Intelligence & National Security Discussion

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 02 Jul 2013 13:43

Check out Salman Kurshid Statement today he said he agreed that tapping phone managed to stop Terror activity and he agreed with US POV , he said this issue were never brought up when Kerry was there.

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Postby Austin » 02 Jul 2013 15:44

India says it has turned down Snowden asylum request

India has turned down a request for asylum from fugitive US intelligence analyst Edward Snowden, the foreign ministry said Tuesday.

"We have carefully examined the request. Following that examination we have concluded that we see no reason to accede to the request," said foreign ministry spokesman Syed Akbaruddin.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 02 Jul 2013 15:47

This was the golden opportunity to have a bargaining chip against US for rabindar singh & headly rana. :evil:

But who is going to take it? manmohan? sonia? :x

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 02 Jul 2013 16:59

India wont be able to stand up to US pressure on this no matter who the government is so they rejected it , You can just imagine how Senators will be up on us with some law punishing us for doing that.

More amusing statements from Kurshid

It is not actually snooping: Khurshid on US surveillance
External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid on Tuesday defended the vast U.S. surveillance programme under which India is the fifth most tracked country, saying, “it is not actually snooping.”

“This is not scrutiny and access to actual messages. It is only computer analysis of patterns of calls and emails that are being sent. It is not actually snooping on specifically on content of anybody’s message or conversation”, Mr. Khurshid, who is currently in Brunei to attend series of ASEAN meetings, told reporters.

“Some of the information they (the US) got out of their scrutiny, they were able to use it to prevent serious terrorist attacks in several countries,” he said.

The remarks are in contrast with that of the ministry, which had initially termed as “unacceptable” any privacy violation after whistleblower Edward Snowden, a former technical assistant for the CIA, had blown the lid off US’ National Security Agency’s secret spy programme.

As per the leaked documents, India has emerged as the fifth most tracked country by the US intelligence which used a secret data-mining programme to monitor worldwide internet data.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 02 Jul 2013 18:41

Mote MUTU than needed. He could say no comment.

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Postby Rony » 02 Jul 2013 18:58

Salman Khurshid and the MEA spokesperson Akburuddin are a disgrace ! Not that this govt as a whole is any better ! Even if they have rejected the asylum, they could have kept quite.What is the reason for revealing it and showing how incompetent this govt is ! This moron khurshid who is not even fit for a chaprasi post is behaving like a SD spokesperson rather than a foreign minister of India. Ack thoo !

India could have used this occasion and delayed his application for few more weeks and then negotiated with the US ! Even Pakistan is more capable of playing games with US than us ! If we cant play games when occasion comes, then dont blame others when they take us for granted and play games with us when its their turn !
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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby RoyG » 02 Jul 2013 18:58

IBNLIVE reporting that J&K police had arrested 3 people in a plot to kill Modi.

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Postby darshhan » 02 Jul 2013 19:21

ramana wrote:Mote MUTU than needed. He could say no comment.


Ramana Ji, The problem is that Indian Govt. is itself practicing such measures against Indians(including political opponents). Hence Khurshid has to defend these measures.

Is there any difference between so called democracies and totalitarian states today, considering that the former are themselves morphing into police and surveillance states :?:

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby prahaar » 02 Jul 2013 19:30

darshhan wrote:
ramana wrote:Mote MUTU than needed. He could say no comment.


Ramana Ji, The problem is that Indian Govt. is itself practicing such measures against Indians(including political opponents). Hence Khurshid has to defend these measures.

Is there any difference between so called democracies and totalitarian states today, considering that the former are themselves morphing into police and surveillance states :?:


Why this equalitis between Indian government and US government? Is the point of discussion snooping by US agencies in US or snooping by US agencies in India. If the issue is the latter, what GOI does in India should not stop it from defending Indian territory (incl. people) from snooping by US.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby darshhan » 02 Jul 2013 19:50

prahaar wrote:Why this equalitis between Indian government and US government?.


I never said US govt and Indian govt are equal. That is your interpretation of what I said.

If anything US is miles ahead of India as far as surveillance state is concerned. It is a matter of pity though that Indian Govt is trying to catch up with US. And to save the current Indian govt Khurshid is defending such practices in advance as he probably suspects that in future, misdeeds(phone tapping etc) of the current congress govt will be exposed.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 02 Jul 2013 19:52

darshann, When in a hole stop digging. No need for further posts on this.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 03 Jul 2013 10:19

India’s cowardly display of servility

New Delhi’s undignified response to revelations that the U.S. spied on it is in sharp contrast to its stand on the same issue in the 1950s

India was not always so servile to the American narrative of world affairs. In the 1950s, the Indian government was very aware of attempts by the U.S. to spy on India, and made it clear that this was unacceptable.

In the early 1950s, Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru told his Foreign Secretary, Subimal Dutt that his government was “fully aware of the clandestine activities of a number of Foreign Missions in India,” with particular focus on the “Americans [who] indulged in such activities.” Spying could not be countenanced by Nehru, nor could the soft bribery of parties and friendship. “These Americans in India are lavish with their money and with entertainment,” he wrote in 1954. “They invite large numbers of our officers and other citizens, entertain them and, more especially, offer them alcoholic drinks in large quantities. Many of our people who go there talk freely and even loosely.” Nehru and his circle attempted to foster a healthy suspicion of the motives of both superpowers regarding India. His was not a sentiment that one could say is now anachronistic — faded away with the end of the Cold War. Nehru wanted to promote the dignity of the new India. That ethos should remain alive and well.

India’s response to the Snowden affair is both shoddy and undignified. At the very least, the External Affairs Minister should have taken the same kind of tack as adopted by the Europeans, arguably closer allies to the U.S. than India. India is also a signatory of the 1961 Vienna Convention. To be so cavalier about the implications of espionage shows that India, like the U.S., has become cynical about international law. This is a walk-down from the high ground that India once occupied.

