Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

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Postby Paul » 05 Feb 2004 13:42

6. Lt. Gen. Gul Hassan Khan (1971-1972) ? A Punjabi
7. Gen. Tikka Khan (1972-1976) ? A Punjab,
8. Gen. Zia-ul-Haq (1976-1988) ? A Muhajir (Julundar)/Pathan (by domicile)
Hi Acharya:

Adding a few tit-bits I know about the above three.

Zia was a Jat Arain, a group who traditionally are known to grow vegetables. But you are right, he is from Jullandar and an alumni of St. Stephens.

Tikka Khan was a puppet of Bhutto, who conveniently moved Gul Hassan Khan out to replace him with Tikka.

Gul Hassan Khan was a bachelor who married a Greek woman very late in his life. Known to lead a simple life, I am told..he occupied just a single room in the army mess. Lt. Gen. S.K. Sinha was his junior reporting officer before partition.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby SSridhar » 05 Feb 2004 14:41

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Asked about whether he finds credible the statement by Khan confessing he provided nuclear technology to North Korea, Iran and Libya, but denied government complicity, US State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said "I don't--the Pakistani Government is investigating this.

We have said this is a matter of importance to us, but it is a matter that the Pakistani Government is taking very seriously. They have been investigating and they will be addressing the issue."

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Neshant » 05 Feb 2004 15:01

Other than to scare a few pak scientists who might be thinking of becoming proliferators and to extract (fake?) plegeds not to proliferate, there appears to be no objective to this probe.

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Pardon Recommended for Pakistan Scientist

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040205/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_nuclear&cid=516&ncid=716

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby SSridhar » 05 Feb 2004 15:09

Pakistani A-bomb guru says, he alone let secrets out NY Times.
The White House had little to say about the confession, but American experts on proliferation of nuclear weapons said their concern was not whether Dr. Khan was punished but whether the illicit spread of nuclear technology could be stopped.

But American officials in Washington said they assumed that Dr. Khan and General Musharraf had struck a deal — perhaps an agreement not to put the scientist on trial, in return for Dr. Khan's announcement that no government officials had been involved in his two decades of proliferation.

That contention is one that few American intelligence officials believe. The Military retained tight control over the nuclear program and government transport planes were used to trade weapons with North Korea. But it is a polite fiction that the White House may be willing to live with if it is the only way to keep a close ally in power while dismantling the Khan trading network.

His fall from grace also represented another public humiliation for Pakistan, which has struggled since coming into existence in 1947 to establish a clear national identity.

Pakistan's military intelligence agency, Inter-Services Intelligence, must have tightly monitored the lab and Dr. Khan, the experts say, if only to prevent Indian agents from sabotaging the lab or harming Dr. Khan.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Prof Raghu » 05 Feb 2004 16:16

Note the Iraq and Syria connections (Syria at the very end of the report) to Pakistan and Qadeer Khan.

a. drip, drip ...
b. Noone in the mainstream media has upto now talked in a detailed manner about Iraq-Pak.
c. Iraq is a special case, and note the timing of Qadeer Khan's offer -- sure will not make Bush happy.

[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4163638/]Pakistan nuclear ‘father’s’ offer to Saddam:
Iraq refused, fearing a U.S. sting operation[/url]

By Robert Windrem
Producer
NBC News
Updated: 7:31 p.m. ET Feb. 04, 2004

U.S. intelligence now believes that A.Q. Khan, the father of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons program, offered Iraq critical nuclear weapons technology and components in the months leading up to the 1991 Gulf War — an offer Iraq turned down fearing it was a sting operation run by the U.S.

U.S. officials say the Khan offer is memorialized in an Iraqi intelligence document found by U.N. inspectors in 1995. The document is dated Oct. 6, 1990, three months before the Gulf War began and five days after the United States cut off military aid to Pakistan because of its nuclear weapons activity.

It was one of several the inspectors found in 1995 after being tipped by Hussein Kamel, Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law and head of the WMD program. Kamel defected along with his brother that year and provided both the United States and U.N. inspectors with a great deal of intelligence about Iraq’s weapons programs. He and his brother later returned to Iraq and were killed by Saddam. One former U.N. inspector told NBC News the offer was made in person and was only written up in the memo found by the inspectors.

