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Antony announces comprehensive plan to tackle threat from sea Indian Navy to be the nodal authority for maritime security Navy to raise a new specialised force ‘ Sagar Prahari Bal’
The government today announced a slew of measures to strengthen maritime and coastal security against threats from the sea. In the backdrop of multiple agencies involved in coastal security and the resultant problems of coordination, the government has designated the Indian Navy as the authority responsible for overall maritime security, both coastal and offshore. The Indian Navy will be assisted by Coast Guard, State Marine Police and other Central and State agencies for the coastal defence of the nation.

Announcing this at a press conference shortly after laying the keel of the country’s first indigenous aircraft carrier in Kochi today, the Defence Minister Shri AK Antony said ‘the tragic incidents that took place at Mumbai has in fact shaken the nation. It is our duty to learn from that tragic incident.’

He said Joint Operation Centres (JOCs) at Mumbai, Visakhapatnam, Kochi and Port Blair will be set up under the charge of existing Naval C-in-Cs. The JOCs will be jointly manned and operated by the Navy and Coast Guard with inputs from diverse agencies including Coast Guard, Navy and concerned Central and State Government agencies. The Naval C-in-Cs will be designated as the C-in-Cs Coastal Defence.

Shri Antony said a National Command, Control, Communication and Intelligence network for real-time maritime domain awareness linking the operations rooms of the Navy and Coast Guard, both at the field and the apex levels, will also be established.

The Defence Minister said the Navy will control all Navy and Coast Guard joint operations. “This will ensure that the assets are optimally deployed and there is synergy between the two organisations. With these measures the Government is expecting that a new focus will be given for effectively managing threats from the sea and security for our coastline”, he said.

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Strengthening the Indian Coast Guard

Shri Antony said the Indian Coast Guard will be additionally designated as the authority responsible for coastal security in territorial waters including areas to be patrolled by the Coastal Police. The Director General Coast Guard will be designated as Commander Coastal Command and will be responsible for overall coordination between central and state agencies in all matters relating to coastal security. The Defence Minister said the government has approved setting up of nine additional Coast Guard stations to integrate into the ‘hub-and-spoke concept’ with coastal police stations along with manpower. These stations are to be located at Karwar, Ratnagiri, Vadinar, Gopalpur, Minicoy, Androth, Karaikal, Hutbay and Nizampatnam. The Coastguard is being empowered both in terms of providing assets like ships, boats, aircraft and helicopters and necessary manpower for their enhanced role in guarding our coast line. One post of Addl DG, one post of COM North West, three posts of DDG have been sanctioned in addition to about 20% increase in afloat units and 30% increase for shore support. The Intelligence set up of Coast Guard is also being improved with adequate manpower resources. Government has also approved the proposal for setting up of Static Coastal Radar Chain and a comprehensive network chain of AIS stations along the entire coast as well as island territories. This will be implemented by Ministry of Shipping, Road Transport and Highways in coordination with Coast Guard. Further, AIS Transponders on vessels below 300 tonnes are also proposed to be installed. This work will be done by Ministry of Shipping in coordination with Coast Guard.

These measures, which have been approved by the Government, Shri Antony said, are expected to give a new thrust for strengthening coastal security and meet the challenge of threats for the sea.
The Maritime Security Advisor would be a three star officer:a Vice Admiral.

http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=48169

Wait a min,Does Sagar Prahari Bal mean additional MARCOS troopers or another MARCOS/NSG hybrid organisation(admin. under Coast Guard but its DG reports to C-in-C)?
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So BDR mutiny as another failure of RAW. Last time was killing of Mujib Ur Rehman. I think RAW is fully cooked and does not take care of Indian interests. Its relatives and wives association.
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Narayanan must devote more time to security issues: Ribeiro
Sat, Feb 28 08:05 AM
New Delhi, Feb 28 (IANS) National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan must give up some of his responsibilities to devote more time to issues related directly to security, suggests former Punjab Police chief Julio Ribeiro.

Claiming to know Narayanan well, Ribeiro says that he 'bit off more than he could chew' and quotes an unnamed politician from New Delhi as saying that Narayanan spent as many as 250 days abroad in 2008.

Ribeiro's remarks form part of a book, '26/11 Mumbai Attacked' (Roli), a collection of articles and first-hand accounts of the terrorist assault on Mumbai that killed over 170 people during Nov 26-29 last year.

According to Ribeiro, with his involvement in matters such as the India-US nuclear deal and the India-China border dispute, Narayanan 'did not have enough time to devote to internal security issues which were actually his area of expertise...

'It is obvious that he slipped up on this one particular occasion (Mumbai attacks) because he had too much on his plate. He is not young any more and should divert some of his powers and responsibilities to young people who need to be groomed.'

There is also an urgent need to bring about sweeping police reforms in India so that police are able to better face threats from terrorists, says Ribeiro, a former police commissioner of Mumbai.

He says the people of the country, particularly the vocal middle class, should actively start demanding police reforms from the government.

The National Police Commission had in 1981 stressed the need for operational independence to the police forces and the freedom to transfer, punish and reward their men without political intervention.

Sadly, this has not happened, points out Ribeiro.

'Today, we have politicized forces in every city and state of the country,' the respected officer says. 'Sadly, many police officers and policemen owe their allegiance to different politicians and do their bidding rather than look up to their own superiors for guidance.'

Ribeiro says that the imperative need was good police officers at cutting edge positions.

'Nobody suspected of corruption or inability to take decisions or inability to communicate should be allowed to go up the ladder and propelled to a position where he is forced to be considered for the top slots.'