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Postby VinodTK » 04 Jul 2013 16:31

Rude welcome for Antony, Chinese general warns India
India should stop provoking China and end stirring up trouble in the region to maintain peace along the long and disputed border, a senior People's Liberation Army (PLA) general said on Thursday, striking a controversial note hours before defence minister, AK Antony was to land in
Beijing.

Making strong comments before Antony's arrival, Major General Luo Yuan warned India that it should be careful with words and deeds. "India should be very cautious in what it does…in what it says," Lou said, adding that India was the only country in the world that was enhancing its military prowess citing China as a threat perception.

Lou repeatedly indicated that the onus was on India to maintain peace along the border between the two neighbours.

"Particularly, the Indian side should not provoke new problems and increase military deployment at the border areas and stir up new problems," Lou said.

Lou, with the Department of World Military Research of the Academy of Military Sciences of the People's Liberation Army, was speaking at a function organised by All-China Journalists Association (ACJA); the topic: China's Path of Peaceful Development.

He said tensions and problems existed between the two countries, particularly in the border areas.

"There is also the problem of 90,000 square kilometre of Chinese territory still occupied by the Indian side. It's a problem leftover from history…(but) India should not provoke, stir up new trouble," Luo said.

The general said Premier Li Keying's visit to India enhanced political relationship. "Now your defense minister is coming. The situation is within control. Up to India not to stir up new trouble," Lou said.
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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 05 Jul 2013 17:34

Thought this news should go here too:


Indian Politicians: Pakistan's Proxy Soldiers
| By RSN Singh |

Last Updated: Fri, Jul 05, 2013 11:37 hrs

​Col. Purohit of the Military Intelligence was implicated for his association with ‘Abhinav Bharat’, an organization labeled by the authorities as progenitor of so-called ‘Hindu Terror’. It is another matter that more than 50 officers of the army in the Court of Inquiry have vouched for the fact that he had kept all the relevant authorities in loop regarding his infiltration into the said organization. The officer also had very successfully infiltrated the Indian Mujahideen (IM) and was regularly invited by the Maharastra ATS to conduct lectures on IM and LeT. A fortnight before 26/11, Col Purohit was arrested. As a consequence the Military Intelligence of India was intimidated and paralyzed. Was it to facilitate the attack on Mumbai by the LeT?

Now there is an attack on the core of internal security, i.e. Intelligence Bureau of India. Its sin being that it provided ‘specific intelligence’ with regard to the plans by an itinerate module comprising four LeT terrorists, two Pakistanis and also an Indian woman Ishrat Jahan to kill the Chief Minister of a state of Union of India. It is another matter that this Chief Minister happens to be Narendra Modi. The dispensation in Delhi seems to convey ‘death to Modi, long live LeT’. The love or fear of LeT has impelled the quarters to consciously wreck the internal security apparatus of the country.

Even as the embers of the targeting of the IB fly in and outside the country, an Inspector of Punjab Police, Surjit Singh, has claimed that he has carried out 83 fake encounters at the behest of his bosses during the‘Sikh Freedom Movement’. The timing of the smote on the conscience and the moral churning process of this Inspector clearly indicates the identity of his benefactors. The ISI’s desperate bid to revive militancy in Punjab through its strategic arm LeT has been widely reported in the media. This seems to be yet another attempt by the ISI and LeT to destroy the security apparatus in Punjab so as to make uncontested in-roads.

The targets have been carefully selected i.e the Military Intelligence, the Intelligence Bureau and the state police forces, which includes the Gujarat Police, where nearly a dozen officers have been hounded and intimidated by the Center. The only officer who has found favour of the Center was the one demanding a Black Berry phone from a political party to settle political scores.

The common enemy of these agencies is the LeT. It is the same LeT (Markaz-e-Taiba), which has received Rs.61 million by the Punjab government in Pakistan as grant-in-aid in the current fiscal. The tragedy is that it is not only Pakistan establishment which grovels to the head of LeT, Hafiz Saeed, but the Indian establishment as well.

The love or fear of LeT has impelled the quarters to consciously wreck the internal security apparatus of the country.

Ishrat Jahan, a 19 year old girl from Mumbai was killed with LeT terrorists in Ahmedabad in an encounter on 15 June 2004. The family members in hindsight allege that Ishrat was abducted by the IB. It is queer that once she went missing her family members did not deem it fit to lodge an FIR with the Mumbai Police. Their inaction and silence on the issue can also be construed that the links with LeT run much deeper and wider.

The dispensation by attacking the Special Director of the Intelligence Bureau, Rajendra Kumar, has attacked the core of India’s internal security intelligence. All for whom, but the LeT! Mr Rajendra Kumar’s failing has been his being professional and conscientious. In that he acquired intelligence from ‘sources’, informed the higher-ups in Delhi, which includes his seniors and in-turn the Ministry of Home Affairs. His main failing however was that, in the process, he was not saving a Chief Minister but Narendra Modi. If he had acted in the same manner to save the life of some privileged ‘democratic-monarchs’ of the country, he would have been awarded Padma Vibhushan and in the case of highest monarch a ‘ Bharat Ratna.’ After all the same dispensation rewarded Mr Brajesh Mishra with Padma Vibushan for his Boston rescue operation of the ‘Yuvraj’. Readers with little research can know the truth.

Never before in the history of India, an IB or R&AW official was asked to submit before the CBI for interrogation on professional matters. Is it a ploy to unravel the entire intelligence framework of the country? This author who served with R&AW would have preferred to kill himself rather than submit to the CBI for interrogation of sensitive matters that are vital to Indian security interests. If this author was the head of the IB, the Special Director would have reported to the CBI over his dead body. The CBI has absolutely no competence to interrogate an IB and R&AW official on matters of internal and external security. By sheer level of politicization, the mediocre content of the job of the CBI, it is ill-equipped to deal with IB and R&AW officials.