While at the time the underlying facts of the memo could not be fully authenticated, the United States and the International Atomic Energy Agency now have other intelligence that confirms it. That intelligence comes primarily from what Libya has provided the United States and IAEA on its dealings with Khan, which mirror the Khan offer to Iraq. Khan supplied what one U.S. intelligence analyst called “the entire kit: the weapons design, a full-up centrifuge and the Rolodex of suppliers” Khan had developed in building Pakistan’s bomb.

For years, both Pakistan and Iraq claimed the offer was a hoax, but with the Libyan decision to abandon its weapons of mass destruction and the opening of Iraq’s WMD files, current and former U.N. inspectors and U.S. intelligence officials say there is evidence that the offers were real and came from Khan.

The memo regarding the offer was delivered to the head of Iraq’s secret police procurement agency, which was known to handle sensitive weapons purchases. A Greek national whose name is known to the IAEA but whom the agency has not tracked down, offered the services of “Dr. Ab-del-Qadeer Khan,” according to the memo.

Provided NBC News by the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), it states that Khan: “is prepared to give us project designs for a nuclear bomb ... ensure any requirements for materials from Western European countries via a company he owns in Dubay [sic].”


“The memo notes that a meeting with Khan directly was not possible at that time, given the tense international atmosphere resulting from Iraq’s continued occupation of Kuwait and the impending attack by coalition forces,” says David Albright, president of ISIS. “An alternative of setting up a meeting in Greece with an intermediary, who had good relations with the Iraqi intelligence agents, was mentioned as a possibility. Iraqi intelligence officials said in the memo that they believed the motive was money.”

Word gets out
It was first revealed in January 1998 in a top-secret note from the IAEA to U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan. However, the note described the offer as coming from “a foreign national” without identifying Khan. The spokesman said the agency had contacted officials in Pakistan, who had denied the charge.

When the story first broke in 1998, Khan denied any involvement with the Iraqi program, saying the reports were attempts to create the impression of an “Islamic bomb,” adding: “I have never stepped foot in Iraq.” He did not mention Iraq in his apology to the Pakistani nation Wednesday. The Iraqi government of Saddam Hussein claimed they believed the offer was part of a “sting” operation to get them to show their nuclear hand.

As one former high-ranking U.S. intelligence official noted, a sting would have the value of helping the U.S. and its allies in Desert Shield determine the status of the program.

“If you approach them with an offer of a critical technology and they dismiss your offer, that could mean they have already mastered that technology,” said the official, who added that the United States did try some stings during the Gulf War, but that he was not aware of anything like the Khan offer.

“The Iraqis may say they thought it was a sting,” said a former inspector, “but they believed the offer was real and believed they were dealing with Khan.”

The timing is one of the things that inspectors have found intriguing about the offer. Not only was it during the buildup when Iraq had a secret crash program to build the bomb, but it followed by five days the U.S. decision to cut off all aid to Pakistan because the United States believed Pakistan had made several nuclear weapons in the previous six months.

The United States also feared that the Iraqis while rejecting the offer in 1990 may have planned to revive it after the war, with one inspector noting that the Iraqis had kept it secret from U.N. inspectors for nearly five years. .”Why’d they keep it secret?” asked one inspector. “Unless they had plans to go back to him after we finished our inspections.”


In addition, inspectors note there was other evidence suggesting Khan used Iraqi auspices to procure maraging steel, a specialty steel used in centrifuges that enrich uranium to bomb-grade. Pakistan and Iraq preferred to use centrifuges to enrich uranium. The other inspector said that Khan failed to fulfill his part of the bargain on that deal, whose details remain murky. “There was a level of mistrust in Khan,” said one person familiar with the investigation.

One former inspector says Iraqis also told inspectors that they did not want to give Khan “control” over their bomb program after Khan had “double-crossed” the Iraqis on the steel deal.


Other countries contacted Khan wanted $5 million up front for his cooperation, according to the memo. According to recent reports, Libya paid him $50 million. Khan has now admitted supplying nuclear expertise and equipment to Libya, Iran and North Korea and is believed to have offered it to Iraq and Syria. Syria too is believed to have rejected Khan’s offer.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Dipanker » 05 Feb 2004 16:27

Vote wheather AXK should be pardoned or not!

http://edition.cnn.com/ (right hand bottom)

Vote early and vote often!

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby abrahavt » 05 Feb 2004 16:29

Nuke Scientist set for Pardon

What do Pakis have to do before US gets upset enough to punish them?
Probably should be a seperate thread in itself.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Vijay J » 05 Feb 2004 19:03

K Sub seems to be implying that the Non Proliferation regime failed because the people who were supposed to be enforcing the laws were making money off the black market.