The key aspects of police reforms should be: no interference of politicians in transfers and postings of subordinates as well as in the investigation of crime.

'A professional police force needs good police leaders, men whose integrity and competence are established,' he says. 'Police reforms will start with the selection of good police leaders, and that should be the main demand of the public.'

Ribeiro also says that despite technological surveillance, human intelligence would continue to play a key role in combating both crime and terror.

'Nothing can substitute human intelligence, which is obtained either through informers, men planted in terror cells or from ordinary citizens living in slums and bastis...

'If relations between the people and the police are healthy and based on mutual trust and respect, it is possible to get better human intelligence which could obviate a terror attack.'
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somnath wrote:Someone tipped off the Mumbai Police (rumour is someone in the D-payrolls in the police), and the car carryng the gangster and Doval was intercepted by the police. The cover was obviously blown and the operation aborted...
Somnath , Sum that was interesting , but i find it to simplistic to believe that one gangster would just infiltrate Dawoods party and kill him , unless this chap is someone dawood trusts , eats and dines with.

From what I understand ISI maintains a close and constant vigil on the people who meet dawood as he is a prized possesion by Pakistan , many ISI retd Officer work for him.

Well the only time some one managed to kill some one close to D was Sharad Shetty and he was number 2 in the hierachy ( some say D and Sharad were equal equal and this was not liked by D's Brother and Chota Shakeel )

But that is history as Sharad is now dead , killed by some one he trusted , not Chota Rajan as the story goes.

I think we should forget about taking down D or his associate down , that is certainly not RAW or IB's cup of tea.

If IB or RAW had the will and balls to do that they would have done that post 1992 mumbai serial blast.
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Pakistan ISI top boss met Osama aide
3/1/2009 5:53:33 PM

In a development that reaffirms Pakistan’s duplicity and its links to the top terrorist organisations in the region, TIMES NOW has learnt that one of the top bosses of Pakistan’s intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) has held talks with Osama bin Laden’s key aides in Miram Shah in Pakistan’s restive Federal Administered Tribal Area.

In fact, highly placed intelligence sources have told TIMES NOW that around the time when Pakistan’s Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi was visiting Washington and meeting officials of the Barack Obama administration and reaffirming Pakistan's determination to fight terrorism, a senior ISI official of the rank of a major-general no less was meeting Sirajuddin Haqqani considered an ally of the Taliban as also al-Qaeda Chief Laden.


Sources said that the subject of discussion in the meeting was the shifting of Haqqanis operations from North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) in Pakistan to Afghanistan in exchange for ceasefire with Pakistan Army and to halt military operations if the Haqqanis moves their operations from the NWFP into Afghanistan.

Another topic was the construction of the Khost-Gardez road being built by Indian company in Afghanistan. The ISI urged Haqqanis to sabotage efforts by the Indian government to help Afghanistan government to build the Khost-Gardez road.

The meeting assumes significance because the Haqqanis are not ordinary players but hold a great deal of influence in the region and can dictate the course of the war on terror in the region. Jalaluddin Haqqani and Sirajuddin Haqqani are Pashtun warlords and military leaders with links to Taliban and al-Qaeda boss Laden.

Haqqanis have been accused by the coalition forces of carrying out the late-December 2008 bombing in Kabul, Afghanistan at an Afghan elementary school near an Afghan barracks that killed several schoolchildren, an Afghan soldier, and an Afghan guard; no coalition or USA personnel were affected. They are also supposed to have facilitated the attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul. Haqqanis were also linked to Maulvi Jabbar suspect in IC-814 hijacking. Haqqanis are linked to Maulvi Jabbar of the Peshawar Shura who was in touch with the hijackers of the IC-814 in 1999.

Haqqani is the son of Jalaluddin Haqqani, one of the most feared Afghan commanders, who fought against the Soviet occupation during the 1980s. Jalaluddin, now aged and in failing health, lives in Khost and has passed the reigns of the Haqqani terror network on to his second son, Sirajuddin. Jalaluddin Haqqani once had strong ties with the CIA, according to published accounts. But now he and his son are wanted men. The US military has placed a bounty of $200,000 on Sirajuddin Haqqani’s head.
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Did anyone notice the thread of Pakistan's 30 questions - many of them were probing into India's sources of information.... for example, they asked for the source of Lakvi's picture, and the full transcript, source and details of the VoIP calls. Additionally, how we know about the terrorists addresses, etc...

looks like there is indeed a serious intell ops going on to get info. And pakistan is scared. The SCO Officer thing being one. I seriously suspect that the Pak Navy will be hit next - probably show that the murderous 10 were trained in their bases.
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Rahul M wrote:gentlemen, time has come for India to set up intelligence agencies utilising all the letters in the english alphabet, a mere one or two is not enough.
who knows, may be one would work ! :roll:
I have a name ready!! - Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious :lol:



P.S. (for the kiddos here.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercalif ... alidocious)
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Russian "humint" is at its reputed best,with this superb coup ,inflitrating NATO.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... ferl03.htm

Estonia, NATO Weigh Damage Done By Russian Mole

March 01, 2009
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Austin wrote:
somnath wrote:Someone tipped off the Mumbai Police (rumour is someone in the D-payrolls in the police), and the car carryng the gangster and Doval was intercepted by the police. The cover was obviously blown and the operation aborted...
Somnath , Sum that was interesting , but i find it to simplistic to believe that one gangster would just infiltrate Dawoods party and kill him , unless this chap is someone dawood trusts , eats and dines with.