If the CBI cannot be trusted with Arushi murder case or the Nithari case pertaining to Moninder Singh Pandher, what is its credibility! The whole world knows the truth in these cases sans the CBI. Can the Prime Minister at the current stage of his life cross his heart and vouch that he does not know the truth in these two cases? How has suddenly the CBI become the repository of the national conscience, which includes the IB and the R&AW?

The IB has been pitted against the CBI. In the case of blasts in Malegaon in 2006, the NIA has been pitted against the Maharastra ATS and the CBI. And earlier in Col Purohit’s case the Mahrastra ATS was pitted against the Military Intelligence. The effect of the orchestrated attrition is already beginning to tell.

This systematic destruction of India’s internal security apparatus is not only for vote-bank politics as most commentators are suggesting. Of course the Modi-phobia is a factor but not the sole reason.It has a larger dimension which is evident from the nervousness displayed by the dispensation with regard to ISI, Hafiz Saeed and David Headley. Do they know too much? Were they used to stage 26/11 to counter Jehadi terror by creating the specter of ‘Hindu Terror’? How does David Headley have the gumption to abuse Indian interrogators? Are the services of the ISI and LeT being obtained to influence vote-bank politics? Is the LeT and the ISI asking too much in return? These are questions which readers must ponder upon.

While the readers do so, their benchmark should be the fact that if Ajmal Kasab had not developed cold feet and caught alive, all preparations has been made to label 26/11 as act of ‘Hindu Terror’. Books to this effect were pre-written and the choice of the Chief Guest decided. Till today nobody has questioned as to how an unconstitutional authority was indirect communication with the Maharastra ATS Chief Hemant Karkare, and eliciting sensitive security details. If this politician cannot explain this he should be treated like any other terrorist.

For matters of national security the relationship between all the intelligence organizations of the States and the Center is both vertical and horizontal. Flow of intelligence is not only from top to down but in the reverse order too. Moreover, there is lateral sharing as well. The multiplicity of agencies has its benefits in terms of overlap, corroboration and coverage. By targeting the IB, the Military Intelligence, the state security apparatus of Gujarat and the previous Maharastra ATS, the dispensation has intimidated the entire intelligence network of India. India is now an open and defenseless target. The traitors as of now have prevailed!

No intelligence official now will provide or share information with the same degree of sincerity and patriotism. The Indian intelligence community is now a scared community. Nationalism and patriotism have become criminal attributes. Things have gone so anti-national that the most sensitive information was being leaked by the CBI pertaining details of Ishrat Jahan case and there were media houses, flaunting documents which should have been only for the consumption of Prime Minister and the Home Minister. The Pakistan or the ISI connection of some of these news channels and journalists is too well known.

Ishrat Jahan and her associates were nothing but tools of proxy war by Pakistan. Anybody with a modicum of understanding of terrorism will understand that the role of Ishrat was to act as suicide-bomber, as revealed by David Headley. There are any number of such modules waiting to strike. Rajiv Gandhi too was eliminated by eliciting the services of one such suicide bomber through the aegis of LTTE. This could not have happened without unsuspecting facilitators within.

Indian should realize that this is an era of proxy wars. A civilized country to retain its civility has to fight with uncivilized ‘proxy soldiers’, the kind of Ishrat Jahan. In this proxy war, which is also referred to as ‘intelligence wars’, the role of intelligence agencies is predominant. In dealing with such adversaries, there are methods, which have been used in the past to bring back civility, whose peace dividends people of India including the politicians, the civil activists and the vocal media continue to enjoy. One such region is the Punjab province of India. The dispensation at the behest and blackmail of external enemies has by design destroyed the entire internal security apparatus assiduously built over the years for the LeT and vote-bank politics.

India now stands exposed. Whenever there is the next blast or terrorist attack don’t expect too much from Indian intelligence framework. It stands intimidated and unraveled. It will be extremely difficult for the Indian security apparatus to recover from this wreck.

The ISI and LeT has won!


Sorry RoyG I've included the link now. Thanks Rahul, good to see you back. :)
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^Link?

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 05 Jul 2013 20:18

Here there is another article by the same writer as pointed by Murugan in NM thread:

http://www.sify.com/news/why-are-some-of-our-politicians-so-afraid-of-hafiz-saeed-news-columns-ngxuNRjaafd.html

Why are some of our politicians so afraid of Hafiz Saeed?
| By RSN Singh |
Source : SIFY
Last Updated: Sun, Jun 23, 2013 20:49 hrs

In December 2012, the Chief Minister of Bihar, Nitish Kumar, visited Pakistan. The fact that the main perpetrator of 26/11 attacks, Hafiz Saeed, is being treated as a ‘national hero’ did not deter Nitish Kumar and various other delegations from India to visit Pakistan. Those political leaders keen to visit Pakistan have all but abandoned any pretense of even a modicum of empathy for the victims of Mumbai attack. Are the jihadi terrorists therefore only based in Pakistan?

This author is at loss to fathom the reasons for Nitish Kumar to undertake a tour to a country with which Bihar shares no borders. Did he go to Pakistan to learn lessons of ‘secularism’? Did he visit Pakistan to elicit Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) or was the purpose to get ‘special package’ (Vishesh Rajaya Darza) from the federal authorities based in Islamabad? The plausible reason could be ‘special package of vote-bank’. If going to Pakistan was to enhance vote-banks then the idea of Indian nation-state is over.

In an interview to a TV channel the CM implied that following L K Advani’s commentary on Jinnah during his visit to Jinnah’s mausoleum in Karachi, the latter’s secular credentials could not be doubted. At this juncture, it will be worthwhile to briefly recount why Jinnah wanted Pakistan. On 23 March 1940, Jinnah in his address to the Lahore Session of the All India Muslim League said: “We are a nation of a hundred million, and what is more, we are a nation with our distinctive culture and civilization, language and literature, art and architecture, names and nomenclature, sense of value and proportion, legal laws and moral codes, customs and calendar, history and tradition, aptitude and emotions; in short we have our own distinctive outlook on life and of life. By all canons of international law, we are a nation”.

