Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby jrjrao » 28 Jan 2004 14:53

LA Times lead edit today:
[url=http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-pakistan28jan28,1,2872414.story?coll=la-news-comment-editorials]Pakistan and Proliferation - Musharraf has to ensure that rogue states are not given nuclear know-how
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Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf likes to portray himself as a key U.S. ally in the war on terror, shoulder-to-shoulder in battling the Taliban and Al Qaeda. So it must have been hard for him to admit that Pakistan probably dabbled in spreading nuclear weaponry to rogue states. When faced with overwhelming evidence from international inspectors, Musharraf grudgingly acknowledged that Pakistani scientists appear to have sent nuclear designs and perhaps technology to countries trying to clandestinely develop atomic weapons.

In Libya, U.S., European and International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors scouring the country after Moammar Kadafi's decision to give up his nuclear weapons program found technology for enriching uranium that appears to have come from Pakistan. Pakistan is also believed to have exchanged know-how with North Korea.

Musharraf said last week that top Pakistani scientists seem to have sold nuclear designs "for personal financial gain," but he denied that any government or military officials were involved. That is not a believable assertion. For much of Pakistan's history since 1947, the military and government have been one and the same, directly involved in all aspects of the nuclear program. Musharraf himself seized power in a military coup in 1999.

Pakistan's army rule stifles development of civilian institutions — judiciary, the media, political parties — that might have blown the whistle on the accused nuclear transfers. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, which is holding hearings today on the improvement in relations between India and Pakistan, should use the occasion to discuss ways to stop Pakistan's technology sales. The committee and the Bush administration also should urge Musharraf to remove restraints on mainstream political parties that produced the country's past civilian prime ministers. Musharraf has allied himself with Islamic parties, keeping some candidates from secular parties off the ballot.

Although a nuclear-free South Asia is a worthy goal, it is not realistic to expect Pakistan to give up its own nuclear weapons as long as India, the neighbor with which it has fought three wars, has its own. That is a separate issue from requiring Musharraf to prevent his scientists from shipping more nuclear technology abroad.

Musharraf has agreed to peace talks with India. He can start forging a lasting peace if he keeps Islamic radicals — some of whom tried to kill him last month — from crossing into Indian-held Kashmir to attack civilians and soldiers. These are important developments in a volatile region. Just as important is to ensure that Pakistan does not help spread nuclear knowledge to anyone who can pay.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby jrjrao » 28 Jan 2004 14:56

Kamran Khan's report in the Wash. Post:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54334-2004Jan27.html?nav=hptop_tb]Pakistanis Exploited Nuclear Network
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby jrjrao » 28 Jan 2004 15:38

Beg is feeelin' the heat too. Wants to hide behind Benazir's skirt.

"Benazir adopted nuclear restraint policy": Beg
He said that during her first tenure as prime minister (1988-90), Bhutto, along with former President Ghulam Ishaq Khan, had adopted a policy of slowing down towards enrichment of ninety per cent of uranium and decidedly prevented any nuclear test.

Pakistan was "certainly capable of making nuclear weapons" and had delivery system. "If Pakistan had liked then it could terrify India with its unbeatable nuclear power", he was quoted as saying.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby SSridhar » 28 Jan 2004 16:42

Originally posted by Rangudu:
Originally posted by SSridhar:
[b]This is another lie. Pakistan and China agreed on transfer of M-11 missiles in 1988, much before Pakistan even placed orders for the F-16 in 1989.
Anything to substantiate this?[/b]
Rangudu, Here it is.
China reportedly began discussing possible sales to Pakistan of M-11 missiles and related technology in the late 1980s. The contract for the M-11 sale was reportedly signed in 1988. In April 1991, the United States announced that it had discovered the transfer of an M-11 missile even though China insisted it had never shipped the system to Pakistan.
1988 was significant for another reason when CSS-2 was delivered to KSA.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby raniofjhansi » 28 Jan 2004 17:24

US draws a line on Pakistan's nuclear program By Syed Saleem Shahzad in asia times.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Vijay J » 28 Jan 2004 18:07

MSNBC is turning out giant amounts of garbage.

This means that the Protect Pakistani H&D machine is in overdrive.

Watch the signs people!

1) Powell plays it cool.

2) Mansoor Ijaz dances around but then cools off.

3) Pervez Hoodbhoy is silent.

4) News networks are more focussed on the Democratic primary.

This is has all the hallmarks of the automated fire suppression mechanism working at full flow.

Someone is keen to stamp this thing out before it gets too big to put out. All the Pakistanis have to do at this stage is make it seem like they are serious about doing something and the whole media show will die out quickly.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby ramana » 28 Jan 2004 18:54

b) those guys who met al Qaida people were from PAEC and not from Khan Research Labs. Bashir Mehmood was the director of the Khushab facility.