If AXK was capable of selling the nuclear bombs on the market without the Pakistani Army knowing about it, then isn't it possible that Dawood could have kept one the bombs he may have moved without AXK knowing about it?

If Dawood was connected with all this, how do we know he doesn't have a nuclear bomb right now?

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Umrao » 05 Feb 2004 19:08

The Joke is at the bottom of all this you will be surprised to find taht

Non Proliferation Crowds / Studies /Seminars /Trips were all financed by Pakistanis.

Next time they Talk of India, Just say go home buy some KY jelly & shove it.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby arun » 05 Feb 2004 19:33

Well,it is a done deal now :


Pakistani Leader Pardons Nuke Scientist

``There's a written appeal from his side and there's a pardon written from my side,'' Musharraf said at a news conference.

From the same Associated Press link, turns out the Malysian company, presumably linked to the seized centrifuge part shipment bound for Libya, is linked to Pakistan :



Also Thursday, Malaysia said it would investigate a company controlled by the prime minister's son for its alleged role in supplying components to Libya's nuclear program. That company has also been connected to the international nuclear black market tied to Pakistan.


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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Kumar » 05 Feb 2004 19:37

Recent history:
1. Libya and Iran squeal on Pak about proliferation.
2. General orders an investigation.
3. USA supports the general.
4. General cuts a deal with the "Saintest" (not sainter, not a saint, but ...).
5."Saintest" apologizes on TV.
6. The general pardons the "saintest".
7. USA applauds the general and "accepts" this as a proper investigation.

Expected next steps (keeping the spirit alive):
1. Recommending Mush and the "saintest" for Nobel peace prize for so soundly defeating the genie of proliferation and saving the world.
2. Official sainthood for the "saintest" (although it may be a climbdown for the one who is "saintest").

Now I have a question for TSJ and others:

1. How dumb USA gov thinks the rest of the world is?
2. And whose credibility gets trashed when mighty USA starts "accepting" in full public view such charades.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Umrao » 05 Feb 2004 19:40

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nsa/publications/nnp/nnpmap.gif

add to the above
Malaysia
South Korea
Japan
(May be Taiwan)

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Umrao » 05 Feb 2004 19:47

WHat is shocking is that Israel has kept quiet all the while Pakis were spreading Nuke equipment.

Is it because they Knew Paki stuff was duds?

Is it because they were helpless?

Israel made noises about Iran, in Iraq it took action.

It left Libya alone?

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby nachiketa » 05 Feb 2004 19:53

I think even Israel has its limits.. They are not some superheroes descended from the heavens. It earned lot of flak for doing Iraq. Also, Iraq was close by unlike Libya/Pak/Eyeran. Also, these junta were more vigialnt after they saw what happened to EyeRak.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Umrao » 05 Feb 2004 19:56

The Bum Smugglers

http://cns.miis.edu/research/india/images/cha3_lrg.jpg

Note in all cases the phase angle is leading by pi/2 :D

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Amber G. » 05 Feb 2004 19:59

Since 1947 Pakistan had 13 Commanders-in-Chief/Chiefs of Army Staff.

7. Gen. Tikka Khan (1972-1976) ? A Punjabi

Sorry to show my ignorance, but is he the same Tikka Khan as the 71 mass murderer?

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Umrao » 05 Feb 2004 20:01

yes he is, It is one of the unique event. Butcher of Bengalis got promoted after ZA Bhutto became PM od the residue called West Pakistan.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby krithivas » 05 Feb 2004 20:07

As the heat on Pakistan due to nuclear proliferation cools (or rapidly cooled by the US) violence in J&K will (is) increase (increasing).

R> Krithivas

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby vijayk » 05 Feb 2004 20:40

Originally posted by Ashok Kumar:
Recent history:

Now I have a question for TSJ and others:

1. How dumb USA gov thinks the rest of the world is?
2. And whose credibility gets trashed when mighty USA starts "accepting" in full public view such charades.
Ashok:

No one in the administration believe the story of the Pakis and Xerox Khan. They don't really care what the rest of the world thinks. The Iraqi invasion has weakened the security aspect of the the US and the world. The US Govt. politically can't attack another country even though it directly threatens the US security. So the ability of the US to deal with rougue nations like TSP has been severely compromised. The only option left to them is to bribe the tinpot dictators like Mushy and hope that they behave. With Mushy, the US has another option. They would like to force India to give up Kashmir and hope that the Pakis would them co-operate.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby SaiK » 05 Feb 2004 21:04

A Very good pic is here.. it beats the other one.