Now look at the abysmal level of religious discourse that Jinnah entertained. Mrs K L Rallia Ram, an Indian Christian, founder of Indian Social Congress, who supported the cause of Pakistan wrote to Jinnah on 22 September 1946 from Lahore: “I wish you can also win over Sikhs. But the difficulty is that the Hindus are trying their level best to keep the Sikhs to themselves to fight their battles with Muslims. Hindus are morally and physically a coward race and so they want Sikhs to act as their militia. Do you know that 4000 Hindus left Murree two days before when somebody gave out that Muslims would create trouble”.

In the same interview, the Chief Minister boasted about Imran Khan’s laudatory comments about Bihar’s developmental model. It is yet another matter that Imran Khan is yet to prove his mettle in governance. His politics has been absolutely communal and undemocratic even by Pakistan’s standards. Both he and Nawaz Shariff partnered with the most rabid fundamentalist parties / organizations, during the recent General Elections. The relatively secular parties like the Pakistan’s Peoples’ Party (PPP) and the Awami National Party (ANP), particularly the latter, were so intimidated that most of their supporters chose life over votes. The leader of the ANP said that while other parties were counting votes, we were counting dead bodies. Imran’s Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) has formed government Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KPK) Province with the support of radical outfit Jamat-e-Islami.

With this kind of untimely, uncalled and illogical romance with Pakistan, is it surprising that the northern parts of Bihar are emerging as the strong hold of the ISI backed terrorists outfits. The culprit of the most obnoxious and provocative act of kicking the ‘Jai Jawan Memorial’ in Mumbai was finally traced to the same region.

The apathy of politicians is not only confined to the victims of jihadi terrorism. The Bihar chief minister continued with his political yaatra even as a passenger train was attacked by the Maoists. To top it all, he chose to give ‘political interviews’ to a series of television channels on a day when thousands were reported dead and several thousands were oscillating between life and death in one of the most revered Indian pilgrimage axis in Uttrakhand. A substantial number, including one of the former cabinet colleagues of the Chief Minister, were from Bihar. At least 30 percent were still battling death. If this is politics and political acumen, shame on our parliamentary democracy!

What was Osama bin Laden to the Americans, Hafiz Saeed is to India. Only a few days ago, the Punjab government in Pakistan, headed by Shahbaz Shariff (Nawaz Shariff’s brother) announced a grant-in-aid of Rs.61 million in the current fiscal to Hafiz Saeed’s Markaz-e-Taiba, ostensibly for setting up a knowledge park. The said organization was rechristened after the UN Security Council designated the Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD), a front organization of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) in the wake of Mumbai attacks. The funding to the LeT, which is an armed organ of the ISI is no more covert but open.

The common Indian is befuddled about the flirtation of the Indian establishment with Hafiz Saeed. The Home Minister alludes to him as ‘Hafiz Sahab’, a delegation of Hurriat leaders are given visa to confabulate with him, and brazenly in Pakistan Hafiz Saeed is allowed to share dias with Yaseen Malik, another separatist leader! No questions are asked about this from Yaseen Malik.

Was America wrong in targeting Osama bin Laden and are we right in indulging with the perpetrator of 26/11? This is for the Prime Minister to answer because he knows both the American establishment and Indian establishment equally well.

Why some of our politicians are so afraid of Hafiz Saeed? Does he blackmail them? Was he used for staging 26/11 in the bid to balance jihadi terror with so called ‘Hindu terror’? Ajmal Kasab’s love for life probably spoilt the script!

Why the desperate emphasis on Ishrat Jahan, an established LeT operative? At whose behest? The desperation could not have been more indicative than in the CBI summoning a Special Director of IB for questioning. The job of Intelligence officials is to disseminate intelligence to designated consumers, and it is done after thorough internal appraisal and vetting process. This development is unprecedented in Independent India and hereafter the apolitical character of Intelligence organizations will be in question.

In yet another case of the Malegaon blast in 2006, the investigation of the Maharastra ATS and the CBI has been nearly overturned by the NIA. As a consequence, all the nine accused are clamouring for release from prison on the grounds that NIA has already labeled the incident as the handiwork of so-called ‘Hindu terrorists’. Will NIA now prosecute the CBI and the Maharastra ATS?

Mr B Raman, unarguably India’s best Intelligence analyst, had decried the creation of the non-existent phenomenon called ‘Hindu terror’. In an article where he disabused this fabrication, he was visited by some most unsavory comments. Some of the respondents went on to the extent of labeling him as a BJP ideologue looking for sinecures in case the party came to power. A completely distraught Raman blogged that he was in terminal stages of cancer and the only sinecure was the ‘inevitable’. Mr B Raman departed for the heavenly abode on 16 June 2013.

CBI versus IB, NIA versus CBI and ATS – the country’s intelligence apparatus is being wrecked not by external forces, but by inimical forces within.

The ISI has been funding politicians earlier. In the intelligence circles the identity of these politicians are very well known. Has the ISI found new recruits?

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

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Good news to me. I like it when Chinese head of household complains about India.


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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Murugan » 08 Jul 2013 21:54

Dated but very relevant

North Bihar is the New Azamgarh

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... ttarget=no

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Murugan » 09 Jul 2013 09:33

This was / is the state of Bihar. How people with Jehadi links were vied for by politicians

http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/07/indi ... duQwTsweSq

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Philip » 10 Jul 2013 04:36

Do we deserve the govt. we voted for? The age old Q. From the exposes posted,certainly not.It is simply scandalous to see how the list of quislings and traitors within the nation has grown by leaps and bounds under the benign dispensation of the mendicant of snake-oil. The next hustings might be the very last that we see in an Independent India in its current form,post partition.We are besieged on all sides both by arch-enemies and so-called friends and our internal ability to govern by the rule of law,constitutional law that is and not the law of the jungle that prevails,while in the jungle,the Naxal-Maoist insurgents have taken over the administration of at least 1/4th of the country,in an apparently unstoppable cancerous growth !