This should be highlighted in the US media by sustained letter writing campaign.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Amber G. » 28 Jan 2004 19:15

When was this Kissinger quote from? Where did he make that statement?
R. That was from an Interview on CNN around 1998, just after Pokhran II. Interestingly he talked about 'genuine security thread to Inida' and defended those tests and said that (then in 1998) the sanctions would be a mistake on US part. What I still remember, was he was very articulate in in describing "how pakis will lie" and one can not trust Pakis (Guess, he changed his views from 1971's)

I don't know how to search for transcripts. This may be the one of those interviews but it does not contain full transcripts and does not have the above quotes.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby varun » 28 Jan 2004 19:20

Originally posted by Singh:
US draws a line on Pakistan's nuclear program By Syed Saleem Shahzad in asia times.
from the link above,

This graphic is interesting...

:D :p :eek:

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Kuttan » 28 Jan 2004 19:20

All the Pakistanis have to do at this stage is make it seem like they are serious about doing something and the whole media show will die out quickly.
As always, I have faith in the Paki junta. They'll think of something... :rotfl:

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Umrao » 28 Jan 2004 20:24

Libyan booty will nail Pak lie
CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 28, 2004 03:02:39 PM ]
WASHINGTON : In a becalming example of the steps involved in a peaceful defanging of a so-called rogue state, American transport planes have been flying tonnes of highly sensitive Libyan nuclear material back to the United States for inspection following Washington ’s deal with Col. Gaddafi to give up pursuit of weapons of mass destruction .
(Muammar Gaddafi
Libya has said that it got nuke tech from Pakistan . )

Two C-17 transport planes loaded with equipment -- including centrifuge parts used to enrich uranium and guidance systems for long range missiles -- have landed at the McGhee airport outside Knoxville , Tennessee in the last week. The airstrip is close to Oakridge National Laboratory, a US government facility which will get first dibs on the WMD booty.
The analysis is also expected to show to what extent Pakistan and other countries are involved in proliferating sensitive technology to Libya .
The equipment and literature is part of some 55,000 pounds of material that Libya handed over to the US under a deal reportedly engineered by Col. Gaddafi’s western-educated son.
American officials say the shipment was a sign of "real progress" since Gaddafi pledged in December to abandon efforts to acquire nuclear, chemical and biological weapons.
Praising Gaddafi for his "courageous decision to give up his weapons," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said, "As the Libyan government takes these essential steps and demonstrates its seriousness, its good faith will be returned."
The expectation is Washington will lift sanctions on Libya once it satisfies itself that Gaddafi's change of heart is genuine.
The Libya episode has raised further questions about how the Bush administration intends to deal with renegade states in possession or in pursuit of WMD
Secretary of State Colin Powell has said the administration intended to look "aggressively" at reports that Libya obtained much of its nuclear technology from Pakistan .
"We know that there have been cases where individuals in Pakistan have worked in these areas," Powell said, seemingly buying Islamabad ’s explanation that any possible sale or transfer of nuclear technology was the work of greedy rogue scientists .
But privately, US officials are not so sanguine. There is vast skepticism in US non-proliferation circles about whether Pakistani scientists could have leaked any nuclear technology without the knowledge of the military and intelligence which kept a right oversight on the program.
Developments in Pakistan -- where the military is trying to pin the rap on the scientists, whose families in turn are blaming the military -– suggest that Islamabad ’s security establishment, which typically runs the country, at least knew of the goings-on.
Although US officials have never discussed the matter in public, there has been speculation in proliferation study circles that Washington has "plans" to take control of Pakistan ’s nuclear programme in the event of a danger of it falling into the hands of fundamentalist elements.
The matter has acquired a more urgent resonance as radical forces have moved centrestage and recent revelations about proliferation, possibly from the highest-ranking scientific and military circles.
US analysts discount a smash-and-grab operation against Pakistan , but the Libya deal has demonstrated that world powers can denuclearise Pakistan , possibly with security assurances.
There is also talk in some quarters that now -- when it has been caught proliferating -- is the most opportune moment for Washington to put the squeeze on Pakistan .
Probably in anticipation of such pressure, Pakistani leaders and officials have been asserting with increasingly stridency the country’s nuclear status and its determination to strengthen and enhance it rather than roll it back.

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Gentle readers please visit the the thread
'Mushy we've come long ways' and the song
Great Balls of Pu Fire.