From what I understand ISI maintains a close and constant vigil on the people who meet dawood as he is a prized possesion by Pakistan , many ISI retd Officer work for him.

Well the only time some one managed to kill some one close to D was Sharad Shetty and he was number 2 in the hierachy ( some say D and Sharad were equal equal and this was not liked by D's Brother and Chota Shakeel )

But that is history as Sharad is now dead , killed by some one he trusted , not Chota Rajan as the story goes.

I think we should forget about taking down D or his associate down , that is certainly not RAW or IB's cup of tea.

If IB or RAW had the will and balls to do that they would have done that post 1992 mumbai serial blast.
Well, one can only speculate on these matters..But there would have been some reason for an ex-IB director, no less, and Ajit Doval had only recently retired, to be accompanying a gangster, right?

You are right, it is extremely difficult to get close to characters like Dawood...But a common modus operandi to take them out is via other gangsters...For example, Roshan Beg, Dawood's associate in Nepal, was killed, allegedly by Chota Rajan's men at the behest of RAW...

Tiger Memon's brother again was brought back to India (and finally convicted last year) under a RAW operation....
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Possibly a squall of Brahmos in Clifton area is the only intelligent way of reliably taking out the D goons
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somnath wrote:Well, one can only speculate on these matters..But there would have been some reason for an ex-IB director, no less, and Ajit Doval had only recently retired, to be accompanying a gangster, right?

You are right, it is extremely difficult to get close to characters like Dawood...Bumore a common modus operandi to take them out is via other gangsters...For example, Roshan Beg, Dawood's associate in Nepal, was killed, allegedly by Chota Rajan's men at the behest of RAW...

Tiger Memon's brother again was brought back to India (and finally convicted last year) under a RAW operation....
My point is its been 16 years since the Mumbai bomb blast took place , we knew since then that Dawood was the prime accused which resulted in death of ~ 270 people and more than 700 injured.

The key player ran to Pakistan , with the exception of Yakub Memon , all of them are well settled in Pakistan with flourishing business as if it was a reward for sucessful job done , they caught some small fish.

The key players Dawood and Tiger are still in Karachi , the list of Dawood crimes in Indian soil is endless , latest being their involvement in providing logistics to 26/11 acused as was reveled by Russia.

And in the past 16 years RAW did not manage to hit him , for most part of these years , his residency and his stay was well known as the IHC to Pakistan Parthasarthy mentioned several times.

Doesnt that speak volumes about our ability or inablity to conduct covert hit mission in pakistan , when the criminal in question has done more harm to india than anybody ?

Check this link US showed lack of interest in Dawood's deportation: Advani
"I suspected, not without basis, that somebody in the bureaucratic system was trying, in Indian's dialogue with Americans, to de-emphasise or derail the issue of getting Ibrahim and other Indian terrorists back from Pakistan," Advani notes.
He says his ‘deep disappointments’ as Home Minister was that India was ‘denied a major success in its war against Pakistan-supported terrorism by way of bureaucratic non-cooperation ‘that I have not been able to fully fathom’.
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They aren't interested, there is something else about Dawood. He attended his kids wedding in Dubai. Must have passed straight through immigration or through the VIP terminal with no hassles. If they wanted to apprehend him, they could have. Just shows how useless all this interpol crap is. There is a bigger issue with him.
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shyamd wrote: There is a bigger issue with him.
And what is the bigger issue ?
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Certain netas like *cough,cough* who would not want their bag of secrets to be back in India neither dead (since they need him for their "deals/deeds"). I still feel its only a question of political will just like Veerappan was allowed to roam around unchallenged due to vested interests.
Roshan Beg, Dawood's associate in Nepal, was killed, allegedly by Chota Rajan's men at the behest of RAW...
Was he the Nepali politico who was rumoured to be very close to ISI/Pak?

If it was a RAW job, my regards to RAW on a job well done.
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sum wrote:Was he the Nepali politico who was rumoured to be very close to ISI/Pak?

If it was a RAW job, my regards to RAW on a job well done.
Yes thank advani for that , that task was sucesfully implemented by Chota Rajan members , from what I understand these chaps came back to delhi after the task and they were debrefied and let go.

But it is very interesting that a Home Minister of this country then and number 2 man , should say that bureaucratic non-cooperation was the key reason for this and he could not fathom it.
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Here's an article that has appeared on Rediff an hour ago about how one of the accused in the Bangalore Blasts case was whisked out of Oman by RAW since there was/is no existing extradition treaty with them. Take it FWIW.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/mar/04b ... ission.htm
RAW nabs Bangalore blasts suspect in top-secret mission
Vicky Nanjappa in Bangalore
March 04, 2009 00:25 IST
In a top secret mission, a team of the Research and Analysis Wing tracked down an absconding accused in the Bangalore serial blasts case in Muscat, and sneaked him out of Oman, since India doesn't have an extradition treaty with that country.

Sarfaraz Nawaz, 32, who allegedly played a major role in financing the Bangalore blasts, had sought refuge in Muscat.

Investigating officials told rediff.com that a RAW team managed to track down Nawaz in Muscat. They added that Nawaz was 'smuggled into' Bangalore on a chartered aircraft.

The entire operation was so secretive that even the Air Traffic Control was taken aback when they received a message to help the chartered aircraft land at the Bengaluru [Images] International Airport.

After landing at the airport, officials of the RAW and the Intelligence Bureau called top Central Industrial Security Force officials and directed them to escort the passengers in the aircraft.
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Austin wrote:
sum wrote:Was he the Nepali politico who was rumoured to be very close to ISI/Pak?