As we sink further into the slime and stench of the morass of UPA corruption,materially and morally,the manner in which the first and last line of defence is being abused by our quisling leadership,the intelligence services is a frightening wake-up call to resist this grave betrayal of the nation's security to the maximum.If the intel services of the nation to not band together and fight the politicisation of their institutions and the betrayal of the nation,it is going to be both a "walk-over" and Chinese "take-away" when we face a two-front future conflict with the Sino-Pak axis.

Some notes on the US/NSA's covert intel ops and its global partners from Snowden's exposes.
Check out the "5 eyes" axis-of-eviltude!

Snowden reveals US partnership with German intelligence
http://www.business-standard.com/articl ... 933_1.html

The whistleblower said the NSA was "in bed together with the Germans" as well as most other Western states, Xinhua reported.

He said the NSA's "foreign affairs' directorate" was responsible for partnerships with other countries. The interview was conducted before Snowden fled to Hong Kong in May.

Germany's foreign intelligence service -- the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) -- confirmed a partnership with the NSA in providing "analysis tools" for the BND's monitoring of foreign data in Germany, Xinhua said.

Snowden told Der Spiegel that government decision makers were protected by these cooperation programmes, organised in such a way that authorities in other countries can "insulate their political leaders from the backlash" if it becomes public "how grievously they're violating global privacy".


http://rt.com/news/australia-nsa-snowde ... lance-784/
New Snowden leak: Australia’s place in US spying web
Published time: July 08, 2013

Ex-NSA contractor and whistleblower Edward Snowden has disclosed his first set of documents outlining Australia’s role in NSA surveillance programs, picking out four facilities in the country that contribute heavily to US spying.

The locations of dozens of the US’s and associated countries signal collection sites have been revealed by Snowden, who leaked classified National Security Agency maps to US journalist Glenn Greenwald, which were then published in the Brazilian newspaper “O Globo.”

The sites all play a role in the collection of data and interception of internet traffic and telecommunications on a global level.

Australian centers involved in the NSA’s data collection program, codenamed X-Keyscore, include Joint Defence Facility Pine Gap in central Australia and three Australian Signals Directorate facilities: the Shoal Bay Receiving Station in the country’s north, the Australian Defence Satellite Communications Facility on the west coast, and the naval communications station HMAS Harman outside the capital, Canberra.

New Zealand also plays a role, with the Government Security Communications Bureau facility at Waihopai, on the northern point of South Island, also contributing to the program.

X-Keyscore is described as a “national Intelligence collection mission system” by US intelligence expert William Arkin, according to Australian newspaper The Age. It processes all signals prior to being delivered to various “production lines” that deal with more specific issues including the exploration of different types of data for close scrutiny.

The different subdivisions are entitled Nucleon (voice), Pinwale (video), Mainway (call records) and Marina (internet records).
Warning sign on the road to Pine Gap (Image from wikipedia.org)


Australia is one of the “Five Eyes” – an alliance of intelligence-sharing countries which include of the US, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

When documents were published pertaining to the British signal intelligence agency, GCHQ’s “Tempora” program, Snowden reportedly commented that the other partners in the “Five Eyes” intelligence “sometimes go even further than the [National Security Agency] people themselves.”

“If you send a data packet and if it makes its way through the UK, we will get it. If you download anything, and the server is in the UK, then we get it,” he said.

In an interview published online last weekend in advance of its printing in German magazine ‘Der Speigel’ this week, Snowden argued that the NSA was ‘in bed with the Germans’ commenting that the organization of intelligence gathering in countries involved with the organization is such that political leaders are insulated from the backlash, going on to denounce “how grievously they're violating global privacy.”

Germany reacted to the report on Monday, with German chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman, Steffen Seibert, telling Reuters that the Federal Intelligence Agency’s (BND) cooperation with the NSA “took place within strict legal and judicial guidelines and is controlled by the competent parliamentary committee.”

The US and its affiliates have intelligence facilities distributed worldwide in a variety of US embassies, consulates and military facilities. In an earlier report by Der Spiegel, also based on revelations by Snowden, it was revealed that the NSA bugged EU diplomatic offices and gained access to EU internal computer networks.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby abhishek_sharma » 10 Jul 2013 06:34

Delhi Confidential

Spooky entry

West Bengal Governor M K Narayanan's profile on Wikipedia makes for interesting reading. Appointed Special Advisor for Internal Security to the PM after the UPA came to power in 2004, states Wikipedia, he was alleged to "plant" his staunch supporters as RAW and IB chiefs. He grew "infamous" when he "wanted to sack" the then RAW chief C D Sahay whom he began "systematically undermining" and eventually "planted his own man" Hormis Tharakan in place of Sahay. According to Wikipedia, the then National Security Advisor J N Dixit, whom he succeeded in 2005, countered that Narayanan (the then IB chief) had not been sacked when Rajiv Gandhi was assassinated and that no intelligence heads rolled after the Kargil intrusions were discovered. He presided over a post-Rabindra Singh (a RAW officer-turned-double agent) defection inquiry that has not damaged a single officer's career; in some cases, the opposite has happened. The former intelligence czar has apparently not got any tip off about the Wikipedia entry as yet.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 12 Jul 2013 03:09

Pioneer op-ed

Unintelligent way to handle Intelligence

Unintelligent way to handle intelligence
Thursday, 11 July 2013 | Gautam Mukherjee |

There is not much one can say to a Government which is nearly at the end of its tenure. But the new regime, hopefully an NDA one, must restore the dignity of our intelligence and security apparatus

From time to time politicians tend to sharply subvert the working of the nation’s intelligence agencies to achieve narrow political purposes. Rajiv Gandhi, protected with crack SPG troops when Prime Minister, with every intelligence mechanism watching him, was killed on the campaign trail when he was out of power.

He was blown up by a human bomber from the LTTE in Sriperumbudur near Chennai in 1991, both because of inadequate State-level police protection, and intelligence failure. There were no Black Cats around him in Sriperumbudur that night, and conspiracy theories aplenty about the role of LTTE sympathisers and collusion in Tamil Nadu abound to this day.

