Intelligence & National Security Discussion

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2009 20:23

sum could be both. The Mumbai attack thread has details of the J&K inspector. However the SIM cards number was small. Now its 33 cards. So has to be a combination.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Oct 2009 21:10

I think they should let RAW be there as a sponge to attract all the penetration attempts and build a new covert inelligence service. RAW and IB are totally penetrated and politicised.

Most of the open source/strategic intelligence can be handled by JIC and its secretariat. One needs covert capability for only a limited numberr of ops. And improve the area studies depts of the utys to provide a staedy stream of scholars to serve as back-up and contrarian view to JNU brigade.

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 29 Oct 2009 06:43

J&K journalist visited Muridke acted as spy

Arrested journalist Farooq Ganaie, head of News Agency of Kashmir (NAK), was today sent to Joint Interrogation Centre (JIC) following sensational revelations made by him that he had even visited Murid Ke headquarters of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) in July 2007.

Ganaie admitted that he used to save photographs and other sensitive information in his email ID. He had supplied his ID and password to the Field Intelligence Unit (FIU), an Intelligence wing of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). The FIU used to download the information with the help of Ganaie’s password and then delete it from his email account.

Police have sought the help of BSNL to extract Call Detailed Record (CDR) of Ganaie’s mobile phone as he was reported to have received several phone calls from Pakistan including some from the FIU officials and other from the militant commanders. Western Union money transfer bank has also been approached by the police to ascertain exact amount received by Ganaie from the FIU through hawala from Spain and other countries since 2007.

Official sources said Ganaie has admitted during his sustained questioning by police that he had visited Murid Ke, the Lashkar headquarters in July 2007 during his media trip to Pakistan. From Murid Ke, Ganaie was taken to Sialkot where he was shown a training camp of LeT. He also inter-acted with some militants of Jammu and Kashmir in the training camp.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 30 Oct 2009 17:21

shyamd wrote: Intel machinery is gearing up for China threat. NTRO is leading interceptions in stations in Arunachal. RAW is having a bit of trouble sorting out the China dept. More later and when appropriate.

Uma Mishra was supposed to become head of China operations at RAW. He was a deputy director and a former station chief in Beijing for many years but his circle had been penetrated by Chinese intelligence. He was operating under the diplomatic cover of first secretary at the Indian embassy in Beijing. The chap was sleeping around and had 2 mistresses(his chinese interpretor and housekeeper) There was some sort of fight between the two and RAW got a little suspicious. Both turned out to be from 2 rival chinese intelligence agencies. (Double penetration

) For the last few weeks, he is under investigation for corruption. This guy was supposedly our top china watchers.

NTRO has set up listening stations in Arunachal. Yindu special forces have been doing some reconnaissance and other missions into China. The 30,000 men of mountain division will join up and work with these special forces. Chinese have also been sending their special forces into indian territory. Both sides are little worried that the 2 special forces troops may meet and cause a border clash of some sort. The chances are very high at the moment.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 30 Oct 2009 18:52

Rahul..please be careful

...big fellas after you

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 30 Oct 2009 18:57

shyamd wrote:
shyamd wrote: Intel machinery is gearing up for China threat. NTRO is leading interceptions in stations in Arunachal. RAW is having a bit of trouble sorting out the China dept. More later and when appropriate.
Uma Mishra was .... the moment.

Wow..Shyam..thank you for sharing this

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 30 Oct 2009 23:11

shyamd wrote: NTRO has set up listening stations in Arunachal. Yindu special forces have been doing some reconnaissance and other missions into China. The 30,000 men of mountain division will join up and work with these special forces. Chinese have also been sending their special forces into indian territory. Both sides are little worried that the 2 special forces troops may meet and cause a border clash of some sort. The chances are very high at the moment.

Hi Shyam Sir....Thanks a lot for this info.

Sir, Are you from IB or RAW ?? I mean how did you get this info about these listening stations ??

And sir, Is this appropriate to share this info in public forum ?? (Although I got excited after reading this but I don't know if it's appropriate to talk about this in public domain)

Finally what does Yindu mean & Yankees too ??

