able to survive in AP, MH and KT. Guj was always a Lotus bastion. Vangal and Kerala were left bastions.

AP, MH and KT are the roots of power for kongis. These regions provide seats and money. TDP was able to kill the kongis in AP. But, Yesu Reddy managed to resurrect it, partly due to the policies of CBN. Yesu Reddy was able to do that because kongis still had considerable roots in AP even though they were out of power for 10+ yrs. But, now they have burnt the party from its roots.

So, now kongis are wiped out of AP just as they were wiped out of UP and Vihar. In the short term, the space ceded by the kongis will be occupied by the TDP(& other caste parties) and kongi B teams(parties that splinter from the kongis). In the long term(say 10-15 yrs), the space will be occupied by Lotus or other Hindhuthva parties. The same can be seen in UP and Vihar.
AP and MH Assembly elections are in 2014. Congress could receive a jolt!
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Again hats off to RamaY for predicting that KKR and APNGOs interests converge and they will come together.
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ShyamSP wrote:To put pressure on MLAs in Central Mafia clutches, even AP NGOs are planning to put pressure through protests if the bill comes to Assembly. They are saying MPs are hopeless to rely on so they want to control non-T MLAs at least.
What a pity! and loser talk by Loksabha MP and Central minister.

http://timesofap.com/politics/continuin ... -raju.html
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http://www.apvedika.com/Jeevitha-Rajase ... pNvv8P8t0g

Jeevitha Rajasekhar to join BJP? Does this actually mean anything anywhere? Is it newsworthy, at least?
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nageshks wrote:http://www.apvedika.com/Jeevitha-Rajase ... pNvv8P8t0g

Jeevitha Rajasekhar to join BJP? Does this actually mean anything anywhere? Is it newsworthy, at least?
No time right now. Roja from Lilo's post and this post will need elaborate answer. Later when free I will write. Jeevitha getting into BJP means that TDP and BJP alliance may have been solidified and BJP may have decided to keep the state united for now if an amendment is needed.

Jeevitha and her husband are out right YSR folks. But a lot of these are not comfortable with Jagan. In addition they cannot just get into TDP. Hence they are all looking for a slow land fall of the state split/or stop the state split. My theory of more money bags will flock BJP if they take Seemandhra side instead of poooor Telangana may be coming to true.

Note: the things are flux and a lot of psyops are going on. INC has one way that is simple split the state without any ambiguity to cut the crap. off cource they will lose the SA region for sure anyway.
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Muppalla wrote: Jeevitha and her husband are out right YSR folks. But a lot of these are not comfortable with Jagan. In addition they cannot just get into TDP. Hence they are all looking for a slow land fall of the state split/or stop the state split. My theory of more money bags will flock BJP if they take Seemandhra side instead of poooor Telangana may be coming to true.

that pretty much sums it up. if BJP really wants to put a dent in INC, then poaching the Coast is the best way to go.

it's a lesson. the moneyed-elites will ultimately have something that commons will not have. it's a lesson that Telangana also needs to learn. leverage the advantages of the region and establish their own business and entrepreneurial networks. in the long run, that is the only solution against the imperial ambitions of the Kosta elites.
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nageshks wrote:http://www.apvedika.com/Jeevitha-Rajase ... pNvv8P8t0g

Jeevitha Rajasekhar to join BJP? Does this actually mean anything anywhere? Is it newsworthy, at least?
Generally these kinds are:
Congress ==> No power in Congress ==> YSRC ===> YSRC rejects ===> No entry in TDP ===> BJP

All rejects end up in BJP :D

Besides being rejects, these actors have 0 influence in their own community vote banks, and obviosuly in general votebanks.
Vijayasanthi is better positioned as she maybe doing seat-warming of Medhak MP seat for Gandhi family.