The Government is once again merrily subverting the intelligence agencies in the run-up to another general election.
One that promises to be keenly fought by all contenders to bring about a change from some very alarming conditions today.

Meanwhile, the terrorists, the Maoists, the very effective Inter-Services Intelligence from Pakistan, the Chinese on the borders, some major international terrorist organisations, foreign intelligence agencies with agendas, fifth columnists and so on, are eagerly waiting for their turn in the sun.

Our intelligence agencies are meant to keep track of all of them effectively and share information to thwart their inimical plans. But we fail more often than not. The recent bombings in Bodh Gaya allegedly by the Indian Mujahideen, are perhaps both a prelude and deja vu on what to expect. There was intelligence on this bombing too, which was shared in advance with Bihar Police, but it happened anyway.

In India, the role of intelligence agencies like the Research and Analysis Wing and the Intelligence Bureau, the best known external and internal agencies amongst quite a number, is being compromised. Political interference designed to target specific politicians such as the BJP’s soon to be declared prime ministerial candidate, Mr Narendra Modi, is liberally used.

The Central Bureau of Investigation is deployed in a manner that has turned it into something of a joke, going through narrow contortions currently in the Ishrat Jahan case. It was referred to as a “caged parrot” by none other than the Supreme Court in another matter dubbed Coalgate, saying that it, “speaks in its master’s voice”.

The CBI is best used to keep dossiers and tabs on corruption and scams and skulduggery of the prominent. It is used to intimidate and undermine recalcitrant State Governments and political opponents. And restive allies. Both Mr Mulayam Singh Yadav of the Samajwadi Party and Ms Mayawati of the BSP are said to be kept on a leash via the CBI.


Because of this devaluation of the CBI and its sleuths — just one example of an institution being destroyed — other intelligence agencies of the Government of India also tend to work in a circumspect manner rather than in a proactive fashion. They want to protect themselves in bureaucratese rather than stick their necks out. They pass on intelligence inputs late or vaguely that are often not acted on adequately.

This kind of interference with covert agencies concerned with the security of the country happens in other countries too and with less than salubrious results. The Central Intelligence Agency has sometimes been promoted in the service of the US’ interests and sometimes undermined as under Democratic President Jimmy Carter.

But it needs to be understood that a secret organisation entrusted with espionage is not very effective if one attempts to render it transparent and responsive. Similar things have happened to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, but not until the legendary J Edgar Hoover passed away.

In Britain, it was often the judiciary and the courts that undermined MI6 by demanding information from intelligence officers that end up compromising their sources. But till 1994, MI6 was not even known to officially exist. In India, we play politics even with the death of policemen like encounter specialist Mohan Chand Sharma, who was killed while apprehending IM terrorists at the infamous Batla House in New Delhi. This demoralises our police, Armed Forces and the intelligence community alike.

The UPA Government seems keen to downplay Islamic terrorism and Maoism in equal measure as it might, it is perceived, upset vote-banks that it is courting. The distortions caused by this political bias are visited on the people invested with providing security to the powerful and less exalted alike.

The worst part is not the creation of a Frankenstein in flawed security apparatus, that can target the high and mighty, who come out of their cocoons during election time. That might be seen as an occupational hazard. The worst is probably that, given the competence of our intelligence and security personnel, we can do much better if we improve the speed of our decision-making and let professionals do their job without interference.


Inconsistency of policy is bad enough, and India suffers hugely from this two steps-forward-and- one-step-back syndrome, but a wilful wrecking of institutions inclusive of witch-hunts against officers who are, and have been doing their jobs to protect us, is downright cynical. Today it is an IB Special Director Rajinder Kumar, nearing retirement. Tomorrow, it could be someone else.

As Indian Express Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta pointed out recently, Punjab might have been lost without a determined policy of degrading the Khalistani ability to wreak vengeance on the populace. He lauded the role of the IB in the field for finding and pointing out the would be culprits. The secessionist movement in Punjab was the ISI’s biggest operation in India. And it failed.

As did the Maoist movement in West Bengal in the 60s. There was no tying up those encounters with justice bows. They were killings of the bad guys so that the good people might live in peace. That is what intelligence agencies and security personnel do. We should have the wisdom to leave them well enough alone to do it, instead of trying to fix matches with hypocritical calls for natural justice when it suits us. It is no surprise that there is so much instability and unrest in so many parts of the country today, along with a truly lousy law and order situation. The politics of the ruling UPA has become ad hoc and desperately short-term. And with such an insecure leadership, nether elements feel free to operate boldly.

In the end, there is not much one can say to a Government at nearly the end of its tenure.
But the new Government, hopefully an NDA Government that comes in with Mr Modi as Prime Minister, must restore the dignity of all our intelligence and security apparatus at the earliest.




and a Letter to Editor

http://www.dailypioneer.com/letters-to- ... sults.html

This refers to the article, “Unintelligent way to handle intelligence” (July 11) by Gautam Mukherjee. One agrees with the writer's views on how the country's intelligence agencies are being handled, nay abused, by the UPA regime. However, there is another aspect that needs to be reviewed urgently: The modernisation of our intelligence services and setting up of a Central agency that receives inputs and provides analyses. One can say this with confidence that the Research and Analysis Wing has some of the best brains and human intelligence at its command, but when it comes to technology, it ranks lower than Pakistan's Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence.

To reinvent and strengthen our intelligence mechanism, we also need to overhaul our education system, and put in place colleges and universities that offer courses and expertise in such fields. But most importantly, the intelligence agencies, especially the CBI need to be freed from Government control, to extract the best out of them.


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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Murugan » 14 Jul 2013 23:02

Maj Gen GD Bakshi Talks on Politicizing Terror A Disaster in Making.

A must watch for every BRF-ite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7wwUk96 ... e=youtu.be

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby sum » 15 Jul 2013 09:06

^^ This week's "THE WEEK" has a hit job on the IB and how "boased" it is etc.