Thanks

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 30 Oct 2009 23:51

Sunny,

Yindu=Hindu
Yankees= Americans

This should help you in future.

Cheers,
Venkat

sunny y · Post by **sunny y** » 31 Oct 2009 12:39

Venkarl wrote:Sunny,

Yindu=Hindu
Yankees= Americans

This should help you in future.

Cheers,
Venkat

Thanks alot Venkarl....That is really good.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 31 Oct 2009 22:21

He is a student just like most here. He specializes in looking for info of use here.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 02 Nov 2009 18:52

Chinese parts in IAF encryption devices prompt security probe

Kati · Post by **Kati** » 02 Nov 2009 20:10

shyamd wrote:
shyamd wrote: Intel machinery is gearing up for China threat. NTRO is leading interceptions in stations in Arunachal. RAW is having a bit of trouble sorting out the China dept. More later and when appropriate.
Uma Mishra was supposed to become head of China operations at RAW. He was a deputy director and a former station chief in Beijing for many years but his circle had been penetrated by Chinese intelligence. He was operating under the diplomatic cover of first secretary at the Indian embassy in Beijing. The chap was sleeping around and had 2 mistresses(his chinese interpretor and housekeeper) ......

EDIT are expert in this honey-trap, and some of our spooky babus get trapped with honey all over .....

By the way, chinki pinkis have expanded their honey trap all over the mass-land, trapping some mid level scientists in wekk known schools. The process starts from school corridors to major conferences ....

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 04 Nov 2009 10:57

ISRO, DRDO must step up internal vigilance, say experts

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 04 Nov 2009 21:29

High Time for National Intelligence Coordinator

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 08 Nov 2009 12:20

SWAT for Delhi

VijayKumarSinha · Post by **VijayKumarSinha** » 08 Nov 2009 13:36

Jamal K. Malik wrote:SWAT for Delhi

Everything looks great except for the fact that they are being handed AK-47's which is not a precision tool required for this kind of job.

Also, although the article mentions LAPD's ARV it doesn't mention what kind of ARV our SWAT's will be using, if at all.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 10 Nov 2009 03:45

Indian mission in Dhaka on alert after terror attack warning

In fact, on Monday, Bangladesh agencies claimed to have foiled an attack on the Indian high commission in Dhaka by LeT and HUJI. This was said to have been revealed by three men, two from LeT and one from HUJI, who were arrested earlier but, as diplomatic sources revealed, this had not been conveyed to the Indian high commission officially by Bangladesh till late evening on Monday.

The terror alert almost came true on Monday when Bangladesh agencies claimed to have foiled an attack on the Indian high commission. The three men, who were arrested from Chittagong, are said to have been also planning to attack the US embassy and British high commission. They are said to have revealed that three other men had arrived in Bangladesh from Pakistan to bomb foreign missions.

VijayKumarSinha · Post by **VijayKumarSinha** » 10 Nov 2009 14:17

Indian intelligence team returns without quizzing Headley:

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Indian-in ... 74776.aspx

I wonder if they would have been allowed to use the 3rd degree,

had they interrogated him.

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 10 Nov 2009 23:56

Indian intelligence team returns without questioning US LeT man
And you think before boarding the flight, they might have requeted access to Headley and all the paperwork should be in order.. Either there is a cover up or this story is definately off the wire..More than what meets the eye...

Craig Alpert · Post by **Craig Alpert** » 12 Nov 2009 20:45

Craig Alpert wrote:Indian intelligence team returns without questioning US LeT man
And you think before boarding the flight, they might have requeted access to Headley and all the paperwork should be in order.. Either there is a cover up or this story is definately off the wire..More than what meets the eye...

NIA registers case against Headley, Rana

But Chidambaram said questioning Headley "was never on the agenda" of Indian investigators.
"Indian officers went to Washington. It (questioning Headley in Chicago) was never on the agenda," he said, adding they had gone there to conduct investigations and talk to FBI officials.

hmmm...intersting snippet to say the least

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 12 Nov 2009 20:55

FBI team headed to India to probe LeT plot

They might be travelling to some of cities where Headley visited while he was here. Since a Chicago court has given a 60-day deadline to the FBI to complete its investigations in the case and file an indictment, they want to move fast in the case

Ankit

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 12 Nov 2009 21:04

Why the Indian intel team failed to interrogate Headley

In the United States, it is important to obtain the court's permission before interrogating anyone on its soil," the agent said, requesting that his name not be mentioned in this report.