If it was a RAW job, my regards to RAW on a job well done.
Yes thank advani for that , that task was sucesfully implemented by Chota Rajan members , from what I understand these chaps came back to delhi after the task and they were debrefied and let go.

But it is very interesting that a Home Minister of this country then and number 2 man , should say that bureaucratic non-cooperation was the key reason for this and he could not fathom it.
Is he referring to Indian bureaucrats?
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About the importance of Dawood Ibrahim to Western agencies, my x-post from Mumbai news and timeline thread....
I remembered something I read a long time ago while watching AAJ Tak news channel about ISI and Dawood Ibrahim.

Long ago before Kushwant Singh became editor of Illustrated Weekly and destroyed it, it was the premier weekly news magazine in Indian homes. Once it had a series on Bombay underworld and traced its ascent after WWII. In particular Haji Mastan who was the king of numbers racket and the underworld. The writer pointed out that the foreign exchange controls that GOI imposed after 1955(?) led to an increase in smuggling of cigarettes and liquor. And the smugglers used to use the hawala method to transfer money from expatriates who were penalized by the FE rates of the GOI channels and buy gold in Dubai and smuggle it into India. The smugglers had a very sophisticated techniques of motoroized boats and wireless sets and contacts in Gulf countries. He said these smugglers were formerly employed by British secret services to land supplies and agents in Nazi sympathizers territory in Iraq and even North Africa. In other words the Bombay smugglers had links to intel agencies of the British.

My conjecture is with the British withdrawal they might have become ISI assets. Wonder if the Bombay CID or Special branch had ever pursued the angle of links between the criminal underworld and British Secret Services being retained after the end of WWII?
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SL Cricketers Attacked: BBC Report on Possible Suspects

List of Possible Suspects (According to BBC)
1) Tamil Tigers ... ("Tigers are not known to operate in pakistan") :roll:
2) RAW ... ("Many Ex-military analysts claim RAW is behind the attack") :roll:
3) Taliban...
4) Al Quida
5) LeT
6) Rogue elements of Pakistani military

Gem of a Conclusion by BBC Reporter:

Militant attacks in all parts of the world have been investigated and solved, but Pakistan is yet to solve even one out of the hundreds of attacks it has suffered since the 1980s.
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Austin wrote:
shyamd wrote: There is a bigger issue with him.
And what is the bigger issue ?
I am not sure exactly. But look at the way, the congress govt is behaving after the arrest of the head of Dawood finances in Dubai by the CIA. CIA handed over CDs of all the hawala transactions( on the laptop of the arrested guy) to RAW which had all the details of big businessmen, politicians etc. No follow up or anything. I don't know if congress party has made a serious attempt to get Dawood, maybe a guru can shed some light. Advani seems to have made a genuine attempt.

Another major case, suprised this case has gone this far:
Pune tycoon may face Rs 1 lakh cr fine for acquiring Rs 36,000 cr
The probe has also thrown up ‘evidence’ against Khan’s associate Kashinath Tapuria, who has said that two politicians, one of them a senior Congressman, had referred Khan to him during his days of financial difficulties.
Now the ED has issued a notice against Hasan Ali for allegedly acquiring as much as Rs 36,000 crore through illegal means. CNN-IBN also has a copy of the notice served under the stringent Foreign Exchange Management Act.

The notice was served following an investigation by ED. The probe was launched after Hasan Ali's multiple transactions with Saudi Arabian arms dealer Adnan Khashoggi, through one of his 10 Swiss bank accounts came to light.

ED stumbled on the dealings in a notarised statement signed by Hasan Ali in London on June 2003.

The statement shows Hasan Ali had opened an account in the a Swiss bank in 1982, and had received $300 million from Kashoggi's New York account.


Under the stringent FEMA, the maximum penalty imposed is upto three times of the original amount. In this case, if at the end of the investigation if a penalty is indeed imposed then Hasan Ali then he will have to cough up a whopping amount of over one lakh crore rupees.


Hasan Ali had first come under the scanner in 2007 when Mumbai IT department raided his premises and seized documents of his accounts in Zurich. The seized documents revealed a deposit of over $8 billion.

Subsequent raids at his Pune residence revealed that Hasan Ali had stashed away as much as $1,410 billion :eek: in various Swiss banks accounts.

After successfully evading arrest for months, Hasan Ali had finally surrendered himself before the Mumbai Police on December 18 in connection with three fake passports that he had obtained.

While Hasan Ali has applied for bail in the passport forgery case, the ED is all set to take him into custody in connection with his other alleged illegal transactions.
Like I said, its something bigger. Congress party probably has some sort of link with him, or will get exposed in some way.
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Ramana, wouldn't be suprised if they were part of brit intel network. Oman/Dubai both former brit colonies? Defo Oman was, and they have a big shipping link with Gujarat, have had one for many centuries. Brit yintel have a big presence in oman. Dubai govt controlled the quality of gold sold in dubai, so were famous. There was a gold smuggling ring in Oman, back in the days. Royal Omani Police brought in suspects who were suspected to have swallowed gold to hospitals. Dad dealt with a case with a sri lankan.
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shyamd wrote:
After successfully evading arrest for months, Hasan Ali had finally surrendered himself before the Mumbai Police on December 18 in connection with three fake passports that he had obtained.

While Hasan Ali has applied for bail in the passport forgery case, the ED is all set to take him into custody in connection with his other alleged illegal transactions.