Clearly, Rajinder Kumar( who is supposed to be a expert on homegrown Jihadis) has been marked out and will be arrested on ay of retirement ( going by tone of the article). Phrases like "ex-colleagues mention about his impulsive hatred for Pakistan" etc liberally thrown around in the article should give a clue.

Clearly, a very sad phase for this country and worse is yet to come when UPA-3 comes along, IIRC

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Mihir » 16 Jul 2013 03:59

India's Security Under Threat, IB Stops Issuing Terror Alerts [Hindi]

Translation, courtesy a Reddit user:
The CBI-IB conflict threatens to unravel India's internal security . IB has stopped verifying and issuing terror related alerts after the other central agency embroiled its officers in Ishrat Jehan case. State governments are getting only that intelligence which Multi Agency Center (MAC) receives via other agencies. A senior official in Home Ministry confided that the Ministry has not received IB's intelligence briefing on terror related activities since last month.

IB sends a daily report on various important events to the Home Ministry and PMO. It also prepares a secret report about conspiracies related to extremism and terrorism. The Central government notifies states on the basis of this report, so that they can take precautionary steps. According to the senior official, the intelligence report is essential for maintaining country’s internal security. Without the report, the state agencies may not be able to bust various terrorist modules in time.

The official said that the Bodhgaya terror attack succeeded because the intelligence about the attack, which MAC received via other agencies, was considered routine. Bihar government would have taken an alert issued by IB much more seriously. Till now, IB not only sourced, verified and collated various intelligence inputs on terrorism, but also played an active role in busting these conspiracies. However, IB officials are perturbed by CBI's witch-hunt against their colleagues. IB Director Asif Ibrahim has requested PM and Home Minister to intercede on the agency's behalf. However, their hands are tied by political exigencies.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby sum » 16 Jul 2013 08:38

^^ And we sink further and further.

Wonder if MI also stopped doing the same after the Col.Purohit fiasco. Maybe thats what the INC wanted ( that the agencies lay off their votebanks like SIMI/IM etc)

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby vishvak » 16 Jul 2013 10:07

" IB Director Asif Ibrahim has requested PM and Home Minister to intercede on the agency's behalf. However, their hands are tied by political exigencies."
Oh well, the effectiveness of intelligence agencies is affected and behavior changed due to appeasement/vote-banking?

So now security apparatus is "tied by political exigencies". No one is questioning no one only - is this secularism or how can this be explained?

Vote banks and appeasement mongers are not critiqued because political leadership is there to take the blame.


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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Murugan » 20 Jul 2013 07:50

Speech of KPS Gill - way back in 1997

http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/07/ungr ... ensn9IweSo


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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Samay » 27 Jul 2013 20:35

Mihir wrote:India's Security Under Threat, IB Stops Issuing Terror Alerts [Hindi]

IB Director Asif Ibrahim has requested PM and Home Minister to intercede on the agency's behalf. However, their hands are tied by political exigencies.
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So much pain is taken by the nation and its agencies,
just to ensure that amul baby becomes PM.... wtf,.this is extreme idiocracy.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 30 Jul 2013 15:53

Something we should also do as far as electronics goes for Space and Military Enterprise.

Rogozin: Russian authorities learn nothing new from Snowden’s revelations

NOVO-OGAREVO, July 29 (Itar-Tass) - The Russian authorities learnt nothing new from Edward Snowden’s revelations, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters on Monday.

Snowden exposed what we knew a long time ago,” Rogozin said, noting that he means the cyber weapons.

The Russian Deputy Prime Minister added that Russia is already taking measures to not to depend from foreign electronic components. “It is extremely important to bear in mind while rearming our enterprises that these machines may be provided with software with some spy devices implanted, and these spy devices can function in some specific way or transmit the information,” he went on to say. “This is a matter of national security, but not cyber security,” Rogozin noted. He recalled that at the previous meeting on the machine tool industry Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev gave an exhaustive instruction to prevent such situation.

Rogozin added that in such sensitive areas as space Russia will rely on its own electronic component base.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Philip » 31 Jul 2013 21:18

So even this post is being scooped up by the NSA (Nerds of Soviet America) !

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/j ... nline-data

XKeyscore: NSA tool collects 'nearly everything a user does on the internet'

• XKeyscore gives 'widest-reaching' collection of online data
• NSA analysts require no prior authorization for searches
• Sweeps up emails, social media activity and browsing history
• NSA's XKeyscore program – read one of the presentations

Read the fascinating details in full.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Manish_Sharma » 06 Aug 2013 05:02

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=290437957762526&set=a.118146701658320.18858.107229389416718&type=1&relevant_count=1

Subramanian Swamy

1) A spy working for Pakistan was caught from Congress MLA Saleh Mohammed's petrol pump.
2) spy Sumaar Khan was sending information about Indian Air Force's Operation Iron Fist war exercise to Pakistan
3) SP Pankaj Choudhary reopened history-sheet against Gazi Fakir, father of Cong MLA Shaleh Mohammad. GETS TRANSFERRED

4) No action was taken against Ghazi Fakir's family because of their strong political connections.
5) Historysheet against Ghazi Fakir was first opened on July 31, 1965 for smuggling and clandestine anti-national activities.
6) In 1984, the history sheet file went missing in a mysterious manner, and a fresh history sheet file was opened in 1990.

7) In May 2011, an ASP-rank police officer suddenly closed the file without the approval of the SP.
8 ) CM Gehlot says this is routine transfer.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby arijitkm » 06 Aug 2013 18:13

^^^
Jaisalmer SP blames political vendetta for transfer

.......
He said he has not opened the history sheet of Fakir on his wish, but additional DGP Kapil Garg on June 14 had issued an order in which the department was asked to reopen the history sheet of those whose were closed.

Choudhary said Saleh Mohammed along with his brother and father (Fakir) went to Pakistan on February 18 and returned on February 22 and they attended IAF's war exercise Iron Fist at Chandan field firing area. In this event, President Pranab Mukherjee, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, chiefs of army, navy and air force and many other VVIPs were present.