Also noted SA pundits teaching and preaching SD about Pakistan is "Rational Nooklear Power" may have to revise their curriculum to reflect the truth, atleast partially . :D
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You broke my will, oh what a kill
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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Alok Niranjan » 28 Jan 2004 20:25

Can't say whether this news item is a simple plant or whether there is any truth to it:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2001845426_qaida28.html

but in my mind, this is the only reason that Mush is getting "unstinted support" from the US.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Rye » 28 Jan 2004 20:43

[quote]Originally posted by narayanan:
As always, I have faith in the Paki junta. They'll think of something... :)

I firmly believe that the missteps by the Indian govt. are corrected solely because of the paki army demonstrating their pakiness over and over again.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby suryavir » 28 Jan 2004 20:49

Fox News is also reporting this story...attributing it to the Chicago Tribune. If true, it certainly could be one of those historical moments. On the other hand, with the amount of duplicity we have seen in the last 2 + years, it is too early to put too much stock in the report.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby jarugn » 28 Jan 2004 21:11

Pakistan exploited illicit Libya-Iran nuclear network and got caught.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A54334-2004Jan27.html?nav=hptop_tb

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby jarugn » 28 Jan 2004 21:19

Xerox Khan now officially linked to proliferation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56273-2004Jan28.html

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby James Bund » 28 Jan 2004 21:25

"If Pakistan had liked then it could terrify India with its unbeatable nuclear power", he was quoted as saying.

Yeah and if I wanted to I could do string theory and win a Nobel by year-end.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Umrao » 28 Jan 2004 22:15

Shri Raman's take

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20040127&fname=raman&sid=1

Pakistan is the original birth place of the concept of the nuclear jihad, which highlighted the need for an Islamic atomic bomb and advocated the right and the religious obligation of the Muslims to acquire weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and use them, if necessary, to protect their religion. The jihadi terrorists and their ideologues in Pakistan perceived the nuclear weapon as the ultimate weapon of retribution against States which they viewed as enemies of Islam, particularly the USA and Israel.

It was, in fact, the late Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto, a Western-influenced liberal and not a religious fundamentalist, who first projected Pakistan’s clandestine quest for an atomic bomb as the quest for an Islamic bomb to counter what he described as the Christian, Jewish and Hindu atomic bombs. He used this depiction in order to convince other Islamic States such as Libya, Saudi Arabia and Iran to fund Pakistan’s clandestine military nuclear programme.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby arun » 28 Jan 2004 22:35

Originally posted by Rangudu:
Originally posted by SSridhar:
[b]This is another lie. Pakistan and China agreed on transfer of M-11 missiles in 1988, much before Pakistan even placed orders for the F-16 in 1989.
Anything to substantiate this?[/b]
Rangudu,

Adding one more citation for 1988 to that provided by S Sridhar.

From NTI.Org who refer to a CIA document, possible of 1994, cited in Bill Gertz's , Betrayal: How the Clinton Administration Undermined American Security

A US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) report states that " Pakistan has ordered a further payment to China on the 1988 M-11 deal , and Chinese engineers plan soon to provide further M-11 training to the Pakistani army. Though we continue to receive reports that M-11s are in Pakistan, the Army has made no plans for field deployment and is just beginning to formulate an operational doctrine for the system. Pakistan, on 22 August [1994], made arrangements to pay China Precision Machinery Import/Export Corporation $15 million for the 1988 contract for M-11 missiles , launchers, and support equipment, according to special intelligence........
How accurate the CIA is, is off course another matter.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Prof Raghu » 28 Jan 2004 22:37

Originally posted by John Umrao:
Libyan booty will nail Pak lie
CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

... the Libya deal has demonstrated that world powers can denuclearise Pakistan , possibly with security assurances.
This dovetails neatly with N^3's nuke-nude projection and the removal of Indian forces from the border in mid-2002.
Someone should tell Rajghatta to read the orignial N^3 article.

Another point: Anyone with an interest in Pakistan knew that Libya and Saudi Arabia were funding the Pak nukes, at least in the mid-1970s. After all, do you all remember when Bhutto renamed the cricket stadium in Gaddhafi's name, and when Faisalbad was created? Check out the timing, and it ties with when Bhutto began the Pak nuke program in earnest. Note that in contrast, there is no Pahlavi stadium or Pahlavibad -- tells you Iranians were not in the picture initially.

I am amazed that so called experts on Pakistan fail to note the significance of such events.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Rangudu » 29 Jan 2004 00:42

When did that Gaddhafi stadium naming and Faisalabad naming happen?

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Guest » 29 Jan 2004 00:56

Originally posted by Rangudu:
When did that Gaddahfi stadiukm naming and Faisalabad naming happen?
http://www.pakvisit.com/pakistan/faisalabadhis.html
Early 1904 a new district was formed by the name of Lyallpur With its headquarter at Lyallpur (now Faisalabad) a town Named after sir james lyall, lieutenant Governor of the Punjab. On september 1, 1977, lyallpur was renamed as Faisalabad after king faisal of saudi arabia in Recognition of his outstanding services to Pakistan.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Rangudu » 29 Jan 2004 01:25

http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/jan-2004/28/MAIN/top2.asp

Dr Qadeer unlikely to be prosecuted

From Absar Alam

ISLAMABAD—General Pervez Musharraf’s military aides have advised him not to prosecute or award any “harsh punishment” against Dr A. Q. Khan as a hasty, legal action would not only necessitate the debriefing of former army chiefs, it would also strengthen public perception about the nuclear rollback theory, sources told The Nation Tuesday.