Like I said, its something bigger. Congress party probably has some sort of link with him, or will get exposed in some way.
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Ramana, wouldn't be suprised if they were part of brit intel network. Oman/Dubai both former brit colonies? Defo Oman was, and they have a big shipping link with Gujarat, have had one for many centuries. Dubai govt controlled the quality of gold sold in dubai, so were famous. There was a gold smuggling ring in Oman, back in the days. Royal Omani Police brought in suspects who were suspected to have swallowed gold to hospitals. Dad dealt with a case with a sri lankan.
Lot of NRIs and Gulf people are trying to buy up Kangress party with this kind of money
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manish wrote:Here's an article that has appeared on Rediff an hour ago about how one of the accused in the Bangalore Blasts case was whisked out of Oman by RAW since there was/is no existing extradition treaty with them. Take it FWIW.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/mar/04b ... ission.htm
RAW nabs Bangalore blasts suspect in top-secret mission
Vicky Nanjappa in Bangalore
March 04, 2009 00:25 IST
In a top secret mission, a team of the Research and Analysis Wing tracked down an absconding accused in the Bangalore serial blasts case in Muscat, and sneaked him out of Oman, since India doesn't have an extradition treaty with that country.

Sarfaraz Nawaz, 32, who allegedly played a major role in financing the Bangalore blasts, had sought refuge in Muscat.

Investigating officials told rediff.com that a RAW team managed to track down Nawaz in Muscat. They added that Nawaz was 'smuggled into' Bangalore on a chartered aircraft.

The entire operation was so secretive that even the Air Traffic Control was taken aback when they received a message to help the chartered aircraft land at the Bengaluru [Images] International Airport.

After landing at the airport, officials of the RAW and the Intelligence Bureau called top Central Industrial Security Force officials and directed them to escort the passengers in the aircraft.
That's great work by RAW reminds me of the "Adolf Aickman" ? kidnapping operation that the Mossad pulled off in Argentina in the late 60s early 70s.
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^^^ while its a commendable job done, I wouldnt put it anywhere close to the Adolf Aickman example...Oman has VVV good relations with India, with the Sultan being a personal friend of a lot of the top politicians here..Someone trying to "hide" from India in Oman is pretty much selecting the worst detination possible..Most likely the Omani police would have apprehended the chap, based on Indian intel of course, and the ARC aricraft was sent to whisk him out of the country quickly..ARC aricraft are often used for such missions..In the past they have also been used to transport nukes!
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ramana wrote:Is he referring to Indian bureaucrats?
Yes he is reffering to Indian bureaucrats , and he is pointing fingers at PMO.

He does mention how PMO did not put him in the list of people meeting Powell on flimsy grounds
"It bewildered me. My interest in meeting Powell was, specifically, to find out about the Bush administration's follow-up on the Indian demand for the extradition of Ibrahim and others in the list submitted to Pakistan," Advani says.
What is more clear now from his memoir that Pakistan was willing to hand over D with some strings attached ? Or was it Paki way to gain some time so that D manages to move out of Pakistan for some time till things calm down ?
"He (Powell) told his Indian interlocutors that Pakistan would hand over Dawood Ibrahim to India 'with some strings attached' and also that Musharraf needed 15 to 20 days more for doing so," he writes.
So its quite clear now we will never ever get hold of D , he seems to have a longer reach in Indian Estb than the Home Minister of this country , perhaps if Advani ever becomes a PM he will have the full picture and do something.

On a more interesting note , every time there is an exchange of terror list between Indian and Pakistan and that I believe is the now famous 20 people list that India wants , D is always there in the top three some kind of posturing by GOI ?
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manish wrote:Here's an article that has appeared on Rediff an hour ago about how one of the accused in the Bangalore Blasts case was whisked out of Oman by RAW since there was/is no existing extradition treaty with them. Take it FWIW.
http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/mar/04b ... ission.htm
Once again, my regards to RAW if the above story is true . I would assume it is since Vicky Nanjappa seems to have pretty good sources in the IB.

Hope that RAW is slowly turning a corner.
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I thought we have a defence deal with Oman where in India is supposed to deploy troops in Oman if need arises. Is a formal extradition treaty necessary in this situation to nab a suspect from Oman?

Full credit to RAW for the job if the details are correct. Keep going guys..
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Oman is our closest ally in the middle east. Well, if a formal extradition treaty existed, then everything could have gone through, via the courts in Oman. Everything could have been "official". Since there wasn't then, this would have had to be the result.
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shyamd wrote:Oman is our closest ally in the middle east. Well, if a formal extradition treaty existed, then everything could have gone through, via the courts in Oman. Everything could have been "official". Since there wasn't then, this would have had to be the result.
Shyamd,

Is it only because of the close relations with Oman that this was possible(they looked the other way) and it was not a completely covert op (as in the host country not knowing)?

Full credit to RAW though.....Hope we such actions in BD and Pak also very soon (no need to even snatch. Just simple bumping off will do fine)
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I remembered something I read a long time ago while watching AAJ Tak news channel about ISI and Dawood Ibrahim.

Long ago before Kushwant Singh became editor of Illustrated Weekly and destroyed it, it was the premier weekly news magazine in Indian homes. Once it had a series on Bombay underworld and traced its ascent after WWII. In particular Haji Mastan who was the king of numbers racket and the underworld. The writer pointed out that the foreign exchange controls that GOI imposed after 1955(?) led to an increase in smuggling of cigarettes and liquor. And the smugglers used to use the hawala method to transfer money from expatriates who were penalized by the FE rates of the GOI channels and buy gold in Dubai and smuggle it into India. The smugglers had a very sophisticated techniques of motoroized boats and wireless sets and contacts in Gulf countries. He said these smugglers were formerly employed by British secret services to land supplies and agents in Nazi sympathizers territory in Iraq and even North Africa. In other words the Bombay smugglers had links to intel agencies of the British.

