General Elections 2014 : RESULTS thread

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Postby SanjayC » 21 May 2014 13:35

Kiran Bedi is a loose canon and lacks the needed maturity and restraint for the CM post.

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Postby Manu » 21 May 2014 13:36

Virupaksha wrote:I do not think that Kiran Bedi should be made BJP CM candidate. I believe harshvardhan would be much better bet.

Making her now is an insult to all those who worked through decades under the BJP flag. Sorry, IAS/IPS does not confer any one with wings.

+1008. Harshvardhan is a much better bet. This woman is a little out of control and her arrogance is legendary. She will piss off too many people.

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Postby nagesh » 21 May 2014 13:49

Dilbu wrote:Also she may turn secular when push comes to shove. Especially if there comes a situation where her worthiness will go up as a person who went over to the dark side and came out.


Not long back,she was very critical of Namo.Infact I posted too many hate tweets to her over her criticisms.She is bitten by the secular bug.Why give her on a platter an imp state when there is no dearth of talent in loyal BJP supporters..

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Postby KLP Dubey » 21 May 2014 13:57

Manu wrote:
Virupaksha wrote:I do not think that Kiran Bedi should be made BJP CM candidate. I believe harshvardhan would be much better bet.

Making her now is an insult to all those who worked through decades under the BJP flag. Sorry, IAS/IPS does not confer any one with wings.

+1008. Harshvardhan is a much better bet. This woman is a little out of control and her arrogance is legendary. She will piss off too many people.


One needs to be fair to Dr Harshvardhan...cannot ask him to first run for MLA, then expect him to become DL CM, then make him run for MP (and he did an excellent job thrashing Kasai Sibbal) and now ask him again to stand in yet another election to thrash the lameass Kejriwal. I hope the good doctor sahib gets his due with a Union ministry (Health?) so he can get some real work done at a national level. Kiran Bedi is a good candidate for DL CM.

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Postby James B » 21 May 2014 15:01

Suraj wrote:No, that's not the one. The one I'm referring to is at least a few weeks old, not from last weekend. It may not even have been that magazine. It must be somewhere earlier in the Modi thread, but considering how many pages that is now, I don't have the patience to look it up :) That article was a revealing insight into his behavior, and how he spent time to understand the issues as well as to grasp the various powerbrokers and their abilities. He then proceeded to gain control of the administrative process, reward those he saw as loyal, and push out the ones he saw as a bad influence.


Its a article written by Shiv Vishwanathan in Chidu. Not able to find the link.

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Postby James B » 21 May 2014 15:02

Kiran Bedi can be double edged sword. To take on Bhagoda, BJP needs a clean & popular leader. Smriti Irani can be a good fit apart from Kiran Bedi.

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Postby Virendra » 21 May 2014 16:12

Gadkari defmation case - Kejri rushes to Judicial Custody till 23rd. Refused to pay 10,000 bucks for bail.
This guy is clearly hungry for publicity...

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Postby IndraD » 21 May 2014 16:16

I do not support K Bedi , Smriti Irani is good choice I concur, pls tweet amit shah

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 21 May 2014 16:25

^^ Exactly either Smt. Smriti or Shri Goel has to have a go at Delhi CM post otherwise congis and aaptards will go on pointing that BJP hasn't been able to create a single leader from cadres and has to import kiran bedi.

Also kiran bedi will make certain compromises with khujliwal. She may even cut a deal that he doesn't rake up the issue of K'bedi's daughter's medical entrance case and in return she may reign in BJP from going full attack on khujli.

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Postby RajeshA » 21 May 2014 16:26

I don't see Kiran Bedi as an ideological leader, but she has a reputation as a good administrator. Like many idealist people, she too can be swayed by any ideology able to package itself well and offer itself as a foundation for idealism.

So even as Kejriwal's politics of anti-corruption is grafted on top of fiberalism and Abrahamism, Kiran Bedi has come to accept Moditva and to some extent Bharatiyata as an underlying foundation, even if it is a new phenomena.

For Delhi, she would be a perfect fit!