Both these factors, Musharraf’s military aides predict, might spin the situation out of the government’s control. The advice came at a high-level meeting held on Monday, with Musharraf in the chair, to discuss the outcome of the investigation against the nuclear scientists.

In his interviews with foreign media organizations in Davos last week, Musharraf had termed the nuclear scientists accused of proliferation as “enemies of state who had done something for financial gains.” He vowed to give them harsh punishment. It was expected that Musharraf, soon after his arrival, would make announcement about the case of these scientists. Hence the first important meeting he attended after his arrival was about the scientists debriefing.

At the meeting two arguments were given against Dr Khan’s prosecution: a) It might unleash an upsurge of public anger against the government; b) Questions will emerge about the performance of at least two Chiefs of Army Staff, if not all.

Following this note of caution Musharraf, who according to the sources was “all thunder and lightening” at the meeting, has not yet taken any decision about the fate of Dr A. Q. Khan and other scientists under investigation.

Reports appeared on Monday in the local press hinting that Musharraf would take stern action against the nuclear scientists. The briefings at the meeting have, however, put the government in two minds whether to go ahead or not. The option that the government is now pondering is that it should remove Dr A.Q. Khan as Adviser to the Prime Minister on KRL Affairs. A number of extra measures will also be taken against Dr Khan. “But he might not be prosecuted,” the sources said.

Prosecution of a few mid-level scientists and KRL officials will take place to make the accountability look credible, however. It was learnt that the intelligence agencies have indicated a groundswell of adverse public opinion in case the government took any strict action against Dr Khan.

Second, the prosecution of Khan, who is also known as “father of the bomb”, would open a can of worms that nobody would be able to manage. “If a trial takes place, the role of former Chiefs of Army Staff Mirza Aslam Beg and Jehangir Karamat will be up for questioning,” the sources said adding[color=red] no military general in Pakistan was ever prosecuted and it was unlikely to be done in near future as well.</font> :roll:

Sources said deliberate leaks by the officials to carefully-selected media persons about the foreign accounts of nuclear scientists were aimed at exerting more pressure on the scientists—particularly Dr Khan. The allegations that the money deposited in the foreign accounts of these scientists was received in return for the transfer of technology were not yet confirmed.

“This might not be clean money but then these people had been managing huge money transactions required for the procurement of equipment used in Pakistani projects,” the sources familiar with the investigations said.

Government’s claim that it initiated action against the scientists following a letter from the IAEA notwithstanding, Dr Khan’s nameplate as Adviser to PM was removed from his office at the KRL 14 months ago soon after Prime Minister Jamali took over as chief executive. The KRL, also known as Khan Research Laboratories, was named after Dr A. Q. Khan for his, what was then termed, “meritorious” services for the nation.

Decisions to remove Dr Khan as the chief of KRL and the removal of his nameplate from his KRL office were taken under the US pressure as Washington had been accusing Dr Khan of nuclear proliferation since long.

Dr Khan was also told then that he need not visit KRL and he should stay at his office of the PM’s Adviser at the Prime Minister secretariat where he would advise to the Prime Minister “only if he is asked to.” The scientists, who are under detention, were also removed from the key posts then but Dr Khan managed their appointment at less important jobs.

The situation, however, took a steep turn several weeks ago when Bush administration increased heat on Islamabad following Iran’s acceptance of inspection of its nuclear programme by International Atomic Energy Agency.

Officials said the IAEA had told the government it believed Pakistani scientists helped Iran develop the designs for centrifuges to produce weapon-grade enriched uranium.

Analysts, however, believe Washington will apply more pressure than what the regime in Islamabad can endure. :roll: Musharraf, they say, had been the most trusted US ally in the Muslim world since 9/11. Compelling Musharraf to do more on the nuclear issue, diplomats believe, will enhance domestic unrest against Musharraf, which might destabilize his regime. “And the US does not want this to happen - at least for the time being,” a western diplomat said requesting anonymity.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby RobinM » 29 Jan 2004 01:43

Originally posted by Sriman:
Originally posted by John Umrao:
[b]Libyan booty will nail Pak lie
CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

... the Libya deal has demonstrated that world powers can denuclearise Pakistan , possibly with security assurances.
This dovetails neatly with N^3's nuke-nude projection and the removal of Indian forces from the border in mid-2002.
Someone should tell Rajghatta to read the orignial N^3 article.

Another point: Anyone with an interest in Pakistan knew that Libya and Saudi Arabia were funding the Pak nukes, at least in the mid-1970s. After all, do you all remember when Bhutto renamed the cricket stadium in Gaddhafi's name, and when Faisalbad was created? Check out the timing, and it ties with when Bhutto began the Pak nuke program in earnest. Note that in contrast, there is no Pahlavi stadium or Pahlavibad -- tells you Iranians were not in the picture initially.