Jeevitha (Kapu), Rajasekhar (Tamilnadu Kamma), Jayapradha (Padmasali - BC), Roja (Reddy), Vijayasanthi (BC - Kapu)
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Lok Satta passes TDP resolution?
http://www.apherald.com/Politics/ViewAr ... solution-/

"Sources say that both Lok Satta and TDP are aware that in between them they are splitting the voters belonging to IT industry, Kammas and the educated middle class. It was reported that close to 10-15 seats was won by Congress in 2009 due to this factor apart from PRP factor.

Hence Lok Satta is all set for an electoral alliance with TDP in 2014"
Good, Finally JP is coming to senses. Loksatta was another party apart from PRP that caused split in TDP votes in 2009.
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Something for all of us to ponder about. Sushma wants an alliance (of sorts) with Jagan, while fully backing Telangana. Leaving all of SeemaAndhra to Jagan seems to be her brilliant strategy, while getting a zero in Telangana thanks to the Congress and the TRS. The woman must be smoking something potent, or else, is trying to wreck Modi as much as possible.

http://www.apherald.com/Politics/ViewAr ... on-Jagan-/
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nageshks wrote:Something for all of us to ponder about. Sushma wants an alliance (of sorts) with Jagan, while fully backing Telangana. Leaving all of SeemaAndhra to Jagan seems to be her brilliant strategy, while getting a zero in Telangana thanks to the Congress and the TRS. The woman must be smoking something potent, or else, is trying to wreck Modi as much as possible.

http://www.apherald.com/Politics/ViewAr ... on-Jagan-/
This is a theory that she is in the hands of congress which I was trying not to fall for. Apherald etc are some gossip sites run by some biased folks and hence I still will not get there.
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Muppalla wrote:
nageshks wrote:Something for all of us to ponder about. Sushma wants an alliance (of sorts) with Jagan, while fully backing Telangana. Leaving all of SeemaAndhra to Jagan seems to be her brilliant strategy, while getting a zero in Telangana thanks to the Congress and the TRS. The woman must be smoking something potent, or else, is trying to wreck Modi as much as possible.

http://www.apherald.com/Politics/ViewAr ... on-Jagan-/
This is a theory that she is in the hands of congress which I was trying not to fall for. Apherald etc are some gossip sites run by some biased folks and hence I still will not get there.
Ignoring the gossip site, this is something we discussed in BRF threads.

There is corrupt relationship among Gali, YSR, Sushma then, and now Jagan, Gali, Kishan. Sushma and Kishan from BJP, whether BJP folks here like it or not, were or have been funded with corrupt money. Question is whether what Sushama did is brilliance or stupidity is something in the eye of beholder. One result we saw in Karnatak already. There is strong reason to err on stupidity/dirty side. We don't need to wait for things to unfold in AP.

If Sushma wants to ally with criminal and corrupt gang of YSRC why did they push Yeddy out who by any "India political corrupt" standards is a clean person on a mere corruption charges.
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ShyamSP wrote: There is corrupt relationship among Gali, YSR, Sushma then, and now Jagan, Gali, Kishan. Sushma and Kishan from BJP, whether BJP folks here like it or not, were or have been funded with corrupt money. Question is whether what Sushama did is brilliance or stupidity is something in the eye of beholder. One result we saw in Karnatak already. There is strong reason to err on stupidity/dirty side. We don't need to wait for things to unfold in AP.
I will not comment on the AP bits, since I am not knowledgeable enough, ShyamSP-ji. But, in Karnataka, the problems with Yeddy had precious little to do with the Reddy brothers. Yeddy was forced out by the extreme nepotism in Karnataka BJP. Both Yeddy and AK practised (and still practise) nepotism on a scale rarely matched, and when AK got the upper hand by sheer force of circumstances, he went on to make things very uncomfortable for Yeddy. But it is not just AK - Yeddy did the same thing, and he never allowed any Karnataka chief minister, even a minute of peace to work for the development of Karnataka. Yeddy was just as keen to push his larger than life image on to the party, and he damaged it as much as he could.
If Sushma wants to ally with criminal and corrupt gang of YSRC why did they push Yeddy out who by any "India political corrupt" standards is a clean person on a mere corruption charges.
I don't honestly think Sushma wants to ally with the YSR gang, or even cares about who the BJP is aligned with. The Reddy brothers have left the BJP, and her colleague in arms, AK is disgraced. She is playing for her influence against Modi in the BJP. I suspect this matter will come to a head sooner or later.