Ankit

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 12 Nov 2009 21:24

Ulfa donors’ list drawn up
Guwahati, Nov. 11: Interrogators quizzing arrested Ulfa “finance secretary” Chitrabon Hazarika have begun drawing up a list of contributors to the outfit.

“Some of the names of companies they (the interrogators) have gleaned from Hazarika have come as a surprise,” a source close to the interrogators said, adding that more information was expected from the Ulfa leader.

Hazarika was arrested along with Ulfa’s “foreign secretary” Sasha Choudhury.

They were held in Tripura while trying to infiltrate into India from Bangladesh and were subsequently handed over to Assam police.

However, the Ulfa leadership claims that they were picked up from Bangladesh by unidentified persons and were handed over to the BSF along the border on November 1.

During the interrogation, it transpired that Hazarika had sufficient knowledge about Ulfa’s finances although the outfit’s commander-in-chief, Paresh Barua, and his deputy, Raju Barua, too, kept track.

Haziraka told interrogators that several companies operating in Assam were still paying to the Ulfa coffers.

“Most of these payments are made through hawala transactions,” a source said.

Unlike the Tata Tea episode where the company was dragged into a controversy for allegedly paying for the treatment of Ulfa leader Pranati Deka at a Mumbai hospital, there is no official document to nail any of these “big payers” to book them, the source said.

“As these payments were made through hawala transactions, there is no official document or proof yet to nail these companies,” the source said, adding that more investigation would be required to build up cases against them.

Hazarika said although Ulfa cadres operating in the state have been collecting funds for the organisation, these do not amount to much.

“Only small time businessmen, including local traders, are being served with extortion notices. The multinational companies are making payments directly to the leadership and these are done thorough hawala transactions,” the source said, quoting Hazarika.

The Ulfa “finance secretary” also told interrogators that a few surrendered militants were helping the outfit in its fund collection drives.

“A few surrendered militants have been acting as conduits of the banned outfit and striking deals with companies,” the source said.

Not only are these former militants paying one per cent of their income to the outfit’s coffers but also acting as negotiators between Ulfa and the big payers.

The revelations come amid reports that group of newly trained Ulfa cadres in Myanmar have been asked to enter Assam and launch attacks.
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091112/j ... 730813.jsp

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 12 Nov 2009 21:33

Ankit Desai wrote:Why the Indian intel team failed to interrogate Headley

In the United States, it is important to obtain the court's permission before interrogating anyone on its soil," the agent said, requesting that his name not be mentioned in this report.
Ankit

We didn’t let that stop the Amrikhans to interrogate Ajmal kassab did we!

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 12 Nov 2009 21:54

pl dont euqate yourself with the amrikhans... we were begging them for providing tech help with investigations ... and other assistance... beggars cant be choosers !!

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 12 Nov 2009 23:17

Manjgu, You should have put a

to avoid being reported.
Folks nowadays are hypersensitive and report all sorts of imagined slurs. Must be mirroring seniors.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 13 Nov 2009 00:17

The housecleaners of embassies in China operate like an intelligence agency. Several foreign embassies in Beijing, and notably Japan, are complaining about constant intrusion by Chinese intelligence. The department operates like a private service company for embassies, providing cleaning, housing, car-parking and translation services, among others.

The Beijing Service Bureau for Diplomatic Missions (BSBDM) also manages a huge property portfolio and virtually all embassies that move to new addresses call on its services, as do embassies that want to renovate their premises.

Only the Americans and British have defied the Beijing Service Bureau for Diplomatic Missions, feeling that its employees are in a position to cram buildings full of sophisticated eavesdropping gear.

Now you know how RAW employees got into a spot of bother in Beijing.