My conjecture is with the British withdrawal they might have become ISI assets. Wonder if the Bombay CID or Special branch had ever pursued the angle of links between the criminal underworld and British Secret Services being retained after the end of WWII?
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Ramana the story is totally wrong first of all it was Ratan Khatri who was king of the numbers racket. It was Haji Mastan,et others like Sukur Narayan Bakhia, F Machhiwalla and a couple of others who were the the gold, textile, cigrates liquor, electronics smuglers, in fact haji mastan was a coolie in b'bay dockyard on whose life bollywood made a movie, Deevar acted by AB. all of whom were given amnesty by J.P. (Janta Gov) The real criminal don whom dawood replaced was the pathan Karim Lala who controlled the exhortion etc activites. Its doubtful if the Brit. Intl was intrested in any of these people and for what reason.
ps i think during kushwant singh time Illustrated weekly reached peak circulation, its downfall started after pritish nandy took over.
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sum wrote:
shyamd wrote:Oman is our closest ally in the middle east. Well, if a formal extradition treaty existed, then everything could have gone through, via the courts in Oman. Everything could have been "official". Since there wasn't then, this would have had to be the result.
Shyamd,

Is it only because of the close relations with Oman that this was possible(they looked the other way) and it was not a completely covert op (as in the host country not knowing)?

Full credit to RAW though.....Hope we such actions in BD and Pak also very soon (no need to even snatch. Just simple bumping off will do fine)
Sumji, This operation would have definetly had the go ahead of HM Sultan Qaboos. I personally don't think that Indian MEA would allow the indian officials to just walk in and kidnap the person with the risk of upsetting an ally. Like I said, the Omani Internal Security Service and the mili intel were likely to be involved. You see, Oman and India are facing similar threats and are fighting similar ideology.

Oman does give secret support to its allies, many of which never make it to the papers.

In short, this operation was possible due to our closeness in relations with Oman and their attitude towards terrorism.
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Jerry, Thanks for correcting me. Yes it was Ratan Khatri aka Ratan seth, the numbers king. And Haji Mastan et al were the nawabs of Bombay underworld if not the kings. And Amitabh Bacchan glamorised Haji Mastan's life in his film Deewar. So all my facts are wrong but I do recall that these folks developed the techniques by participating in the SIS runs.

I will get you confirmation even if it takes few months.

So was it Karim Lala that the movie D company was portraying? I thought it was Haji Mastan.
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The IB agents sitting in new delhi had better situational awareness than the mumbai police.
Was this due to intercepts of the terrorist communications or did the local IB agents in mumbai do a better job than the mumbai police?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 235124.cms

NEW DELHI: The Mumbai Police had "little knowledge" about the number of terrorists involved in the 26/11 attacks and the NSG was helped by the intelligence bureau with certain vital inputs, says former NSG chief J K Dutt.

Dutt, who himself led the NSG operations to flush out the Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists, said he had some information about the actual number of militants before launching the commando operation and was helped by intelligence bureau with vital inputs.

"The Mumbai police had little knowledge about the strength of the terrorists even after arresting Mohammed Ajmal Iman Kasab (the arrested terrorist) and told us that there were between four and 20 terrorists," he said.

"Locally (in the Mumbai Police), the figure was varying. It was put between 4 to 20 by the Mumbai Police. But, the intelligence bureau from New Delhi told me that my men had to account for eight AK rifles. It gave an indication of the presence of eight men," Dutt, who retired recently as NSG chief, said.
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ramana wrote:So was it Karim Lala that the movie D company was portraying? I thought it was Haji Mastan.
Yes it was on Karim Lala , Haji Mastan as i believe was respected by friends and foes alike for his principle stand , and we was only the few( perhaps the only one ) who left (alive) the Underworld Don/Smuggler to a normal civi life
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x post:
shyamd wrote:‘Conduit’ for Bangalore serial blasts arrested
Mr. Bidari denied reports that Nawaz was caught by RAW sleuths in Muscat and brought to Bangalore.

“We arrested Nawaz on February 27 in Kalasipalyam when he was about to board a bus to Kerala,” Mr. Bidari said.
B’lore blasts financier flown in from Oman
Bangalore: The Bangalore police on Saturday announced the arrest of a 31-year-old former SIMI activist based in Oman for financing the July 25 serial blasts in Bangalore carried out by a module from Kerala. They say he is linked to the Lashkar-e-Toiba as well.

The police claimed to have arrested Sarfaraz Nawaz, a native of Kerala, while he was attempting to board a bus in the Kalasipalyam area of Bangalore on February 27. However, sources say he was picked up in Muscat by central agencies and secretly brought to Bangalore.

Apart from financing the Bangalore blasts to the tune of Rs 3.25 lakh, Nawaz is a part of a LeT module that was plotting attacks on key scientists in India, Bangalore Police Commissioner Shankar Bidari said. “In December 2008, Nawaz along with Jasim and Ali (both members of LeT) discussed some plan to attack some prominent scientists of India and some other important personalities,” he said.

Sources said Jasim and Ali, an Omani national, were together responsible for funding the the journey of 26/11 Mumbai attack accused Fahim Ansari to Pakistan for Terror training.