ShyamSP-ji,
A few questions I would appreciate answers from you. Why is every survey putting the YSR Congress above the TDP in terms of vote share and seats in SeemaAndhra? Most surveys I have seen until today are giving TDP some 8-10 seats, while YSR Congress gets 13 seats or so. Exactly why has CBN lost so much inlfuence in SeemaAndhra? And why is CBN keen on an alliance with the BJP, if the BJP has so little vote share in SeemaAndhra? Exactly what does CBN hope to gain by allying with the BJP?
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Muppalla wrote: Jeevitha and her husband are out right YSR folks. But a lot of these are not comfortable with Jagan. In addition they cannot just get into TDP. Hence they are all looking for a slow land fall of the state split/or stop the state split. My theory of more money bags will flock BJP if they take Seemandhra side instead of poooor Telangana may be coming to true.
devesh wrote: that pretty much sums it up. if BJP really wants to put a dent in INC, then poaching the Coast is the best way to go.

it's a lesson. the moneyed-elites will ultimately have something that commons will not have. it's a lesson that Telangana also needs to learn. leverage the advantages of the region and establish their own business and entrepreneurial networks. in the long run, that is the only solution against the imperial ambitions of the Kosta elites.
I was saying this for over couple of years. If we always see from an angle that kosta folks as some villians or some imperial ambitions it is a mistake.

In a capitalistic world (India is capitalistic country and thinking otherwise is false belief) that is how the entire world is running. Folks having money will invest to earn money. They will buy land use it and make money. The folks who has no money learns the skills and work for some company/institution that pays to get their work done. Over a period of time they scale up in lives. Over a period of time recycling also happens. Basic stuff but competition to make more leads to cutting corners all over the world. Land grabs is one of those. Making deals with those who can make it for you is another. Networking with like minded is also part of this trade.

I repeat again, what Telangana needed really was something that J&K, Himachal or Nagaland got. An clear cut restriction for other to buy and sell land or apply jobs because due to 100s of years of Nizam's oppression they lost the competitive edge of being entrepreneurs and competitiveness because of lack of needed education. They needed a restrictive thing where others are not in contention while they grow to competitive levels.

In fact why even the T-region has more T-sentiment now than in 1960s? How did the leadership rolled back the T-Sentiment of 60s/70s? Why is NTR popular but CBN is very unpopular? Why is YSR got more pull in T-region? Answer is very simple - it is always throwing more populist schemes, throwing more entitlements. CBN removed all and hence most hated. CBN removed and reduced government jobs where as others created useless government jobs everywhere. It is simple that T-region did not adjust to PVNR type reforms like the other regions. Rayalaseema also adjusted to reforms even though it is backward because again it is self-individual driven motivation to grow in whatever the ground play is available. T-folks are not like that.

Now that 60 years have passed and a new state or unified state, this disaster is not going to go away unless Modi style skill development to masses and also investments to get those skill utilization occurs in T-region. If the population lives lazily someone else will take those jobs as well (anywhere from India can move anywhere).

Other than hard feelings and jealousy towards neighbors, nothing is going to be achieved. The bottom line problems of T-region is never documented without references/comparison to coastal folks and that is the problem. The solutions are always finding/aspiring something agrarian rather than skills/enterprnural. This is why Naxals find more sympathy than regular stuff. They also are good at exploiting the innocent only.