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Postby Shanmukh » 21 May 2014 16:35

Virendra wrote:Gadkari defmation case - Kejri rushes to Judicial Custody till 23rd. Refused to pay 10,000 bucks for bail.
This guy is clearly hungry for publicity...


I think he said he doesn't have money for the bail. But he has money for the Rs. 90K in rent for his government accommodation, which he has not vacated. Apparently, his wife is due for a promotion, and will be entitled to the house he is staying in. But what happens if his wife is posted to Nagaland?

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Postby IndraD » 21 May 2014 16:40

Kejriwal fumbled in front of court , initially he said if it was murder case he would hv given bond but this is political so he will not, he is jailed for contempt of court, he initially agreed to pay the bail but retracted after Sisodia suggestion, as per Pinki Anand lawyer of NG on ABP news

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 21 May 2014 16:45

nageshks wrote:
Virendra wrote:Gadkari defmation case - Kejri rushes to Judicial Custody till 23rd. Refused to pay 10,000 bucks for bail.
This guy is clearly hungry for publicity...


I think he said he doesn't have money for the bail. But he has money for the Rs. 90K in rent for his government accommodation, which he has not vacated. Apparently, his wife is due for a promotion, and will be entitled to the house he is staying in. But what happens if his wife is posted to Nagaland?


He is paying lakhs of rupees every month market rent for CM bunglow and he has no money? BJP has to point this out.

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Postby pankajs » 21 May 2014 16:52

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Modi's googly bowls Nawaz. If he attends, he's clubbed with other SAARC leaders. If he doesn't, he's the hardliner not Modi
Nawaz seems to have declined.
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Distinct change in tone & content from Omar Abdullah & Mehbooba Mufti towards Modi. Why a week is a long time in politics

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Postby pankajs » 21 May 2014 17:16

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Postby Supratik » 21 May 2014 17:25

Calling badmash Sharif for oath-taking was a bad idea. We don't want a return of Vajpayee Congress.

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Postby abhijitm » 21 May 2014 17:29

Smriti Irani for delhi CM. I like the suggestion.

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Postby Manish_Sharma » 21 May 2014 17:34

Suraj wrote:Open: The Magazine, I think, had an excellent story a couple of months ago about Modi's early days as CM of Gujarat. It talks about how he quickly brought the bureaucrats under control. He started out by asking them all to make presentations. He sat quietly and listened to everything for over a week. Then once he identified the power brokers, he either co-opted them or took them apart and eliminated them from their positions, building an administrative support framework that enabled him to continuously get things done. Clearly, he's doing the same thing in New Delhi.


8)
You mean this one:


http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=6489&hilit=ias+modi&start=33040#p1632780

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Singha wrote:but per my reading of low grade scifi horror, even witches and warlocks who jump from old body to young body and "live on" for a 1000 years are eventually trapped by someone during this vulnerable transfer phase and destroyed forever.


8)

Found that great vishvanathan article, posted by Sushupti ji, although he tries to abuse NaMo as much as he can there are very good insights about the way of working by NaMo. No wonder dienasty hounds, turdesai, durkha butt went after him from beginning:

Narendra Modi the man behind the mask
DC | 22nd Sep 2013

The ultimate pracharak...

by Shiv Visvanathan

The Narendra Modi juggernaut is moving to Delhi. Most remarkable, how he not only controls the masses around him but determines the narratives about himself. In this essay, I want to break the stencil by going back to Modi and the bureaucracy.

As shrewd observers of power, they provide a sense of his control beyond the creation of riots and gated cities of the future. Listen to five bureaucrats who agreed to talk about his initial years.

Bureaucrats in the Gujarat cadre claimed they used to laugh at Narendra Modi when he first came to meetings. Unlike previous chief ministers who were either MLAs or had some political and administrative experience, this man was a novice, and a pracharak at that.

He came for meetings but sat through them silently. For a whole year, he said nothing. But he asked everyone else to speak. Meetings with secretaries would begin at 6.30 and last long into the night.

Everyone spoke. Everyone had to speak. Each department’s anatomy, agenda, problem, and tactic had to be presented. It was as if his mind and ears were tuning in, listening to notes of discord and making them bend to his will.