Nawaz has also been linked during his stay in Oman since 2001 to one of the founding presidents of SIMI, C A M Basheer, who is believed to be in exile in the Middle-east.

The Bangalore police said Nawaz had been linked to the SIMI since 1995 and was an office secretary at the outfit’s Delhi office in 2000 before he left for Muscat in 2001. He allegedly became part of the conspiracy to carry out blasts in Bangalore on the instructions of LeT leaders based in the Gulf region such as Wali alias Rehan and Ali the Omani national.
Key conspirator in Bangalore blasts arrested
He was picked up by Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) in Oman. He was brought to Bangalore, where he was picked up by the city police.

Sarfaraz, along with his wife and son were in Oman, until he was picked up by Oman police in connection with another racket following which the family came down to Kerala. Sarfaraz has been remanded in Bangalore police custody till March 14.

During his interrogation, Sarfaraz revealed that he became a member of SIMI in 1995 and gradually came in contact with top SIMI leaders including Nazir alias Haji Ummer from Kannur and Wali alias Rehan, a Pakistani and member of the Lakshar-e-Toiba.He then returned to Oman and was in constant touch with Nazir.
Blast suspect brought to City from Oman
Bangalore, DHNS:

In a scene reminiscent of a James Bond thriller, a team from the Intelligence Bureau and Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) brought an accused in the Bangalore serial blast case from the Gulf state of Oman to the City last week.

Sources said, the team from RAW had reportedly nabbed Sarfraz Nawaz (32), one of the accused in the serial blasts. He is said to be a resident of Bangalore who had escaped to Muscat.

Sources added that RAW and IB officials who made an emergency landing at the Bengaluru International Airport on February 26 sought emergency clearance to land the chartered aircraft, a 10-seater Gulfstream jet at 2.20 am on Thursday last.

The RAW officials informed the ATC and BIA officials that the Government of India had approved the landing and sought immediate clearance.


The aircraft carried a VT code indicating it was registered in India. Immediately upon landing, they sought eight heavily armed security guards and two armed vehicles from the City police.

After security was provided to the aircraft, a fairly built man with a height of 5 feet 2 inches wearing a pink shirt and black trouser and face fully masked was escorted and whisked away into the VIP terminal of the BIA.
He was also accompanied by the RAW officials including senior officials with diplomatic passport. The accused was thereafter shifted to the armed vehicle arranged by the local police and taken to an undisclosed location, sources said. Investigations are on.
Arrested Nawaz co-ordinator of Indian Mujahideen
KOCHI, Mar 7: It has been confirmed that Sarfaraz Nawaz, arrested for his links in Bangalore blast was the state co-ordinator of Indian Mujahideen. Nawaz (32) was arrested by RAW sleuths from Muscat. He was arrested from Muscat with the help of Oman police for funding the accused in Bangalore blasts and will be handed over to ATS in Bangalore. The secret investigating team had received information that Nawaz had recruited youths from Ernakulam district to the Indian Mujahideen. RAW had asked the Bangalore ATS to confirm it with the help of the Kerala Police. The crime branch in Karnataka is probing the case with the help of the state police. Nawaz, who reached Muscat ten years back, was working as an instructor in a computer training centre. He used to stay away from home most of the time. Only recently he got married and his family is currently staying at Peringala.
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Austin wrote:, and we was only the few( perhaps the only one ) who left (alive) the Underworld Don/Smuggler to a normal civi life
If my understanding is correct another don of yester-years Varadaraja Mudaliar, who was into boot-legging and hooch also managed to live a normal civil life. This was after a young Police officer YC Pawar literally went after him and his business and shook it down. Varada had to move away to Madras and lived the rest of his life there.
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Beware the inscrutable slit-eyed Oriental woman!

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htinte ... 90308.aspx
The Modern Mata Hari Speaks Mandarin

March 8, 2009: Two Chinese women are being prosecuted for stealing American technology for China. A Maryland resident, Yaming Nina Qi Hanson, was caught exporting miniaturized autopilots for UAVs. An Illinois resident, Hanjuan Jin, was caught trying to get electronics design data (from her former employer, Motorola) to China. In both cases, the women were motivated by cash, and appeals to "help the motherland." Both these cases are part of a Chinese plan for using industrial espionage to turn their country into the mightiest industrial and military power on the planet. For over two decades, China has been attempting to do what the Soviet Union never accomplished; steal Western technology, then use it to move ahead of the West.
The Soviets lacked the many essential supporting industries found in the West (most founded and run by entrepreneurs), and was never able to get all the many pieces needed to match Western technical accomplishments. Soviet copies of American computers, for example, were crude, less reliable and less powerful. Same with their jet fighters, tanks and warships. China believes they can avoid the Soviet error by making it profitable for Western firms to set up factories in China, where Chinese managers and workers can be taught how to make things right.

At the same time. China allows thousands of their best students to go to the United States to study. While most of these students will stay in America, where there are better jobs and more opportunities, some will come back to China, and bring American business and technical skills with them.

Finally, China energetically uses the "thousand grains of sand" approach to espionage. This involves China trying to get all Chinese going overseas, and those of Chinese ancestry living outside the motherland, to spy for China, if only a tiny bit. This approach to espionage is nothing new. Other nations have used similar systems for centuries. What is unusual is the scale of the Chinese effort.