<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/05/international/asia/05STAN.html?th=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1075998675-9NGxgSAiRcFBZP/Tqffb/g">link</a>

Pakistani A-Bomb Guru Says He, Alone, Let Secrets Out

That contention is one that few American intelligence officials believe. The Military retained tight control over the nuclear program and government transport planes were used to trade weapons with North Korea. But it is a polite fiction that the White House may be willing to live with if it is the only way to keep a close ally in power while dismantling the Khan trading network.

"We don't know what kind of deal was struck, and we may not know for a while," one administration official said. "With Pakistan, sometimes you never know."

American experts on the spread of nuclear weapons said the critical issue was not whether Dr. Khan would be punished, but whether Pakistan would thoroughly investigate all aspects of Dr. Khan's nuclear black market and convey every detail to the United States. They said the smuggling network and sales of nuclear technology must be stopped.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Vivek_A » 05 Feb 2004 21:29

It's official: the CIA was behind the AQK underwear malfunction aka debriefing..

Tenet's speech

One final spy story. Last year in my annual worldwide threat testimony before Congress in open session, I talked about the emerging threat from private proliferators, especially nuclear brokers. I was cryptic about this in public, but I can tell you now that I was talking about A.Q. Khan. His network was shaving years off the nuclear weapons development timelines of several states, including Libya.

Now, as you know from the news coming out of Pakistan, Khan and his network have been dealt a crushing blow and several of his senior officers are in custody. Malaysian authorities have shut down one of the network's largest plants. His network is now answering to the world for years of nuclear profiteering.

What did intelligence have to do with this? First, we discovered the extent of Khan's hidden network. We tagged the proliferators, we detected the networks stretching across four continents offering its wares to countries like North Korea and Iran.

Working with our British colleagues, we pieced together the picture of the network, revealing its subsidiaries, its scientists, its front companies, its agents, its finances and manufacturing plants on three continents. Our spies penetrated the network through a series of daring operations over several years.

Through this unrelenting effort, we confirmed the network was delivering such things as illicit uranium enrichment centrifuges. And as you heard me say in the Libya case, we stopped deliveries of prohibited material.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby P Babu » 05 Feb 2004 21:43

And Tenet added, "Believe me as you believed me on WMD findings and please grant $3 Billion to our buddies in TSP".. :rotfl:

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Vivek_A » 05 Feb 2004 21:47

Why is Tenet even revealing the CIA involvement? There is only one possible explanation: He is getting a lot of heat for the Iraq situation and he wants to highlight a success story. Even when the report of his speech broke on Drudge yesterday there was something about Tenet revealing a recent success.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Umrao » 05 Feb 2004 21:53

Working with our British colleagues, we pieced together the picture of the network, revealing its subsidiaries, its scientists, its front companies, its agents, its finances and manufacturing plants on three continents. Our spies penetrated the network through a series of daring operations over several years.
This is where the recent break in into Pakistani High Commissions office comes into picture

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Roop » 05 Feb 2004 22:34

Originally posted by Vivek A:
Why is Tenet even revealing the CIA involvement? There is only one possible explanation: He is getting a lot of heat for the Iraq situation and he wants to highlight a success story. Even when the report of his speech broke on Drudge yesterday there was something about Tenet revealing a recent success.
Tenet is being set up as the fall guy in this Iraqi WMD mess. Bush/Cheney and the neocons set up this whole scam assuming they would never be caught. Now that they have been caught, they need a scapegoat, and Tenet is "it". Likewise, the Republicans in Congress don't want anyone pointing fingers at Bush/Cheney, so they will go after Tenet too. You can expect the mouthpieces at Fox News Network to start beating the drums for Tenet's beheading any day now.

In the very near future, Tenet is gonna have so many knives in his back his new nickname will be 'sieve'. He obviously recognizes the looming danger and is doing what he can to avert it.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Vivek_A » 05 Feb 2004 22:38

MR: I've already heard people calling him a Clinton holdover(something that wasn't a problem when he came up with the highly successful plan to use unconventional warfare to overthrow the taliban).

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Vivek_A » 05 Feb 2004 22:44

R-man: If you are lurking..Time for a letter to the Korea Times(and some Japanese papers). SK is a donor to TSP.