I am amazed that so called experts on Pakistan fail to note the significance of such events.[/b]
Excellent op-ed from Brahma Chellaney.

Following the fuse

It is not a surprise that technical documents turned over by Libya recently show Pakistan as the source of its centrifuge design. It was Libya that initially funded the Pakistani programme as part of a reported 1973 deal. No nation would put money in a clandestine programme of another country without expecting to receive training and technology in return.


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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Prof Raghu » 29 Jan 2004 02:22

R.,
The renaming of Lahore stadium was definitely after Bhutto took over -- If my memory is right, the renaming was sometime in 1972 or 73. The first match after the renaming was I believe when England (or MCC as it was known then) visited Pakistan in 1973.

The key is to look for the exact date of Bhutto's eat grass speech. I am fairly certain the renaming occurred well after that -- and that renaming date should give a good indication of when the Libyan connection to Pak nuke program started.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Umrao » 29 Jan 2004 02:39

Evidence suggests that India's new interest in the nuclear option was of great concern to Pakistan. Reports from from the fall of 1964 into mid 1965 indicate considerable concern by President Ayub Khan, and his Foreign Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (later President). In March both men met with Chou En-lai in Beijing, a meeting both felt had very positive results and developed Chinese support for Pakistan. It was in mid-1965 that Bhutto made his famous remark that is India acquired nuclear weapons: "then we should have to eat grass and get one, or buy one, of our own." Under Bhutto's later presidency the foundations of Pakistan's nuclear program would be laid. Thus in 1965, the seeds of the Indo-Pakistani nuclear confrontation of three decades later had been sown.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Rangudu » 29 Jan 2004 02:40

Jumrao garu,

Please post link

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Rich » 29 Jan 2004 02:48

Here's proof that N^3's Nook nood theory on Pakiland is in fact now a reality. Even the Paki's are talking about it, they call it the "Nuclear Rollback Theory".

ISLAMABAD—General Pervez Musharraf’s military aides have advised him not to prosecute or award any “harsh punishment” against Dr A. Q. Khan as a hasty, legal action would not only necessitate the debriefing of former army chiefs, it would also strengthen public perception about the nuclear rollback theory, sources told The Nation Tuesday.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Guest » 29 Jan 2004 02:49

off topic - Admin

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Umrao » 29 Jan 2004 02:56

read this for some nuggets.

http://www.satribune.com/archives/jan11_17_04/opinion_wajid.htm

All Those Responsible for the Great Nuclear Betrayal Must be Taken to Task

By Wajid Shamsul Hasan

EVER SINCE India experimented its first nuclear device in 1974 Pakistan’s natural reaction to it has been a thorn in the eyes of the West.

Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto (Dec. 1971-5 July 1977) was made a horrible example for pursuing his goal of an “Islamic Bomb”. He was not deterred by threats to his life nor did he seek the nuclear glow for self-glorification. His vision for the West-dubbed “Islamic Bomb” mushroomed out of Indian atomic smoke. He had believed that had Pakistan a nuclear device in 1971 its chauvinistic neighbor would not have dared to invade and dismember Pakistan.

ZAB’s primary objective for nuclear teeth was to make Pakistan’s defence impregnable and also to be of substantive help to the Islamic world. Pakistan’s then Army chief General Ziaul Haq who hanged him, had once confessed that the amount of attention Pakistan army received from ZAB had "no parallel in the history of Pakistan army prior to 1971".

He was, in fact, a harbinger of colossal change in Pakistan’s defence preparedness—he replaced bullock cart backwardness into the atomic age. Bhutto had underscored the need for strengthening of the nation’s defence capability supplemented by self-sufficiency and economic development. His answer to meet the challenge was to develop “a local industrial potential for equipping its armed forces with more sophisticated weapons.”

Bhutto got the crucial nuclear blue print to enable the Pakistani scientists to enrich uranium and build indigenously the components of a nuclear device. He persuaded Dr. AQ Khan to leave his prosperous foreign job and lead his search for Pakistan’s nuclear glow. Although ZAB believed in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, he opted to build a nuclear bomb when India detonated its nuclear device in 1974.

Besides that, Bhutto also wanted to reduce the size of the Pakistani military establishment, prune it of dead wood and “fat and flabby generals” and convert it into a reasonable sized modern fighting machine with a nuclear arsenal and missile system as a sure deterrent backed by a National Service program to raise enough men from the people—earlier trained-- to be instantly available to defend the country in case of an invasion.