Babu · Post by **Babu** » 15 Nov 2009 12:51

Can anybody enlighten us to the quality of intellegence assets in Pakistan & Afganistan and Iran areas.Is it adaquate for current & future needs.And are we doing anything there.

KiranM · Post by **KiranM** » 15 Nov 2009 13:04

Latest news feed on TV. 'A Pak spy arrested in IGI airport on Saturday. Confirmed by Home Secretary Pillai.'

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 15 Nov 2009 15:57

Babu wrote:Can anybody enlighten us to the quality of intellegence assets in Pakistan & Afganistan and Iran areas.Is it adaquate for current & future needs.And are we doing anything there.

Babu, welcome to BR. Do you seriously believe that such a question will ever be answered, even if anybody knows a thing or two ? We can however infer a few things at least in the case of TSP, like the recording of the conversation between Musharraf in China and his deputy Mohammed Aziz during Kargil time. Then, again, India giving clinching evidence to the US on money transfer to Mohammed Atta by ISI chief Mahmood Ahmed. Even earlier, Rajiv Gandhi briefed a startled Ms. BB, PM of TSP, on the progress made by their team of chors in the nuke weapon area. So, in terms of Pakistan we have traditionally had a good coverage. I amsure that we have had excellent contacts in Afghanistan too except for the Taliban interregnum.

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 15 Nov 2009 16:09

India works on to-do list to revamp homeland security

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 17 Nov 2009 03:00

x post

shyamd wrote:Indian Express: New Delhi plans to woo Tehran with offers of greater intelligence sharing, revival of defence training, as well as a possible launch of the latter’s satellite, but will remain non-committal on the proposed Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline

Found the original article. Very interesting indeed.

Link
New Delhi plans to woo Tehran with offers of greater intelligence sharing, revival of defence training and a possible launch of the latter’s satellite but will remain non-committal on the proposed Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline.

India’s objective, drafted a month after President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad got a second term in July, is to engage more with Iran at a time when the West is treating it like a pariah over its nuclear programme.

“Increased isolation of Iran provides us with an opportunity... inviting the Iranian Foreign Minister to visit India at this juncture would be viewed as a big gesture by Iran,” an External Affairs Ministry official was quoted as saying during an inter-ministerial strategy meet.

A fresh invitation was sent following which Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki is arriving on Monday for a two-day visit to call on Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and meet counterpart S M Krishna.

While discussing terrorism emanating out of Pakistan, India will suggest greater sharing of intelligence on the movement of Lashkar-e-Toiba operatives who, according to electronic intercepts, move to Tehran or Zahidan. Last November, India had passed on “useful” information to Tehran on terrorist movement.

The issue of Indian Muslim students going to Qom for religious studies will also be taken up with Mottaki as these students are being targeted by Pakistani operatives for recruitment as militants against India.

On the agenda will be a visit by the topmost official of the Research & Analysis Wing, India’s secret service, to Tehran that has been delayed because of the formation of a new government in India and revamp of the intelligence set-up in Iran.

Iran’s strategy on Afghanistan — that all foreign forces should leave it within a specified time frame — will also be taken up with the emphasis that Tehran should not just be bothered about consolidating the Afghan areas adjacent to it. The second concern on Afghanistan will be addressed by inviting an Iranian delegation from the Narcotics Control Board to cooperate on plugging the movement of narcotics to the two countries.

One “big gesture” by India at the talks will be an offer to launch Iran’s commercial satellite through an ISRO vehicle for which the technical details — sent by the Iranians in July — have been sent to Indian Space Research Organisation for “assessing the nature of the satellite”.

The Mesbah, designed to travel in low earth orbit to assist in data communication over three years, was first timed for a launch by a Russian Cosmos-3 satellite-carrier but that did not happen. Last week, satellite maker Carlo Gavazzi Space Company of Italy refuted Iran’s claim that it would be launching the satellite after March 2011.

India would also use “softer defence options” to take forward their Joint Working Group on Defence Cooperation that has been dormant since 2005. It is proposed to invite more Iranians for defence courses and cooperation in limited dual-use areas. But there will be polite no to Iran’s request for a joint patrolling exercise in the Gulf — an “engagement of sensitive nature”.