Backing it all up is a Chinese intelligence bureaucracy back home that is huge, with nearly 100,000 people working just to keep track of the many Chinese overseas, and what they could, or should, be to trying to grab for the motherland. It begins when Chinese intelligence officials examining who is going overseas, and for what purpose. Chinese citizens cannot leave the country, legally, without the state security organizations being notified. The intel people are not being asked to give permission. They are being alerted in case they want to have a talk with students, tourists or business people before they leave the country. Interviews are often held when these people come back as well.

Those who might be coming in contact with useful information are asked to remember what they saw, or bring back souvenirs. Over 100,000 Chinese students go off to foreign universities each year. Even more go abroad as tourists or on business. Most of these people were not asked to actually act as spies, but simply to share, with Chinese government officials (who are not always identified as intelligence personnel) whatever information they obtained. The more ambitious of these people are getting caught and prosecuted. But the majority, who are quite casual, and, individually, bring back relatively little, are almost impossible to catch.

The two Chinese female spies took a more dangerous approach, as witness their getting caught, by stealing boulders of information, rather than the less dangerous grains of sand. In both cases, China denies all involvement. But in the case of these two women, there is clear evidence of Chinese intelligence organizations being involved. This does not particularly bother China, except when their operatives are identified (and become less able to travel in the West). Gathering grains of data is much less risky.

Like the Russians, the Chinese are also using the traditional methods, using people with diplomatic immunity to recruit spies, and offering cash, or whatever, to get people to sell them information. This is still effective, and when combined with the "thousand grains of sand" methods, brings in lots of secrets. The final ingredient is a shadowy venture capital operations, sometimes called Project 863, that offers money for Chinese entrepreneurs who will turn the stolen technology into something real. No questions asked. If you can get back to China with the secrets, you are home free and potentially very rich.

But there are some legal problems. When the Chinese steal some technology, and produce something that the Western victims can prove was stolen (via patents and prior use of the technology), legal action can make it impossible, or very difficult, to sell anything using the stolen tech, outside of China. For that reason, the Chinese like to steal military technology. This kind of stuff rarely leaves China. And in some cases, like manufacturing technology, there's an advantage to not selling it outside of China. Because China is still a communist dictatorship, the courts do as they are told, and they are rarely told to honor foreign patent claims.
PS:"1000 grains of sand".The Chinese philosophy in battle of method of mass attack,is evdient here in Chinese espionage.In recent years,the Chinese have been building up huge arsenals of tactical missiles,with a production rate of 500+ each year,with which to overwhelm Taiwan and defend Tibet.India too has a huge number of expatriates and the Indian establishment can learn a trick or too from their Chinese counterparts.
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quoting Prasun from his blog:
Similarly, RAW's Aviation Research Centre has for the past seven years only been negotiating the purchase of three Gulfstream G-550s to replace its existing G-3s and Learjet 29s. Somehow the files don't seem to move ahead. Simiularly, the NTRO, which has bought several tens of millions of dollars worth of ELINT/SIGINT equipment to be installed at its main facility in Dehra Dun (where several hectares of land has already been acquired), has till this day been unable to secure approval from the Govt of India for going ahead with the construction of this facility in Dehra Dun.
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Hope this is not true!!!! :x
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Indian Mujahideen's top recruiter fled India after Batla House encounter
A man widely considered terrorist outfit Indian Mujahideen’s chief recruiter has fled the country using his own, genuine passport.

He left within a week of surviving the Batla House encounter last year, according to those close to investigations into terrorist incidents.

When asked why no one had thought of cancelling his passport, to prevent him from fleeing, he said that only the police of Delhi, Gujarat and Jaipur have the answer. Mirza Shadab Baig was not just Indian Mujahideen’s chief scout but also an active operations man heading a few of its bombing operations — at Children’s Park near India Gate on September 13 last year and at the Sankat Mochan temple in Varanasi on March 7, 2006.

“Shadab is hiding in Saudi Arabia and often establishes contacts with people through Internet, chatting with them using gmail and yahoo accounts,” said a Union Home Ministry source, refusing to be identified. “He is working with a relative at a laundry there.”

Shadab’s flight to Saudi Arabia may have gone unnoticed but for the confession of an accomplice, Hakim Abdul Karim, a man arrested by the anti-terrorist squad of Uttar Pradesh for involvement in Delhi and Jaipur blasts in 2008.

Karim’s confession checked out a little later with the arrest of Talha Amir, son of firebrand president of Ulema Council Maulana Amir Rashadi Madni. They had been in touch through Internet chatting – investigators tracked down Shadab’s IP address too.

Shadab was number three in the Mehmood Ghaznavi brigade headed by friend Mohammad Atif Amin, who was gunned down in an encounter with Delhi police in 2008. Being an engineer himself, Shadab was entrusted with turning students of technical courses.

He started with his cousin Shaquib Nisar and then picked up several went on picking up boys at the Integral University, Lucknow, where he pursued his BTech. That’s where he recruited Hakim who was then in the fourth year of his bio-technology course.

“He turned nearly five boys at the university before he participated in the blast at Sankat Mochan temple in Varanasi,” said an official source, requesting anonymity.

UP police’s additional director general of police (law and order) Brajlal refused to comment on Shadab’s disappearance. But, he said, “concerted efforts were on and we will bring them to justice as and when we get them.”

When asked why no one had thought of cancelling his passport, to prevent him from fleeing, he said that only the police of Delhi, Gujarat and Jaipur have the answer.



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This is the sort of intel failure that can turn the tide against us. Imagine what would happen if ISI links up with this guy and cultivates him to revive the IM. Lets hope the Multi Agency Centre (MAC) would prevent such instances from happening again.
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They let him go for greater purposes.
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