Bhutto knew that his vision of a nuclear Pakistan would receive the toughest opposition from the nuclear monopolists who had sinisterly nodded a go-ahead signal to India and Israel to have “the Hindu” and the “Jewish” bombs. ZAB, therefore, adopted a multi-faceted program to achieve the impossible. On the one hand—as an obvious cover- to his nuclear ambitions through uranium enrichment, he skillfully negotiated a Nuclear Reprocessing Plant agreement with France. Powers that be used General Zia and the mullas to overthrow his government and then forced Paris to cancel the Nuclear Reprocessing Plant agreement.

However, under the cover of French deal, he continued with his real program-- a secret not even shared or disclosed to his wife. It was his wisdom and sagacity that Pakistan’s indigenous nuclear pursuit remained undetected for a very long time until when it was just a few screws away from accomplishment. Bhutto had hinted at the detonation of a nuclear device late in 1978 in his last speech as the Prime Minister in the Parliament before General Ziaul Haq’s coup of July 1977. His overthrow obviously postponed that event and caused great uncertainty and doubts in the minds of Pakistan’s nuclear apparatus that had spent sleepless nights to do the impossible against heaviest of odds.

The nation owes its nuclear deterrent to him and the infrastructure that he had created risking his own life. It is both an irony and perhaps the greatest betrayal that the very infrastructure that Bhutto had established, its man-power, its national heroes and those who made Islamic Bomb a reality, are being dragged into public infamy and treated most shabbily by no other than the Generals who they gave nuclear teeth to scare the world into acquiescing into their blackmail.

I remember meeting one of those associated with his grand design just months after Bhutto’s execution—a military man at that—I asked him how soon Pakistan could have the “toy”. The gentleman asked me what was the time in my watch. It was 5 in the evening. His answer was historically laconic; “We can have it in just two hours from now”. That was the status of the progress on the West-branded Islamic Bomb.

Although Ziaul Haq established his credibility with his foreign masters by hanging his own benefactor, he and his generals could not give up Bhutto’s nuclear program. They knew that if they tried to undo it, they would be lynched in public. Not only that, being motivated mostly by instinct of self-preservation, they also found a life insurance policy under its cover. General Zia used it to shoo off war-ready Indians from Pakistani borders on several occasions by playing nuclear poker that is, saying at the same time, I have it and I don’t have it.

It is a natural psyche of the generals not to feel secure without a weapon. By 1988 Pakistan had the capacity to make the bomb but not the capability to carry it to its target. Obviously they needed another Bhutto to deliver for them. When ZAB’s daughter Benazir Bhutto became prime minister following Zia’s fall from the sky, the generals begged her to use her influence and good offices with China and North Korea where ZAB continued to be a household name as the leader of the Third World to get Pakistan assistance to develop its missile technology.

During her two tenures—despite being bitten once—Benazir --like her father—did not care for self-interest and defied foreign powers that be, in getting Pakistan enough from both China and North Korea to develop effective missile systems with all ranges—capable to hit Delhi and also Tel Aviv as Gen ® Hameed Gul publicly claimed recently.

Since the inception of Pakistan’s nuclear program under ZAB, the strategy has been to keep the world guessing—not to accept that we were making it while fabricating it indigenously in the closet. It was, however, Zia who had started exposing Dr AQ Khan’s nuclear prowess to blackmail India. Until then like India or Israel, Pakistani nuclear scientists too had been living under the veil.

Unfortunately under Zia, money flooding into him from Washington and Riyadh to wage the American Jihad in Afghanistan against the Soviet occupation, made his greed and that of his generals insatiable and instead of being professional men devoted to the defence of the country, characteristics of South American generals like Panama’s erstwhile Noriega to roll into drug money etc., became a fashion with them as well.

Why I have ventured to draw parallels with Noriega relates to a story published by Washington Post contributed by its Pakistan correspondent Kamran Khan in which he had quoted Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif (after his ouster first time in 1993) of telling WP that on one occasion his Chief of Army Staff and his military intelligence chief submitted to him an exhaustive blueprint for clandestine ‘export’ of drugs from Pakistan to tide over its foreign exchange and balance of payment problems besides giving them huge amounts to modernize the Pakistan military.

No hold barred is the philosophy that the jackboots pursue in politics, in defence and in their personal lives. The unscrupulous manner in which they have used Pakistan’s nuclear program to blackmail others has obviously brought Pakistan to a status of a rogue state. And when following the Indian footsteps, Islamabad detonated its nuclear device in May 1998, nothing much was said to India but Pakistan was singled out as a punitive target.

Western media thinks tanks wired to anti-Pakistan hawks in Washington and other key capitals have been building up a case to nip Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal in the bud. On occasions pre-emptive strikes at nuclear sites were mooted as possible options before Pakistan ends up as yet another Yugoslavia. One can understand the method behind this madness, Pakistani men who matter cannot be excused for the nuclear bravado that they have been resorting to blackmail others to the extent that Pakistan’s Army and ISI (Inter-Services Intelligence) have been described as “rogue” institutions posing a serious threat to peace in South and Central Asia.