Pakistan Urged to Offer Info on Nuke Transfer to North Korea

South Korea has called on Pakistan to provide as much information as possible on the recent report that a Pakistani scientist transferred nuclear technology to North Korea.

``We have already expressed our concern over the report through the Pakistani embassy in Seoul,’’ Foreign Affairs-Trade Minister Ban Ki-moon said during a media briefing on the North Korean nuclear issue at ministry headquarters.

Ban also expressed hope that North Korea would reveal its intention to relinquish its nuclear weapons development program during the upcoming six-way talks to be held from Feb. 25.

``The best outcome of the six-party talks would be that North Korea declares to terminate its nuclear program completely, verifiably and irreversibly,’’ he said.

He also cited the need for North Korea to abandon its highly enriched uranium (HEU) program in addition to the plutonium program.

``Although the issues related to North Korea’s suspected program to develop missiles and other weapons of mass destruction (WMD) are also important, the standoff over the North’s nuclear program has been the most pressing need to resolve,’’ Ban added.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Vivek_A » 05 Feb 2004 22:48

Anyone with a subscription to the economist?

Flat-pack proliferation
The damage is incalculable. Time for a rethink

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby nachiketa » 05 Feb 2004 22:57

I get a vague feeling that somehow Xerox Khan will also be used to take care of the "No WMDs in EyeRak" situation too..

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby member_5072 » 05 Feb 2004 22:57

Please go and vote over here http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/asiapcf/02/0...lear/index.html on whether he was right to pardon him or not.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby svinayak » 05 Feb 2004 23:05

Originally posted by vijayk:
Originally posted by Ashok Kumar:
[b]Recent history:

Now I have a question for TSJ and others:

1. How dumb USA gov thinks the rest of the world is?
2. And whose credibility gets trashed when mighty USA starts "accepting" in full public view such charades.
Ashok:

No one in the administration believe the story of the Pakis and Xerox Khan. They don't really care what the rest of the world thinks. The Iraqi invasion has weakened the security aspect of the the US and the world. The US Govt. politically can't attack another country even though it directly threatens the US security. So the ability of the US to deal with rougue nations like TSP has been severely compromised. The only option left to them is to bribe the tinpot dictators like Mushy and hope that they behave. With Mushy, the US has another option. They would like to force India to give up Kashmir and hope that the Pakis would them co-operate.[/b]
This is the most importan conclusion and analysis of the state of the world security and state of the US in the world right now.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Raman » 05 Feb 2004 23:07

Originally posted by VTAbraham:
Nuke Scientist set for Pardon

What do Pakis have to do before US gets upset enough to punish them?
Probably should be a seperate thread in itself.
A new thread to discuss this? You kidding, right? Right now, "Golden Boy" Musharraf can nuke DC and still have Powell's lips firmly affixed to his rear end. ("Pilot was innocently flying around DC, but a rogue hardpoint on the wing of the airplane dropped the bomb onlee!")

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Kanu » 05 Feb 2004 23:10

They shot themselves in the foot. They knew that running over the Iraqi army would be a joke, TSP now would take some serious planning to do. US seems to always go after an easy target and rarely seem to think long or medium term.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby svinayak » 05 Feb 2004 23:15

Originally posted by Vivek A:
Why is Tenet even revealing the CIA involvement? There is only one possible explanation: He is getting a lot of heat for the Iraq situation and he wants to highlight a success story. Even when the report of his speech broke on Drudge yesterday there was something about Tenet revealing a recent success.
This is a diversion so the american gullible public does not see the true picture.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby SaiK » 05 Feb 2004 23:21

when has american public seen true pictures of "all real events"?

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Rye » 05 Feb 2004 23:28

Originally posted by nachiketa:
I get a vague feeling that somehow Xerox Khan will also be used to take care of the "No WMDs in EyeRak" situation too..
The pakis are not suicidal, and besides, them admitting an iraq connection would still raise the question "why was iraq attacked instead of pakistan?". Besides, iraq is in mop-up and leave mode at this point, which is why the UN is getting involved.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Raj Singh » 05 Feb 2004 23:36