On the IPI pipeline, India’s stance is that the 30 million standard cubic metres of gas per day being provided by Iran was “not a big amount” and that there were issues such as its delivery point, security through Pakistan and pricing which were yet to be resolved.
Its clear, the visit has been more of security and regional development related visit rather than economic or commercial.

Intel agreements now with Iran, Oman, Qatar... in future Kuwait, maybe Bahrain.

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 17 Nov 2009 04:04

KiranM wrote:Latest news feed on TV. 'A Pak spy arrested in IGI airport on Saturday. Confirmed by Home Secretary Pillai.'

Pak spy worked in mobile shop in Delhi: Police

He was working in a mobile repair shop on Loni Road in Mansarovar Park for the past three years as a technician," the official said, adding that his employer had claimed that Jabbar was introduced to him by a neighbour.

Ankit

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Nov 2009 00:52

Our agencies need to have psychologists recruited. They can help immensely in special operations. I suppose military intel can get access to psychologists. But I wonder if central agencies can. A lot of israaa-eeli operations take into the considerations psychologists opinions in almost every operation. Believe me they help big time.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Nov 2009 01:43

somewhere down in pakibanistan, my fear is some group of terrorists planning for 2012 to become a real world event.

Ankit Desai · Post by **Ankit Desai** » 18 Nov 2009 04:53

Cable fault kept top security phones in RAW Hqs out of order for 3 months

The extraordinary glitch was caused by faulty cabling but what is surprising is that the lines remained "out of order" for so long given that there are only a very limited number of RAX lines, supposedly secure connections, run from the exchange located at Rashtrapati Bhawan.

Ankit

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 18 Nov 2009 05:24

US boosts India's anti-terror efforts

Pakistan has more nuclear weapons than India: Report

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 18 Nov 2009 06:11

Morale is low and expertise even lower
V Sudarshan

First Published : 17 Nov 2009 01:36:00 AM IST
Last Updated : 17 Nov 2009 03:05:50 PM IST

NEW DELHI: India’s spies at the Research and Analysis Wing, dread their next chief, Avdesh Bihari Mathur, a protégé of National Security Advisor M K Narayanan for whom mountains are being moved so that he can take over when incumbent K C Verma demits office in January 2011.

In early September, the RAW received an extraordinary communication from the government appointing Mathur a special secretary on the Rs 76,000-80,000 pay scale. This pay scale does not exist in RAW; special secretaries there start at Rs 80,000. The chief informed the cabinet secretary who overnight promoted Mathur as special secretary, without waiting for a finance ministry clearance. This post upgrade was unprecedented, say senior RAW officers.

In a reflex reaction, the additional secretaries from batches senior to Mathur’s (1975, Manipur) went on leave, complaining to both their chief and the cabinet secretary. One quit. Mathur had superseded six (P M Heblikar, Bidhan Rawal and C K Sinha from the 1973 batch; Anand Arni, Sharad Kumar and Ashok Kapoor from the 1975 batch).

Sinha has contested the appointment at CAT.

Theoretically, the next RAW chief could be chosen from Mathur, Arni or Kapoor. Narayanan’s speeding up of the paperwork for Mathur’s promotion makes it clear that the choice will be no contest.

This will drive the low morale that has plagued RAW ever since the NSA began planting “outsiders” as chiefs (in the guise of fixing the organisation) to rock bottom, say a number of officers. Verma tried to stem the damage by calling a meeting of officers and telling them bluntly not to go on a protest leave. At the same time, however, he declared his “hands are tied” and claimed he was only implementing a “government order”. This assuaged no one; they saw a glass ceiling being put in place for the foreseeable future.

What galled them was not that officers who spent over 25 years serving the nation were being overlooked, but that Mathur’s blotched career, including his proximity to a section of a divided business house (Reliance) with great reach inside government, was being ignored.

Jamal K. Malik · Post by **Jamal K. Malik** » 18 Nov 2009 15:48

NSG to train with Germany's counter-terror force

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 18 Nov 2009 17:13

BBC says ISRO is not lauching any Iranian satellite

IMHO, we should get closer to Iran. Encirclement of Pak from Afghan and Iran.