Ever since 9/11 that converted the pariah military dictator into a ‘soldier-statesman’, he has managed to pressurize Washington to stand by him to ‘secure Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal from falling into the hands of Taliban, Osama Bin Laden or their supporters’. In her book ''Pakistan: In the Shadow of Jihad and Afghanistan,'' Mary Anne Weaver quotes Gen. Anthony C. Zinni, the former commander in chief of Central Command, who told her: ''It's so important that we work with Musharraf: not so much because of what Musharraf is or is not, but because what would come after him would be a disaster.''

Managers of Dr AQ Khan Research Laboratories did not show better wisdom. They let the cat out of the bag. It substantiated the allegation that Pakistan was peddling advance nuclear technology to other countries by quietly circulating a sales brochure to aspiring nuclear weapons states and a network of nuclear middlemen around the world with a covering letter that bears an official-looking seal that says "Government of Pakistan" and a photograph of the father of the Pakistani bomb, Abdul Qadeer Khan. It promoted components that were spin-offs from Pakistan's three-decade-long project to build a nuclear stockpile of enriched uranium, set in a drawing that bears a striking resemblance to a mushroom cloud.

Other nations capable of exporting technology would have ensured that such sales would be strictly controlled but Pakistani rulers have set their own rules punctuated with greed and overwhelming bravado. And today the whole edifice of Pakistan’s nuclear house built so painstakingly by Bhuttos faces the threat of extinction for the clandestine export of technology allegedly to Iran, Libya and Iraq.

Not only that, to add insult to injury, our generals who have always had their noses in Pakistan’s nuclear pie, seem to be washing their hands off by putting the entire blame of peddling nuclear technology as the act of greedy individuals and letting American interrogators question and humiliate national heroes like Dr. Khan.

All those responsible for such a colossal fiasco, persecution of Dr AQ Khan and other scientist heroes need to be made to pay for their great betrayal. It needs to be mentioned here that Pakistan’s nuclear program was developed under the direct security of the military. Even today a lieutenant general is over all in charge of the nuclear operations and that without the approval of the right quarters, even the birds do not flap their feathers in the atomic domain.

Not only that, the nation should be taken into confidence to save Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal before it is destroyed. The present leadership has completely failed to protect the vital strategic interests. It should be forced to quit to make room for a leader like ZAB and return of Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif who should pool together what is best in them and the masses for securing Pakistan’s nuclear program and Pakistan’s future.

(folks encourage these Pakis to take on Mushy the RAW agent)

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Vivek_A » 29 Jan 2004 03:32

72 hours crucial

By Our Monitoring Desk
The debriefing of Pakistani nuclear scientists is gradually heading toward its logical end and it seems that the issue has become a matter of grave concern and test for the government and respectable circles of the country, remarked the VoG on Wednesday.
The debate is going on in the political and official circles on the question as to what will be the future of Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan, architect of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb, in the light of findings of the on-going investigation into the alleged sale of nuclear secrets to other countries including Iran and Libya, the broadcast said.
The broadcast further said that the questions are being raised whether Dr Qadeer, the founder of KRL, will be relieved from his post; whether he will be deprived of all national honours and whether he will be prosecuted for alleged misuse of his authority. Irrespective of all these queries, the founder of Pakistan’s nuclear programme already looks isolated as the number of visitors has reduced to only a few, the broadcast added.
A few national newspapers are continuously publishing news about him which, apparently, are aimed at proving him guilty but despite all such news, he is still attending his office in Prime Minister’s Secretariat, the broadcast said.
Talking to the VoG, defence and foreign affairs analyst Nasim Zehra said that the process of debriefing has extraordinarily prolonged and that it was not properly handled at the start, adding that (the government) should wait for the completion of investigation before bringing charges against Dr Qadeer or any of his associate.
The broadcast said that the next 72 hours are very crucial because during this period President Gen Pervez Musharraf and his aides have to take very important decisions about Dr Khan and his close associates currently being questioned by the intelligence agencies.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby svinayak » 29 Jan 2004 05:16

Originally posted by John Umrao:
However, under the cover of French deal, he continued with his real program-- a secret not even shared or disclosed to his wife. It was his wisdom and sagacity that Pakistan’s indigenous nuclear pursuit remained undetected for a very long time until when it was just a few screws away from accomplishment. Bhutto had hinted at the detonation of a nuclear device late in 1978 in his last speech as the Prime Minister in the Parliament before General Ziaul Haq’s coup of July 1977. His overthrow obviously postponed that event and caused great uncertainty and doubts in the minds of Pakistan’s nuclear apparatus that had spent sleepless nights to do the impossible against heaviest of odds.
This is the first time this rivalry in 1977 of when to explode the bomb as the cause of ZAB overthrow is coming up. The external masters must have made sure that it never happened by supporting Zia and the rest is history.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Prof Raghu » 29 Jan 2004 05:28

Originally posted by acharya:
This is the first time this rivalry in 1977 of when to explode the bomb as the cause of ZAB overthrow is coming up. The external masters must have made sure that it never happened by supporting Zia and the rest is history.
Not so, acharya.
ZAB in his prison memoirs clearly notes that certain powers that did not wish Pak to go nuclear had arranged for his overthrow and hanging -- read this long ago in a book, do not have a link but if you check for Bhutto's prison memoirs, you will get that (one other nugget I vaguely remember from that book/article: since Z.A. Bhutto did not have paper to write, he supposedly used to write in toilet paper and then smuggle it out of the prison; something like that -- I do remember the part about him using unorthodox means to write his prison memoirs and then smuggle them out.)