I wish vishnua is there and he clearly wrote how Naxals actually help the coastal settled folks in T-villages and loot only from T-folks.
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nageshks wrote:I don't honestly think Sushma wants to ally with the YSR gang, or even cares about who the BJP is aligned with. The Reddy brothers have left the BJP, and her colleague in arms, AK is disgraced. She is playing for her influence against Modi in the BJP. I suspect this matter will come to a head sooner or later.
It is not about Sushma working on some gangs. It looks like she is working in cross purposes where BJP overall does not cross 150 to 155. In such a situation she is the candidate of NDA. INC and its B-team members should not be decimated completed in order for that to happen. This is where her irritating things are:
(1) doing too much Telangana and irritating the other side and not leaving room for rest of the BJP to do some realpolitik
(2) hobnobbing with Ajit Singh and telling clearly there will be no alliances with Chautala (again no realpolitik)
(3) not being aggressive on taking over the government
(4) unnecessarly raking up Sonia's foreign citizenship

Simply put, where ever you have to do some bending to defeat INC and its children, she comes as someone opposing.

She is simply not doing things with a strategy and following an independent path. Atleast this is the impressions she is giving.
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Muppalla wrote:
nageshks wrote:I don't honestly think Sushma wants to ally with the YSR gang, or even cares about who the BJP is aligned with. The Reddy brothers have left the BJP, and her colleague in arms, AK is disgraced. She is playing for her influence against Modi in the BJP. I suspect this matter will come to a head sooner or later.
It is not about Sushma working on some gangs. It looks like she is working in cross purposes where BJP overall does not cross 150 to 155. In such a situation she is the candidate of NDA. INC and its B-team members should not be decimated completed in order for that to happen. This is where her irritating things are:
(1) doing too much Telangana and irritating the other side and not leaving room for rest of the BJP to do some realpolitik
(2) hobnobbing with Ajit Singh and telling clearly there will be no alliances with Chautala (again no realpolitik)
(3) not being aggressive on taking over the government
(4) unnecessarly raking up Sonia's foreign citizenship

Simply put, where ever you have to do some bending to defeat INC and its children, she comes as someone opposing.

She is simply not doing things with a strategy and following an independent path. Atleast this is the impressions she is giving.
Muppalla-ji,
You may well be right about many of the things. However, when it comes to INLD, she and Chauthala have a long running feud that goes back to the 80s. Sushma was beaten up by goons belonging to the Chauthala party (well - they were Devi Lal's goons then, but it all comes to the same thing in the end). She has never forgiven Chauthala and his dad for it, and she is not shy about cutting them down to size as much as she can. It is old rivalry and hatreds that die hard at work there.
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Nageshks, When the need of the hour it to ensure INC/UPA is defeated. She should learn to set aside her personal issues and try to work for the goal. She will always have time later once power is there.
Right now without power its like defanged cobra.
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ramana wrote:Nageshks, When the need of the hour it to ensure INC/UPA is defeated. She should learn to set aside her personal issues and try to work for the goal. She will always have time later once power is there.
Right now without power its like defanged cobra.
This is true. However, another thought struck me. Is this part of the BJP's own orchestrated strategy? Make CBN believe that the BJP might ally with YSR Congress, so that they can extract the best possible price from the TDP (After all, BJP owes CBN no favours. They should extract the maximum price they can)? Similarly, make Chauthala believe that they might go with the HJC to extract the best possible price from him? Also, by keeping an alternate line open, they might want to ensure that Chauthala plays fair (last time they allied, in the Assembly elections, Chauthala sabotaged the BJP in about 5-10 constituencies by fielding his proxy candidates).
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nageshks wrote:ShyamSP-ji,
A few questions I would appreciate answers from you. Why is every survey putting the YSR Congress above the TDP in terms of vote share and seats in SeemaAndhra? Most surveys I have seen until today are giving TDP some 8-10 seats, while YSR Congress gets 13 seats or so. Exactly why has CBN lost so much inlfuence in SeemaAndhra? And why is CBN keen on an alliance with the BJP, if the BJP has so little vote share in SeemaAndhra? Exactly what does CBN hope to gain by allying with the BJP?
Yellow media. INC media at national level and YSRC media in Telugu write positive towards YSRC, YSR, Jagan. Surveys by them are also biased. Recent Panchayat elections is best example surverys didn't match what YSRC and its media was claiming. Although not clean elections, but it was real data of voting. You might be already aware of how national media is with respect to INC. Same case here.
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ramana wrote:Nageshks, When the need of the hour it to ensure INC/UPA is defeated. She should learn to set aside her personal issues and try to work for the goal. She will always have time later once power is there.
Right now without power its like defanged cobra.
nageshks wrote: This is true. However, another thought struck me. Is this part of the BJP's own orchestrated strategy? Make CBN believe that the BJP might ally with YSR Congress, so that they can extract the best possible price from the TDP (After all, BJP owes CBN no favours. They should extract the maximum price they can)? Similarly, make Chauthala believe that they might go with the HJC to extract the best possible price from him? Also, by keeping an alternate line open, they might want to ensure that Chauthala plays fair (last time they allied, in the Assembly elections, Chauthala sabotaged the BJP in about 5-10 constituencies by fielding his proxy candidates).
Not all are so foolish to fall for this good cop and bad cop stuff. These are folks that are in politics for many decades and they understand the ground realities along with limitations of BJP.
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Jagan meets Pawar, Uddhav Thackeray to stop bifurcation
http://www.apnewscorner.com/news/film/d ... ation.html

