KLP Dubey wrote:A correction: I did not assert that the Rgveda sounds are "divine". The sounds are eternal, and are not the product of any agency whether human or divine.
Per Vedas Eternal=Divine because Divine = Satyam, Anantam, Jnanam (ultimate reality, eternal & knowledge).
When we say something is divine, we are indirectly referring to that underlying satyam, anantam, jnanam.
shiv wrote:The reason why opposing arguments about the content and alleged stories of the Rig Veda posed by the likes of Witzel and Talageri must be looked at with suspicion is as follows. These scholars base their arguments on the one main "translation" of the Rig Veda by Griffiths. Anyone who reads Griffiths and is of a sane mind will realize that the translation of the Rig Veda does not look like a profound set of poems that serve as the basis of Indian philosophy and civilization, but like poems by a bunch of idiots who were stringing words together to create a mockery of the word poetry. What you read in "translations" of the Rig Veda is insufferable bullshit on the lines of what I said earlier - "Indra rescued 60,000 cattle and released the waters" or "may this stake protect your ancestors in thier grave" or "216 pieces of gold and 10,000 cattle". Meaningless claptrap. No Indian and certainly no one else who learns of the antiquity of the Rig Veda will deliberately want to laugh at this patently ludicrous content. They will imagine that in those ancient days humans were still getting out of Neanderthalism - so these idiot-poems had great meaning back then, although they sound like poems written by cretins to us "modern, advanced thinking humans"
Vedic words/symbols have different meanings in different contexts. For example Tamra means copper for a metallurgy student, but refers to a chemical compound for a siddha-vaidya and something else for a advaitin. Only a traditional Vedic guru can help the seeker in the right path, otherwise it all sounds jibbarish.
For example there is a mantra in Durga-suktam. It comes in many places. In a temple puja it means praise to Durga, in a marriage ritual it represents the fire that is witness to that sacred union and in astra sastra it formulates Agneyastra in a specific combination. A good analogy is Water, H2O. A chemist looks at water as H20 and its interactions with other chemical compounds, where as a farmer looks it from a different angle who is different from how a hydrologist uses it.
UlanBatori wrote:It has nothing to do with Sanskrit (Samskrtam), which is simply a "refined language" that came much later to communicate precisely. Like FORTRAN90 is to a set of hexadecimal flashing lights or sounds. In the old days one had to be very economical with the coding because the entire machine memory of a big cabinet-filling computer was 128 bytes. But the Ancients also passed on the Upanishads as the Instruction Manual and the Abridged for Kindergartners version and that is what people use to understand the gist of the "sounds".
Please watch this video from 25:30: viewtopic.php?p=1665288#p1665288
He gives a different etymology to Samskrutam.
UlanBatori wrote:Can someone post here the exact content (beginning 10 lines) of the Rg Veda? No explanations, just the content.
If it is sound, then it should be described as content primarily in XXX frequency bands. Or if it is repeated many times, post the Fourier coefficients with the conversions to units of pressure, and the fundamental frequency.
अग्निमीळे पुरोहितं यज्ञस्य देवं रत्वीजम |
होतारं रत्नधातमम ||
Now this mantra is mentioned in Pasupata tantra as a cure for addictions (of all sorts) when combined with Sri Rudramantra. I applied this on a person (substance abuse) with 100% results (Clean for 2+ years). Is this coincidence? May be. But I can feel/perceive what happened. I explained this in one of the posts in L&M dhaga a while ago.
IMHO the Veda mantras are nothing but compilation of the universal consciousness. They are like that Schrodinger wave equation that explains that Param (Satyam, Anantam, Jnanam). One can decipher them very easily based on purified senses (Anta:karana Shuddhi thru Ashtanga-Yoga), a Sat-Guru who can point you where to look at give you the public key. The private key has to be earned by the seeker in their deep meditation as explained here
Imagine the whole universal consciousness is the software in the computer. You see only some aspects of the computer (screen, key board etc., and what appears on the screen). Now the programming language for this computer is developed in a sabda/sound language (because this is the energy we humans can eminate in a controlled fashion, beside thought waves, which is the reason why meditation can be mental as well). Mantra repetition/japa is the process of adding more and more energy to your command line so the influence field (in multiple dimensions including time) is enhanced.
It will be gibberish for an untrained mind. Look at Ca4Si2O6CO3OHF2 for example. We all can read it (like our western scholors who had access to sanskrit dictionary) but it doesnt make any sense either to the reader or a listener. Lets change it to (Ca4Si2O6(CO3)(OH, F))2 then it starts making sense to a trained chemical student. Those denominators and multipliers in this equation are like udatta/anudatta swaras in reading the equation. The key in the English language is spelling. Similarly the beauty of Sanskrit is pada-vibagha (separating the words). You can see how different meanings can be deduced by watching the Sanskruta Avadhana video posted above.