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Muppalla » 29 Jan 2004 06:03

Originally posted by Rangudu:
When did that Gaddhafi stadium naming and Faisalabad naming happen?
http://www.channel4.com/sport/cricket/venues/gad.html

The ground is on a huge complex that also houses the National Hockey Stadium, which is the biggest of its kind in the world, along with a velodrome and a luxury theatre.

Originally named the National Stadium, it was changed to the Gadaffi in [color=red]1974</font> in honour of the Libyan leader who was then popular in Pakistan for his stance against the USA.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Neshant » 29 Jan 2004 06:28

Once musharaff does the job of clearing up n-proliferation and terrorists targeting American interests in Afg, he will be disposed of.

Perhaps some plane 'accident' will befall him like that of his predecessors.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Rangudu » 29 Jan 2004 06:29

Thanks for the info guys

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby svinayak » 29 Jan 2004 06:58

Jamaat Islami's Double Talk on Nuclear Issue Exposed

But most of the people of Pakistan have yet not forgotten, however, that the Jamaat-e-Islami incited and fueled the street agitation against Zulfikar Ali Bhutto in 1977 and that pleased the Americans. Thanks to their creating the appearances of an “imminent civil war in Pakistan,” General Zia eventually took over in July of that year. That “defender of Islam” took the JI leaders onboard.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Rye » 29 Jan 2004 07:24

http://headlines.sify.com/3036news3.html?headline=US~warns~India,~Pak~over~'dirt y~bomb'~threat

The DDM spin on the senate subcommittee hearings could have been written by the SD experts themselves.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby Prof Raghu » 29 Jan 2004 08:07

Note some very interesting language:
[url=http://www.satribune.com/archives/jan25_31_04/P1_nuclear.htm]The Iran-Pakistan Nuclear Sales Story Continues to Unfold
By Simon Henderson[/url]

[...]

The arrested men all worked at the Khan Research Laboratories, a uranium-enrichment plant outside the capital city of Islamabad. In 1981, the then military dictator, General Zia ul-Haq, gave the plant its current name in honor of Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, who created it in the 1970s. This gesture was intended to annoy the United States, and it did.

What is going on now appears, in part, to be Washington's revenge. Using the Iran-centrifuge scandal, Washington can pressure Musharraf to shut down perhaps half of his nuclear-weapons projects.

Khan himself was retired on his 65th birthday in April 2001, against his own wishes. President Musharraf, who had taken power in a military coup in 1999, apparently was responding to US demands. He also retired Khan's main rival, Samar Mubarakmand, at the same time. Khan had followed the highly enriched-uranium route to the bomb; Mubarakmand's team had followed the plutonium route. Both groups successfully tested devices in Pakistan's May 1998 nuclear blasts.

Both teams also separately worked on providing Pakistan with missiles capable of carrying nuclear bombs. Khan's group acquired a Nodong production line from North Korea the missile is known as the Ghauri in Pakistan, and is in operational service. The plutonium team chose the Chinese M-11 missile, known in Pakistan as the Shaheen.

[...]
The story could be bigger than just leaks of uranium-enrichment technology. Two other men arrested last week, Abdul Majid and Mansoor Alam (also directors at KRL), had both been directly involved in the first 1998 nuclear test, watching from a distance when a device using highly enriched uranium had been detonated under the Chagai Hills in Pakistan's southwestern region.

But to believe the storyline dictated so far by the Musharraf regime, you have to believe that a group of scientists, motivated by national glory (the quest for a bomb), was distracted by the opportunity to earn a quick buck (selling secrets to Iran, a potential enemy). The whole escapade apparently completely escaped the notice of a wide array of governments, some military, some democratic.

None of this makes any sense, yet. But with the keywords "Iran," "Islamic terrorism," and "nuclear proliferation," this should be one of the stories to watch in 2004.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 22 Jan 2004

Postby jrjrao » 29 Jan 2004 15:43

India and proliferation by Pakistan
By C. Raja Mohan

"The international ramifications of Pakistan's proliferation will come back to haunt India. New Delhi will be mistaken in believing that it will continue to look good as Islamabad looks bad."

http://www.hindu.com/2004/01/29/stories/2004012901201000.htm


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