YSR Congress chief Jaganmohan Reddy met NCP president Sharad Pawar and Shiv Sena leader Uddhav Thackeray here Monday to oppose division of Andhra Pradesh.

While Pawar did not give any concrete assurance on the issue, Reddy was booed by a group of pro-Telangana activists outside the Thackeray residence.

The Nationalist Congress Party (NCP) had earlier supported Telangana, but Pawar took note of Reddy's arguments that the state legislature should be taken into confidence and amendment to Article 3 of the constitution for carving out a new state.

"Reddy's suggestion is the central government should not bypass the state legislature while taking a decision on Article 3 of the constitution. It is time to give it a second thought," Pawar said.

Reddy's parleys here came as part of his similar meetings held with President Pranab Mukherjee, West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee and Odisha Chief Minister Naveen Patnaik, seeking their intervention to stop the division of Andhra Pradesh.
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AjayKK wrote:Jagan meets Pawar, Uddhav Thackeray to stop bifurcation
INC sets up TRS as attack dogs on Seemandhra leaders and people. All abuse is attributable to TRS, INC is saint (Mercenaries)

INC sets up T-INC leaders as devotees of Mata Sonia and urging people to pray. Amma brought food and ghee and fought with Rakshas and liberated our land (cult slaves)

INC sets up Seemandhra leaders as helpless fighters for United AP. We're not chosen people and helpless to defend. (field slaves)

INC sets up CM as rebel fighter and unsung hero against unyielding Amma (Rebel field Slave, Captain AP)

INC sets up PCC president as loyal servant (the house slave)

INC sets up YSRC as Savior for Seemandhra people. Savior goes to other lands to save AP land. Saviors' yellow media propagates him as bringing nation against bifurcation (Mercenary Savior)
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ramana ji,

time to take into account Pawar/NCP in your simulations in Mesquita's program.

this is Deccan Sultanate redux. sthana balam dictates that it is not a far-fetched idea for regional strongmen in AP/KT/MH to come together.
happened in history just 450 years ago.

Pawar might be planning his successor's future. he wants to ensure his childrens' safety and prosperity in power. that's his top priority right now. that thinking might lead him to make unpredictable choices according to conventional wisdom.
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there is no AP land. there is no "other lands".
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