“Earlier, we senior bureaucrats would boast about our notes of dissent. We were as proud of them as if they were Supreme Court judgements, discuss them, and describe how we bought a minister's unreal proposal to heel with dissent notes till it sounded the way we wanted.

A few dissent notes could domesticate a minister. But Modi changed the rules of the game. A memo was returned or subject to silent dismissal till it came back the way he wanted it to be written,” the bureaucrat said.

As his knowledge of bureaucracy grew, the logic of evil intensified, increasing by scale from cadre to secretariat to city. Surveillance was high and it created organisations without dissent. He had a way with any opposition, a classic ability to dismember them.

Remember the Bhartiya Kisan Sangh? Raucously loud, they were powerful peasant leaders, people who could gather a lakh of people at a rally with ease. But for Modi, emasculating them was a day's work. They are gone. Modi knows how to dismantle institutionalised opposition, partly by changing the rules of the game.

The chamber of commerce in Gujarat is another example. It’s a powerful pressure group, confident, substantial a bulwark of civil society. Its secretary had this to say, only a few months ago when asked about the COC. He said “what can I tell you, instead of representing us, it is now an extension of the regime.”

These are not sentimental men. They understood the rigours of the politics of patronage. What Modi did to COC was to change its membership, change its content sociologically.

It is now a society of small time businessman, segmented and easy to handle. It’s a skill that Modi employs to control institutions. The means are clean. He emasculates as a means to counter or dismember. And he is immaculately methodological.

Until Modi, the senior bureaucrats’ experience of other CMs were of men who were ready to please, ready to play by the new rules of the game. In Modi’s case, his initial silence may have been misleading.

Says a bureaucrat “Don't doubt the intelligence, the hegemonic intelligence of the man. He came as pracharak and created a pracharak's world at the secretariat. Two things by that time were clear; the intelligence of the man and his intolerance of dissent.

“He was a sponge. He sat, listened, absorbed for a year. It is not as if he was assimilated or diluted by us. It is as if he domesticated and colonised us. He remained the pracharak but the secretariat became a magnified pracharak's world. We became a cadre of clerks, a shakha of bureaucrats. And he sat and listened….”, he adds.

“Modi grew in front of us. What we welcomed with contempt, we now treated with awe. The bumbler was more than a trickster; he was, to use TV terminology, the Mastermind. There is a vulnerability of bureaucrats that one must confront. Few dissent. Most who do, seek transfer, a different comfort zone, a move to Delhi. He who treats them with contempt, commands their awe, their allegiance. We want to please him, to share his power, his manliness, and his assertiveness. Power commands its own sacrament. There is a Masonic conviviality to closeness. Everyone knows the signs of power,” says another.

“There is something about tyranny that we must understand, its intelligence. It is — I hate to use the term — a learning system. And Modi is a sponge. He learns from the right people. Look at his dress. The colours are mellow. If you are sharp, you look beyond the dress, and sense the face. It has matured but grown younger. There is an obvious hair transplant. But even that comes like a Modi fable. He begins wearing a woollen cap. News is spread that he is under Ayurvedic treatment which demands that his head be covered for a while. Which Indian does not understand the strictures of Ayurveda? It is more ritualistic than a widowed mother-in-law,” says this perceptive government official.

“The Emergency taught tyrants a lesson. Economise on brutality. Optimise through fear and populism. Why openly coerce people when they are more than ready to be compliant,” says the bureaucrat, who admits “his enthusiasm for his quota may exceed even Modi's targets.”

“Tyranny is an art form. Have you watched the demolitions around the city? Modi erased 650 temples which were seen as illegal, civic or traffic obstructions. Despite all the publicity there was not an iota of protest, merely articulations of surprise.”

The panarchy of evil has shifted upscale from one organisation to a whole secretariat. It is now ready to roar into the capital city. His logic moves upscale, it is clear he is thinking of a megacity.

It is only as master of the megapolis that Modi will seek to become PM. Desire, growth, mobility within the framework of the city. The inventiveness of evil, outrages the power of goodness to understand or resist it.