Vivek A

Why is Tenet even revealing the CIA involvement? There is only one possible explanation: He is getting a lot of heat for the Iraq situation and he wants to highlight a success story. Even when the report of his speech broke on Drudge yesterday there was something about Tenet revealing a recent success.
There is a clamour in certain/some circles on the faulty intelligence provided by not just CIA but MI6, and other western intelligence service too, on the Iraq affair. In US/UK, intelligence services are on backfoot, as of now. Commitees are already being instituted to investigate the matter/s, with regard to the failure or lack of good intelligence (with reference to Iraq affair). In circumstances like these, some positive publicity for intelligence services like CIA/MI6 and others can help their case. Meaning, reaction towards them do not become that harsh.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby SaiK » 05 Feb 2004 23:37

The pretext of WMD for a preemptive war agains IRAQ is in itself wrong. For that matter, we have WMD. Image if america chooses to do a preemptive attack on us.

They may be super powers, but so they are not just because of military power alone. This is the exact reason germany, france and russia was against iraq war.

Attacking pakistan for american forces from air-space alone is possible, but will sure ruin american economy and their super power status. Furthermore, their oil rich friends can cause havoc to american policies.

To do anything on pakistan, they need us. Without us, they can never clean pakistan.

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby parsuram » 05 Feb 2004 23:38

Just a couple of comments:

If Tenet is right, then the CIA certainly also knew of the Paki Army's stewardship of this proliferation program, and also of the PRC's sponsorship of it. Given that agency's record of incompetence, I for one have doubts as to whether they had a clue, and it would not surprise me that if they did, they might even have made a percentage on the trade on the side (these are the same guys who gave the world "Iran Contra"). It is quite easy to sit on top of a mound of cow sh1t, smile, and say - "look what I did".

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Re: Pakistan Nuclear Proliferation - 04 Feb 2004

Postby Leonard » 05 Feb 2004 23:41

From the DC Compost PILE ...

Pakistan's Nuclear Crimes

Thursday, February 5, 2004; Page A20

WHILE WASHINGTON has been debating the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, an extraordinary series of revelations has confirmed that Pakistan has been guilty of some of the worst crimes of nuclear weapons proliferation ever committed. For some 15 years it has been supplying atomic bomb technology to rogue states and sponsors of terrorism -- and it did so even after President Bush declared that governments that conducted such transfers could be subject to preemptive attack by the United States. Under pressure from the United Nations, Pakistani officials have acknowledged that nuclear designs and materials were given to Iran, Libya and North Korea, either directly or through an underground network involving middlemen in Germany and a secret factory in Malaysia. Officials claim the traffic was conducted solely by the country's chief weapons scientist, Abdul Qadeer Khan, and several associates. Hoping to avoid prosecution, Mr. Khan duly confessed on Pakistani television yesterday and absolved his government. But the scientist previously gave investigators a more plausible account: that President Pervez Musharraf and other senior military leaders approved the deals.



For more than two years the Bush administration has embraced Mr. Musharraf as a strategic ally and overlooked his suppression of Pakistani democracy and his coddling of Islamic extremists. Now the administration must confront the reality that Pakistan's military leadership has done more to threaten U.S. and global security with weapons of mass destruction than either al Qaeda or Saddam Hussein. Were Pakistan not a professed ally of the United States, its behavior would meet the criteria for preemptive military intervention outlined in Mr. Bush's national security strategy. He is not contemplating such action, nor should he be. But the United States must ensure that Pakistan never again markets its nuclear weapons technology. That will require more than extracting further promises of good behavior from an unreliable general.

Mr. Musharraf, who narrowly survived two recent assassination attempts, has made lots of promises to Washington since Sept. 11, 2001. Most have not been fulfilled. When asked about Pakistan's commerce with Iran and North Korea, he either denied that it occurred or implied that he put a stop to it. But Pakistani military cargo flights to North Korea took place as late as 2002. Last fall the United States arranged the interception of a Libya-bound shipment of industrial equipment for nuclear weapons. It turns out the goods were supplied by the network connected to Mr. Khan.

Mr. Musharraf can be expected to go on denying responsibility for the illegal trafficking while promising to stop it. His word should not be enough. The Bush administration and its allies have insisted that other nations guilty of illegal nuclear weapons activity, including Iran and Libya, submit to strict international inspections. Pakistan is not a signatory to international nuclear arms agreements; no outside authority regulates its nuclear programs. That should change. If it is to remain a friend of the United States and receive the billions in aid promised by the Bush administration, Pakistan should be required to commit itself formally to stop proliferating -- and the United States or the United Nations should have the means to verify its compliance.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14272-2004Feb4.html


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