He said that two days after the war exercise on February 24, spy Sumer Khan, working for ISI, was caught sending confidential information to Pakistan. This spy had contacts in Pak embassy and was sending information to them. Surprisingly, Sumer Khan for many years was working at the petrol pump of Saleh Mohammad.

The SP said that similarly in 2009, brothers Yaar Mohammad and Shah Mohammad were caught with 58 kg heroin and it came to light that these culprits had close relations with Fakir. The vehicle in which Yaar Mohammad used to smuggle drugs had the number of a member of Fakir family. Rana Motors was written on the vehicle and Rana was Gazi Fakir's father.

SP said that last year on August 26-27, Pakistan's former MP Saiyed Mohd Sattar stayed at Fakir's house at Bhagu village for two days and it created lot of stir. Former Pak MP was not having visa for Bhagu village and he along with Saleh Mohammad had met many people at the border villages. Later police caught him at Nachana area and was sent to Wagah border. Now, the former Pak MP has been blacklisted. He said that Fakir in 1976 was in jail under MISA and even today he and his family often go to Pakistan.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby Vipul » 07 Aug 2013 02:24

The politicisation of national security.

India's response to terrorism follows a predictable pattern.

If anyone wants to understand why India remains so pathetic in its response to counter terror, one only has to witness the manner in which the Indian political class has reacted to the recent sessions court judgement on the Batla House encounter case. The court found Shahzad Aslam guilty of killing Delhi police special cell inspector MC Sharma in 2008. The Delhi police had accused Aslam of being a member of the Indian Mujahideen group and of being involved in the 2008 Delhi blasts which killed 26 people.

The civil society has every right to express their displeasure over the judgement and take whatever follow-up legal action that is available to them. But the way the Indian political class and, in particular, the Congress party has politicised this issue from the very beginning is a testament not only to the moral bankruptcy of India’s grand old party but also to the fundamental contradictions in the nation’s approach to fighting terrorism.

Even as the UPA has always officially maintained that the encounter was genuine, sections of the Congress party have done all that is necessary to muddy the waters. Digvijay Singh, who is working really hard to keep himself in the headlines after being thrown out of Madhya Pradesh by the voters for his poor performance, had expressed doubts in 2010 over the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) probe into the encounter and talked about the alleged “police excesses” and “miscarriage of justice”.

He later on suggested that he had wanted a judicial probe but was overruled by the prime minister and then home minister, P Chidambaram. The present external affairs minister, Salman Khurshid, went a step further by suggesting that Congress president Sonia Gandhi had cried while seeing the pictures of the encounter.

It was hoped that the court verdict would at least put an end to this inane display of crocodile tears but Singh refused to budge and continues to argue even now that the encounter was fake. The Congress officially has sought to downplay this by suggesting that these are Singh’s own views but clearly that is not enough.

Singh is one of the most influential general secretaries of the Congress party and if he feels that a government led by his party is not being honest about the incident then he should resign and expose his government. And if the Congress feels that Singh is exceeding his brief, then he should be sacked. But Congress wants to have it both ways. The government does one thing and the party sings another tune — that’s the way the Congress has tried to fool the nation for the past nine years. But the way national security is being endangered with such antics will have grave consequences for the nation long after Digvijay Singh and the Congress are gone.

India’s response to terrorism has always been inadequate but the competitive politicisation of national security will only ensure that India’s adversaries can be rest assured that if nothing else, India’s feckless politicians will be there to give them succour. The governance deficit is affecting every sphere of society — and internal security is no exception. No consensus exists across the political spectrum on how best to fight terrorism and extremism.

The opposition Bharatiya Janata Party is interested in making terrorism a primarily Muslim issue to generate Hindu votes. The ruling Congress, on the other hand, has not allowed an open discourse on Islamist extremism to take place for fear of offending Muslim sensibilities. Such vote-bank politics have created an environment in which political and religious polarisation has been so complete as to render effective action against terrorism impossible.

India had long claimed to be detached from al-Qaeda or any international terror plot — even though it has the second largest Muslim population in the world.
This, of course, has turned out to be false: every major Islamist urban terror cell in the country since 1993 has seen a preponderance of Indian nationals.

India is fast emerging both as a target and a recruitment base for organizations like al-Qaeda, and attacks are being carried out with impunity by home-grown jihadist groups, trained and aided by organisations in neighbouring Pakistan and Bangladesh. Much like al-Qaeda, the most prominent terrorist group in India today, the Indian Mujahideen, is a loose coalition of jihadists bound together by ideological affiliations and personal linkages, with its infrastructure and top leadership scattered across India.

India’s response to a terrorist event follows a predictable pattern: the government pledges to bring the perpetrators to justice while the opposition denounces the government’s counter-terrorism policy without offering any constructive solutions. Media coverage surges for a few days but soon reverts to discussions about Bollywood stars’ latest foibles. India faces a structural problem given its location in one of the world’s most dangerous neighbourhoods — south Asia — which is now the epicentre of Islamist radicalism with India’s neighbours harbouring terrorist networks and using them as instruments of state policy. India began dealing with the threat of terrorism long before it reached western shores.

The terror saga in the Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir is more than three-decades old. The threat spiked beginning in the early 1990s; Mumbai witnessed multiple terror strikes in 1993, and then in November 2008, the jihadists, aided and abetted by Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), openly confronted the might of the Indian state in full glare of the global media.

Rather than working out a comprehensive national response to fighting terrorism and extremism, political brinkmanship has become the norm in today’s Indian polity where nonsensical tweets are replacing serious policy. If the present trends are not nipped in the bud, Indians will continue to suffer and the nation’s politicians will continue to be gravely irresponsible.

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Re: Intelligence & National Security Discussion

Postby aditya.agd » 07 Aug 2013 06:48

losing hope from indian political establishment. Gradually becoming completely disinterested in security of india. helpless, hopeless and useless to discuss abt indian security.


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