We cling to bits like Ashis Nandy's classic piece on Modi as an exemplar fascist. But the pracharak has grown, reinvented himself. Even his misanthropy adds to his integrity as he distances his wife, brothers. An evil deodorised is now ready for the next move.

You don't just vote for Modi, you subscribe to him. The mask is an example. You become vociferous, miniature replications of him, as he watches benignly. It is a logic of power we are only beginning to understand, clinging to fragments of understanding as we, like Peanuts’ Linus blanket for a coming crisis.

We strive to distance him but demon-ologies are deceptive. Modi is us. We amplified ourselves to create him. The bureaucrat's response to Modi as a combination of fear and awe and a sneaky admiration, that is now an epidemic. As Modi moves to power, more people see in him, a message and a messiah of modern India. The trouble with fascism is that it is so seductive.


http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130922/n ... ?page=show


Chanakya is going to remove the thorny bushes by the very roots. Pouring sweet chhachh and honey in the hollows of roots for insects to eat whatever is left. :twisted:

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Postby Lalmohan » 21 May 2014 17:44

Supratik wrote:Calling badmash Sharif for oath-taking was a bad idea. We don't want a return of Vajpayee Congress.


the secret plan is to utaro his chaddi and fly it as jhanda on lal qila...

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Postby RajeshA » 21 May 2014 17:45

Right now is the AAP movement totally imploded, i.e. except in Punjab. All those who supported AAP are severely disappointed by the results and of course with the antics of their leaders who are being lampooned.

What everybody loves is of course success! And do not love are losers!

So in my view most AAPtards, AAP idealists and aam aadmis would be willing to support a different horse from the same stable - Kiran Bedi. Kiran Bedi can if she wants it cause a split in AAP, and make the Kejri fraction - Kejri, Salim, Ilmi, Sisodia, lose public support.

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Postby vivek.rao » 21 May 2014 18:11

Supratik wrote:Calling badmash Sharif for oath-taking was a bad idea. We don't want a return of Vajpayee Congress.


Reducing Pakis to Maldives level is intentional. Lets see if they accede or refuse. Modi is a strategist. As he bent Gujarat bureaucrats to his will, he wants to reduce Pakis to nothing. Lets see how he plays.

Why are you even comparing Modi to Vajpayee? What did he do till now that he deserves this comparison. Let Modi and Amit Shah play their cards.

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Postby Suraj » 21 May 2014 19:16

Thank you, Dhananjay and James B! Yes, that's the farticle. Ignore the whiny language and the insights are pretty interesting. Provides an insight into what he'll do from PMO to get the civii service to do his administrative bidding.

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Postby Atri » 21 May 2014 19:17

Delhi is glorified municipality, saars. Keep the Delhi police out of Delhi' govt's hands and let KB become CM.. It will ensure quite neighborhood around seat of power. rest of the development stuff will be taken care of by modi-sarkar. Delhi-CM position one of the most useless positions in India. On the flip-side, KB as CM will give lot of good PR for BJP and modi-sarkar.

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Postby negi » 21 May 2014 19:24

^ That is why Kejriwal wants it bad.

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Postby RajeshA » 21 May 2014 19:52

What Kejriwal is looking for is a platform from which he can challenge Narendra Modi as it is an extremely lucrative position with many people across the world willing to fund you.

There is an opening in Punjab. Should AAP form a govt there it can gradually increase the Punjabi alienation from Delhi. As foreign investors would see the potential for Khalistan 2.0, they would willingly finance AAP.

Similarly AAP by having a govt. in Delhi can cause a lot of friction with the Central Govt. on a variety of issues including powers over police. That would keep Kejriwal in the news as a rival to NaMo. So AAP does want Delhi badly for its strategy. Of course Kejriwal would not mind a bungalow here and there.

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Postby RajeshA » 21 May 2014 19:58

If Kejriwal loses Delhi, Punjab is its only fallback possibility but there is there also no guarantee they would be able to pull off there either.

To give Kejriwal a solid licking/whipping it is best if Kiran Bedi to put up against him. A loss in Delhi after a loss in Varanasi would finish off Kejriwal and AAP, especially with funds drying up.

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Postby RamaY » 21 May 2014 20:11

abhijitm wrote:Smriti Irani for delhi CM. I like the suggestion.


If it works I would like Smriti Irani as Delhi CM & Kiran Bedi as Delhi HM.

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Postby RamaY » 21 May 2014 20:14

RajeshA wrote:Right now is the AAP movement totally imploded, i.e. except in Punjab. All those who supported AAP are severely disappointed by the results and of course with the antics of their leaders who are being lampooned.

What everybody loves is of course success! And do not love are losers!

So in my view most AAPtards, AAP idealists and aam aadmis would be willing to support a different horse from the same stable - Kiran Bedi. Kiran Bedi can if she wants it cause a split in AAP, and make the Kejri fraction - Kejri, Salim, Ilmi, Sisodia, lose public support.


The Punjabi version of AAP is in fact the Khalistani sentiment morphing into political verdict. AAP is the best platform for this sentiment because of its anarchist approach & so-called self-right/rule pronunciations.

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Postby RajeshA » 21 May 2014 20:19

RamaY wrote:
abhijitm wrote:Smriti Irani for delhi CM. I like the suggestion.


If it works I would like Smriti Irani as Delhi CM & Kiran Bedi as Delhi HM.


Home Dept of Delhi is useless as police is under Union Govt.

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Postby RamaY » 21 May 2014 20:35

^ of course. The precondition is that the Delhi police will come under Delhi state govt.

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NitiCentral.com ‏@NitiCentral 1h

Return of Pandits to Kashmir, illegal immigrants on MHA list for Modi http://www.niticentral.com/2014/05/21/r ... 25884.html

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Postby member_27987 » 21 May 2014 21:13

RamaY wrote:^ of course. The precondition is that the Delhi police will come under Delhi state govt.


I think keeping Delhi police under central government purview helps the Union HMO to make security decisions in the capital - vital to the national security.

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Postby Chandragupta » 21 May 2014 21:20

RamaY wrote:^ of course. The precondition is that the Delhi police will come under Delhi state govt.



Cannot & should not unless we plan to shift the Capital somewhere else.

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Postby SanjayC » 21 May 2014 21:21

RamaY wrote:If it works I would like Smriti Irani as Delhi CM & Kiran Bedi as Delhi HM.


Lt. Governor, as representative of the central government, is the defacto Home Minister of Delhi -- police and land use are under him.

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Postby Supratik » 21 May 2014 21:56

EswarPrakash wrote:
RamaY wrote:^ of course. The precondition is that the Delhi police will come under Delhi state govt.


I think keeping Delhi police under central government purview helps the Union HMO to make security decisions in the capital - vital to the national security.


There can be two tier security in Delhi - one that is under Delhi govt and looks into local law and order and the other federal for security of national capital and VIPs.

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Postby member_27987 » 21 May 2014 23:48

Apologies if posted somewhere else, but this is good news. Clears action against CEC and other babus cowering under constitutional protection:

From here: http://www.niticentral.com/2014/05/09/r ... 21654.html

The most important factor that weighed in the mind of the Court was that the Single Directive, as embodied in Section 6-A of the DSPE Act, violated Article 14 of the Constitution and, therefore, could not be allowed to stay on the statutes. The readers will be aware that Article 14 is one of the bedrocks of the principle of Republicanism that our Constitution enshrines. What this Article provides is equality before law to every person and the equal protection of the laws “within the territory of India”. What the judgment basically says is that the Single Directive squarely trampled upon Article 14 because it treated some individuals as members of a privileged category, not subject to the same legal provisions that governed others. The charade of senior babus being the sole arbiters of whether one of their own tribe would be investigated or not (for presumed violation of anti-corruption laws) has come to an inglorious end.

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Postby Singha » 22 May 2014 07:36

http://www.assamtribune.com/scripts/det ... y2214/at06

in true congi style, Gogoi trying to weasel out of resigning. I want him to stay in charge actually until 2016 assembly elections, disgruntled MLAs might start deserting the ship.


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